Chess Principles? Anyone?? || Stockfish vs Leela Chess Zero || TCEC Superfinal (S15) Game 61

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@SaikanthDacha
@SaikanthDacha 5 жыл бұрын
No NicePhotos™ of Stockfish and Leela from this game?
@fabian4735
@fabian4735 5 жыл бұрын
Not even a grischuk foto....
@GoodDay2Smoke
@GoodDay2Smoke 5 жыл бұрын
Niki Riga on vacation...
@shamank
@shamank 5 жыл бұрын
Just an old illustration we did for an AI article we were worked on in the past (that hedgehog is our company's pet) nimb.ws/KqBhNT
@bardhizenelaj5057
@bardhizenelaj5057 5 жыл бұрын
Hahahahahahahhahahahahahaha
@kingofchase2539
@kingofchase2539 5 жыл бұрын
@@shamank hahahahaha
@ultrainstinctshaggy669
@ultrainstinctshaggy669 5 жыл бұрын
It's satisfying that these engines are just ignoring open principles. Kinda like how I play my games. This give me motivation to continue
@curtisw0234
@curtisw0234 5 жыл бұрын
Good players understand chess principles. Better players know the exceptions
@skridalthcrevasse2388
@skridalthcrevasse2388 5 жыл бұрын
Speaking of principles, WHY NOT, at 16:25, capture the rook with the pawn? As an amateur, that move seems more logical in my perspective. Any elite players here to enlighten me on this matter?
@smaklilu90
@smaklilu90 5 жыл бұрын
My car runs faster than any athlete in the world. It doesn't go to gym do crazy exercises. Makes perfect sense.
@tamzidrafi6963
@tamzidrafi6963 5 жыл бұрын
@Jigov well that escalated quickly
@LucaBl
@LucaBl 5 жыл бұрын
Skridalth Crevasse black‘s queen is in a better position than white, so white wants to trade queens.
@JamesBrown-zp9xe
@JamesBrown-zp9xe 5 жыл бұрын
you forgot to mention the evaluation difference almost throughout the whole match. usually, while the engines have slightly varying opinions of a position they roughly agree on who is better. however, in this game, leela saw an advantage way before stockfish. stockfish thought it was slightly better out of the opening with a +0.8 eval. leela though indicated a large advantage for black after 18.Qd2 which she thought was a blunder. after this, the evals started to drift apart with leela being more certain of a win each move while stockfish was more or less clueless and thought the position was better for white or equal until 20 moves after when it conceeded it was worse and shortly after that, losing. this is the first time i have ever seen stockfish being outplayed by such a large margin. it really goes to highlight leelas superior positional understanding in a spectacular way. a year ago, no one would have ever thought this was possible. definately the best game of the superfinal so far and perhaps the beginning of a new era in computer chess.
@cinegraphics
@cinegraphics 4 жыл бұрын
A woman always knows when a man blunders a lot before he understands what's going on.
@redalien75
@redalien75 4 жыл бұрын
@@cinegraphics bruh
@vanessaingenhoff4343
@vanessaingenhoff4343 4 жыл бұрын
Out analysis didn't see 18. Qd3 as a big blunder.. The worst was 64. Be2 (following the match winning move 64...Rxc3), but match was lost already.
@EssDubz
@EssDubz 4 жыл бұрын
@@vanessaingenhoff4343 what if stockfish captured with the pawn instead of the queen and rejected the queen trade?
@Aromatic-ring
@Aromatic-ring 4 жыл бұрын
A computer can’t be a “she”
@young_dan_kee
@young_dan_kee 5 жыл бұрын
“This B2 pawn is protected like, well like a very important pawn” - Agadmator 😂
@jacksonhadden
@jacksonhadden 5 жыл бұрын
I knew I wasn't the first to appreciate such a great line
@jcheroske
@jcheroske 5 жыл бұрын
Best line in the vid
@young_dan_kee
@young_dan_kee 5 жыл бұрын
His commentary is priceless
@zublimed
@zublimed 5 жыл бұрын
VIP
@YAHOOISNOTG
@YAHOOISNOTG 5 жыл бұрын
I think an ellipsis after "like" is more accurate than a comma lol
@cr0mag732
@cr0mag732 5 жыл бұрын
This is the most alien top level chess game I've ever seen
@leonardorhodes675
@leonardorhodes675 5 жыл бұрын
yea I literally just have 0 zero clue what is even happening it's like not even chess.
@mayank080193
@mayank080193 4 жыл бұрын
Watch "the perfect game" on his channel.
@gabydewilde
@gabydewilde 3 жыл бұрын
its others games are worse.
