I've seen people with really bad body position and 0 chicken strips bragging about...but I was faster than them on the same bike WITH chicken strips lol MotoJitsu.com/shop
@GregALang Жыл бұрын
Like guys in full racing leathers on the Tail of the Dragon hanging off the bike like a spider monkey in the corner while barely leaning the bike more that it sits on its side stand. Makes me want to scream, "You're not Rossi and never will be. Just take the corner normally and be safe!"
@Skyerzen Жыл бұрын
OMG! this same scenario happened to me earlier on my riding life. I was on a small group ride up Glendora. the guy in front of me was on a Gixxer and I was on my FZ 09. When we got to the parking lot he looked at my chicken strips and made a comment about my speed. I quickly replied with "How come I was going the same speed you were?" In fact, early on the ride, during a tighter corner that we were expecting, he went wide while I still had room to lean further.
@r1learner178 Жыл бұрын
Happens to me regularly, I can ride at the same speed as others, they are to the edge of the tyre but I still have 1/2" chicken strips, go figure. I figure the chicken strips are like an insurance policy - just in case I need it.
@stevestowell-virtue3781 Жыл бұрын
I had a guy comment on the chicken strips on my R1150RT BMW. I had just finished a 4K mile trip on Interstates with a fully loaded bike. The only curves i encountered were on and off ramps. I just smiled and walked off without a word. Like Yoda, I'm too old to begin the training, and morons are terrible students.
@petrkrska Жыл бұрын
@@stevestowell-virtue3781 I have a same problem... My VFR is pretty comfortable so i use to go trips arround the Europe and ofc its 95% at highway...
@SteveLawrance Жыл бұрын
This is one of the most sensible motorcycle videos I’ve seen in months. Keep up the good work, you are saving lives.
@throttletube Жыл бұрын
Absolutely true. Been riding for over 2 decades fast with body positioning and leaving the margin on my tires for safety. I don't care what people say, I ride my ride. Say yes to chicken strips!
@james95050 Жыл бұрын
Ultimately this is copium. There's truth to it, but let's be real, the fastest riders on the track don't have bad body position, and they also don't have chicken strips. In fact the outer edge is completely blistered from being there the entire time. you shouldn't feel bullied, it's about fun. But the reality is you both hang off and lean the bike over when it's smooth/grippy/predictable and you're pushing it on purpose. And this can and is done on the street, though not in all corners, nor necessarily safely.
@throttletube Жыл бұрын
@@james95050 lean angle = risk. I don't negate that risk factor and it is no copium and the chicken strips are that 3-5% of additional cushion to minimize risk. The riders that do show no chicken strips are also those who don't show the amount of tumbles and low sides and destruction they have caused to their bikes and themselves in pursuit of lean angle. Ultimately to each is their own.
@NWTMasterWolf Жыл бұрын
I love chicken strips. Especially with Ranch.
@matthewbeaver5026 Жыл бұрын
Buffalo or BBQ
@adrianpardo75 Жыл бұрын
😂
@collinmc90 Жыл бұрын
chicken strips and jo jos
@vino6106 Жыл бұрын
BBQ and Honey Mustard. Alternating between dips
@Kwando3242 Жыл бұрын
😂
@redchemicalsltd2324 Жыл бұрын
Great video, 100% correct information for everyone...if you want to prove a point on how fast you are on a bike, go do some track days with your mates & put a stop watch on your lap times... that always proves the point & then you will realise that 'chicken strips' has absolutely nothing to do with anything....lol. My experience back in the day, 9 years road racing in the UK with 3 years at National Level... Do all your bragging with your mates at the race track & not riding like a lunatic on the road, as you will not stay alive!...👍
@akirasanakirasan5347 Жыл бұрын
the track is way different from the road. the road is all about awareness the track does not have traffic. 2 totally diff places. i have seen guys on the track crash because they cannot lean.
@ut90J Жыл бұрын
Always got crap about strips on my Ninja 250 when I first started, mind you by other new riders. My favorite was to hit the canyon and show how little lean I needed to rip. Almost had a deer jump into my bike one time mid turn and if I had been leaning harder than needed while panic braking I would have crashed for sure because I locked up the rear. It's best to not overdo things and slowly learn. Thank you Motojitsu for teaching others to keep their ego in check!
@MikeCadvBikes Жыл бұрын
Also, unless you live in a perpetual circle, you are going to spend a much larger percentage of your riding time in the center portion of you tire. Highways and interstates just don’t have that many super sharp corners in them. So, even if you look for the twisties, the vast majority of you time will be on the e middle part of the tire.
@maximadami6819 Жыл бұрын
come to Europe :D some fast street riders here have the edges worn out even more than the middle cuz its just so curvy here :D
@jordanturner7917 Жыл бұрын
That's why I try to do a light swerve on the straight highways to spread out the wear and preserve the center of the tire. I do it a lot but bot as much as I'd like because I feel like it makes traffic uneasy lol
@kugangles9860 Жыл бұрын
I might have some chicken strips on my bikes tires but I'll be coming home safe to my family at the end of the day. That's the main goal for me during a ride. Not to look and ride like a wannabe street Rossi
@killroy2014 Жыл бұрын
@@EdTrollington 🤣
@michaelsherlock8594 Жыл бұрын
Seen a good few street carnages where the rider is not going home to their family , paramedics spending 20 minutes at least trying to bring them back , with no success , after seeing these inexperienced riders trying to put chicken strips to show their friends how good they thought they where , not an experience I want to see or maybe others should see things like this , "might " make them think what does it prove when my wife,/daughter/son is waiting for the call they do not want to hear !!.
