Chief vs Atriox | Anatomy of a Punch

[@Ollie24JS]

Atriox after he throws Chief out the ship: "Ow, my fucking head."

[@agentnukaz1715]

I was ganna like your comment but it's been chief approved 👌

[@alidanial888]

"My stomach hurts."

[@SirMattomaton]

*proceeds to urinate blood for a week*

[@kyleshepard3139]

@@SirMattomaton “BLEGH! Gonna whiz red!” Some white and purple refrigerator probably

[@SaeParsan]

@@Ollie24JS the real reason he was missing: recovery time

[@NetVoyagerOne]

For reference, a Tyrannosaurus Rex had a maximum bite force of 35,000 to 57,000 Newtons. Chief punches 3 to 5 times harder than a Tyrannosaurus bite. And Atriox took it like it was nothing.

[@jimbothegymbro7086]

I think it did hurt, he just ignored the pain and likely dislocation because he's just that much of a beast

[@FrostbiteDigital]

Jiralhanae are built different. Living breathing roided monsters

[@mattmc9812]

@@Thewho3949 it's probably going to be a combined effort between the arbitrator and chief to bring him down

[@FrostbiteDigital]

Jiralhanae are truly built different. literal gods of testosterone and steroids (KZbin STOP REMOVING MY COMMENTS IT DOESN'T BREAK GUIDELINES FFS!)

[@ALLMINDmercenarysupportsystem]

​@thekidwhoreviews3949 Ye, that's not happening. Arbiter is a highly skilled swordsman and probably a great marksman as well, but a close range fight won't have Arby winning.

[@O_Godz]

Atriox simply had tougher plot armor

[@Senkuda]

Exactly, that Shoryuken should have had Atriox's jaw come clean off, but Atriox is as strong as the plot needs him to be.

[@Grimpy970]

He's smarter than cortana too apparently! Don't forget the other smart AI he bested in halo wars. Don't forget that he has the only prosthetic in any game or book that works like that, despite all of their technology being directly ripped off of the covenant. Don't forget that him and his followers are de-facto immune to the flood super-cell. Because.. reasons! I'm so tired of this Mary-sue arbiter ripoff. His very presence cheapens everything that came before and ruins arguably the best villain in all of science fiction

[@ashh.1765]

I took it as, he had energy shields on. They just didn't show it in the cinematic for artistic license.

[@ApexJnr]

When you get the paid DLC.

[@_The_Seeker_]

@@SenkudaAnd what, Master Chief doesnt? You fan boys glaze tf out of him but anybody else and its excuses

[@GoofysBandit]

That "rock'em sock'em robots" style bodyshot/uppercut combo Chief does, has been living in my head rent free for 2 years. There's something about it I love. Chief does that jump uppercut so confidently that it looks like gold coins are supposed to pop out of Atriox's head 😂

[@firstnamelastname9237]

Was legit just thinking it reminded me of a mario jump lol

[@Curleyconcon]

He was probably hoping it would snap Atriox's head back so hard it would just pop off completely.

[@tdjkhazard4522]

Nice Mario comparison 😂

[@Kellethorn]

Lmaooo

[@tr0n4556]

Look man theres one thing 343 has learned how to deal well that that's make spartans look cool as hell.

[@dan240393]

He hit Atriox in the chin... with a mid-sized, passenger jet. We can definitely infer that no-one at Bungie or 343i has ever even considered the numbers.

[@Aden_III]

And then fans have the nerve to say we’re just butthurt

[@petersandoval8214]

What

[@alertedcoyote7892]

Well hang on, idk what Bungie has to do with this, they didn't make Infinite. And as for 343, I'm just as happy to shit on them when they do something dumb as anyone else, but this isn't one of those times. Would you prefer Halo 5, where the Spartans fought like they were moving through syrup?

[@chromab7713]

I was thinking that it should be considered the brutes are a warrior born hybrid of a bear, a gorilla, and a baby mammoth, so those punches didn't just hit bone square...but I don't think any amount of bone, fat and fur are supposed to allow you to simply shake off a car crash on the spot.

[@Nedak2003]

Clearly Atriox has the genes of a Halo 2 Brute

[@jhnyjoejoe69]

people like to cry that the H2 Brutes are spongy but the Brutes and other enemies in Infinite literally have like x10 or x20 the health of those H2 Brutes. The health for the Chieftains is like x10 that, and for the red hunters through the game it's ridiculously high. In Legendary you can literally waste all your clips on your weapon and they will still be standing. Halo 2 Brutes went down with less than a clip of a carbine, about half a clip.

[@totalygamingtemplar]

@@jhnyjoejoe69 the point of the chieftains is that they are a threat and you should be scared to fight them

[@jhnyjoejoe69]

@@totalygamingtemplar they aren't more difficult they are just super bullet sponges. Nothing that isn't a boss with a healthbar should take a weapons entire ammo reserve. A group of red hunters took all the ammo in 3 weapons plus a bunch of hornet rockets. Which is ridiculous. Spent about 30+ minutes fighting them i was almost convinced they were Invincible. Only other explanation is it was a bug. Also I beat 95% of Halo 2 Legendary 0 deaths, 0 skips, every enemy cleared. I beat 100% of the rest of the Bungie Halo games like that, and Halo 4, plus Spartan Ops. So I've played Halo for over a decade. The speed of the final Brute Chieftain is unrealistic and that part of the game plays like Doom Eternal where you have to run, jump, and quickly use all your equipment on rotation to win that fight on Legendary, the problem is rotating equiment fast is weird and clunky on controller. Halo isn't Dark Souls or Doom Eternal and it shouldn't play like them. Breaks the pacing and feels like im playing other games with Halo modded onto them.

