Checking out the RTX 4070s at LAUNCH! v2 (P.S. AVOID THE MSI 4070 Ventus)

[@OTechnology]

Thanks to a viewer's comment I have been alerted of high VRM temperatures on the MSI RTX 4070 Ventus 3X. Upon further investigation, it seems like they have a design flaw where the heatsink does not cool the VRM phases on the top side of the PCB. AVOID THIS CARD! The MSI RTX 4070 Ventus 3X and the Ventus 2X are both (either OC or non OC) affected by this design flaw.

[@goldenphoenix5945]

Thanks for the update to your recommendations. I'll be returning my Ventus and waiting for your full buying guide analysis. I'm considering buying the "GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 4070 EAGLE OC", just haven't seen reviews on it yet. I'm hoping it doesn't have the direct touch heatpipes like you mentioned the GIGABYTE WINDFORCE OC has.

[@deivytrajan]

@@APOTATO2 it just shows how much research channel like this does lmao

[@M.K.Kurniasandy]

​@@goldenphoenix5945 in official page gigabyte, showing that eagle oc also has direct touch but with extra 1 more heatpipe than the windforce

[@goldenphoenix5945]

@@M.K.Kurniasandy Thanks for the info! :)

[@goldenphoenix5945]

How come you mention at 26m50 to 27m05 that an 8 pin can supply 400-500 watts yet when I look up "8 pin vs 12 pin gpu" they say: "8-pin cables and connectors are a standard, specified to carry up to 150W (hence why modern high end cards need two of them), while 12-pin is a proprietary NVIDIA thing that is specified to carry 500W (while 6-pin is specified for 75W, and the PCIe slot itself is also 75W)." You mean 3X8pins can supply up to 500 watts right? 3x150+75 (PCIE slot) = 525W

[@elialusenti4291]

this video makes no sance, why should i spend 100€ more to have 3 more fps and 2 less degree you should consider the cost difference before saying "don't buy". i live in italy and here the tuff or gaming trio cost 830€, the ventus and the WINDFORCE 3X are 630€. 200€ difference for 3 fps and 5 degree. they are the best buy by far unless you like burning money.

[@blameitaly1926]

Tu quale custom mi consigli di prendere

[@sed46]

Agreed. You should never buy the top line model unless it’s the flagship. The most expensive aib is sometimes more expensive than the cheapest of the next card up. No point in buying 4060ti strix instead of a ventus 4070.

[@bernardbb111]

Hi, I did tests with my PC and the Msi rtx 4070 ventus3 with a multifunction thermometer and the temperature recorded at the VRM does not exceed 80 ° C ... I used Occt, Witcher 3 (4K Ultra),FurMark, ....

[@valentinosgsxr]

Same as mine. Usually sits around 70c.

[@NoName-kv4ew]

The part with the temperature on the mosfet of the 4070 ventus is a complete nothingburger and exactly the reason why you shouldn't listen to random youtubers. The thoughtprocess this guy must have amuses me. "Hurpdidurp, I'm sure the engineeringteam just forgot to add cooling for the mosfets. I guess they designed it before their lunchbreak on a Mondaymorning and kinda forgot about it. With my superior insight I must warn everybody of this DESIGNFLAW! And to seem knowledgable I'll pull up this PDF sheet with SPECIFICATIONS!! CANCEL ZE ORDERS YOU FOOLS THE CARD WILL EXPLODE!!! Damn I'm so smart." Brother. The recommended operating temperature literally specified the part up to 125 degrees. Given the measured temperature under full load is a full 30 degrees below the upper range, this is at the very very very worst an extremely mild concern. Specifications and ratings are there for a reason and thouroughly tested. As long as you run in specifications it won't die. Just because 95° sounds a lot for you in the context of graphic chips and you fainting in the sauna, it doesn't mean it's inadequate for other parts. That's what specifications are for. So you can read. And not listen to your ape instincts and go uh 95°C hot, no cool no bueno. Sure cooler is "technically better" but cooling is just not needed at all. The only reason to cool these mosfets is just so clueless people like you don't spread misinformation.

[@beloaded3736]

Hahaha well said, was thinking the same.

[@OTechnology]

You sound like a Ventus buyer

[@outletandfork8849]

Bro bought the ventus

[@JynxedKoma]

You're the best, NoNameKv4ew. Made me laugh so much and you're so right!

[@eplugplay8409]

Just got the Gigabyte Windforce open box for $479.99. Sure its heat pipes are direct contact and it runs a tad bit cooler than the FE and same db level but I got it $120 cheaper! As long as it functions fine, don't really care. However the Ventus is the only model I would definitely avoid as those temperatures could cause failure.

[@SirNioH]

Hi! Sorry for my English, as this message was translated. I wanted to share with you my experience with a used graphics card, the 1070 Windforce, which I used for a while. I never had any problems with it and, in general, I have had very good experiences with Gigabyte products. Now I'm in the same situation as you, looking for inexpensive options with 3 fans. So far, I have seen the Ventus and the 4070 Windforce OC. From what I understood from the video, Gigabyte is clearly a better option?

