Chief Hanlon made the right mistake (Fallout: New Vegas Lore Explained)

[@Rensune]

The Chief just saw his last sunset RIP Kris Kristofferson

[@d.n5287]

9:28 Let's be honest here, none of us believed graham was dead when we first heard about him.

[@N_orte]

The Burned Man Walks!

[@thejuggernautofspades9453]

​@@N_orte shh keep your voice down, that name is taboo

[@joseybryant7577]

"Post-apocalyptic America is unforgiving." I'd say pre-apocalyptic America is too. That inflation was crazy.

[@N_orte]

Who or what will offer forgiveness in these trying times

[@timothyharris1125]

I'd say Pre-War U.S. was worse than Post-War U.S. Shit was crazier then before the Bombs and peoples minds weren't right in the head along with the massive fuel shortages. Honestly the Bombs dropping might very well had been a good thing for the world.

[@revanamell1791]

@@N_orte Holy Mothman forgives.

[@demodog7574]

@@N_orte the red eyed moth man is the guide to salvation.

[@kadecoleman4104]

@@N_orte i will offer forgiveness to anyone who deserves it 💜

[@PlagueDocterBella56]

RIP Kris Kristofferson. The world will never see your like again.

[@GamingWithVector]

RIP Chief Hanlon

[@yuuyakizami2133]

The NCR needed more people like Hanlon and Colonel Hsu, who cared.

[@thenoteworthy1298]

Those two, Andy, Sterling-

[@ThunderTheBlackShadowKitty]

Hanlon doesn't care, Hsu does.

[@PlagueDocterBella56]

@@ThunderTheBlackShadowKitty Hanlon cares about his men. That's why he's doing this.

[@Eadragonixius]

Every single playthrough I always try to keep chief Hanson alive if I can, because I just love his character An old mentor to the NCR rangers, who wants to keep everyone through the hell that is the fallout universe, and just hanging in there for his people

[@flutterrussia765]

RIP chief

[@cazador2711]

Part of growing up is realising that Hanlon was right

[@N_orte]

Lmao

[@sovietunion7643]

maybe not right, but understanding what someone might do for what they believe in

[@RabdoInternetGuy]

Alot of people say that its really interesting to listen to Caesar talk about Hegel, but honestly, for me its more interesting to liten to Chief ramble on about Baja

[@El_Santo_De_Cerote]

Nah, son. I needed that Ranger Sequoia then and I needed that Ranger Sequoia 4 hours ago.

[@wemusthavechannelstocommen619]

found this video and came to the comments to discuss exactly this. Though I'd decided to turn him in beforehand, I humored him and exhausted his dialogue options out of curiosity. Slowly realized that he's right, let him off the hook. It feels like something you'd do in real life, sitting down with an old man across the table and compromising for the big picture although it costs you a piece of your soul.

[@thejunktownsheriffkilliand4800]

Hopefully this js a transition towards longer videos. Loving them so far

[@N_orte]

I like going for 1 longer video/week!

[@Sambath-oc8ss]

I always adore Chief Hanlon. When you have crooks like Kimball and Oliver, it's always great to see someone that actually cares like Hanlon. Personally, I feel his actions are completely justified. The NCR was running itself too thin and was facing too many fronts to handle everything. Bitter Springs was left in desperation, they have to deal with Fiend a block away from their main camp, one of their most strategic points was lost to Lakelurks because the brass didn't believe them, Forlorn Hope was getting picked off bit by bit with no help. Hanlon at the radio could probably hear it all. He could see that there was little he could actually do with his higher-up ignoring him. He could see just how stupid Oliver's plan of defense was. The fact that the only reason he believes they have a chance is if Caesar is dying or dead just shows how little faith he has in the campaign. It was better if they retreated and build up their strength. It would have to take a miracle for them to win. Which it would have in the form of the Courier.

[@ultimatepunster5850]

While I have no real problems with the NCR, as I go for their ending in basically all my playthroughs, even I admit that Oliver is way too petty. Seriously got so butthurt over the Rangers victory over Hoover Dam that he does every possible thing in his power to subvert Hanlon. I've seen better behaviour from kindergartners. Oh if only I could get an NCR victory while also calling Oliver a jackass. I know you can throw him off the dam in a Yes Man ending but as much as I dislike him I don't really think he deserves to die over it.

