Chelsea, Villa, Everton: PSR deadline transfers

The 30th June is important to Premier League clubs as it is the deadline for fixing PSR (Profit and Sustainability) issues.
One way to sort PSR issues is through transfers. So a few days before the deadline, there is a flurry of transfer activity.
Adam Leventhal is joined by David Ornstein, Liam Twomey, and Peter Rutzler to discuss what transfer activity Chelsea, Everton, Newcastle and more could be doing.
00:00:00 Intro
00:00:19 Michael Olise to Bayern Munich
00:05:43 Chelsea fans' attitude to transfers
00:07:50 Does Enzo Maresca have a say in transfers?
00:09:43 Tosin Adarabioyo and Estevao Willian
00:12:29 Jonathan David & transfer news
00:16:15 What is the PSR deadline?
00:17:14 Why are academy players transferring?
00:20:31 Calvert Lewin & Everton transfer news
00:24:25 Aston Villa transfer news
00:28:15 Outro
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[@supervillan326]

Irogbunem being sold for £9M isn’t questionable at all. He’s been successful on loans and played for Villa’s first team a number of times. Archer was sold for twice that value with similar experience and talent. Villa paid £8M for Rogers and he came from the Championship with only a dozen games under his belt. Chukwemeka was sold for £20M only 18mths ago and he had no more talent or experience than Kellyman, so why is that £19M price tag raising questions now? Maatsen has just played in a Champions League final so again, the money isn’t unreasonable. The timing is to meet PSR but the prices aren’t inflated.

[@gimmibox]

I think if Aston Villa bought Massten for Kellyman + 18.5mil, no one would talk about it. What the clubs did currently have the appearance of (I'm not accusing any party involved) exploiting an accounting loop hole.

[@colmlawlor7]

Football has been fucked up by the rich, we're all losing 💩

[@supervillan326]

@@gimmibox I don’t believe that’s correct. My understanding of the Luiz deal is that Juve are giving Villa Iling Jr, Barrenechea + £25M. From an accounting perspective, Villa still show the Luiz sale as being worth £50M on the books, even though the cash element will only be £25M and Juve will still be able to show £25M on the books for the sale of Iling Jr and Barrenechea. Not sure why Maatsen and Kellyman are being done as two transactions, but I don’t believe there is any accounting advantage in relation to meeting the PSR rules.

[@gimmibox]

@@supervillan326 Didn't you just show how it works? In reality Villa receives 25mil but on their accounts they can put down 50mil Edit: I've also just remembered "amortization". I'm not an expert on it but from what I understand is that Luiz's 50mil can be put down in one, but the 25mil spent on Iling Jr and Barrenechea can be spread out across their contract.

[@Davies2710]

Carney made 16 apps for the first team compared to Kellyman’s 2, Rogers played 32 games before leaving Middlesbrough, before coming to Villa. The Dobbin price is dodgey and the Kellyman price is crazy. And Archer was sold for decent money one year and bought back the next for roughly the same price.

[@mortatv5913]

Why would Everton not looking to sell DCL when 1 year left on contract and not looking to put pen to paper on new contract Mr. Ornstein?

[@rjwg47]

Are teams in PSR trouble not supposed to try solve the problem then? If you think Ireogbunam, Kellyman and Dobbin are unknown players, just admit as a football journalist that you dont bother watching those teams. Athletic is becoming the sun with a thesaurus

[@moeTLD]

Chelsea just signed my son without my consent... absolutely outrageous 😡😡😡

[@JamesHussain82]

He's awful

[@honestopinions3504]

Your son is a baller fr, not an inflated fee

[@jackb5640]

Did you know Jack Harrison has returned from Leeds for another spell?

[@raymond3918]

🤣

[@Adam-vn8kv]

United fans was holding onto ornstein words about everton needing to sell he literally just said he hasn't a clue 😂

[@AintNoWaye]

🤣🤣🤣

[@AintNoWaye]

I’m starting to believe the Red Cartel nonsense lmao Pool and Arsenal fans mad that teams are legally trading players

[@AintNoWaye]

Apparently Arsenal themselves want to go to the League about this?😂😂

[@MindSurf248]

​@AintNoWaye Adter voting against raising the financial cap inline with inflation. No mystery what Arsenal's agenda is.

[@lilbaz8073]

Paratici, agnelli etc... got 30 month bans for it. Juve got deducted points and banned from europe.

[@AintNoWaye]

@@MindSurf248 Yup the only like when its at their advantage, nasty nasty club

[@kevintimmins312]

Everton will need a replacement for onana, Tim will be in the senior team

[@missing_score]

and don't forget, andre gomes left too. everton are in desperate need of central midfielders.