@GardenHood
@GardenHood 3 жыл бұрын
Crazy. Was all defensive and wait to see who bit first
@benjaminfischer6022
@benjaminfischer6022 2 жыл бұрын
Alpha Zero games are truly alien man. Alpha does shit no human would ever think of
@oscaro.172
@oscaro.172 5 жыл бұрын
What a CRAZY game. My brain has been fried.
@skridalthcrevasse2388
@skridalthcrevasse2388 5 жыл бұрын
I'll use your top-comment as a platform to ask this: WHY NOT, at 16:25, capture the rook with the pawn? As an amateur, that move seems more logical in my perspective. Any elite players here to enlighten me on this matter?
@oscaro.172
@oscaro.172 5 жыл бұрын
@@skridalthcrevasse2388 black will capture on e4 regardless, but the black queen is much more active. I think it makes sense to trade
@0bada905
@0bada905 4 жыл бұрын
Play anti fried Iiver defence... maybe it'll help
@PhantomAyz
@PhantomAyz 3 жыл бұрын
@@0bada905 lmao
@santanubanerjee490
@santanubanerjee490 5 жыл бұрын
Copied from Reddit:: Leela's eval went from 0.1 to -1.2 in one move, and stockfish's eval didn't go negative until 15 moves later (move 18 vs move 33) Leela also won game 62 which started from the same opening book position but with leela playing as white. Both games were 82 moves and both lasted for 4 hours and 25 minutes After game 62, Leela is now 5 points ahead with 10 wins, 5 losses, and 47 draws Leela's live Elo rating is now almost 100 points higher than stockfish's rating (3635 vs 3541)
@brianteskey2425
@brianteskey2425 5 жыл бұрын
Leelas elo in reality is much higher than that of sf because those Elos don’t take into account the opening aspects of chess. If they both played from move one sf would never win a game
@openclassics
@openclassics 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the interesting infos! By the way: unbelievable, that both engines are rating the same position different...
@Astrobay13
@Astrobay13 5 жыл бұрын
@@openclassics That's because Leela isn't an engine
@santanubanerjee490
@santanubanerjee490 5 жыл бұрын
@scpDgJ it depends since they must have preagreed on the CPU/GPU specs for both Leela & Stockfish to perform, else if you use too many CPU's maybe Stockfish might have the upper hand because it can use more hash memory..
@ramking7869
@ramking7869 5 жыл бұрын
@@Astrobay13 leela zero is an engine, it is an engine modelled after alphago zero's preliminary protocols
@timbuckthe2nd642
@timbuckthe2nd642 5 жыл бұрын
im a simple man, i see agadmator post neural network chess, i instantly like
@Samuel-cu9vo
@Samuel-cu9vo 5 жыл бұрын
After reading your comment I noticed I had done the same, without even knowing myself
@michaeldistance891
@michaeldistance891 5 жыл бұрын
Agad: look at this bad boy here Me: so what’s the idea here
@skridalthcrevasse2388
@skridalthcrevasse2388 5 жыл бұрын
Apart from that, WHY NOT, at 16:25, capture the rook with the pawn? As an amateur, that move seems more logical in my perspective. Any elite players here to enlighten me on this matter?
@myboy9630
@myboy9630 5 жыл бұрын
@@skridalthcrevasse2388 What's your plan first? You should have a plan if your gonna sac a piece.
@carloscoolkid6067
@carloscoolkid6067 5 жыл бұрын
Im also an amateur but white probably wanted to make sure to exchange queens because white had two rooks.
@RobBM93
@RobBM93 5 жыл бұрын
@@skridalthcrevasse2388 At the end it's the same. After pawn takes rook on C3, queen takes pawn on e4 allow exchanges with white queen. If white queen re-capture on e4, knight takes queen and pieces are on the same position than in the video.
@smalford7778
@smalford7778 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you agad, I love the computer vs computer analyses
@patrickchiasson6704
@patrickchiasson6704 5 жыл бұрын
Francophone? :)
@azmanmatamin9020
@azmanmatamin9020 5 жыл бұрын
It's reverse of things . Computer vs computer and human the one who analyze it
@adamhedley8924
@adamhedley8924 4 жыл бұрын
Morphy will beat these scrubs anytime
@ahmedwaheed3153
@ahmedwaheed3153 5 жыл бұрын
Only in engine games Agadmator can’t say that this move shouldn’t have been played or would have been better to do that move
@BodhiGeraci
@BodhiGeraci 5 жыл бұрын
ofc
@aa01blue38
@aa01blue38 3 жыл бұрын
there aren't any crazy engine lines either because the line played is the crazy engine line
@chrisbrindas1559
@chrisbrindas1559 3 жыл бұрын
@@aa01blue38 stockfish labelled this loss as a crazy engine line
@funny-video-YouTube-channel
@funny-video-YouTube-channel 3 жыл бұрын
The Ai did play much better than any of the human players as of now. The young human players are learning from the Ai and will start to play in the similar style as we already see with Dubov. In the end chess will be more fun and interesting.