[@some_shitposting_idiot3023]

The fiends having any proper presence near the ncr makes absolutely no sense Literally all they'd need to do to wipe the fiends out is have a few heavy troopers with regular troops and sniper support go out and deal with the fiends FFS a single ranger was able to make his way into vault 3 and survive

[@justinchoy476]

@@some_shitposting_idiot3023because they are well armed, organized, work with other groups to get supplies, and the ncr barely has any troops or supplies to go around minus all the issues that plague them currently at macarran

[@bensosnowski1128]

@@justinchoy476one sniper should be able to clear an entire fiend camp, if we are talking realistically. The only reason they don’t is because this is a video game. It could be map size constraints, or convenience for the player to have enemies nearby to fight.

[@Alex-yf4zi]

Fun fact from cut Post game voice lines we know More Was promoted to Brigedier General instead of Shu who is her superior as he has command over all ncr troops in Nevada, reason for this being More is a warhawk like Oliver and kimbal so they promoted her (even tho shu erned it) same basic reason why Oliver dosnt Listen to hanlon

[@SnakeRoadComicsOfficial3677]

Rest In Peace Kris Kristofferson 😔🕯️

[@JimmyJ1983]

Had no idea he was voice acting here 😢

[@Drave_Jr.]

There's also the bit about how Oliver Lee is so mad about the Rangers having won the First Battle of Hoover Dam, he's has them as the first line of defense on the dam, despite the fact they're snipers first and foremost. Really wished you could do something about that.

[@wiragregory9093]

You made the right call, dude. I mean, you know how the algorithm works-- for the most part, the top of the heaps of fallout content are usually represented by Nate and Oxhorn, but you have no idea how refreshing it is to see and hear new content of the old games being produced at such great quality. With the shorts you've been churning out? Honestly, watching through it at first, I thought you were just trying to capitalize on the notion of condensing such vast swathes of lore into a few seconds of fame, but DAMN was I wrong-- and I'm 101% glad for it. It feels like.. Unlocking the full version of your content, and though I absolutely LOVE your shorts, these videos definitely are what keeps me, and a lot of people going. Good on you, my guy. Mad respect for the grind, I'm sure you'll come out on top.

[@doktor.josefsweeney6227]

Yes!!! This is one of my favorite stories, it's awesome that you are covering it!!

[@N_orte]

mine too!

[@doktor.josefsweeney6227]

@@N_orte Heck yeah!!! Positivity!!!

[@ellis2553]

You never disappoint me with ur content

[@N_orte]

thank you. that's very nice of you to say!

[@TheOnlyRealGamerOnEarth]

Really digging these longer vids.

[@N_orte]

glad you like em!

[@hightymes7704]

Another thing is that the rangers are truly only 40-50 years old and is still very small- Chief Hanlon was quite literally there for the birth of that military branch so many officers probably would have been old squad mates and friends of Hanlons or people who were personally trained by him. No wonder the man didn’t want to see them sent on death missions; he probably remembered them from their boot camp/schooling days.

[@DylanMays55]

I’m excited for this series

[@sunset_sarsaparilla]

Great content! Hope your channel will grow in subscribers and likes soon, you totally deserve it

[@N_orte]

thanks!

[@trueakuma777]

Hanlon was a good man trying to do the right thing in an extremely difficult situation where the answers weren't easy. I respect what he tried to do and agree that he did the best he could considering the circumstances. This video was extremely informative and does an excellent job showcasing the amazing storytelling of Fallout: New Vegas, particularly in telling the story of one of the most interesting characters in the game. Thank you for this great video and stay safe out there!

[@gafftev]

Great content as usual. You should make a video about Mexico Pre war and Post war there's plenty of information to make a decent 3-5 min video about it

[@N_orte]

Thanks! We'll see. I'll add it to the list!

