Chest Rig VS LBE or Belt Kit

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[@paul7754]

Never a better breakdown for the carry methods - EXCELLENT points! Too many people trying to do EVERYTHING with chest rigs. I roll with LBE but very open on the front for several reasons: release of heat build up and dirt diving/crawling. It's also much easier with LBE to climb over stuff, hump the hills, take more stuff with you and all while NOT looking like a Ninja Turtle!

[@samrussell0331]

Thank you! Yes LBE is great and and the GWOT made everyone forget about it.

[@paul7754]

@@samrussell0331 I'm guessing 'when' you were in (Semper Fi - me '84 - '88 ALICE gear) by your face and length of hair (I didn't cut mine for 7 years). You didn't mention the FLC 'the FLiC' and I'm betting you might have been issued. I'm interested in your comments on that - I find them quite functional.

[@samrussell0331]

@@paul7754 I have also grown my hair out for 7 years. I was in from 2013 to 2017. We only use the FLC in boot camp. I don’t remember much about it.

[@alfredthundersack]

I came here to say the exact same thing. Subscribed!

[@samrussell0331]

@@alfredthundersack thank you sir!

[@tnh723]

My chest rig isnt as sexy as my JPC or trex slick plate carrier but it holds 8 mags, has a trauma kit, radio, range finder, notebook, flashlight, and skittles. Its so versatile it can even go on top of a plate carrier as a bandolier. Thank you for this video. You speak really well and Im quite happy to sub. Cheers man

[@samrussell0331]

Thank you

[@YeetCheif]

BEST BREAK DOWN DISCRIPTION EVER OF MULTI DIFF LOADOUT OPTIONS AND HOW THEY AFFECT YOUR BODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GARANDTHUMB EAT YOUR HEART OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dude if you had a CHARLES you would explode cant believe your not at a subscription base like them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@samrussell0331]

If you’ve ever rucked with enough weight to constitute an OSHA violation, go ahead and hit that subscribe button. Like, share, and crush the notifications bell like my lower back.

[@samrussell0331]

Thank you so much.

[@samrussell0331]

I had a crew of Charlies off screen on the three videos following this one. You’ll like them.

[@YeetCheif]

@@samrussell0331 can’t wait to see them if you need a Charles I’d be a heller I got a beard halfway down my chest and hair halfway down my back it would be fun. I’ve done a few voices for a few other channels

[@ugahdugha]

Former Mech infantry grunt here I used a british style PLCE/webbing kit with a few extra pouches on the back, and a slick PC. I just took the off when I got in the back or while I was crewing, and just threw it on when I got out. That allowed me to get further use and familiarity with just one kit, instead of having multiple different setups. It was just as quick as throwing on a backpack, but could also fit in more places and carry more stuff than one

[@samrussell0331]

What were you riding in? I feel like that wouldn’t be the best option for operating around cars, trucks, or humvees.

[@ugahdugha]

@@samrussell0331 Humvees and Bradleys. No matter the mission, we had to have at minimum MOPP gear in a bag with us, so it wasn't like I was the only one with a pack on my lab. Since I had a back panel and extra pouches all the stuff that would have been in my backpack (MOPP/CBRN gear, CW/WW, water/mres, links, etc), like everyone else carried, was able to fit in my webbing. Difference being, without the bulky shape I was able to stash it under my seat or in the rack behind me, and was still able to grab and go without slowing down the element.

[@samrussell0331]

@ I’ll give it a try

[@scottmayberry3906]

Very well executed and explained.......... Too many people want to look macho, but have no clue to the actual weight and the long hours on patrols that after years and months will take a toll on your lower back. If you go to the range just to " look at me" and not use the equipment, you are going to learn a very life changing event if you have to use the equipment that you do not know how to properly. This video has explained the use very well, and I commend and thank you for doin so. Salute

[@samrussell0331]

Thank you

[@Usmc0341]

I’m of the mindset that it’s actually to have all, or at least some variation of these. This way you have setups that are mission specific. Same with your firearms. I don’t have just one general purpose setup. I have multiple setups in multiple calibers to cover a vast range of scenarios that i may encounter. Being over prepared, is being prepared, in my book. Great video that explains the use and pros and cons. Just subscribed

[@samrussell0331]

Thank you

[@preparedcitizens]

Excellent stuff brother! I’ve always used chest rigs based on experiences but I definitely see the need for both! Great video!

[@samrussell0331]

A lot of the intent with this video was to inform people, familiar with chest rigs, why a belt kit might be better for certain things. Glad you got something out of it.