@FlourescentPotato
@FlourescentPotato 3 жыл бұрын
mm not really, humans are still human.
@katieava2956
@katieava2956 3 жыл бұрын
It won't, it'll just turn into calculations
@peterisawesomeplease
@peterisawesomeplease 3 жыл бұрын
@@katieava2956 "just turn into calculations" our brains are as far as we know are "just calculators" but calculators and calulations are the most interesting objects in the universe. Computer programs and hardware happen to be better at chess than humans but that does not make understanding the problem space of chess uninteresting. In fact studying things that computers are better at humans at may lead to better ways for humans to think or ways for humans and computers to use their respective advantages collaboratively. Chess has lots of problems. I don't think if we were starting from scratch anyone would choose the current mechanics for chess we have today(there are hundreds of chess like variants and chess like games attempting to do better). But these issues are not due to computer dominance. If anything computer chess has helped to suggest variants of chess that would be more interesting for humans to explore.
@ColdSleep
@ColdSleep 3 жыл бұрын
If this kind of chess is the future, it's the opposite of fun and interesting. This was a very tedious game after the opening, as Antonio himself pointed out, it's a "slow maneuvering game".
@Jinx-iw6zb
@Jinx-iw6zb 3 жыл бұрын
@@ColdSleep future of chess might not necessarily be slow maneuvering games. For all we know a new engine could come in like alpha zero did and change everything up. Future of chess will remain uncertain until chess is solved.
@Sasha1234575
@Sasha1234575 5 жыл бұрын
Agadmator: "They agree, that Leela will win." Stockfish: "Wait, wait.. wtf. Leela is mate in 83 moves...."
@Rakkaus37212
@Rakkaus37212 3 жыл бұрын
i ruined the 123 likes, it's now 124 likes
@cynical5062
@cynical5062 3 жыл бұрын
@@Rakkaus37212 I ruined the 124. It's now 125.
@Mahfireballs
@Mahfireballs 3 жыл бұрын
@@cynical5062 I would say that's definitely an improvement.
@cynical5062
@cynical5062 3 жыл бұрын
@@Mahfireballs Apparently someone ruined my 125 and made it 142.
@Mahfireballs
@Mahfireballs 3 жыл бұрын
@@cynical5062 euhhhhh "It definitely was not me..." But shame that guy, he ruined it for real. XD
@arunsathyamurthy8332
@arunsathyamurthy8332 5 жыл бұрын
I am the admin of TCEC, thanks for the video, just to clarify engines don't resign, we have a cut off rule of +-10 for 5 moves from both engines and the game is adjudicated
@arunsathyamurthy8332
@arunsathyamurthy8332 5 жыл бұрын
Also link to game is cd.tcecbeta.club/archive.html?season=15&div=sf&game=61
@anononomous
@anononomous 5 жыл бұрын
I think that agadmator is basically saying that treating this as a _normal_ game for the purposes of of analysis and narrative, Stockfish makes a de-facto resignation.
@fabiandelgadoregal9676
@fabiandelgadoregal9676 5 жыл бұрын
... and I guess is more romantic to the public than the cold technical adjudication, wouldn’t you agree?
@greenman9123
@greenman9123 4 жыл бұрын
Fuck off steve jobs
@Chris.Massimino
@Chris.Massimino 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I bet your fun at the bar or library.
@robertsnochowski6924
@robertsnochowski6924 5 жыл бұрын
Dog: lying peacefully for 15 minutes straight Me: Wait, that's illegal
@kusy2130
@kusy2130 5 жыл бұрын
He moved on words: "and finally.." lmao
@hokpakh3
@hokpakh3 5 жыл бұрын
He's done a surgery
@jx14aby
@jx14aby 5 жыл бұрын
@@kusy2130 He was bored out of his mind.
@Dazzwidd
@Dazzwidd 5 жыл бұрын
Dog is illegal?
@dannygjk
@dannygjk 5 жыл бұрын
The dog had one too many beers.
@robert8984
@robert8984 5 жыл бұрын
I love the fact that Alpha Zero and Leela play very different. Leela cares way more about material and reaching dominating positions, while Alpha really goes hard into activity > material. We saw so many games where Alpha sacreficed pawn after pawn and one or two minor pieces to get a deadly attack, while Lee has alot of games where she (?) creates a chaotic position in the opening and then strategicly outplays the opponent in the midgame.
@lipat97
@lipat97 5 жыл бұрын
Is Leela also a deep learning engine? Is that why they are both Zero? Are there games between Leela and Alpha?
@robert8984
@robert8984 5 жыл бұрын
@@lipat97 Yes. No, its because Leela is based on Googles AlphaGo. No.