[@gafftev]

@@N_orte cool you responded

[@polocatfan]

I think he didn't do the right thing, but I 100% understand where he is coming from and why he did what he did and definitely shouldn't have been singled out.

[@eren34558]

I agree...in Mr. House's ending, you can have Hanlon become a politician...a good one

[@MikefromTexas1]

Kristofferson did a great job with his character, and the writing is very good. Can sit and listen to him talk about the Wasteland for hours.

[@PlagueDocterBella56]

RIP Kristofferson

[@MikefromTexas1]

@@PlagueDocterBella56 Yes😭

[@tictactic7909]

Great video, very entertaining!

[@N_orte]

thanks

[@poeticjustice473]

The idea of a series dedicated to “heroes of the wastes” sounds hectic. Really flushing out and appreciating notable individuals.

[@allbankbasalisk___2005]

You can also save him by killing Caesar and passing a speech check

[@jemru]

It's a sin how underrated your channel is

[@valen1429]

I'm sorry hanlon but your ranger tequila is just too good to pass up

[@devinmunroe5299]

You did a great job on this video and I hope you continue on with this series.

[@Ghost_Warrior1789]

you can also convince him to stop tinkering with reports...

[@N_orte]

yes, but the outcomes are very similar to keeping his secret

[@joshuadullano281]

This is a great series, can’t wait to see more

[@N_orte]

Thanks!

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

His best choice was keeping a Ranger Sequoia on him so I could take it.

[@Angry11B]

So, to those who think it's odd for Hanlon to alter field reports, I think it actually fits his character well. He's an old soldier, who's had more than his fair share of combat. Any officer in command of any unit cares for the safety and security of their men. Hanlon, rightly, I might add, believes that the NCR's war in the Mojave is unwinnable at the current stage its at, HOWEVER, too many politicians have made winning this war a focal point in their campaign to just pull out. Hanlon, understands fully what he's doing is not just treasonous, but could and likely HAS costed troopers their lives, however, because he believes that expediting the NCR's withdrawl from the Mojave region will save far more lives in the future, then the ones tragically ended by his ongoing scheme he can justify it to himself as not just looking out for his men (trying to get them home, fast) but also doing what he believes is best for the country. Many, many military leaders have in the past have publicly disagreed with the way wars/military strategy in general were being conducted. The biggest example I can think of is Douglas MacArthur being fired due to his public disagreement with Truman about tactics and strategy during the Korean conflict. Good military officers will do what they believe to be the best course of action for their men, even if it breaks regulations, laws, etc. Hanlon was just an officer doing what he thought was best for his men.

[@guyfierieprotectorofthesau6089]

Tactics and strategy is a very tame way of saying that MacArthur wanted to use a large amount of nuclear weapons to win.

[@elgenerico1315]

@@guyfierieprotectorofthesau6089 He wanted to nuke half of China.

[@rimaq_]

​@@guyfierieprotectorofthesau6089yeah, literally very whitewashing way of saying that MacArthur was a racist who wanted to genocide Koreans because they rather be self reliant than a US puppet

[@ThunderTheBlackShadowKitty]

Hanlon was 100% wrong in everything he did in this quest. That cannot be debated. You said it yourself - his sabotage was actively making their situation worse. Had Hanlon actually done his job properly and NOT sabotage, the NCR's position would be a lot better. MacArthur was fired due to him being an out of touch old man who was far too hawkish on foreign policy.

[@Cattywampus775]

I love how much chief hanlon cared he was truly a legend of the wasteland ❤

[@Thunderchicken69]

He’s also voiced by the legendary Kris Kristofferson, one of the GOATs in my opinion, go listen to “Sunday Mornin’ Comin’ Down” if you’ve never heard any of his music, it’s all phenomenal.

[@lorddodge2867]

Not to forget that he's also got a respectable acting career

[@JesusPedroParada]

Best video on the outcomes of this quest, thank u, make sure to get on top of starfield when it comes out, it could help u grow

[@kaldordraigo6420]

Randall Clarke

[@N_orte]

He’s definitely on the list! Though Synonymous already has a video on him and WiseFish is working on one, so Randall Clark probably won’t be anytime soon.