@mmorgz6622 Жыл бұрын
seen that with regular riders too. can and does happen to anyone. actually, come to think about it, i would be suprised if it happened more to chill riders. agressive riders tend to be more aware. prob because they are watching for police though 🤣
@imafackinjunglist Жыл бұрын
why you biting? Chicken strips are an old school joke that all the new generation take way too seriously. 😂😂😂😂😂
@Thomas-fg5ie Жыл бұрын
Heh brother, I just went for my first ride on my Suzuki boulevard 1500, and just want to say your vids have been invaluable in giving me confidence and inspiration as I practised the techniques. I haven't ridden since my teens, apart from an e'bicycle, which helped, but Your advice and steady teaching method continues to be really helpful. Thank you and God bless you and your family always.
@georgecatalin138 Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much Sir !! I suggest your channel to every young rider i met ,just because every single advice from you ,had an enormous impact in my driving skills and helped me in many situations ! Best regards and thank you from Romania and we ask you to keep doing this school ,for Us 🙏🇷🇴🤝
@ihtishamulhaq951 Жыл бұрын
🌻🇮🇸
@THF1998 Жыл бұрын
Oho, daca am avea si noi un youtuber de moto macar cu 15% info din cate are MotoJitsu...
@sh3p1337 Жыл бұрын
Less lean angle isn't just about suspension being more balanced, it's also about the tire traction being used. I read this in a book where the actions on the bike are expressed with 100 points. 100 points for either braking, cornering, or acceleration. So if you're using 100 of those theoretical points for cornerning, adding any more points by adding throttle without leveling the bike (freeing points for acceleration) will cause the rear tire to lose traction, resulting in a crash. In short, using less aggressive lean angle than necessary gives you more options in a corner.
@Topendz Жыл бұрын
Finally some sound and logical advise!!! I’ve been riding on the street for over 40 years, sports bikes as well, and I’ve always had “chicken strips”. It’s always baffled me the stigma around them so silly.
@BodyPress91 Жыл бұрын
It also makes a big difference which tire you use. Tire pressure also plays a major role. Some tires just can't get on edge. I had to learn and understand all of that.
@x-man5056 Жыл бұрын
You can scrub off chicken strips in a parking lot doing figure 8's if you move your body enough. Tire pressures are critical though, doesn't have to be off by much to make a big difference.
@wizrom3046 Жыл бұрын
The front tyre on my 2022 hayabusa has almost vertical sides. Granted, its hard to run off the edge of the tyre but yeah there are chicken strips.
@lohiiiith Жыл бұрын
these drawings look amazing btw 👏
@southernknight9983 Жыл бұрын
As someone who has been on a race track and never even scraped a knee, I back everything this guy says. He is obviously an expert in this field. I can see that quite clearly. Nice informative videos man!
@clark4219 Жыл бұрын
Great vid, and much respect! 👊🏼 I love how you use your knowledge and experience to help benefit both newbies and seasoned riders alike. A UK examiner once told me, “every day’s a school day on a bike”... He was not wrong. 👍🏼
@craigstanleyk1600 Жыл бұрын
I appreciate and respect your opinion. I follow you. I am 56 years old and have never been without a bike in my life since about 19 years old. Have had all kinds of bikes. I watch your material and I still learn from you. Thanks for all you
@johnanderson9735 Жыл бұрын
I still have those little nubs of rubber on my Goldwing tires, and I have no plans to get them ‘scraped’ off. Total Control Intermediate Rider Course taught me a lot about cornering, I’ll keep the chicken strips.
@DanPaulDrums Жыл бұрын
That's a great course. Helped my skills a lot.
@DanPaulDrums Жыл бұрын
Good video. If you use the most outer edge of your tire when street riding than you're only able to correct in one direction. All I care about is staying up right and going a little faster than all the cars. Good enough for me.
@heroshotlgn Жыл бұрын
One thing people dont mention as well is that the strips still have the slick stuff from the factory. I've pushed my bike with the sole intention of trying to get max lean, and every time I do it feels slick because that part of the tire never got broke in
@daves6851 Жыл бұрын
Also, the only time for leaning further than you need to is when you WANT to lose some traction like I do when I want to fishtail around a turn at slow speeds. Outside of that the only part of the tread to worry about is the part you actually use.
@ac-130fan Жыл бұрын
I always do slow speed stuff just to break in new tires and scuff the sides up so when I actually need that range of the tire, it’s not factory slick.
@joelmacdonald6994 Жыл бұрын
Well said. I’m a touring cruiser guy. I always give myself that safety margins and I do ride quick and hard. Yeah, I have goofed up and hit hard parts on the bike, and my tires have small chicken strips. Not that they’re worn in, but they’ve seen asphalt a few more time than they should’ve. But it’s because I give myself that safety margin that when I do make a mistake, the spot on my tire that should rarely see ground has given me the forgiveness to make sure I keep the rubber down. It’s not a place I aim to wear, but it is my safety margin.
@Ro6entX Жыл бұрын
My experience is to stay away from riders who worry about chicken strips; Learned that first hand when I was once worried about them.