@lipat97
@lipat97 5 жыл бұрын
Norbert Hasenschläger ahh so Leela is the same type of engine by a different team. I wonder why it plays so differently from AlphaGo then
@dannygjk
@dannygjk 5 жыл бұрын
Actually Leela plays a lot like Alpha Zero making positional sacs so deep that even Stockfish can't calculate clearly OTB who is better.
@Pintkonan
@Pintkonan 5 жыл бұрын
to learn a lot, leela still has, if competing to alpha zero will become a goal one day. A0 would rape her little NN ass, especially given the amount of training that A0 received and the amount of training leela has to this point. just imagine A0 was given more then a couple of days of training.
@W4rfire
@W4rfire 5 жыл бұрын
Just unbelievable how it can be best to retreat so many times. Or to move your king 5 imes without being forced to. Insane
@DirtyPoul
@DirtyPoul 3 жыл бұрын
It probably isn't the best move, but good because it avoids being forced to move at a much later point while giving up material or tempo in the process. It seems to me that non-critical king moves like that are often played by engines when the positions are locked in place and tempo doesn't matter much.
@Subject18
@Subject18 3 жыл бұрын
@@DirtyPoul not the best move by which definition? These two engines have the closest approximations to best move that there is, and ofc they only play the moves they think are best
@DirtyPoul
@DirtyPoul 3 жыл бұрын
@@Subject18 By the literal definition of the word. You'd have to solve the game to find it though, so it's not happening any time soon, if ever. The fact that these engines best each other shows that it's not optimal play. It's getting closer and closer, but there is still room for improvement. I wonder what the practical limit to elo would be? Is optimal play further away from Stockfish and Lc0 than those engines are from the best human players? Or is it closer? How good is optimal play really? I think it's fascinating to consider.
@thecakeredux
@thecakeredux 3 жыл бұрын
The king moves are what shows me how little I understand compared to an engine the most. With other pieces you can see ideas, but sudden inexplicable king moves just scream "I'm already 15 moves ahead" in your face.
@alephnull4044
@alephnull4044 5 жыл бұрын
I mean this just looks like both engines being silly and having too much fun. Chess engines are so advanced nowadays that they've actually acquired a sense of humour.
@AJ-et6rx
@AJ-et6rx 5 жыл бұрын
Give Stockfish a break. He is not himself since his loss to Alfa Zero. He just needs time. Some home preparation with engines. And that's all. . . Oops.
@kapteinrdskjegg5285
@kapteinrdskjegg5285 5 жыл бұрын
Heia Norge!!! Torsk er digg
@FifaTikiTakaFan
@FifaTikiTakaFan 5 жыл бұрын
@Peter Mortensen As this joke relies on the humification of stockfish, calling it "it" would not work in this case. And as Leela is a "she", it doesnt seem that unfair to call him "he".
@motazal-hyari692
@motazal-hyari692 5 жыл бұрын
@Peter Mortensen TRIGGERED
@openclassics
@openclassics 5 жыл бұрын
😂 You are not yourself if you are hungry!
@louis8213
@louis8213 5 жыл бұрын
Cheeky Laurel 😂 that was funny
@Shuaibmohd
@Shuaibmohd 5 жыл бұрын
This is too much for my brain.. That exchange sacrifice was insanely good.. Wow...
@jandom9008
@jandom9008 5 жыл бұрын
Exchange sacrifice
@rodrigoalvarado9524
@rodrigoalvarado9524 5 жыл бұрын
@@jandom9008 ?
@philipcools7121
@philipcools7121 5 жыл бұрын
9:10 "Black would never really capture here". Sounds like you've never seen me play :D
@FruitOfTheSpirit
@FruitOfTheSpirit 5 жыл бұрын
It would indeed be interesting to see the rematch with Lela as white, particularly if we get a comparison of where their opening lines deviate. Thanks for the insightful videos.
@ahmedshomer4562
@ahmedshomer4562 5 жыл бұрын
Chris I stockfish deviated with black with e6 instead of leela's d6 and leela won that game too
@JB-yg3ew
@JB-yg3ew 5 жыл бұрын
Rematch #suggestion
@uwupaksa8451
@uwupaksa8451 5 жыл бұрын
#suggestion
@anirudhabrv1
@anirudhabrv1 5 жыл бұрын
To those of you who read the description: You are an excellent subscriber! :)
@fleecemaster
@fleecemaster 5 жыл бұрын
@@ilteronatkorkmaz5346 Just Google "TCEC"
@callusmaximums
@callusmaximums 5 жыл бұрын
I don’t think people appreciate how much work goes into this! Just look how much time is put into the description to these videos! They have helped my game no end. I must watch at least 2 videos a day of these games and analysis Thanks a lot keep it up
@dub-jscrub-j2762
@dub-jscrub-j2762 4 жыл бұрын
5:19 leela attempts to fry stockfish's circuits
@Safwan.Hossain
@Safwan.Hossain 3 жыл бұрын
mine as well. Wtf was that insane pawn structure from both sides
@hughtube5154
@hughtube5154 5 жыл бұрын
Glad that the pieces weren't developed because it meant I was able to watch some hard core pawns.