[@vibr0314]

@@SirNioH MSI ventus are ok. This KZbinr over exaggerating. Go read about GPU temp, and did you see him holding a physical card and doing a true test and a temp test on the card? He just took it from some website to do his review...so do u believe him while he dont even have the physical card?

[@SirNioH]

@@vibr0314 is that TechPowerUp reviews are not a reliable source?

[@vibr0314]

@@SirNioH Even if TechPowerUp was reliable or not, he took it from that site for his review, which has no KZbin channel, and then he spoke on behalf of them. And again i have to ask u does he got the physical card. What makes you think he can really get the true result if he doesn't have the physical card in the first place? If you want a reliable source look for hardware unboxed; they did test all brands and models of the RTX 4070 series card.I'm not using the RTX4070 card yet, but his review is kind of BS all the way around. I'm looking for the right reviewer to give more detail on each RTX 4070 brand or model and got the physical card to test on until I found Hardware Unboxed for RTX 4070 cards review and finally get the full explanation to clear everything.up

[@Fxver]

Hi, what about the Gigabyte Eagle OC? It's the same coolerof the Windforce? The Gaming OC instead should be completely different, it's 30cm length and should be similar to 4070ti one, it's worth to invest 30€ plus between eagle and gaming oc?

[@pregorygeck6605]

I don't get you. So it's ok up to 100++ but we need drama at 90? Like I've never seen my Ventus 3x over 80 at junction. With MSI Afterburner GPU at 55 hotspot 66.

[@SLPAgaming99]

I have not seen Gigabyte AORUS 4070 on the list. How is it? Would love to know your thoughts on it. Does it perform as good as 4070ti version? Thank you for your answer.

[@MrDerp83]

My NZXT build just came in today, for those purist out there I do not trust myself to build a pc. Installing a CPU and wiring scares the hell out of me. Any who, the NZXT I went with was the Player 2 (I really wanted prime but I found out the 4070ti was not worth the upgrade, the CPU was though). I have the Ryzen 5 5600x and the PNY 4070. It is a huge upgrade for me as I had the 2060 super. My old PC ran hot but never complained. My old CPU was an i7 9700f, the Ryzen 5 5600x is not a huge upgrade there but it still is faster. The PNY 4070 has not went above 69c and on The Witcher 3 wild hunt I am getting over 100 fps on Ultra + settings @ 1440p. So after I spent my hard earned bucks I am not sure if the PNY is a bad card or a middle of the road card. I have not tested too many other games but so far I am very happy. Anyone else have a PNY 4070 experience?

[@LK-ne3pn]

how come the techpowerup review of ventus 3x didn't mention anything about high VRM temps? how do we know if other cards don't have similiar issues? how do we even know it is a problem?

[@peoplez129]

The reason for the bigger coolers is that after 70c+, the overclocking stability of these chips tend to drop drastically. Like with the 1080ti, if you run it at 84c, it won't reach near the same overclocks at lower voltages. The hotter it gets, the more voltage you need to reach a stable overclock. For example, if you wanted 1700mhz at 0.8v, you needed sub 70c temps. If you ran at 84c, you'd be lucky to get 1600mhz at 0.85v. With lower temps, the card could reach max voltage overclocks at undervolted levels, hitting 1900mhz at 0.9v, allowing the card to overclock and run cooler. So it's not so much about getting higher overclocks than others, it's about reaching the same max overclock at lower voltages, and thus having a cooler more stable card, and that undervolting will also increase longevity. One thing people don't realize about GPU's, is max clocking and max volting them does reduce their max clocks at a given voltage after a few years. My 1080ti does not overclock like it used to, even with undervolting. I used to be able to run 1800mhz at 0.85v all day. Now I can't even really touch 1800mhz without 0.9v. This is why used mining cards are soo bad, because even if they function, they definitely do lose overclocking capability with age because of voltage leak and voltage degradation, even when run below max voltage. All you can do at a certain point is lower the clocks and let the voltages creep up, until the card is soo out of spec that it basically needs more than max voltage to even run at all, at which point failure sets in. The future for graphic card longevity isn't components burning out, but rather, the bios not letting the card run anymore because the necessary voltage to run it gets higher than maximum. Once the card reaches this point, on startup the bios will see the voltage required to get things going is above maximum and just refuse to post, and that's how you end up with a "burned out" graphics card. It's technically still operational, it just won't let itself run. It's like a safety feature that measures the resistance, realizing that voltage over the years has atomically disintegrated the pathways enough that it takes too much voltage to post.

[@OTechnology]

Ofcourse I get that. Nvidia GPUs have always scaled with temperature since pascal. But they really don’t need to run that cool at stock settings if they’re sacrificing fan noise.