[@antonio_curtis]

Jack Harrison, who has returned to Leeds for another spell. Jack Harrison, who has returned *from* Leeds to - Jack Harrison who has returned from Leeds for another spell.

[@Sutty0151]

The rule’s ain’t fit for purpose so should be exploited and efc don’t have psr issues we needed 6M by the 30th we got 10M for dobbin happy days UTFT

[@honestopinions3504]

If a rule can be exploited to your advantage then you’d be a fool not to, integrity is just an ambition sabotage tactic

[@missing_score]

in rutzler's example, he mentions that villa were looking for depth on the wing, and dobbin could provide that. what he neglected to add, though, is that tim iroegbunam is desperately needed at everton--we've already lost andre gomes, and are likely to lose amadou onana. and we were already light in that position to begin with! that's not to say that the "mutually beneficial" aspect wasn't a motivating factor in the deal--of course it was. it would be preposterous to suggest otherwise. however, the claims of inflated prices are wide of the mark. and a little bit of research shows that. let's compare a recent example of an (effectively) like-for-like transfer: tim iroegbunam vs james garner. both were loaned to the championship from a premier league parent club, similar age, similar role, both england youth internationals, both cost us £9m. now, i'll admit that garner had three full seasons in the championship, whereas, iroegbunam only had the one. but it shouldn't seem like artificially inflated prices unless you're looking for artificially inflated prices. and garner isn't the only example of youth prospects going for around the 8-10m mark. we sold tom cannon to leicester for about that much. additionally, i think it's important to shed the concept of "buying" and "selling" players. because, that isn't what's happening at all. what's actually happening is that one club is paying another club to release a player from their contract. and somebody might think it's pedantic to make that distinction, but it's important when it comes to how we conceptualise a player's cash "worth". because a player on the books is not a tangible asset, the contract is where the value is. so, the amount a selling clubs decides upon accepting in order to release a player from a contract is much more complex than "how talented is this player" because it's just a case of how much a club feels like they want to be compensated for releasing a player. and it's always been that way. clubs aren't asking to be compensated what they project they'll lose (financially speaking) when a player leaves, which would be a "fair" price, right? i.e. a "good faith" price to release a player from a contract. clubs consistently examine the situation and work to get the most they can. when liverpool sold coutinho to barca, and it's easy to say with hindsight, but we all knew barca were paying "over the odds" not because liverpool were going to be needed to be compensated the amount coutinho could've earned for the LFC business... barca had to pay so much because LFC are a wealthy club. it had nothing to do with a "good faith" value based on prospective earnings lost due to a cancelled contract. so, all that considered, i'm not sure why there's so much pearl clutching over the dobbin/iroegbunam transfer. when clubs do business, there probably should be a feeling on both sides that the deal is mutually beneficial. to me that seems much more moralistic than examples of transfers that aren't mutually beneficial because one club is using their grotesque wealth to strongarm another, i.e. united over branthwaite. or, going back 20 years, when united paid a paltry £30m for rooney! is it me that's crazy... or the whole world? surely it's obvious where the wrongdoing is... a handful of "glamorous" clubs having their way with every other club in world football is honestly nauseating.

[@rolandtb3]

Definitely, craftily skirting PSR deadline requirements. If it can be disguised as player/club improvements to hedge valuations, so be it. But you plan to pay Barcelona 3x their player valuation but pay Villa 17x their player valuation. At the same time low balling Chalobah's valuation to £25 mil but really worth £35-45 mil. So the transparency issues are: fair market valuations, timing of the deals relative to Jun 30, academy (club pure profit) or club owned sale, years remaining on player contract, market conditions (Osimhen - £100 mil down to £90 mil), the clubs making deals all have PSR issues. No club wants to start the season with points deducted, fines, penalties or other.

[@peteward6301]

So Liverpool and Chelsea can sportswash through the Saudi’s by selling off their old players on massive wages for huge amounts at the end of last season to meet PSR but if other clubs get creative then that’s underhanded???

[@thestoo8328]

Chelsea sold two players, Mendy and Koulibaly. You can't class that as sports washing. The Saudis could cover their wages, and good wages. Considering their age a Saudi move made sense for them. That's a ridiculous claim. And before you come back with the obvious response, Kante was a free transfer.

[@amlmorris]

Aston Villa/Chelsea/Everton haven't broken any rules, they're just clearly working with the FFP/PSR regulations in order to better their squads & obviously the 100% profit on academy players means it works out financially better for these clubs & as a fan i'd expect nothing less than my clubs recruitment team doing whats best for the football club i love/support. All this nonsense with conspiracy theorys is just that absolute nonsense & when the guy on this podcast suggested that usually these transfers wouldn't have taken place is pure & utter garbage,every type of business in all sectors work around the rules in place with the aim to better said business overall, don't try too say that this is the case only in the football world,cos enough shit has already been said, written & published pointing the finger at certain clubs that are working within said rules for a positive financial outcome. ⚽💩👎

[@lilbaz8073]

Juve argued the same. Still got docked points, banned from europe and paratici etc... got 30 month bans.