@Cj-yw8cs Жыл бұрын
Never heard of em......weightless rider bret teks says to lean bike not body
@jamesrindley6215 Жыл бұрын
Yup, I started loving my motorcycling a lot more once I stopped trying to pretend I was fast. Focus on mastery of skills and safety at a slow enough pace to think clearly about everything, then the fear and panic disappears, and what's interesting is that I reckon after 20 crash free years I'm probably cornering faster than I used to in my reckless days, and I'm doing it safely due to better lines, better observation, better bike control, calm mind. The martial arts instructor Matt Pasquinilli sums up how to train for anything "slow is smooth, smooth is fast".
@totoybalisong6371 Жыл бұрын
screw Powerpoint and projectors. 😂 Nothing like the old school "colored marker and huge sheets of paper" combo for visual aids. I'm not even sarcastic, i really dig this old school drawings. Its a dying art. And you know how much effort preparation was made for the viewers. Highly appreciated. Thaks for the treat, Fast Eddie! Rock on 🤘
@siraff4461 Жыл бұрын
Many years ago I was part of a display team (before "stunt" teams were a thing). One of the drills we used to practice was getting the pegs down. In a straight line. At around 10mph. Once you have the knack its surprisingly easy to do and only goes to show that all this nonsense about chicken strips is just that. Ride how you like and ignore the bs. The only thing you should be looking at your rubber for is to see how well or not your suspension is set up. Rubber is great for that because it tells the tale of how you've been riding and how the bike has been dealing with it. If you learn to read the rubber you can tell if its feathering, waving, graining and all the rest - and in which direction and if you got them too hot and so on. You can even tell roughly how far the bike leaned - though that has almost no say on how hard it was cornering.
@dgphi Жыл бұрын
I don't understand. How do you scrape peg while going in a straight line?
@siraff4461 Жыл бұрын
@@dgphi Its all about where you put your weight. Next time you're out try leaning the bike slightly one way but stay in a straight line with countersteer. The idea is to counter the bikes' weight with your own so as you lean the bike one way, you lean off the other. At the extremes we did for the displays we would be pretty much standing on the engine casing with one foot and using both hands on one side of the bars. Without going to those extremes it can still be quite useful in slippy conditions because you always have that extra skill to fall back on if it slides when you weren't expecting it. I wouldn't try to get it to go peg down straight away but you can certainly begin practicing lean in a straight line and the more you get used to it the easier and further you can go. I will say it can take quite a bit of strength when you're really leaning it depending on the bike because you're effectively holding its weight up at an angle. Have a try at doing it mildly and post back with the results. I have a feeling you will enjoy it.
@dgphi Жыл бұрын
@@siraff4461 Okay, I get you now. I counter-balance when going in a straight line to avoid mirrors when filtering through traffic. You can move the top of the bike a little way very quickly like that.
@thezackseven Жыл бұрын
You should also add that before cornering that shifting one weight from the seat onto the inside footpeg will lower the center of gravity and the bike will naturally turn in just like skying.
@The340king Жыл бұрын
It can be done on some tire profiles much easier than others. I never worried about it. On my RC51 it was incredibly easy to use the entire tire. It was impossible to do on the rear tire on my NC30 due to the tire profile. The NC30 was much more flickable than the RC51. Don't worry about it and enjoy the ride.
@brianperry Жыл бұрын
l agree some tyre profiles are more aggressive than others. Some have a constant curve whilst others have a variable curve...its all a case of what suits you and the geometry of the Bike...
@frenchmirage6711 Жыл бұрын
My VFR RC46 was easyer than a scooter... and my new Royal Enfield GT 650 thrills me with its 130 rear tire.
@bobrose7900 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video! The point about suspension is so valid. Race circuits allow you to go faster and lean more - but billiard table v. gravel track is the difference, to say nothing of metal surfaces like manhole covers and diesel spills! Book a track day and shred that tyre and then you'll be a hero...
@Xshunin Жыл бұрын
Holy shit I have been so anxious because I always thought I am too scared to lean and I break so I don't have to lean. This video just took ALL OF IT away in the first two minutes. THANK YOU!
@marcos.1771 Жыл бұрын
And what exactly do you break?
@mr.rogers1019 Жыл бұрын
Had a dude that owned a motorcycle shop that was a friend of mine. He would sell me used racing tires Because the chicken strip was the only part of the tire worn down and the center part was still OK. Because they were used the tire was only 1/3 the price of a brand new tire. Also everybody thought I was some kind of racing Nut because the tires were So warn on the side. Great way to Not get teased about your chicken strips and save a lot of money at the same time!
@PLVC3BO Жыл бұрын
Sir, this isn't a tire shop, this is a Chick-Fil-A!
@robertw413 Жыл бұрын
Different tyres have different profiles too. Some you should definitely be at the track if you are on the edge. My current Metzelers are amazing tyres but the lean you need to get to the edge is too much for the street.
@yeetsinofmemes8115 Жыл бұрын
i have no chicken strips and actually dropped onto the bead once (that tiny bit of the tire ear the rim i think?) and i can tell you i regret leaning it that much. ive since stopped leaning so much and going so fast too. the bike feels smoother and the ride is so much more calm and enjoyable instead of trying to race around everywhere
@casper5360 Жыл бұрын
So true, motorcycle safety school taught me about counter steering and using front and rear brake trailing and stopping skills. Like he said the margin of safety is diminished when trying to achieve chicken strips. I learned that the hard way following someone I trusted into a double apex turn onto a ramp he didn't warn me about. The second apex I was able to lean lower saving myself and the bike. I actually exited off the ramp before him scraping the foot peg slightly and out of the turn into a slight wheelie. The chicken strip hazing has to stop and thank you so much for this informative video. Keep em coming. 😊Oh yeah, you might have to stop mid turn also because of traffic and in a blind turn, so pay very close attention to what he is saying.