[@flyoverkid55]

Agreed. Chest rigs are best for mechanized troops, where mobility in vehicles is paramount. I prefer LBE, weight distribution is far more important for my purposes.

[@samrussell0331]

We are on the same page

[@BigSawCat]

Great stuff. I'm in the Southern coastal swamp and run a belt kit similar to what I used in 90's Africa. Better heat dispurtion. I find most guys don't understand the difference between waistline and hips, that's why they don't like belt kits.

[@samrussell0331]

Wearing your gear right definitely helps

[@jasonlee8427]

Southern Coastal River Swamp Dweller m'self. Redneck Riviera!

[@DeSmith-o4b]

Dirty civilian here. Do you wear this gear on your hips or waistline? Mine isn't a vest, it's a belt with suspenders.

[@steventhehistorian]

What is the difference between waistline and hips?

[@DeSmith-o4b]

@@steventhehistorian Waistline is at your belly button and hips are, well, your hips. 😂

[@spencer7197]

Finally someone talking about the toll certain kit can take on your body. As a GWOT dude with lower back pain...I appreciate it lol

[@samrussell0331]

@@spencer7197 this video was brought to you by GWOT induced lower back pain

[@bryancostas3876]

One of my favorite new gear channels great explanation and opinions

[@samrussell0331]

Thank you. I’m trying to bring more than just gear stuff, but it’s easy and people like it.

[@gunsofmasseffect4321]

I use all 3 methods, as you stared, for various scenarios, they all have their place, at the appropriate time of use, great video. 👍🏾👊🏾💯

[@samrussell0331]

That is right. I think most people are only familiar with one option.

[@gatorhkman]

Appreciate the wide open and humble approach to this vid. Well done.

[@samrussell0331]

Thank you

[@DutchK75]

I still have a love for belt kit. It's what I started out with in the Marines. LC2 stuff. Bought a H harness in Oceanside. Didn't like the Y harness. I have two TAPS kits and two plate carrier setups. I still have my LC2 setup. I think if you are wanting to have kit for just in case. Having something whether it's optimal for vehicle operations or whatever is secondary to just having something.

[@therearedoors]

Nice work. Paul Harrell vibes. Thank you!

[@samrussell0331]

Thank you

[@brawldawg8729]

Props for the SOE modular LBV. I was ecstatic when he finally started making them again, but by that time, I chose to go with Spiritus Systems LBE kit, as it was in current production and fairly available. John's gear has been my go to for nearly 30 years.

[@samrussell0331]

I’m an addict

[@samiharb2643]

Great vid. Broke it down simple n easy for the newbs like me. Much appreciated brah. 🙏🏽✊🏽

[@samrussell0331]

None of those has to be complicated. If someone is making it complicated you should probably ignore them.

[@samiharb2643]

@@samrussell0331 Yeah ppl over complicating stuff & even more just trying to sell you 'their' shit you know. Almost everything on KZbin now is just a commercial pretending not to be.

[@samrussell0331]

@@samiharb2643 I feel like a lot of my videos have been commercials, just unpaid ones cause it’s all stuff I actually use.

[@MountainRaider]

Great analysis and points! My preferred rig is a Micro rig pair with a belt rig.

[@Mark13-23]

It's hard to find a quality mesh vest with a heavy duty zippered front but that's what I like best because the weight is distributed evenly and everything is held close to the body, can still go prone. The one I have has 4 sewn on mag pouches with velcro closures that hold 1 or 2 AR mags each. It has a big velcro square bottom front where you can choose to attach either 2 more mag pouches or a pistol holster. It has 2 small pouches left and right and 3 pistol mag pouches chest high. It has 2 big inside zippered pouches, 3 molle strips across the back to attach whatever and an attached pistol belt if you want to attach other stuff

[@paul7754]

I like vests too. Ever looked at an FLC (Fighting Load Carrier)? Military issue - mesh, covered with MOLLE, heavy duty zipper and fully adjustable. It does not have a method to attach a belt though. The LBV-88 Enhanced is heavier and has sewn on mag pouches, heavy duty shoulder pads and loop snaps for attaching a web belt. The FLC is more adaptable but again - no belt.

[@anonymouscitizen2732]

That was some awesome advice. I never knew the benefits of the LBE. Thank you.

[@samrussell0331]

@@anonymouscitizen2732 There are some definite benefits over chest rigs, depending on what you are doing. But now you know that. 👍🏼

[@mr.dinder9287]

Here in MO I’ve found the lbe works super well just because the summers are so damn hot you need to be able to keep things off your torso. Currently been using a nixie works rig and it’s been great.