@qadqad_k7896
@qadqad_k7896 5 жыл бұрын
if you said it out loud, your comment sounded wrong.
@jp4431
@jp4431 4 жыл бұрын
@@qadqad_k7896 that's the idea.
@lagrandenation7750
@lagrandenation7750 4 жыл бұрын
What about a fork? And maybe some nasty discoveries or pins in the opening?
@Larspltx
@Larspltx 5 жыл бұрын
The reverse game is great as well, would be nice to see it. Afaik the first time the fish has been fried both ways in the TCEC SF.
@liviupaunescu1700
@liviupaunescu1700 5 жыл бұрын
Afaik the first time Leela beat the fish with black
@Einyen
@Einyen 5 жыл бұрын
@@liviupaunescu1700 Definitely first time in TCEC Superfinal or DivisionP with long time controls. She might have won with black before vs SF in CCC on shorter time controls, and she just did again today in CCC8 bonus match: chess . com / ccc
@dannygjk
@dannygjk 4 жыл бұрын
@@liviupaunescu1700 ?? I would be surprised to see that is true. iirc they both beat each other as black more than once, (unless you mean just that match).
@stephenhockley
@stephenhockley 4 жыл бұрын
This was amazing. It's like they are both speaking an advanced language, watching them play! It's a language I don't understand but it's nice to hear :P
@stevesoldchannel
@stevesoldchannel 5 жыл бұрын
the way leela defended those pawns against the rook with her knights and then maneuvered them forward at the same time..smooth like buttah!
@18Me10
@18Me10 5 жыл бұрын
isnt it amazing to see the 3 pawns from 5:25 all moved forward by one square by 17:30?
@amieres
@amieres 5 жыл бұрын
It's incredible
@mikaelhoghede5072
@mikaelhoghede5072 5 жыл бұрын
Isn't there an exploitable symmetry because of the possibility to choose first pawn move between 1 and 2 steps with regard to time? Did Leela find this and exploit it.
@yukin2344
@yukin2344 5 жыл бұрын
wow
@FreedumbHS
@FreedumbHS 5 жыл бұрын
This is like chess from an alternate dimension
@adamhedley8924
@adamhedley8924 4 жыл бұрын
it is, its from the universe where hillary won and it was the last game before ww3 and korea won and took over the entire world and chess was banned
@nitinvadher4599
@nitinvadher4599 4 жыл бұрын
"look at this bad boy here" words you were never expecting in a chess video
@susankhadka279
@susankhadka279 5 жыл бұрын
Hi there, I love your videos. I always watch it before sleeping. When I wake up, it is still playing.
@joak244
@joak244 5 жыл бұрын
YES!! I saw the post on /r/reddit and kept refreshing youtube expecting you or someone else to analyse it, thank you for the video!!
@californium-2526
@californium-2526 4 жыл бұрын
r/reddit?
@peterkoinzell7983
@peterkoinzell7983 5 жыл бұрын
"Complete madness on the board." freaking right! what an awesome sight!
@alexandrubragari1537
@alexandrubragari1537 4 жыл бұрын
That got me, lol
@adkxudsca
@adkxudsca 5 жыл бұрын
I almost never comment on youtube, but damn!! This game is an absolute beauty
@dankwarmouse6248
@dankwarmouse6248 5 жыл бұрын
What a wonderful game. I love the seemingly reckless and aggressive play that engine games contain. So exciting to see positions that seem like they'd be unsound if a human had them but work through the precision of engine calculation. Would anyone be willing to transcribe this game into Russian? My grandfather was a chess master in the USSR and doesn't speak English well but I'd love to show him this game.
@problematic7993
@problematic7993 5 жыл бұрын
I suggest you get a bilingual family member to do it.
@apoclipsful
@apoclipsful 5 жыл бұрын
Just show it to him, I mean, chess is a language
@dankwarmouse6248
@dankwarmouse6248 5 жыл бұрын
@Nospotic This is true but it would be less confusing to tell when Agad is showing a variation as opposed to what happened. Really I'd just love if community closed captioning was on the channel in general though
@nabildanial00
@nabildanial00 5 жыл бұрын
@@dankwarmouse6248 Here is the pgn of the game cd.tcecbeta.club/archive.html?season=15&div=sf&game=61
@AndersonNeo12
@AndersonNeo12 5 жыл бұрын
This B2 pawn is protected like Fort Nox
@KM-fl5jq
@KM-fl5jq 5 жыл бұрын
-"You capture!" -"No, You 1st!"