[@Frozoken]

Also past 50 or 60 degrees ull drop 15mhz of boost per degree no matter what. Nvidia gous are the only components that get faster the cooler they get automatically when they aren't thermal throttling

[@chriss6855]

Honestly you'd be fine if you already bought a MSI 4070 Ventus, or even plan to buy one, as those temperatures are from a stress test and not under conditions that you would likely ever see when playing games.

[@OTechnology]

Its going to be the same in games or stress tests. The GPU is hitting the 200W power limit regardless as long as there's a heavy enough load and games already hit that.

[@gratykun]

Mi getting 50 c

[@flack6686]

@@OTechnology I have this card, the 2x version, I've never see anything higher than 70 degrees, maybe is an isolated case. I don't think it means that the version of RTX 4070 should not be bought at all. It's just my personal opinion and my personal experience with this card and version of it.

[@KAL-589]

Any updates on the 7900XTX roundup video? 😊

[@froznfire9531]

What do you think about the Gigabyte Gaming OC?

[@colinh1209]

The MSI 4070 Ventus 3x oc now actually has a metal thermal pad at that spot now. I beleive they have found it and resovled the issue.

[@polihronalexandruAPoliTech]

Hmm I am stuck between ASUS GeForce RTX 4070 DUAL OC and INNO3D GeForce RTX™ 4070 TWIN X2 OC. Both are at the same price in my country. Any feedback? Thanks

[@JustAnotherYou2ber]

same

[@amirtak9886]

Hint: avoid all of them because they're overpriced

[@oneofkill]

This.

[@Thex-W.I.T.C.H.-xMaster]

​@@WhosWeaponized I'll keep using my out dated 3090 until it cuts off for the last time in another 5 years or so 🤷‍♂️. The 4070 is a waste of money if you really think about it.

[@SoulsFreakk]

It’s actually not

[@amirtak9886]

@@SoulsFreakk your pockets must be loaded

[@WhosWeaponized]

@@Thex-W.I.T.C.H.-xMaster for someone like you who has a 3090 it it, but for someone going from a 10 series or 16 series it's not

I came across your video while doing research on RTX4070. Thank you very much for doing such a work and sharing it with us, good job.

[@zYnCSGO]

i just love the fact that when ever i need a buyer guide for a gpu this guy always got my back 🤝🏼

[@y_zass]

My Gigabyte Gaming OC 4070 has a much larger heatsink than my Gigabyte Gaming OC 3080 12gb which is laughable being the 4070 is only 200w vs 360w on the 3080. It's not the same heatsink that's on their 4070ti either which is longer so it's not like they just carried it over from that. I wonder why they made it soo much bigger when it consumes soo much less power? I am happy with the card though, I was able to OC it by +235 / +1800 (Core/Memory) which equates to 2800mhz boost on the core and 1538mhz on the memory (reported by GPUz). Temps are ridiculously low.

[@johnelviste4]

how about the Zotac RTX 4070 Twin Edge OC 12GB GDDR6X? It is the cheapest one at our place right now. Planning to upgrade asap.

[@yagizyildirim8188]

If I put thermal pads between cooling block and vrams then problem would be solved? Btw If vrams can run at 150C why 95C is a problem?

[@raymondhachmishvili2483]

@@OTechnology wrong...its a mosfet not VRM, as someone above mentioned, stop trolling.

[@OTechnology]

@@raymondhachmishvili2483 First of all that's an integrated mosfet and driver called a power stage. It is part of the VRM lol.

[@parakek390]

i'm considering buying the msi 4070 ventus 2x because i need that specific size in my case. granted i plan to set a power limit from msi afterburner and also limit fan speed. i hate noisy fans and i always tweak both gpu and cpu. gaming at 1440p on a 3060ti with a 60% power limit (max 120w from 200w) still offers me stable 60fps in pretty demanding games like cyberpunk phantom liberty or rdr2 (no RT, reduced shadows and high reflections) the most insane example i can give is in mafia definitive. that game usually always ran at 190-200W for no apparent reason. with a capped 120W i still get 60 fps and still all maxed settings. i understand what this guy is saying and where he's coming from but i don't think there's any real danger in acquiring a msi ventus card even if u don't make any tweaks

[@parakek390]

apparently they released the E version which fixed the issue?

[@ashdoggo]

Already ordered a new rig with an msi 4070 ventus 2x and was pretty dumb enough not to look at reviews beforehand. But as long as the card runs then I am happy, I wouldn't know any better. If the size works for you then just get it. Unless it would hurt you financially, you can't truly believe it would be the wrong choice unless you experience the downs first-hand. Most of the hate is being spread by those who have never used one anyways. If it turns out to be a dud then return it and go for something 'better' like the asus variants everyone keeps recommending. Looking over comments on youtube and reddit, you'll find there are still tons of 2x/3x ventus owners happy with their purchase after months of using it.

[@BetinhoCiencia]

msi ventus is ok in TI model? or the same problem?

[@LNRivers]

it’s good.

[@pf100andahalf]

These "which gpu to buy" videos are awesome.

[@Lukas-yn4bw]

Is this cooling issue also on the Ventus 4070TI?