[@samrussell0331]

@@mr.dinder9287 how do you like the Nixie works? What part of Missouri are you in? I’m in SW MO

[@mr.dinder9287]

@@samrussell0331 it’s a wonderful setup. A little pricey but it’s like a super comfortable lighter weight Alice rig. I’m a little further east. There’s a town called van Buren nearby

[@samrussell0331]

@@mr.dinder9287 I know where Van Buren is.

[@mr.dinder9287]

@@samrussell0331 haha hell yea. Were you stationed at Pendleton?

[@samrussell0331]

@@mr.dinder9287 yes. Camp Horno. 2/1

[@anarchyarmy1766]

Excellent breakdown of the difference between the load outs. Thanks brother 💪😎

[@samrussell0331]

Thank you

[@jbazan11]

Chest rigs, plate carriers and battle belts all have their place, all have pros and cons to each. In the end there is no right or wrong, just as long as you train with it and know what each kit set up has in it or how you can improve it.

[@samrussell0331]

Right. But not everyone knows why you would want one or the other.

[@TennGrizz]

correct , it depends on the mission and mode of travel. folks need to get away from the Heavy Infantry mindset. Light Infantry is the way forward. The Soldiers Load and the Mobility of a Nation.

[@samrussell0331]

Gotta get good at foot patrols and mounted operations.

[@BananarchOfTedKacistan]

If I'm not doing anything thats DA, or doesnt have a system of sustainment for recon or urban settings, I'm picking the LBE. Plate carrier for DA. Chest rig for those small, shorter, ops where I have things to sustain me in my envionrment without the need to carry them. Chest rigs can have a great application for those low vis urban applications ESPECIALLY in conjunction to a low vis plate system should you need any armor.

[@GrumpyGenXGramps]

I’m an old Skool LBE/battle belt Vet. I like chest rigs ok enough but I believe in sticking with what you know. HOWEVER, I also have a severe back injury and won’t be humping much, very far! So my battle plan entails maintaining my Hawkeye badge qualification and the “hunker down and stand your ground until you’re outta rounds” maneuver! LOL

[@samrussell0331]

Sounds like you need to make friends with some GWOT vets.

[@GrumpyGenXGramps]

@@samrussell0331 GWOT?

[@samrussell0331]

@@GrumpyGenXGramps global war on terror

[@MurryRothbeard]

A clear explainer

[@samrussell0331]

Thank you. I do try to be helpful

[@jerryrichards8172]

Love the web gear viseo + information ❤

[@Joseph_Hamilton]

I use both.

[@212caboose]

Considering the military is moving back to LBE's, I'd say the LBE. But in reality it boils down to two things: Mission requirement, personal preference.

[@jimketchum3169]

As a dirty civilian with a bad back, I thank you muchly for this excellent info! Subbed!🤙

[@samrussell0331]

Glad I can maybe help your back a little

[@jimketchum3169]

​@@samrussell0331Well, just got a really good deal on the Condor battle belt with the H-harness but I was thinking more that I'd have one set-up for one boomstick and the other for quite a different one. Never actually rucked with the chest rig so you prolly saved me a fair amount of suck.

[@kurtbaier6122]

Liked and subd. Excellent presentation. Out of plate carrier, chest rig and LBE, LBE with H suspenders wins. Each definitely has a specific role, but over all LBE is my go to. LBE carry’s fighting load, squad ammo, Ifak, water, Food and minimal shelter, while providing excellent ventilation and low center of gravity. And if worn low an Assault pack or larger pack can be worn. I will never be in a military vehicle as a civilian, The LBE is easy to don and doff. I also don’t run a buttpack but two to three Saw pouches instead. Keeps load mor compact and closer to my body. Former Cold War Sgt.

[@samrussell0331]

Thank you sir. And I agree that saw pouches would make a great substitute for a butt pack.

[@G.W-01]

Everyone's different but for me the lbe seems to distribute the weight more evenly on the body, and works better getting in and out of the prone position.

[@samrussell0331]

That has been my experience as well

[@shaynehawkins713]

I have a small high chest rig. Carrying tools and tourniquet. I also have my battle belt with survival gear. Then my backpack with camping gear.

[@coreysuttles1362]

Awesome video man thank you!

[@samrussell0331]

Thank you for watching. Is there anything you’d like to see in a follow up video?