@DjVortex-w
@DjVortex-w 5 жыл бұрын
I think one of the differences between human and engine play is that engines sometimes (even oftentimes) enter a situation of "shuffling", like happened here towards the endgame. I think this kind of playing more rarely happens in human games. It might be that humans are more impatient and don't have as much patience and want the game to advance, and to attack the opponent, rather than slowly grinding the position a fraction of an inch at a time towards a better position. Of course engines don't have this kind of impatience and will do however many moves are necessary, even if it's a hundred of them.
@davevanlaren2501
@davevanlaren2501 4 жыл бұрын
You sound clueless
@mgm.al3mry
@mgm.al3mry 4 жыл бұрын
You have a really good point there 👍🏻
@elreylagarto63
@elreylagarto63 5 жыл бұрын
“And it was in this position that Stockfish resigned the game”
@v44n7
@v44n7 3 жыл бұрын
probably not in any official tournament
@JosephMelia
@JosephMelia 5 жыл бұрын
Probably my favorite chess channel on youtube, My game is very weak,but I greatly enjoy your breakdowns...
@kieran1990able
@kieran1990able 4 жыл бұрын
In recent TCEC, Stockfish finished above LCzero, that means Stockfish versions has been updated, they made massive improvement.
@TonyBurrusX
@TonyBurrusX 5 жыл бұрын
Just got to 1687 a lot in part thanks to your channel, going for 1700 soon. Keep making these videos man, this game was insane 🙌🏾
@arasvardanyan3708
@arasvardanyan3708 5 жыл бұрын
U mean 1687 fide?
@dany.8503
@dany.8503 5 жыл бұрын
Leela creates her own Chess Principle, Amazing!
@mclaughlinja1995
@mclaughlinja1995 4 жыл бұрын
17:07 One of many places where the natural human move differs from the engine move. Stockfish doesn’t bother defending the c3 pawn and Leela doesn’t bother capturing it, even though Nxc3 also simultaneously attacks the a4 and d5 pawns, only one of which can be defended. Alien” is the word that comes to mind.
@ammaryaseen509
@ammaryaseen509 5 жыл бұрын
8:49 vsauce theme intensifies
@Radjehuty
@Radjehuty 5 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad you decided to cover this epic game. It really marks an end of an era...or a beginning of a new one? This whole SuFi has been so crazy to follow. This game in particular though....wow. She won both sides of it. Almost unthinkable.
@amrassaf6557
@amrassaf6557 5 жыл бұрын
16:30 "And when Stockfish captured on c3 leela brought her tongue out" and stockfish was like wtf did I do Magnus!!
@mikemcculty2933
@mikemcculty2933 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you Agadmator, I appreciate your selective approach to AI coverage. Games like this one show AI's selection of a sacrifice for a position is superior to the old fashioned pure calculation engine that has a points-based score card of Q=9, R=5, B/N=3, P=1 has reached maximum maturity and cannot grow further. The future of computer chess is 100% AI. What's more amazing is how Stockfish doesn't slowly evaluate losing it's advantage it thinks its superior until the second it no longer is superior and it can't say it was imprecise, made a mistake or blundered, it's like air slowingly seeping from a tire. until the structure of the rubber starts flapping you don't even know you were doomed hours before when a nail went through the wall.
@markbajtay5629
@markbajtay5629 5 жыл бұрын
13:05 "VIP" very important pawn hahaha
@katieava2956
@katieava2956 3 жыл бұрын
Underated
@lecobra418
@lecobra418 5 жыл бұрын
A nice illustration of how two knights can sometimes fuck up a whole defense when used wisely. Also, this game was played like pure military strategy, pawns acting like troops to put pressure on hot points, risking their lives on the line while being reinforced without noticing it by pieces. Ultimately pieces came into play, sacrificing themselves to make a breach in the white pawns defense allowing for the wall of black pawns to move on aggressively conquering land and the last remains of white pieces.
@denisskobalj7555
@denisskobalj7555 5 жыл бұрын
"Check out 7:37" QG6 check, then mate with QG8? what am I missing...
@TRock8181
@TRock8181 5 жыл бұрын
I don’t even play chess, but I watch all of your videos. I really like the way you show all the different outcomes that can happen. Keep it up!
@mrrobot790
@mrrobot790 5 жыл бұрын
Wow todays quote is really deep, i love it!
@varmmanelangkovan3206
@varmmanelangkovan3206 2 жыл бұрын
☆3:46☆ That could be a needed wasting move to lose tempo that L3ela Zer0 saw 3 hundred steps ahead analysing 3 hundred thousand winnable positions simultaneously and learnt that Qd1 is the most accurate and strongest move among the other 3 diagonal dark squares for the Queen, out of the 3 million combinations of total outcomes she calculated in 3 seconds...