@briannixon9237 Жыл бұрын
All great advice! Especially the last part about possibly having to stop mid turn 👍
@looseparts Жыл бұрын
You probably just saved my life. A: I have a sportbike with a big fat rear tire. B: I park at my university (where I work) near other bikes and notice some use more of the tire than I do. C: Enter feelings of inadequacy. D: Just this week I honestly considered getting out and forcing more edge-scruffiness to be more E: I'm 71, been riding for 55 years and you'd think I'd be immune to such juvenile concerns. But now... I'm going to watch the 2nd half of your vid, like & subscribe.
@Ralph2 Жыл бұрын
Same age and experience as you. I always think of Marty McFly in Back to the Future. It's always tempting if people goad you to 'show them what you're made of'. In the end analysis non of it means a thing. Upside is at best a few brief moments of self-satisfaction and the downside can be a long painful stay in hospital or worse. Stay cool and keep riding! 🤘
@thomasbouvier3203 Жыл бұрын
Well what he explains have also a huge impact. He tell you about clearance and safety. But what if you have to avoid something. Well if your bike is straight and you lean your body, then you can lean the bike or unlean your body faster. I rode a lot even if I am young. Way too much people caring about this and turning with leaned as hell bike and driver straight. Looking dummy and totally unsafe 😅 Also! Everyone need to learn to drive at their pace no matter the bike. Way too many overdrive 😅
@johncunningham4820 Жыл бұрын
Yes Young Man . Totally correct . Pushing the Bike Down is a Carpark/U-turn technique . NOT a fast cornering technique . Weight Transfer = Fast AND Safe .
@locoocho2415 Жыл бұрын
Who cares about chicken strips? It's all about safety first. Great video motojitsu 👍
@SimonM5 Жыл бұрын
I never got rid of my chicken strip's till I enrolled in a riders course at my local track and lucky enough to have a national superbike rider as a guest instructor. A bit of theory, help with bike set up, a few guided laps and they let me loose.....chicken strip's gone and wasn't even trying and I'm an average slow rider. It happens when it's necessary 👍 great content.
@nialkelly7582 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant :) Plus, you got your 'chicken strips' for when they may be seriously needed .. gotta live to ride!
@Stacy_Smith Жыл бұрын
DUDE! A year ago I had about 5 months experience. I was still lean steering (aka subconscious countersteering) up until a month before my bike went in the shop. So as of 02-10 I had about 5 months experience with about a 1 year pause (supply chain issues) after that 5 months. Today? 1.75 to 2 spaces FULL LOCK solo and 2 spaces damn near full lock with a 120 pound passenger (not as brave with a passenger) u-turns. That's on top of achieving OH-350 WB. Oh yeah. I didn't tell you what I was doing while my bike was in the shop a year. I WAS WATCHING YOU!!! I was watching others as well but mainly you. I was unable to "Shut up and practice", but that didn't stop me from shutting up and educating myself! THANK YOU DEVIL DAWG!!!
@MotoJitsu Жыл бұрын
Nice!!
@jayf4210 Жыл бұрын
Spoken like someone with big chicken strips! Just kidding, good explanation of lean angle and you’re spot on with cruiser riding. Leaning further with my body made riding much easier.
@michaelarchangel1163 Жыл бұрын
I'm 66 next month and have been riding for 50 years. I think that years ago, when I owned heavy bikes {like the 1976 Kawasaki Z900 and others} which had a high centre of gravity and comparatively skinny tyres, I tended to have to lean off the bike a lot more than I have to do nowadays, and am pretty sure that virtually if not all of the tyre saw some action. As it happens, I did check my tyres today, after turning on my manual chain oiler, to make sure I hadn't overdone things and oiled up the left side tyre wall and saw that there's a fair bit of unblemished rubber on both front and rear tyres. I'm not bothered at all, in fact, at my age, any time I get back home in one piece is a definite win ! Best regards from Burry Port, West Wales.
@UncleWally3 Жыл бұрын
As a 70 year old Canadian I’ve enjoyed decades of perennial pilgrimages “down South” to Deals Gap and Suches. Were it not for wheelchairs, the idea of chicken strips as a badge of honor would have been an entertaining source of fiction around the campfire. Second only to scarring out feeler pegs with a hand grinder, the whole phenomenon has the stench of burnt brain cells and hubris. Sadly, even with my self righteous attitude, I still take a peek at feeler pegs and chicken strips . . .
@1001CP Жыл бұрын
I have been riding all kinds of bikes for over 50 yrs and I still can not believe that with all the great info content here and other places that chicken strips is even a thing! ANY decent place will shot the tires, suspension, body position, braking and more is better using the normal tire surface, suspension, brakes, etc, exactly as you point out. I guess bad info sticks around no matter how disproved. Anyway, as always, a great informational video my friend. Keep doing what you are doing since bikes, equipment and techniques change and as riders it should not matter how much riding time you have- but staying current with the best practice for what you are riding NOW! Stay safe and well my friends.