[@kaldordraigo6420]

@@N_orte ok I've watch Synonymous video on Randall Clarke But he is still top 5 people on the list I would consider legends in their own right like president Tandi but Randall Clarke story is so heartbreaking for a story in a video game plus you make great videos keep up the great work I love your videos they are S teir

[@ronnie9379]

I thought Hanlon souded like he was doing a good thing, but then the game gave me the dialogue option "That's crazy". And I thought what's crazy?? What did I miss? Then I said "Your secrets safe" and he said "I don't know if you're working for Caesar or what" And I was like oh shit the game is telling me that I'm doing the bad option, so I reloaded a save and said I'd turn him in. he shot himself and I was like "Oh well guess that's the good ending"

[@rolandyamel6376]

This is solid home boy keep it up!

[@damianrodriguez7165]

I believe the Legion winning the Hoover Dam Battle is good for the wastelands in the long run, now before you label me as a Legionboo let me say this very clearly first, I don't like the legion or believe in anything they propagrate. If the Legion wins then the incompetent higher ups would be replaced by public opinion, Oliver will be replaced by Hanlon who is more experienced in guerilla warfare and warfare in general, and Kimball will be dead by assassination in a twist of irony. This will obviously weaken the NCR but if you help the NCR but let help the Legion win the Battle then they can easily regain the upper hand as the Legion supply line will be stretched to its limits and with Hanlon in charge of the military they'll be facing a more experienced, hardened, and very angry populace.

[@damianrodriguez7165]

The legion will crumble into infighting, especially if you let Caesar die to his tumor. No matter how you look at it the Legion will lose before the third battle for Hoover Dam even happens [If that ever happens]

[@karmitdafruge1]

The ending where he sewer slides is very sad, he really seems like a good guy.

[@artemisarrow179]

Amazing how one NPC most causal players will never meet has more character than all Fallout 4 npcs combined

[@aceherb1755]

Please keep these coming!!!

[@Raymok2]

please keep up the great work, i love your videos 🖤

[@edmundsavalas192]

Finish the quest plus got Ranger Sequoia, Big W. No matter what bad or good that Chief.

[@medwut]

Awsome vid I love learning about fallout lore 🎉

[@thefallout_guy]

great video my man

[@N_orte]

Thanks, Gemini!

[@w_ldan]

Im still salty about Moore burning NCR resources on attrition war with BoS.

[@w_ldan]

I doubt Elijah will even think NCR worth allies, but there are better way to handle the BoS other than attrition, better just let the ranger sabotage them or just f off and go back west.

[@aaryntaylor]

N_orte video = Playback speed 1.5

[@peachykeen3335]

I actually installed a mod that allowed you to tell him that Caesar has a brain tumor, which both allows him to live and stop his misinformation.

[@blandoblando1172]

There’s A lot Of “This Is The Right Way/Choice” Videos On New Vegas And Every Opinion Is Different . I Suppose They Gave That Many Options To Let The People Playing Choose Their Views And Morality

[@cfroi08]

I think this video leaned me towards a Mr. House/Independent Ending, especially his story about Baja. Why kill everyone coming to the water hole (NCR/Legion) when it should be it's own entity. Besides, if the NCR won I feel like Kimball would order them further east and create a new no-mans land standoff with the Legion, and of course there would still be a logistical nightmare. You can still be punchy and not support the NCR, even the Rangers don't stand entirely with them.

[@Achilles420]

I like the voice actor based on Vietnam vets he known

[@jordanmagpiebulletYT7978]

Amazing video

[@RadDoctor1996]

Thanks

[@Chris-zr2jk]

Always liked Hanlon, hence hating the end to that quest. If possible, I'd side with NCR and still toss Oliver.

[@Alex-yf4zi]

Sadly no

[@lilyofshalott]

Never realized the NCR troops did a sideways retreat in the 1st battle, not sure I have heard of something like that being done without the use of cavalry or a second group with the intent to flank and rout like with Hannibal in 2nd Punic (except less retreating and more staying still) or the bull and horns with Shaka Zulu. Any military history nerds know a historical example of this single sideways movement of the vanguard with the retreat of a ranged unit behind it? Or any other unit, I suppose, since the specifics of fallout make it really different from historical warfare.