[@OTechnology]

No they have a cooling plate on the 4070Ti for the VRM.

[@CircusNormal]

Just bought the Gaming X Trio in a brand new workstation, glad I did now.

[@RoelvanderArk]

Nice video, you should also compare the power limits.... Some are 10% or higher, others are at 0% so no additional boost.

[@KellyWu04]

It's a 4070. Additional power limit doesn't do much for overclocking.

[@exonut2477]

Bro I'm waiting so bad on your RX 7900XTX guide. Your vids are very informative and I'm really really looking forward to what Radeon options really are the best.

[@OTechnology]

I'm working on it!

[@26DeislerFCB]

hope you have your own powre plant

[@Necks01]

@@26DeislerFCB Ever heard about undervolting ?

[@OlaffLudwig]

@@Necks01 Ever heard about efficiency (or lack there of, on the AMD part)?

[@Necks01]

​@@OlaffLudwig What efficiency ? Like the Nvidia rtx 3080 with 300-400 watt power consumption ? 😂😂😂

[@limanbudiono11]

Hi Owen, are you going to make a buying guide for the gtx 1660 too?

[@ayewhite333]

Asus Dual card is not bad, better VRMs and temps for the same price as the founders edition

[@OTechnology]

Yea definitely a good card

[@iROHxo]

which 4070 would you recommend?

[@anphetamina93]

What's your opinion on the Zotac Twin Edge?

[@saease]

im searching for this for days but i can find an any details pls help me which version should i buy

[@sônggôku-b6w]

Please make the video compare like other previous videos. I cant decide which card to buy :(( is windforce good?

[@YusufRadawi-fc8dw]

If you say that the Asus dual might have coilwhine why is it better than windforce who doesnt and why direct contact is worse also why call it crappy while the ventus model has a much bigger flaw and you still didn't call it crappy (maybe personal grudge and bias with gigabyte?)

[@OTechnology]

I literally said to avoid buying the msi ventus lmfao what do you mean

[@THeM2TRiX]

According to the techpowerup review, the MSI RTX 4070 Ventus 3X has plenty of cooling. Quote: "The main cooler also provides cooling for the memory chips and VRM circuitry."

[@freedomfighter8109]

How about Zotac 4070 x3 trinity?

[@kralexprofill4571]

I can't decide which one to buy. Except for the Palic dual OC they're all priced pretty harsh where I live. Theres up to 15% difference in price and the Palit one is 609€

[@deivytrajan]

Asus rtx 40 cards have a lot of issues with coil whine. I would say bad coil whine easily overpowers good gpu cooling…and it’s really annoying

[@umbles7007]

Yeah, I was going to go with ASUS until I saw a few comments on it. The Dual so far for the 4070 from what I've seen

[@suchy3586]

@@umbles7007 Got the dual and have no coil whine

[@umbles7007]

@@suchy3586 Must have been a one off thing for that guy then. Thank you for the input

[@YoureBreathtaking]

@@umbles7007 I got the asus dual one, in 1 particular game I played (vhs the game), at 1440p maxed, the coil whine is very loud (not sure if it's coil whine or gpu fan, it sounds like old HDD drive turning), at 1080p it's unnoticeable. On other games 1440p maxed, the coil whine is unnoticable, unless you put your ear near the card or you have all your case fans turned off.

[@AwesomeAxolotlt]

My Dual's coil whine is louder than fans at max speed. Unlucky, will return it.

[@dantebn7491]

hey great vid, could u make a vid where u compare all amd rx 6950xt or 6900xt's i saw you didnt make a lot of amd campare vids and i would like to know wich ones are the best

[@valentinosgsxr]

@O!Technology Hi, I put my trust in MSI and bought the Ventus 2x without properly research about it. Now it's too late to return it thought and started to plan on how to fix it. For a few weeks I was daily monitoring the temperatures in various different spots and most carefully around the VRMs. I pushed the card to its limits with afterburner and never measured temperatures more than 78C on components and 82C on HWiNFO64 sensors. Still, I feel like being scammed and I wish there is a way to modify the card in order to make it somehow decent. It would be great if you could try fix this card and give some advice as how can be done, if can be done. Thanks for all the good advices you give in your channel. Appreciated a lot.

[@OTechnology]

Did you measure with temperature probes or a FLIR camera on the VRM power stages? The only way you can fix it somewhat is using some stick on heatsinks with thermal putty.

[@valentinosgsxr]

@@OTechnology I was measuring with an IR thermometer from the front and the top of the card while I was stress testing it. Higher temperatures measured at the inductors. Controllers are getting cooled since they are attached to the cooler with thermal pads. My first though was the heatsink idea but I reject it because they wouldn't make contact with the cooler and because the correct sizes would be impossible to be found. I am thinking now, if I attach copper plates at the fins of the cooler, right over the inductors and the capacitors and then pack everything together with thermal pads? I would have had a set up similar to what all the decent coolers are having. What do you think?