@theonlyredspecial Жыл бұрын
Yep. Always found it funny. My friend is a pretty well known track rider in Northern Ireland who has raced at the north west and Isle of Man. He always said if you are using the edges of your tyre on the road then you are at a point you shouldn’t be at because you are reducing safety margins. Also know a few people who go around a roundabout at 20 mph to get rid of them so they can pretend they are ‘cool’. 😮
@mbal4052 Жыл бұрын
What’s his name?
@stestar09 Жыл бұрын
Anyone that goes around the roundabout more than twice is - lost 😂 in more ways than 1
@yumyumbaboon Жыл бұрын
I seem to remember that John Mcguinness was riding a road bike once and someone commented on his chicken strips to which he replied something like “well I’m not in a race”! 😁
@marsmellow1589 Жыл бұрын
I do that too and to look even cooler i sand down my kneesliders.
@Officialnrb Жыл бұрын
@@yumyumbaboon I understand he went racing because he was mental on the road.
@wildcami Жыл бұрын
You jus made me realize why I love so much to ride on my own and This video makes me actually feel quite happy about that! I have watched some of your videos when I just got my driving license and had no idea how to corner and have been always practicing cornering techniques on my own and at my own speed , which is supposedly lower when you haven’t really got it yet 😜! THANK YOU WERE VERY MUCH HELPFUL !
@rudedog3529 Жыл бұрын
A good example of body position vs lean angle can be seen in this video. The bikes we caught up to within 2 miles, has a 20 second head start. They were leaned way the hell over ( CBR 1000 and R 1 ) . My bud on an SV 650, I'm on " Ole Yeller " 9 years ago. kzbin.info/www/bejne/apeyi2hnadKIesk
@jacquesmartin9741 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, especially the part you say " lm leaning my bike over enough to make the corner!" Yeah , l use my body as much as l need to make the corner and keep as much tire patch on the pavement as possible.
@NJsBiker Жыл бұрын
I honestly dont comment very often but love this, I love the approach and the factual way of explaining. I hear this all the time and people thinking they are quicker because they are using all of the tyre its rediculuos! great work!
@wendymotogirl Жыл бұрын
This video is the best! I get so sick of the clichés you hear from motorcyclists. (and everyone else, including myself!)
@ncjay08 Жыл бұрын
I've gone in the opposite direction. I've been trying to see how long my chicken strips can last after installing a new tire. At street speeds it's a bit stupid to lean over that far anyway.
@observingrogue7652 Жыл бұрын
I design & build bikes for personal use. Ever since I saw MikeOnBike's video about Motorcycle Geometry. I decided the best Center-Of-Gravity for me, is as high & center-of-wheelbase as possible. As centered between the wheels as possible, so I can easily change directions like a mid-engined car. And the center-of-gravity as high as possible, so I don't have to lean as much to do a corner. The higher center-of-gravity is part if the reason why Supermotos corner faster then sportbikes. Yes, this means It's harder to pick up my bikes, if I ever drop them. And it's harder not to wheelie or Endo. But as you said. The safety margin of lean I have left to use, the suspension, and other benefits are worth it to me. And I realized if a vehicle can do a wheelie or a stoppie/endo, then that means the load transfer & grip on that tire is so strong, it's able to flip the whole thing. I can live with wheel lift for now, and besides, I've developed the habit of swerving or braking wide to avoid accidents, instead of just braking straight, and risk flipping, or locking up the front and having it slip out from under me. I'm very prudent, and can avoid many surprises. But swerving around or away from the hazard, has helped me more then trying to stop. More reason for my high C.O.G. decision. Now the only design decision I'm struggling with is narrow or wide tires. Fat Bicycles and the Yamaha TW200, has shown me how great wide tires are. Be it rocks, tree roots, or garbage roads like NYC. Wide tires just soak it all up, protects rims/hubmotors, and have amazing grip, even on mud, sand, and snow, buuut, like Moto GP vs Moto3, wider tires make a bike lean more, and are so heavier. Narrow tires are so agile, don't have to lean as far, are so efficient, and instead of floating on lose ground, they cut into it for cornering, which is why dirt bikes, and even big, strong ADV bikes use such narrow tires. But, I can't use wheels & tires that are too narrow, because they can't handle bumps that well, and can't disparate heat that well, limiting my speed, power, and carrying capacity options. As you can see, I have a lot on my mind, chicken-strips are not one of them. Other than going to a parking-lot to scrub those parts of the tires in case I need them. Beyond that, chicken-strips are irrelevant to me. I do feel sad about that part of a tire getting wasted. Can't rebuild a tire. Center is worn to strands, or any part of the tire is damaged, then the whole thing has to be discarded. No matter how good the rest of it is. But like you said, it's unnecessary risk, my suspension don't work that way. And even if I could engineer some horizontal suspension for full-lean, I bet it would feel weird as hell, and any lockout for that horizontal suspension for EVERYTIME the bike is upright, would be over complicated, and another thing to go wrong & maintain. So F it.
@umbrellacorporation3206 Жыл бұрын
Hey Dude, in Germany we call IT Angstrand, (Fear Edge). If anybody is critisise me about Iit i have met a NO Brainer! Sorry for my english! In Love your Work!!👍🇺🇲🇩🇪
@TommyMakalele2 ай бұрын
servus aus Garmisch partenkirchen von ninja fahrer....