@acarrizo82
@acarrizo82 5 жыл бұрын
#suggestion Leela Trompovsky with white pieces!!!
@darkrayaccel
@darkrayaccel 5 жыл бұрын
I just love to watch the engines going at each others throats. I love how some moves dont make any sense till 30 turns ahead...
@dawn21stcentury
@dawn21stcentury 5 жыл бұрын
'Against an opponent like Leila, Stockfish isn't interested in this'... 🤔
@Firas.
@Firas. 5 жыл бұрын
What an excellent game this was, I always enjoy your coverage in those supercomputer games! I'm hoping you cover more as your analysis definitely eases the understanding of such a complex and inhuman match
@SirEmoSushi
@SirEmoSushi 5 жыл бұрын
"this b2 pawn is protected like.... well, like a very important pawn." lmfao
@supimjoe
@supimjoe 5 жыл бұрын
Unreal. These engine games always leave me in complete awe. Just amazing chess.
@terrytartu
@terrytartu 5 жыл бұрын
For me this game was mystifyingly brilliant!
@baddogkelevra1
@baddogkelevra1 5 жыл бұрын
This is like watching a completely different game. I’m no master by any means, but I can almost always follow along with any human games and understand the theory while discovering a few moves myself. This however, is like two aliens playing. It’s so interesting how different these computer lines are. Definitely gives me little hope in humans winning the AI wars to come.
@anananas9871
@anananas9871 5 жыл бұрын
We need a Grischuk saga!!!!
@pietroluppi1440
@pietroluppi1440 5 жыл бұрын
This was awesome, thanks for your analysis Agad! 🙏🏻
@matthaeus7762
@matthaeus7762 5 жыл бұрын
This an extremely weird game, they’re like that one beginner who only pushes pawns yet you can’t break them down and beat them somehow
@Dante20321
@Dante20321 5 жыл бұрын
Matthaeus maybe beginners are AlphaZero and Leela hmmm?
@matthaeus7762
@matthaeus7762 5 жыл бұрын
Dante202 hmmmm
@alexandrubragari1537
@alexandrubragari1537 4 жыл бұрын
@glyn hodges cause psycology students are not smart at all lol
@tai_af
@tai_af 5 жыл бұрын
been waiting at least one tcec game and now we have it, thank u dude
@immersionmusic
@immersionmusic 5 жыл бұрын
"Keeping everything in check on the king side" - Agadmator 2020
@bartveeken4957
@bartveeken4957 5 жыл бұрын
I always love your analysis. These computer vs. computer games are stunning.
@ahmedwaheed3153
@ahmedwaheed3153 5 жыл бұрын
Right now Leela is spanking Stockfish with a 5 game lead and 33 games to go, already it is up by more than double it lost by in their last match encounter, talk about revenge
@NoEgg4u
@NoEgg4u 5 жыл бұрын
@5:20 "This is a complete madness." "Just crazy calculating all the captures."
@alexandrubragari1537
@alexandrubragari1537 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@ChessQuizToday
@ChessQuizToday 5 жыл бұрын
After playing thousands of game with Lc0 (RTX 2080 ti) Vs. Stockfish (2950x). It has been clear for sometime that Lc0 will win TCEC (S15). Many of the weaknesses of Lc0 shown in (TCEC S14) have been corrected. Stockfish can no longer competed effectively against Lc0.
@marsupial2024
@marsupial2024 5 жыл бұрын
Wrong
@ChessQuizToday
@ChessQuizToday 5 жыл бұрын
@@marsupial2024 Have you posted the test games showing how Stockfish is better then Lc0? Or are you just a stockfish fan boy. Many of my test showing Lc0 has surpassed Stockfish are posted online for all to see. Where is your data?
@higherlevel28
@higherlevel28 4 жыл бұрын
Favorite part, listening to Agadmator say “Wowwww” @11:45
@jkvsu
@jkvsu 5 жыл бұрын
I wanna see leela vs alphazero
@younesstriker2374
@younesstriker2374 5 жыл бұрын
any info of when they gonna play?
@joaolucaslages7792
@joaolucaslages7792 5 жыл бұрын
Never. Alpha Zero is no more
@younesstriker2374
@younesstriker2374 5 жыл бұрын
no more playing? and why
@joaolucaslages7792
@joaolucaslages7792 5 жыл бұрын
@@younesstriker2374 Alpha was made just for that tests. After that it was "destroied"
@luctip3337
@luctip3337 5 жыл бұрын
@@younesstriker2374 Alpha Zero only played chess for like 10 hours, its primary use is for science, medical etc. The Devs only used chess in order to test around with imputs and neural nets from all I know
@gabrieldunn7384
@gabrieldunn7384 5 жыл бұрын
At 12:40 after black moved the queen to D8, why doesn't the White Queen take the C4 pawn ? It would also add protection to the A2 pawn.