[@Andytlp]

@@valentinosgsxr So how did it go?

[@valentinosgsxr]

I didn't do it. I decided it to leave it alone because I could never verify the high temperatures measured with my card. What I did was, to undervolted my card, it took it like a champ! I m running 2730Mzh at 0.975 Volt curve and custom fan curve at MSI Afterburner and it stays cool as any other card. I also gave an extra 100rpm to the lower fan at the front of my case and I m gaming 45-50C with 20C ambient. Sure enough the card is fantastic for one more reason. Because of the direction of the fins, it pushes some of the heat straight out at the back of the case so benefits my CPU cooling as well. I am relaxed now and enjoy gaming that's what I did. @@Andytlp

[@valentinosgsxr]

Basically all it really needs is to set more aggressive fan curve to the fans because the default curve from MSI is very oriented to silent operation.

[@djsnowpdx]

Ooo, I really appreciate this kind of meta-analysis! Of particular interest to me is cooling system acoustics (with temperatures within reason) and coil whine, and you did covered these topics extensively. I kind of love the ASUS DUAL card, and so I really appreciate knowing before I buy either that is has been found to have more coil whine than the reference PCB. Here's a secret for you coil whine haters out there. The universal end-user solution to lowering coil whine is to lower power or clock targets. I never buy my graphics card for maximum performance because quiet operation is my #1 goal, and I've always been comfortable lowering power targets or clock targets to both allow super-slow fan spin and to reduce coil whine under most scenarios. Unlike undervolting, there's no risk to stability, but there will always be a performance impact. I happily throw away 10-20% performance in order to make it so I can't hear the cards fans or PCB, nor feel the heat coming from it. That's why the RTX 4070 is of any interest to me at all -- the one thing it has over every other card in its class right now -- efficiency!

[@LammySammy]

Mark which of these cards would you get to accomplish this? How does one lower the power or clock targets of a card by about 10%?

[@OTechnology]

The RTX 4070 being the lowest TDP Ada card at 200W naturally runs more efficiently for sure.

[@djsnowpdx]

@@LammySammy MSI afterburner! The same tool you’d use to overclock. I have an AMD GPU, so the clock target is displayed in MHz, and I drop my card from the default of 2560-ish down to 2300. If you pick a negative percentage offset, or a number of MHz lower than the default value, you’re not compromising stability because if the card can run stock it can also run at an underclock you set under the same settings. I suggest you do more research about overclocking before trying this for yourself.

[@moatazali933]

What about the rtx 4070 auros master ? is it a good or a bad option to buy

[@Iwetbeds]

@@djsnowpdx At these prices taking a 10-20% performance hit is a non-solution, it's better to keep returning cards until the manufacturers take this problem more seriously.

[@Roland_Deschain]

what about zotac and inno3d brands?

[@edmonddantes7259]

Well, what about ZOTAC? Cards looks insane, rly want to buy it

[@realkoly]

Same

[@erraldstyler]

the Trinity has the lowest coil whine of the bunch, thermals and fan noise at FE level (minimal better) according to PCGH (german hardware magazine) also 5 yeas warranty, im favoring the AMP Airo actually

[@1Jack22]

What about Gigabyte RTX 4070 GAMING?

[@Plutonas]

I want your opinion about this model by Palit GeForce RTX 4070 GamingPro OC. You do rate it in your other video, but there is no review, or pictures of the pcb anywhere. It is rated 16W more than jetstream though. The reason I insist in palit is the power consumption, low noise and low temps. I am between Jetstream and gamingPRO oc version, but no reviews what so ever...

[@Ready2Game]

Hi! And if the choice is only between Palit dual and Gigabyte windforce?😑

[@SirNioH]

Hi! Sorry for my English, as this message was translated. I wanted to share with you my experience with a used graphics card, the 1070 Windforce, which I used for a while. I never had any problems with it and, in general, I have had very good experiences with Gigabyte products. Now I'm in the same situation as you, looking for inexpensive options with 3 fans. So far, I have seen the Ventus and the 4070 Windforce OC. From what I understood from the video, Gigabyte is clearly a better option?

[@slooomy95]

Hi there I almost see all your recommendations unique Chanel indeed Iam planing to get 4070 Arous master Any good!?

[@narutonagato95]

im currently using RTX 3070 Ti, and 650W psu , 4070 low power make me want to upgrade instead 3080. should i upgrade or wait for 50 series

[@AdaaDK]

How did the 4070TI ventus X3 do in the same reviews/hot-spot tests ? i have a friend who has that card, so i would love to know if this is a general ventus card issue, esp considering my own 3060Ti ventus x2 oc died after only about 2 years of gaming usage(lucky enogh within RMA period).

[@Frozoken]

What temps was ur 3060 ti running at? My 3060ti xc is running relatively hot seeing it's pretty small and is oced but as far as im aware mine is generally hot while the ventus had critically high hotspots right? Wait yeah mine definitely isn't as bad, even under full load at 220w in the Australian summer mine would only get to the high 70's at the very most. Apparently the ventus is commonly in the low 80's stock? Either way it concerned me enough to get premium front fans where it's getting to like only 72C max now while the gpu fans are running 1000rpm slower.