@thedrunkmonk8386 Жыл бұрын
Good to hear. I still had about an inch on my last bike and I remember some guy at work giving me a bit of grief last summer. I shrugged it off cause I stopped paying attention to that a few years ago, since riding is so much better once you ride your own ride. I can feel how I've improved over the years, just by the feel of the rides on my usual route, and I feel like I had good mastery of my bike. Still got to get into more courses now. Good to hear it put to words by an expert.
@dataterminal Жыл бұрын
I'm not afraid to lean, I'm afraid of the pain when I crash, again.
@EmoKen Жыл бұрын
GiT GuD
@Grahamvfr Жыл бұрын
In the 70s with rubbish tyres, luckily (yes I know TT 100s were good) our chicken strips were on the pegs, centre stand and exhaust pipes haha. Great point about body position.
@Th3Gr33k Жыл бұрын
Another big thing is the tyre profile. I had a bike that would have little strips on the back and larger strips on the front. Not because I was some road warrior but because it didn't take a lot for the rear to get there.
@jpad470 Жыл бұрын
My Diablo supercorsa front agrees! Even on track had a bit of strips left.
@NinjaZX6Rider Жыл бұрын
I hate this discussion, so many things go into tire wear. Agree with you 100%, learn to safely and properly take curves. Slow in fast out, learn the proper speed and gear for the curve. Also, you need to be aware of changing road conditions. Don't be trying to drag a knee on a public road, there's no need to get out of the seat, you are asking for trouble when you do. I ride aggressively, but I stay within my skill set. And I practice trying to improve my form, I have wrecked due to lack of knowing the road I was on and out riding my skills. Thank goodness for gear. Now I just try to improve my technique and let the speed come. I have worked on improving my line into curves.. I'm by no means an expert, I'm still improving. I just think too many people try to push others into an area they aren't ready for.
@hksoundpro Жыл бұрын
Once, on my ZX6R, I had a slow leak on my rear tire. It went undetected until the wife and I went to meet some other riders. Bike felt horrible, with my wife on the pillion. Got to our destination, just a brief 30km trip, and my tire looked like a track-day hero. Not only were the chicken strips gone, the edges of the tire were properly balled-up from hot running. The "fast guys" at our destination were looking in awe at the state of my tire, having just parked after riding two-up.
@lissettelopez8331 Жыл бұрын
When I bought my '10 Z1000 I never once touched the strips or popped the front end. This bile has superior torque, but I loved it, and used it how I wanted. When I got rid of it, the next guy wrecked it within weeks and injured himself with only liability to cover him. Now he's out an awesome bike and in an injury that will never fully heal. Who's to say he had more fun than I? Ride how you want, it's ultimately your body and your bike.
@jetstream454 Жыл бұрын
I'm glad I watched this. Lately I've been getting into the whole "lean the bike over" thing myself, but now will practice with leaning myself into corners from here on. Bit difficult with a big cruiser seat atm but not inpossible. 😂 Thanks for sharing
@KevinFreist Жыл бұрын
any cruiser can lean as long as the pegs and engine case allow. size doesnt matter once it is in motion and your body weight is the ballast control. my buddies road king is screwed though. he lowered it to look cool .now cant turn.
@heesanoice7637 Жыл бұрын
If you’re making it through the curves and turns without crashing , you’re leaning enough.
@wanderer7779 Жыл бұрын
Dude ride an Aprilia Rs660 and i have chicken strips 😅. It doesn't matter especially with the speed limits where i live if i had to lean the bike so low to get rid of them it would mean i am doing x3 the speed limit at least. And if i am riding at a slower pace what's the point of leaning the bike excessively it makes zero sense!
@frenchmirage6711 Жыл бұрын
The wisdom of a real pilot. Thank you for showing such good sense !
@ahmedk7815 Жыл бұрын
For anyone who wants to experience full lean on their motorcycle then go on track days. Being on the road is about safety. You wanna go fast, get off the road 👍🏼
@EmoKen Жыл бұрын
👺
@Supermankev2001 Жыл бұрын
THANK YOU As a former instructor and avid rider it is so good to hear proper instruction. I know many owners but very few riders. My Bike has 150000 miles on it. I have taken a lot of curves.
@c0nscr1ptx Жыл бұрын
Why lean my bike when I can get used tires from your crashed bike leaning? Work smarter, not harder
@stevefarrimond Жыл бұрын
although I agree with some points, i disagree wth others best informtion is, different rides and temperatures need different tyre pressures. yes, the suspension is less effective at lean, but that is what chasis flex if designed for. the edge of a tyre (the sort of tyre you are going to push) is going to be slick, often has a softer compound and the tyre profile gives a bigger contact patch at the side rather than the middle. the edge of the tyre isn' the end of grip, you simply go off the edge and the tyre deforms to maintain grip. if I'm already leant off the bike, standing the bike up isn't an option without scarificing speed. just my view.
@jerseyboycustoms Жыл бұрын
I'm not gonna lie, I only care about the chicken strips personally just cause when I go on a spirited cruise with the group, and I hit that untouched fresh rubber, it gets a little wild in that moment 😂😂 3 sets of tires and every damn time that rear likes to come out a bit to say hello to the front 😂🤣
@seebarry4068 Жыл бұрын
It’s depends on the bike. I always had a little bit on the sides of my Fireblade tyres, but obliterated edge to edge on my 1100s Multistrada. I didn’t try to, the bike just had a better feeling. That’s my take on it, I didn’t suddenly become great or anything. Maybe it was the wide bars and upright position 🤷🏻♂️
@Whos-That-Guy Жыл бұрын
My KTM 1190 gave me way more confidence on the track and the road than my blade. The lean probably isn't as great but something about those adventure bikes gives you more confidence.