@markattila9835
@markattila9835 5 жыл бұрын
This game is just so beyond human, I wonder if any human player can even fully understand what is going on here. The number of variations behind these positions could have lines worth a hundred thousand GMs preparation.
@skalderman
@skalderman 5 жыл бұрын
Carlsen would know it
@AgnaktoreX
@AgnaktoreX 2 жыл бұрын
This game was so good to watch, it implements a lot of interesting positions C:
@hemanthkotagiri8865
@hemanthkotagiri8865 5 жыл бұрын
I was expecting Vsauce music at 8:47
@geoffryaycardo
@geoffryaycardo 5 жыл бұрын
same
@Korovox
@Korovox 5 жыл бұрын
hah you made me laugh very good
@zlac
@zlac 5 жыл бұрын
Don't forget to mention that Leela knew she was better since move 18 when SF allowed that funny 3v3 pawn structure. SF preffered white even 15 moves later!
@stojansir7999
@stojansir7999 5 жыл бұрын
Chess is evolving with engines
@johnathanjacobs2569
@johnathanjacobs2569 5 жыл бұрын
Hey! Is there an explanation for why stockfish traded queens to capture the rook instead of capturing with the pawn I feel like it would have been a knight for a rook in the exchange with a pawn now attacking the queen...any ideas? It was right around 16:20
@richardfeynman5560
@richardfeynman5560 5 жыл бұрын
Humans will never be able to fully understand comprehend the way those machines play, it's too far above our level of skills.
@batistalift
@batistalift 5 жыл бұрын
And yet chess remains unsolved to this day. Kind of amazing.
@anononomous
@anononomous 5 жыл бұрын
Solving chess (while not currently possible) is a known and quite different problem. In a way it's a much simpler one too. It's like a brute force attack. Creating something that can master chess from base principles quickly and efficiently is arguably more interesting and potentially useful.
@dfv671
@dfv671 5 жыл бұрын
One of the most complicated and deepest chess games I've ever seen
@gameelgameel5167
@gameelgameel5167 5 жыл бұрын
I want a video on the reverse if this opening ...leela won it too ??!!
@prithvirajpatil2996
@prithvirajpatil2996 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, Leela has won this opening playing white as well !!!
@jasonz9902
@jasonz9902 5 жыл бұрын
I love computer chess Agad, I love your series but please keep including these games cause look that that position at 5:36.... man is that a funky position or what!!!!
@OUGAA
@OUGAA 5 жыл бұрын
Leela the real mad queen
@johnbjorkman4144
@johnbjorkman4144 5 жыл бұрын
@15:36 Stockfish had played p-a4, Leela answers Q-c5, Stockfish plays Q-e1 - but why not N-b5? It prevents R-b4, etc.
@iYankrozHD
@iYankrozHD 5 жыл бұрын
Madness, wow.
@camipco
@camipco 3 жыл бұрын
Protected like a very protected pawn. Best simile ever.
@da_legend7050
@da_legend7050 5 жыл бұрын
Late castles no piece development No rush at taking centre Well there will be new chess in a few years with these machines
@dagl8
@dagl8 5 жыл бұрын
Question, at 10:25, wouldn't it be beneficial for white to play G1>H1 or G2>H2, then continuing with kn. H4>G6? (of course Leela would most likely counter it, but I feel that would be quite a sneaky queen capture).
@ivanandreevich8568
@ivanandreevich8568 5 жыл бұрын
Who's recommending this? This is brain damaging.
@FethiKaratas
@FethiKaratas 5 жыл бұрын
Did you notice the way he says 'you guys' at 0:10 ? I love this guy's sense of humour.
@mathistruth9105
@mathistruth9105 5 жыл бұрын
What do you mean by "chess principles?" The center is closed and therefore development is not too important.
@gajofre
@gajofre 5 жыл бұрын
Amazing !!! The pawn chains, the pawn play in general, the tension !!! I could not stand that tension, I wanted to eat everything. Engines are really fun to watch sometimes.
@nimabaradaran3471
@nimabaradaran3471 5 жыл бұрын
woooooow,I wish Leela would write GOT final season instead of those boring writers,what a sacrifice.
@habibko
@habibko 3 жыл бұрын
16:29 why did white take rook with queen first instead of pawn takes on c3?
@timespaice
@timespaice 5 жыл бұрын
Why leela is so strong. Feel bad for Stockfish ):
@dramorian4486
@dramorian4486 5 жыл бұрын
Preprogrammed engine vs AI that learns.
@gauravjha8938
@gauravjha8938 5 жыл бұрын
What kind of opening & middle game was this...!!!🤯🤯🤯 Mind blown to smithereens..😵🤯😵
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