[@ShibaTheKnight]

Thank you so much, your video was really helpful, I got the Asus Dual

[@danishbashir4184]

Can you include colorful brand? I am currently doing masters in China and here the price of this brand is cheap. I need to know what model of colorful is the best from colorful.... There is another video from you about 4070ti..... Can I take that as a reference for 4070 too? (Like all the models from colorful available for 4070ti will be available for 4070 too right or not?)

[@michaldybis5297]

what about GIGABYTE RTX 4070 Eagle OC , is it any good?

[@KobeLoverTatum]

Can you please do a buying guide on the 7900 XTX?

[@OTechnology]

Still working on it.

[@cottonbear2777]

@@OTechnology XT too please.

[@MikiSlicky]

is the zotac twin edge oc 4070 good?

[@freedomfighter8109]

Just ordered Ventus, after yournfirst video Man. I return it now.

[@raymondhachmishvili2483]

don't ....it's a mosfet that is designed to work well even at 120c.... just enjoy it

[@freedomfighter8109]

@@raymondhachmishvili2483 im afraid of longevity now cause of high temperatures ... 🙉 on other hand Gigabyte Gaming OC instead of Windforce. Which would you choose?

[@raymondhachmishvili2483]

@@freedomfighter8109 I would stay with MSI or Asus

[@nitrogenius]

@@raymondhachmishvili2483 you wouldnt keep any hardware inside your case that such hot around 95-100 celsius.

[@born_to_play]

How about the other Gigabyte models?

[@bobisadrummer]

I noticed MSI has a new version of the 4070 Ventus X3 with an E in the name. It weights slightly more, I wonder if they did something to address the vrm hotspot.

[@OTechnology]

The cooler does look like it has some kind of addition near the VRM area but not sure what it does until someone buys one and takes it apart.

[@ThePauch1]

I have the RTX 4070 Asus Dual OC - Great card!

[@NostalgicMem0ries]

it coil whine an issue?

[@lkz]

What does the 'quiet' mode toggle (hardware switch) do on the Dual *OC*?

[@javi9545]

The Gigabyte RTX 4070 Windforce is more smaller then the other triple fan cards (27x13 cm) same measures as doble fan cards .maybe this is the cause of not performing on cooling same as other triple fan cards like Jetstream that is (33x13 cm) ? the size is a notable diference .

[@OTechnology]

Its not even really any better than the FE. And its triple slot! Just makes no sense.

[@abdulazizabdulaziz6304]

@@OTechnology do you think the gigabyte windforce or asus dual is better ? since these are the cards most common everywhere

[@benburak77]

what do you think about Inno3D RTX 4070 Twin x2 OC 12GB ? as good as Asus 4070 dual ?

[@telefonunuckra]

Will there be a video as a diagram? I usually pay attention to that schema when recommending a GPU.

[@marvz67]

I just returned the 4070 msi ventus 3x due to extreme coil whine and after finding out about the VRM issues. I can get the 4070 gigabyte gaming oc for €667( 20 more than I bought the msi ventus for) and according to some forums, gigabyte gaming is in general better odds of having less/no coil whine. But I also see a sale this week: from €909 --> €819 for the gigabyte 4070 ti windforce. Do you guys think this is worth the extra €€ and the fact that it is windforce not gaming oc?

[@bangtao6593]

Isn't it recurrent with MSI ? I remember that they used bad VRM on some rtx3070 (and 3080 ?) as well... Should we avoid this brand from now ?

[@arctu75]

100° is well lower than the recommended and max operating temperature of the MOSFETs according to their datasheet. The MSI Ventus is fine, you don't have to slap thermal pads on every component of a low power card.

[@OTechnology]

When the other cards have VRMs below 70C then close to 100C is pretty bad.

[@arctu75]

@@OTechnology As long as it is within spec, why does it matter? it isn't going to influence the lifetime or voltage stability in any meaningful way. Also, this isn't a "VRM". Its a MOSFET with integrated gate driver, so just a part of the VRM. More or less just a switch that a controller can open or close really fast. Voltage stability is job of that controller and not the MOSFET.

[@toby160]

​@@arctu75 I'd rather have one that does cool it that one that doesnt tho

[@fabitosan]

It's not, remember that the constant fluctuation between hot and cold when turned off will cause the component and surrounding materials to have thermal exhaustion sooner than a dissipated MOSFET, this GPU will last many years less than a better dissipated one

[@ChristianRaps]

Just checked, and I bought the Ventus. Does this mean it won’t work or will just run a little hot? It sounds like it’s not a deadly flaw, just a sloppy mistake that won’t hurt functionality.

[@SametChan]

Just return and buy another brand. MSi ventus is make noise and hot issue.