@demisx Жыл бұрын
When all professional riders try to lean as little as possible. 😂
@kdsowen2882 Жыл бұрын
When I'm really in 'in-the-groove' on the-twistys' , it's about rythm and relaxed-fun , like a fun/hilarious motorcycle-dance , 'chicken-strips' are what I might be having for Dinner later-on . Dave NZ
@johnpflug1567 Жыл бұрын
Roosters like to see chickens strip........
@RaiderCBR6.5 Жыл бұрын
About ten years ago before the meet up for the canyon run some new guy pointed to my bike and said you have little chicken strips, then boasted he had none. At the time I was running dunlop KR. I said my rear is a 200/70 and you run 190/50. He said so, what does that have to do with anything. Nothing, you go ahead and lead Valentino. Never saw the dude again after that ride.
@Linykocour Жыл бұрын
TLDR of this video: If you have Chicken Strips = You are chicken! Trust me.
@strttrple765rs4 Жыл бұрын
You’re my hero bro..! Not all of us want to crash and die! It’s not about being chicken, it’s about being smart..! I paid good money for my bike, I want to enjoy it my way.! Don’t let others feed you bullshit on how you’re supposed to ride your bike.! You do you.!!
@stephenbellbell3925 Жыл бұрын
Do a schooling and learn body positioning. Preferably with slick tires to help with confidence. Then get a good track and street tire. Most sportbikes come with. Dont freak out when your knee touches ground. I've seen that happen too. If i can do 120+ with my knee down on a DOT tire that came on my CBR600, with confidence, anyone can!! But know the terrain! Dont go full lean where there is a potential oil or loose gravel. Highly recommend a recon lap where ever you plan to practice.
@christopherosully9456 Жыл бұрын
Ride naturally and they go away. Have a Harley street glide and don’t have much. And I don’t try. Just ride. Don’t push just enjoy and learn. Speaking of learning you help me push harder on my slow riding. That’s where I have troubles. Riding is fun and better when less dangerous
@daddylopez7089 күн бұрын
Yup yup @motojitsu you and couple other very knowledgeable rides I go looking for info from sometimes before even trying to deep dive the web cause you’ve prolly already covered the topic appreciate all you do stay safe but enjoy your self right lol THANKS!!
@MotoJitsu9 күн бұрын
Glad to help :) instagram.com/motojitsuclub/
@scudonepercenter Жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting this. It's far better to ride safe than to listen to people trying to dare you to do something that might make you crash.
@iamcecilman Жыл бұрын
I rode a KTM RC390 through some very hairy twisties and got very comfortable meeting it's limits at speed through corners. One thing I learned through practice was that the stock rear tyre was the wrong size for the bike to be leaned to the edge, it had a wider tyre than actually fit the bike because it was more pleasing aesthetically, a narrower tyre had a better profile and allowed the bike to lean further while maintaining good grip. I also learned that I could take corners at high speed (up to 3x the posted speed limit in some areas) by hanging off the bike and getting my knee and elbow down (by products of good body position, not trying to achieve these feats to create good body position, two different things) and I was able to scuff pads withhout maxing the bike's lean angle while maxxing it's cornering potential safely. On a track you could get a few extra degrees but on the street it certainly isn't worth it.
@TUONOv4 Жыл бұрын
As I’m learning to go faster, my bp is improving. Less lean angle at a higher speed. So much fun! Thank You!
@geoffreymckenzie5561 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Ive been riding for years and guilty of judging my own CS. This is why I really appreciate your videos.
@danielash9834 Жыл бұрын
This sounds good But I disagree for the same reason you make regarding margin If I need that part of the tyre in an emergency or fluke save I want it scrubbed in regardless of anyone Like you said the whole tyre can be scrubbed in in a controlled manner I do it periodically though the life of the tyre I scrubbed my new rear in this afternoon and gradually took it to the edge I’m now confident right to the edge and more importantly I’ve walked in the margin with margin for error I don’t need it to to go fast but it’s there if I need it
@jordanturner7917 Жыл бұрын
I have zero chicken strips on the rear, all the lettering is gone, and maybe an 8th of an inch up front but I dont think its from leaning that far. I lean in pretty deep but i think that the speed at which im leaning causes the tire to get hot and the strips expand further than the contact thats actually being made.
@russellgaskin7995 Жыл бұрын
No chicken strips equals no skin. I'd rather keep my skin thanks. Great advice!
@katherynscleaning5807 Жыл бұрын
I like the shirt "shut and practice." I never use more lean angle then I need. Yet I can use it all, no strips after I safely break-in a new tire. I wish we get rid of the chicken strips line. And refer to them as you need to lean the bike more, and just go slower until you do! Never judge. Brake front and back tell you see the exit, is what I always say.
@Enforcer_WJDE Жыл бұрын
In Germany we call those "Sicherheizstreifen" - meaning "Sicher" = Safety, "Heiz(en) " = to speed, "Streifen" = strip, which is basically an indicator of a safe driver. We do "make fun" of eachother though when the strip is just huge but not in a bad way. How much you have left though is so dependent on the geometry if your bike and tires. After having read a book about riding i have become a better rider just by integrating applying the new information. Most of it was really just a mental thing.