[@aaronoman8962]

If you close your eyes, you’re listening to a Southgate press conference when Liam talks

[@SaMacky2023]

A lot of people are worried about Chelsea's spending, we might be back baby!

[@GuitarJammerJohn]

I don’t get the issue with it though it’s just doing smart business it’s completely legal they all know they need to sell so they sell to each other. Also a team like United are in no position to complain about overpaying for players this is a team who spent over 80 million each on Maguire and Antony they have never been worth that. Grealish who Villa sold for 100 million was never worth 100 million but if a team is willing to pay it they are. When you look at the prices they aren’t exactly ridiculous in today’s market Tim Irogbenheum 9 million for a talented youngster is a reasonable price Kellyman for 20 is perhaps a little expensive but it’s not completely out of the realms of possibility. Maatsen is going for a little bit more than his release clause which is pretty normal. The reality is teams like United who had everything go their way for years don’t like it when other teams are actually allowed to compete with them.

[@Lioness_UTV]

From a Villa POV the faux outrage ìs ridiculous. We sold Carnie for 20m two years ago and last season Archer to Sheffield for 18m and other young players for less than that. So the point is???

[@hueynewtonn9972]

David and Yoro are Lille players***

[@peterd6585]

Seems to me people have no problem with clubs bashing money on young players as long as there from a foreign country with a funky name

[@hanwenyap]

A large front man? If only Chelsea had Lukaku, I wonder what happened to the guy

[@Maxpefc8]

I think selling a hotel to yourself for over 65mil and trying to sell your own training ground to yourself is a lot more suspicious than selling young academy graduates in positions that both clubs need

[@peteward6301]

Did Chelsea not just sell off some of their estate to get around PSR then?? I suppose it’s all just coincidence then.

[@rob776]

The outrage is utter crap. I remember no such nonsense when Liverpool sold Fabinho and Henderson for massive amounts, Wolves sold Neves for a huge fee, etc. Nobody wanted to cry about inflated fees then.

[@tendaiamos]

You selective outrage selects very specific examples that have nothing to do with the specific topic at hand...might as well chuck in the Chinese premiere league deals as an example😂

[@AintNoWaye]

Liverpool and Arsenal were the original cheaters, especially the Bank of England club their fans are hypocrites

[@rob776]

@@tendaiamos, I'm not outraged, you dope. There's no point being outraged by current football, it's utterly corrupt.

[@MindSurf248]

​@tendaiamos Where was the moral high ground when clubs voted against the financial cap tracking inflation? Quite clearly the other clubs are just out to pursue their own agenda.

[@BigPurp9]

Except people were outraged with clubs (some who even had direct links) being able to use Saudis to beat PSR. You just must have been in a coma at the time

[@maino2148]

£30m for Calvert-Lewin. I don’t know how you can’t have this as a statement for money laundering.

[@JamesHussain82]

Your opinion on a players value is irrelevant. You dont have the knowledge needed.

[@deangreen2567]

@@JamesHussain82And yet, if I click your profile right now, I can see various comments of you offering your equally irrelevant opinion.

[@johnrussell8120]

Clearly these “journalists” do not have a clue about the “other” 14 premier league clubs. They hate clubs doing clever business and speak some absolute shite.

[@thomasperkins8228]

This Chelsea reporter out of his depth funny what bias does to you

[@stut9190]

Everton witch hunt is very, very boring now. Are people completely forgetting Saudi sorting the “top 6” clubs PSR problems out for the next three years in one window.

[@AintNoWaye]

Never taking BankofEngland Arsenal fans serious on integrity of the game + Chelsea didn’t need anything they sold hotels to pass PSR already

[@QuentinKarentino]

No one batted an eye to any of our sales until we finished 4th. Do people really think Grealish was fairly valued? 😂 Carney? these are players we didn't want to let go and people paid anyway, so why's it suddenly an issue?

[@summitismkarma7703]

Up the villa

[@michaelcoudray4624]

Absolute state of these 3 clubs. 🤢🤢

[@tomwestwood]

Yeah sorry we’ll just accept a points deduction next time

[@OzyMandias13]

Someone tell Orney he's got s**t on the front of his hat.

[@colmlawlor7]

The Premier league is 💩

[@iRoppa]

Everton wanting 37 million for DCL…he’s worth 15 million, 20 MAX! Absolute clowns.

[@crayontom9687]

Football is as bent as a nine Bob note