[@coreysuttles1362]

@@samrussell0331 I will get back to you by end of day

[@coreysuttles1362]

@@samrussell0331 so far I can’t think of anything specific so maybe show in detail what support gear goes with each unless you did that already and I missed it. Like what type of packs or maybe do a load out for the SOE covert pack

[@GunpowderNitro]

I bought the map pack for my rrv i hope it balances my loadout some gonna run a bladder in the map and 1 canteen on the rrv figure ill molle couple extra mag pouches on the map aswell but so far out of all my surp the eagle industries quality is top notch good video man 💯💪

[@samrussell0331]

Thank you. Yeah I really like a lot of what Eagle makes. I’ve got a few videos on their h-harness, and I love it. Those RRVs definitely look cool too.

[@G.W-01]

@@samrussell0331 Noticed that those are starting to get in and out of stock more consistently now that lbe is becoming more popular again, I've already built out a couple of Eagle Industries h-harness but I'm giving some consideration utilizing cheaper more common varieties such as condor gear to see how well it fares.

[@samrussell0331]

@@G.W-01 the gear snob in me says to the the Eagle harness, but I think Condor is getting decent.

[@GunpowderNitro]

@samrussell0331 indeed!!!! Eagle is pricey but man when get them all tricked out the quality is there for sure I'm running the khaki and some of those packs and pouches r like finding gold 😆 but worth the extra scratch 💯💪

[@walkercustoms]

Thank you

[@samrussell0331]

Thank you for commenting

[@mollyhogen5036]

Great info thanks for your tips and time. New subscriber here. Keep up the good work.

[@samrussell0331]

Thank you

[@MartinJHarris]

As a Brit... belt kit is for 48hrs roughly

[@samrussell0331]

Are there any overnight items that y’all keep in the belt kit?

[@sectorseven07]

Good shit

[@samrussell0331]

@@sectorseven07 thank you sir! Your video about being deadly in the Southeast was me thinking about doing one on being deadly in the Ozarks.

[@2stroke438]

Ayy Ill Bill. Classic, him and his brother necro.

[@samrussell0331]

@@2stroke438 him and Vinnie Paz got me listening to rap a couple years ago. Clever dudes.

[@DavidDean-k9k]

Thanks

[@samrussell0331]

Thank you for leaving a comment

[@charleswilson2602]

Good video nice job!

[@Sarge0311]

I still have my LCE from 12 yrs as a 0311 I have a plate carrier/ chest rig

[@samrussell0331]

@@Sarge0311 what years and what battalions were you in?

[@Sarge0311]

1Bn 3rd Reg 3rd Div K-Bay Hi

[@samrussell0331]

@@Sarge0311 cool. I was in 2nd battalion, 1st regiment station on Camp Pendleton.

[@ArmedCivilian556]

Excellent video

[@samrussell0331]

Thank you

[@Lambotino]

appreciate the information

[@samrussell0331]

Great. Then you are part of why I made this video.

[@markjohnis1872]

We done! 🤙🇺🇸

[@bryanfaulkenburg462]

I see you run the Magpul Fixed stock . I also run the same stock . Do you run the AK cleaning kit in your stock ? I have been contemplating buying one for mine .

[@samrussell0331]

Who cleans their AK?

[@IZCSRI]

Do you try to keep your gear in a certain weight range? Or have tips on carrying what you need without it being to much weight.

[@samrussell0331]

@@IZCSRI the general rule is to carry no more than 25% of your body weight. I basically go with a 50lbs max rule, not including a rifle. The two methods for not carrying too much: 1. Do a ruck for several miles in your gear. If you’re carrying too much, you’ll definitely carry less next time. 2. Get stronger.

[@ManInTheWoods76]

Carry ammo and water first... All combatants tend to complain of a lack of both in the field

[@davidb.cooper3296]

A question. Are there different sizes to these lbe rigs and if so how do you figure out which size

[@samrussell0331]

Most belt kits, load bearing vests, and similar systems are widely adjustable. They’re pretty much all intended to fit any size of military age male.

[@AA-gj3kt]

I like to blame my lower back problems on the m60 and mud puddles. 👍😄👍

[@samrussell0331]

That’ll do it

[@letsdothis9063]

That blame is probably well placed. Wish you the best.

[@ManInTheWoods76]

Good sound info, bro. New subscriber

[@samrussell0331]

Awesome. Thank you. Is there anything else you’d like to see?

[@katelynn3005]

I don't often write comments but I greatly appreciate those that do because it offers a more varied experience. I'm trying to find out a kit that incorporates this while not getting in the way of my ruck, personally.

[@samrussell0331]

Unfortunately, most full size rucks aren’t intended to be used with a belt kit. I’m planning on trying out my medium Alice without the frame or using it with a different, shorter, frame.