[@OTechnology]

If you can return I would return and get another. These aren't out of stock everywhere anymore. It's not a fatal flaw but would you rather have your VRM run at 95C+ or one that runs sub 70C like the other cards.

[@ChristianRaps]

@@OTechnology Will this make the card run louder or slower? Returning could be an issue due to my schedule. I’ve used the card for a few things, and it was dead silent and worked MUCH better than my previous 1070

[@raymondhachmishvili2483]

@@SametChan just enjoy it....I would take MSI "with design flaw" over most other brands, asus aside.. I strongly believe is not a flaw, it's a low power card, and MSI knows what they are doing.

[@ij6708]

​@@raymondhachmishvili2483 MSI is not your friend. Don't go blindly trusting a brand universally, most make equally good and bad products

[@lucasfutol7822]

I have a question, is the 4070 MSI gaming X trio is good ?

[@26DeislerFCB]

of course elite card

[@OTechnology]

Yes its a good card.

[@Varish14]

Hey could you make a vid on rtx 4060ti

[@Armistice7034]

I have the Gigabyte rtx 4070 windforce OC 12gb and I am getting really good performance and temperatures. Is it really one to avoid? Seems decent in my rig.

[@RealK20]

I just ordered one myself and after watching this I'm really worried. But if you're not noticing any problems with temperatures, then I feel a lot better

[@SirJohnsonP]

I am planning to get aero oc model since they are adding diablo key, but weird it wasnt mentioned in the video. Not sure how it performs

[@justanobody4983]

I dont know man. A friend loaned me his pc because his on vacation for a month. It does not get more than 70 temp for 2-3 hours of gaming. Its maxed out at 90+ % useage.

[@TheFloofyPoofy]

Im quite sad to see these kind of reports. I was looking to get a 4070 Windforce, but apparently its a bad design. And the PNY 4070s arent available in my country. Looks like Ill be skipping this generation.

[@DrMacabr3]

I have the windforce and its really good imo. Very quiet, cool, no other review is complaining about the heatsink.

[@johanax9867]

Do not listen to this guy. I have no idea where this information comes from, but look at reviews and guru3d's review of the card, the overall performance is amazing.

[@nitrogenius]

in techspot review you dont need to compare values one by one. Just open the next page which is cooler performance comparison

[@raimo45]

@O!Technology what about Gigabyte RTX 4070 Aero OC?? Its quietest and coolest gpu what i have seen

[@jol3co1]

can you make 4060Ti more basic video about different brands and models. cant decide which one is best and not overpriced same time. for example Palit Dual, Ventus 2 fans black and Zotac Twin Edge are same prices but dont have idea which one have better cooler etc.

[@radio11]

hey @O!Technology ! is your all compare methods, parameters,criterions, causes about overclock? or Does it also apply to those who do not prefer overclocking?

[@simp00hnumberwang]

Thanks, i am looking into upgrading towards 4070 after good amount of usage on my 1070ti. Your video helps a lot,thanks for sharing your knowledge on most of the electronics. Subscribed, for the best in depth orthodox breakdown vs the other sugarcoating youtubers.

[@MakeSh00t]

waisted money 3070ti outperform 4070 in many games. 4070 is good only in cyberpunk that is it because of FG

[@orion9k]

Whats the top 3 cards for 4070 ti SUPER?

[@morgan3625]

is the coil whine with asus tuf oc 4070 bad?

[@eMillion100]

I just bought an AORUS 4070 ti master, since my mobo is AORUS too, should be a nice upgrade from 1660 ti

[@marcvp21]

Have you looked into the Inno3d 4070 x3 OC yet?

[@laith_ah2021]

Can i buy rtx 4070 super dual have any problem ??

[@Clotenno1]

This Video is a god send for me. I really strugle to find the right 4070 custom designe card for myself. Thanks to this video of yours i have decided to buy the pny card. :-)

[@ice-313]

Is it true that Gigabyte uses sleeve bearing fans for their card? If so, what is the best value triple fan card to buy?

[@OTechnology]

Based on my experience when gigabyte fans dies I think sleeve bearing fans are what they use yes.

[@yagamilight3447]

i got the asus dual one so do i need a support stand for it cuz its seems heavy

[@AstroAvenger]

That model was actually going for $590-$593, shady stuff making it cheaper than all others while having this problem.

[@OTechnology]

Design to cook its VRM

[@ulkoilme]

Recommendations with out testing them your self is like Ventus x Vram cooling... Especially not even having them in your hands.

[@pietrmuffei8874]

Leakers in a nutshell

[@lkz]

Ventus VRM: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eYXKqpesfKlqg6c

[@Y2JYash]

33:28 look at the memory temps too, galax has some of the best memory temps too and you're only comparing gpu temps

[@hvip4]

I was looking at the WINDFORCE. Seems like I will have to look other way. GEFORCE GAMING seems solid, with no direct touch heatpipe, I reckon that the cooling should not be an issue, however I haven't been able to find the power limit and PCB component data yet.

[@VINZEZ]

I was going for it too. Well what did you get I'm curious?