[@ForTheFREEMAN]

Fantastic!

[@blade_pooper2397]

What’s the song at 9:46?

[@MiloMusicCh]

You should make one with Colonel Hsu!

[@servitor5435]

hope you make one for Colonenl Hsu

[@G0kia]

Anyone know the song at the start and at the end?

[@andyki2009]

why did 110 peaple dislike? this is a perfectly good video

[@solexen3184]

No way you can see dislike counts

[@punished4890]

@@solexen3184 prolly youtube vanced or smth

[@N_orte]

I see 2

[@marilynlucero9363]

I see 12

[@youarenotmadenough655]

🤠

[@bobrob2663]

Do you plan on creating a discord server

[@bensosnowski1128]

I disagree with hanlan. Great khan training deathclaws is not going to get the ncr to pull out of the war. It’s just going to send hanlan to a psych ward

[@PlagueDocterBella56]

No one knows it was him who sent that message. Is that the only thing you disagree with him on?

[@ace_7901]

I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but the title is missing an D. 😔 I couldn't watch the video because of this.

[@finlay9616]

You're dumb. Your comment is missing a point

[@N_orte]

good catch

[@ace_7901]

Ah in that case it's all good then lol. Great video btw, you never disappoint with longer fallout lore videos.

[@winicjusz8827]

The Veteran Who Asked

[@N_orte]

I asked

[@L_H_Bruh]

Once he realizes he was wrong he commits suicide so yeah definitely not out of character

[@upandaljm]

You forgot rox a sick Beard

[@logangate6049]

Epic

[@rexdarvog]

If this was real, the way I see it, Hanlon had lost his nerve. His sabotage was shortsighted, and he was one step away from becoming a coward. Although it was respectable because he cared, giving misinformation after losing your senses is no different than throwing a hand grenade into your commander's foxhole so you could prevent going into battle. The NCR needed a leader who marches with an iron fist and learns from their mistakes or defeat, hence why the Courier is a single grain of rice that tips the scale. If you can't fight, go home. I'll raze the whole Legion with a Fatman and the King's cyberdog myself, with or without you.

[@PlagueDocterBella56]

Well, the Courier isn't just a single grain of rice are they. Realistically, it's crazy that everything gets done by a single person (much less that same person goes on to save the world or at least the west three separate times). The problem is also that the NCR doesn't have a leader in control. President Kimbal is keeping all the best soldiers tided up fighting for the brahmin barons while keeping his best buddy, the laughably incompetent General Oliver, in charge of the Mojave campaign.

[@rats703]

Wow

[@ilrathCXV]

Gotta say that Independent New Vegas is by far the best ending. Let's hope that is the canon ending is a sequel is ever visitied.

[@logie263]

Only sain Ncr person of power

[@zachattack5742]

I'll admit, I personally like Hanlon and Colonial Hsu because they are two who care about their people and the people that they want to save. Kimball, Oliver, and Moore are too political.

[@N_orte]

It’s tough when caring means making your own sacrifices

[@sunayocarissime5309]

Is this still debated a lot? Yes what Chief Hanlon did was kind of messed up. Falsifying reports to put soldiers on the frontlines into bordering on a nervous wreck that maybe a brawl in the Mojave or Hoover Dam might be a bad idea, but when you were dealing a force like Caesar's Legion, who were notorious for using non-conventional tactics, sometimes just the very notion can keep a standing army's eye on the ball, just to anticipate possibilities. A complacent army, is a dead army no matter how well equipped it is and sometimes psychological warfare is MUCH more important than actual boots on the ground. More importantly though, Hanlon knew that with New Vegas milking their forces dry on revenue, the Legions same guerilla tactics and possible same results with the Great Khans, it was only a matter of time before it might have caused the NCR to buckle under its own weight. You can literally ask any number of soldiers that the NCR's sinkhole politics and what was costing them. When scouts first got Hoover Dam it was just greed on the NCR's governing body that got them interested, not actually protecting their own citizens/soldiers, kind of like how our CURRENT government is sometimes. Sharon Cassidy is absolutely right, "ever had a brother, an idiot brother who knocked up the Pastors wife and his home away is padded cell? That's NCR, their compass is spinning all the time." It makes me wonder if and when the NCR might make it all the way into Texas or even the Eastern Seaboard.