@ADOGGBOY Жыл бұрын
I'm really glad you addressed this nonsense, I have had the chicken strips argument for years ALONG WITH the you must not be skilled or your slow because you don't DRAG a KNEE in the TURNS! I've actually put money on myself to beat another sports bike rider because I got so sick of hearing this crap. I won , never had to, key word HAD TO drag a knee and beat a Gixxer brah on my dad bike a Suzuki gsx 650f a 578 pound wet weight sports touring bike. Non of those kids talk smack to me anymore or talk about my dad bike. PLEASE EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE THAT YOU DON'T NEED TO DRAG A KNEE UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A TECHNICAL RIDING REASON TO DO SO. IT'S GOT ALL THE SAME SAFETY AND STUPIDITY ISSUES AS CHICKEN STRIPS.P.S.. GREAT VIDEO new riders often need a real professional like you to know what is right and what is B.s. ! Thank you again. John P.
@JCoastr Жыл бұрын
My strips go away when I go to the track!!!🤣🤣🤣
@justinsmith293 Жыл бұрын
Sometimes you just gotta experience a scare. I thought for the longest time that you just gotta lean harder or whatever. But when I learned how to actually lean and ride, BODY/HEAD position!!! I became much better. I can dip corners at 90-120 depending on severity of the curve. Before, I was almost wiping out doing 60-85 by leaning incorrectly. Before thinking you’re cool, watch a video. Luckily I was only scared, and not hurt. Stay safe while you rip. Better technique, better ride
@Ulfstigandr Жыл бұрын
Facts. I was riding a pigtail in the Black Hills on my softail. Leanin to the max, hit the bridge joit, bounced my bike from the center of the lane to the mustard. Since i was already scraping i had no more room to go.
@ronvaughan8041 Жыл бұрын
I hit a pothole on The Moonshiner in North Carolina, on a curve. Not as bad, but the peg scraped from the bounce. Was glad I wasn't scraping the peg beforehand...
@doertedev Жыл бұрын
We call them Angststreifen (fear stripes) in German and they’re the first thing to go for new tires ❤
@amnforge Жыл бұрын
I've been riding for nearly 18 years, not once have I wrecked or crashed. It takes more skill to ride safely than dangerously. Always make it to the next ride mentality.
@mmorgz6622 Жыл бұрын
well, anyone looking at strips probably isnt too worried about saftey margines ect. i like to see how far you/i can lean it. my strips are gone within 20km of the new rubber going on. i love pushing the limits. makes for so much fun, boots up the adrenaline and makes me feel giddy 😅. i see wide strips, i know you dont push hard, you ride sparingly and probably just enjoy yourself. if i see little to no strip, i know you're like me and like to lay it down through the bends. there is no pressure for either end of the spectrum.
@factoryrider9537 Жыл бұрын
Most capable riders I know that are fast either on track or on the street have no chicken strips, it can say a lot about riders skill depending on treadwear, even with no chicken strips you can still have the safety margin, chicken strips only tell you about corner speed but nothing about acceleration out of the corner nor braking into it. Most people are never able to use the full tire potential at its lean angle, chicken strips or not.. an experienced rider can use the tire no matter the lean angle. I personally don't have chicken strips neither front or rear but never ride unsafe because I have the experience and knowledge to know the limits, I'm a motorcycle mechanic that rides hundreds of different bikes a year with different tires and setups. Chicken strips do tell you alot about the way someone rides and what he's willing to do which directly correlates to his skill. It's not a shame if you can't use the whole tire to its potential and neither are you a showoff if you have the skill to ride the tire on its sidewalk. Just never force something unnatural for you and go with the flow and increase gradually
@yzfr6806 Жыл бұрын
I agree to you for the street. But on the racetrack chickenstrips definitely holding up your cornerspeed (if you have good bodyposition)
@brianperry Жыл бұрын
I'm a Brit living in Spain, where the roads are usually very good in terms of surface plus of course unlike UK, it's not always raining! when l change my tyres the 'Chicken Strip' is usually about 15 mm ..(on the rear)..when its time to change...which means l ride my 2014 Triumph Street Triple consistently with that safety margin...
@PlayafoeLife Жыл бұрын
4:33 is like how I use to carve on my Grom. Except I’d put my leg up like a dog peeing, I had scraped my pegs doing this and almost ran out of pavement. I swear one time my knee must have been level with my shoulder, I almost died 💀
@ironmaiden8625 Жыл бұрын
I just finished Keith Code's California Superbike School(2 days). I'm a novice rider. Motojitsu nailed it!!!!
@hedonzx822 Жыл бұрын
Again, good comment 💪🏻💪🏾 I’ve learned long time ago that Ego is not my Amigo and showing some uncertainty&vulnerability is not a sign of weakness but a sign of strength.
@brookster2765 Жыл бұрын
As a relative amateur, i always thought body positioning was a part of leaning itself, like to lean you NEED to shift your body.
@MotoJitsu Жыл бұрын
Nope
@inspectorevo5704 Жыл бұрын
Great video! Kinda crazy how the idea of proper cornering seems to be lost these days. Then again is improper cornering still the number one cause of motorcycle crashes?
@SquishyDonut Жыл бұрын
I have friends who think that if you are entering corners, it must be like Rossi, Biaggi, etc. When I said to them why we can't do like in the tracks this and that, they all went dead silent like last year's calendar.