[@hua..]

The windforce is fine, the 4070 is a very efficient card that runs cool by default. Paying a premium for slightly superior VRM cooling is such a huge meme, especially for a god damn 200W card. You might as well save a bit more and get the "entry level" 4070ti or something lol

[@Murkzin]

the x2 ventus is bad compared to the others?

[@samueldiaz9084]

If you dont need to upgrade (you bought a RTX 30xx recently), you are better skipping the 40xx series.

[@dier2tte]

40 series is more for people like me with a GTX 1070 who really need to upgrade.

[@Spr1ggan87]

If you bought a 3070 or 3060Ti you still need to upgrade, 8Gb of VRAM is useless for 2023.

[@NostalgicMem0ries]

who the fuck upgrades each gen.... ppl with gtx 900 gtx 1000 series upgrading this gen, and you come with last gen gpus to ask about upgrading? :D lul

[@CanIHasThisName]

@@Spr1ggan87 Not true.

[@Spr1ggan87]

@@CanIHasThisName Copium

[@leonardovita7935]

how about gigabyte ealge? has the same problems of gigabyta windforce ?

[@tacticalcenter8658]

My rtx40 series guide is dont buy any unless its way reduced in price. They are all over priced.

[@tacticalcenter8658]

@@user-wq9mw2xz3j dont be brainwashed

[@26DeislerFCB]

@@tacticalcenter8658 europe the prices of amd higher in germany the 6800xt is 609; 6950 is 730€ i play 144p and dlss is way superior and mostly better than native to i have no choice but nivida

[@OTechnology]

That's just how these new cards are priced. If people are still buying it that means its not overpriced. We vote with our wallet and unfortunately it seems this is acceptable now.

[@tacticalcenter8658]

@@OTechnology people and KZbin influencers need to be better at saying dont buy unless prices go lower. Stop falling for the high prices. You guys are all at fault for it. They are over priced. Ignorance is buying them which is making these companies get away with over charging. Stop it.

[@filippetrovic845]

@@tacticalcenter8658 If you dont value them that much then give up complaining.

[@Anatoliy_Sokolov]

What about 4070 ventus 2x ? Can't find its review anywhere

[@jadadpe3873]

Could you do a video on which AMD RX 6950xt models are best? Ik its last gen but prices of it are close to the 4070 or lower so its interesting.

[@hamzaelyesagencalp995]

What do you think about asus tuf gaming rtx 4070 12gb

[@haelfinn953]

Do you know why custom PCB have more whine coil than others ? How can i see the difference between custom PCB and Nvidia PCB ? Thanks a lot for your video ! There a lot of great informations i didn't find anywhere.

[@OTechnology]

I don't know why exactly but I would guess their choice of chokes are just louder than the reference-based cards chokes. The reference Nvidia PCB are the ones that looks similar to the Palit RTX 4070 cards. It's not made by Nvidia so they don't all look the same but it follows the Nvidia reference specification closely.

[@rokocz]

Damn I just bought custom build with MSI Ventus... maybe there will be posiibility to change it. Good thing is, that some other testers tested it with lower heatspot temperatures.

[@OTechnology]

Its not the hotspot temperatures. Its the VRM that sits on the top edge of the PCB that's uncooled and gets really hot.

[@rokocz]

@@OTechnology right, I understand, that card is no-go if you care about long life of the card. Now I have no idea what to pick, I have these options from lowest price to highest - Gigabyte Eagle, Gigabyte Aero, Gigabyte Gaming, Inno3D ICHill X, Palit GamingPro, MSI GAMING X TRIO. Its hard to tell. Which would you pick as the coolest/most powerful?

[@SegaSaturn94]

@@rokocz 04\24 on same website : "Hi, I did tests with my PC and the Msi rtx 4070 ventus3 with a multifunction thermometer and the temperature recorded at the VRM does not exceed 80 ° C ... I used Occt, Witcher 3 (4K Ultra),FurMark, ...."

[@amineBoucherit]

Im seeing the ghost at 550$ and the closest other card is a zotac twin edge oc that is 15$ more expensive is it worth it to just get the ghost?

[@ВиталийПарамонов-ы2ф]

I was thinking about gigabyte eagle, but it looks like the 4070 eagle is the same windforce, they have the same size and 8 pin power, probably not worth buying. And I am confused by the small size of the video card, other vendors make it big

[@TheDannyplaysTV]

they are not the same, the eagle one has 4 heatpipes, the windoforce one has only 3. So the eagle has better cooling overall

[@theonlyjeppe]

@@TheDannyplaysTV i'm wondering if i should get the 4070 asus dual fan OC or the 4070 triple fan eagle OC. What do you think?

[@TheDannyplaysTV]

@@theonlyjeppe go for the eagle

[@theonlyjeppe]

@@TheDannyplaysTV alright thank you very much for answering

[@Kambel89]

​@@TheDannyplaysTVCan you help me too? MSI 4070ti gaming x trio or gigabyte 4070ti gaming oc