[@bro_chicken4793]

This video reminded me of chicken

[@N_orte]

I am the Chic-king

[@bro_chicken4793]

@@N_orte where’s the chicken in your videos then?

[@ThunderTheBlackShadowKitty]

Chief Hanlon was WRONG! If he had any amount of optimism and balls, he would've denounced Oliver, denounced Kimball and ordered his rangers to come up from Baja ASAP. He should have subverted their orders and INSIST that he knows better, because he does. Instead, he took the wrong path, the coward's path, and chose sabotage. The troopers AND rangers both would have respected Hanlon's show of force had he openly defied Oliver & Kimball. He won the dam. You might say "well they'd just fire Hanlon" NOPE WRONG! If that were true, NCR's top brass woulda been out on their ass a long time ago. Hanlon has too much power to simply be removed. He has the people's love. The NCR is far stronger than what Hanlon believes. His rangers have almost infinite talent. They annexed Vegas. Money & supplies are pouring in from California. Their numbers are vastly superior to the Legion. Hanlon is not only wrong but stupid for thinking he can get the NCR to pull out. Allocating NCR's resources efficiently is all they need to win against the Legion. Colonel Hsu represents the best of the NCR. Chief Hanlon represents the worst.

[@PlagueDocterBella56]

A. General Lee Oliver represents the worst. B. They have not annexed Vegas. C. Money and supplies are not coming in. D. All the NCR's best men are off fighting battles for the rich brahmin barons. E. Look up General Douglas MacArthur. Beloved soldiers can and will be fired for going against their superiors F. The NCR can't allocate their resources for shit. G. Even if they could, they still have the Brotherhood of Steel, the Great Khans, the Omertas, the Fiends, the Jackals, the Vipers, the Scorpions, the Greasers, the Powder Gangers, and the 80's that they can't deal with.

[@robot_girlyman1556]

New, better oxhorn?

[@demodog7574]

Equal so far

[@gaynewretzky8467]

Hello

[@N_orte]

hi

[@gaynewretzky8467]

I love your videos! I don’t play much fallout anymore but the lore is one of the best parts of the series. Thanks for making great videos every time.

[@AmericanBrit9834]

Honestly, the more I think about it, the more I hate Hanlon.

[@PlagueDocterBella56]

Why?

[@AmericanBrit9834]

@@PlagueDocterBella56 He's basically endangering people in order to retreat and therefore render all the sacrifices in the Mojave useless. Also leaving all those here basically to the wolves that are the legion. He's doom and gloom and wants to drag the NCR down with him. TLDR He's a bigger threat to the NCR than Oliver or Kimball and worse he thinks he has the moral high ground.

[@AmericanBrit9834]

@@PlagueDocterBella56 Basically he's a general that is trying to intentionally destroy morale and is a bigger threat to the NCR than Kimball or Oliver.

[@AmericanBrit9834]

@@PlagueDocterBella56 Basically he's a general that is trying to intentionally obliterate morale and is a bigger danger to the NCR than Kimball or Oliver.

[@AmericanBrit9834]

@@PlagueDocterBella56 He's a hypocrite. He claims to hate how many lives are being sacrificed and then proceeds to put *more* lives in danger by spreading false information. He also takes the coward's way out and refuses to take responsibility.

[@15stars]

Play apex, do challenges and explain the lore as well. Your channel will grow massively.

[@creepingsawg]

LoL

[@Hollow7659]

E

[@N_orte]

E

[@punished4890]

E

[@marilynlucero9363]

E

[@solidshot6600]

Did hanlon self delete because he didn’t want to face repercussions or was he too black pilled?

[@Johnthecardboardsmileyface]

🤠

[@rats703]

Wow

[@TyqueviousG]

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