[@jerryrichards8172]

True the range with the 4 mags switching mags as fast as possible is not the most important training. it's just the most easy and cool in today's firearms movement . In America SHTF unless someone has taken your family member its not about room clearing smooth & fast assaults. (Not a bad skill to have) Thats the last scenario you need to be in. Probably not even defending your home but moving staying alive and fighting only when you have to. Like this gentleman says seek more training 😊

[@samrussell0331]

Well said. Thank you.

[@gritrgear]

Let us know what's the best way to contact you regarding potential collaboration. Tried contacting via email, but it's not available

[@georgelopez16]

5 star video

[@samrussell0331]

@@georgelopez16 thank you sir

[@Bobbyspags]

BOUGHT TIME YOU MADE A NEW VIDEO

[@samrussell0331]

Bought time you watched one of my videos.

[@RobertHamm-u7c]

All of the above. I’ll tell you why. Different missions require different levels and types of equipment. Ounces equal pounds. Weight equals speed. Speed equals mobility. Urban terrain requires plate carriers. Rural terrain requires load bearing equipment.

[@samrussell0331]

I’m biased against plate carriers. Best way to block a punch is to not be there.

[@politicalsheepdog]

Infantrymen have back problems because the 100lbs+ of ammunition, water and whatever else they were carrying.

[@samrussell0331]

That AND the method of carrying it all.

[@yetisuncle666]

Are you a zany Okie?

[@samrussell0331]

@@yetisuncle666 Missouri

[@brotherbrovet1881]

The chest rig shoukd be worn with a large pack when making long movements. The belt kit is for up to 48hrs in a warm climate, 24hrs in a cold environment. That ALICE gear, especially the large ruck, is the reason why so many old grunts have wrecked backs. L5S1... right where that damned kidney pad hits.

[@samrussell0331]

That is basically the conclusion I’ve come to as well.

[@brotherbrovet1881]

@samrussell0331 We used to lengthen our H-harness suspenders with paracord to get the pistol belt of the LBE riding right on your backside to be able to hump that ruck. It totally sucked. Back in the last century, in my squads, we carried one poncho liner for every 2 men to cut down on butt pack space to live out of the LBE longer in warm weather. There were small non-issuel assault-pack sized ALICE packs from Korea with 3 outer pockets big enough for a 1QT canteen. LBE with that small no-frame pack was a great set up... as great as it could be being built on that nylon pistol belt foundation.

[@samrussell0331]

@@brotherbrovet1881 I think you already saw in another video that I’ve got the Eberlestock Bandit to wear with LBE. I’ll probably get a slightly larger pack sometime.

[@brotherbrovet1881]

@samrussell0331 I got a great deal on a Mystery Ranch 2-day assault pack. I got it in USFS Ranger Green so it's subdued without screaming "tactical". It's become my everywhere bag.

[@justanothergunnerd8128]

It's all needs based - duh. Combining chest rigs with belt and rucks is probably best for most folks,

[@samrussell0331]

If you’ve never done a patrolwith a belt kit, you’re missing out.

[@1STerminus]

I became old, sick and blind. All my gear is for someone who is none of those things. Maybe I can do a video on "Old Dudes" gear... 1. Cane 2. Powerful Magnifying Glass 3. 12ga with short barrel and big red dot, etc. also "Watch them old folks, they are cunning and dangerous..."

[@samrussell0331]

@@1STerminus it’s good to be able to learn from the old folks

[@drmiles7546]

common sense dictates all depends on your situation does it not ?

[@samrussell0331]

Not everyone knows the pros and cons of all the options.

[@AnthonyFerrante-f1l]

FLK

[@NoahBranch503]

Both 😂 three quick mags chest rig and lbe like crossfire dz lbe .... sf dudes talk a out primary and secondary so primary is those 4 ready mags 1 in rifle 3 on chest then your secondary is those 12 in your lbe then third line is pack so probably best to always be a student stay humble and most importantly trust in Jesus cause all this other stuff is temporary

[@samrussell0331]

@@NoahBranch503 yo, post a video about that set up

[@NoahBranch503]

@samrussell0331 yeah my days of running around on free time are in the past i have beautiful children that fill this dads time now but 20 years ago i ran the blackhawk chestrig 12 mags up front if would do it again what i commented up top use how you train and train hard and have fun keep it up man

[@samiharb2643]

Yeah not legit ppl like you that buy stuff & love it, I'm talkin bout all those guys who get the stuff for free from the company to basically just do a positive product review & they lie & say "oh no, not sponsored, bought it all with my own $$".

[@poopymcface9792]

Do you support the Nords or Skyrim, or are you an Imperial dog?