[@jhnyjoejoe69]

@@totalygamingtemplar plus my point is people cry about bullet spongy Brutes in H2 but completely over look that in Halo Infinite. Doesn't matter if "they're supPosEd to be thAt wAy" cuz so are the Halo 2 Brutes.

[@totalygamingtemplar]

@@jhnyjoejoe69 oh, I'm playing though halo 2 with my dad rn, and have not fought any brutes yet. I doubt they are as spongy as people say, I think it's just complaints about the brutes being 1d enemy's to fight

[@commandingsteel]

pretty sure Atriox died of an aneurysm off screen after cheifs uppercut

[@FrostbiteDigital]

He's still alive...

[@commandingsteel]

not in my head cannon @@FrostbiteDigital

[@homelochino3864]

Literally

[@carlos.daniel.santmaria5477]

He should have, but the plot still need him alive...so no. But yeah, even if the punches did not destroy his skull, his brain should have been turn into mush inside his skull. Because, I mean, you can make your bones and muscles stronger, but your brain? That is a delicate organ in all living creatures. Unles Brutes have some sort of impact dampening adaptation in the anatomy of their heads. Similar to some real life animals on earth. Like wood peckers or Mountain Goats, and Bison ...Only that Brutes would need to have substantially stronger impact absortion.

[@m4x927]

Chances are he came out of this encounter with a few broken ribs from those punches. Judging by how he responded to those punches to his sides.

[@panzermensch1577]

Chief throwing punches that weight more than modern ships.. God damn

[@SuperAerie]

I just assume our friend Atriox has some spicy augementations of his own along with some suit enhancements

[@WolfeSaber]

He did need a glove for the hand that took a plasma sword through it.

[@gjtrue]

Same thing I thought.

[@gusderosa7959]

Add to that, he doesn't suffer the dogmatic belief structure of the covenant and I would hazard a guess that he's as open minded about physiological augments as he is about recruitment

[@vitobratta_WL]

@@WolfeSaber didnt he just grab inbetween the blades? It didn't look like it went through his hand

[@MrHurst-lb1rn]

I was wondering if it was similar to the Spartan III augmentation that increases physical prowess while muting the pain and damage.

[@agentmaryland1239]

I know Brutes are tough as hell, but I find it a little unrealistic that there was 0 daze time after basically being slugged in the jaw by 94 tons of force. He instantly retaliated with a punch of his own.

[@legionmeta]

It’s entirely realistic. It all depends on his durability, which is evident by the feat itself. He’s clearly durable enough to immediately recover and counter.

[@carsonhunt4642]

@@legionmetadef not possible unless brutes have some sort of modified central nervous system , and metal enhanced connective tissues and organs to hold to together (which they don’t). And assuming he somehow was strong enough to “absorb” the hit, he should have at least been knocked back more substantially.

[@legionmeta]

@@carsonhunt4642 It may not have been to your liking, but it is what it is. Tbh, there’s no sense in making up arbitrary criteria to make sense of a feat that explains itself.

[@mysteriousstranger5873]

To be fair saying that chief used ALL of his strength there is a bit generous, considering he just got schmacked by a gravity mace. Not to mention atriox might have some sort of augmentation as well

[@samc9133]

​@@mysteriousstranger5873Pretty much this. My headcanon (the only thing that makes this scene works) is to use what the cutscene gives us story-wise - Chief wasn't fighting at 100%. I feel like Chief grabbing for the empty AI chip in a total daze after getting punched shows us that. Not to say he fought poorly or anything. Just that he can theoretically fight better. Maybe having Cortana helps on top of that also.

[@inductivegrunt94]

As much as I'd love to see Chief go up against Atriox in a round 2. The correct choice to make is Red Team getting round 2, they got beaten first so they deserve the round 2 more. And Atriox is different even among Brutes, he has confirmed bested four Spartans in two engagements. Brutes are no slouches in combat, but Atriox is that exact same thing and then some.

[@BESTMOAD]

It's like every time he catches them off gaurd for a better chance of winning and disarming

[@uhagi6720]

I think a major aspect that we need to keep in mind of Atroix's strength is that he ALWAYS makes sure that he gets the first strike on his opponents. If Red Team weren't caught off guard and hindered by the initial confusion of his ambush, there's a good chance they could have taken him down in that moment. Same with Chief, who nearly killed him via a Sidekick bullet almost striking his head once he turned and saw him coming.

[@McKillahGuerilla]

Makes me think of how in First Strike a Brute blitzed Master Chieft and choked him with so much force that he almost immediately passed out, and that was a regular brute, in fact I think it was Chiefs first time encountering a Brute. Also that was while he was in Mk V.

[@jimbothegymbro7086]

I like to think there'd be a scarab tier boss fight where chief and red team work together to take him down, I have no explanation as to how chief and red team find each other or any lore explanation as to why that would happen, but the rule of cool means that would be a kickass finale for the banished saga

[@McKillahGuerilla]

@jimbothegymbro7086 well at the end of Halo Infinite Chief and Co saw something that seemed to give them hope, and at the end of Halo Wars 2 Professor Anders got back to the Milk Way aboard a new Halo Ring, maybe she somehow got the Spirit of Fire back too and thats who Chief and them saw at the end of Halo Infinite.

[@larssonk22]

Yeh I wasn't prepared to see the Master Chief get ragdolled like that.

[@agentnukaz1715]

Still impressive he took 2 gravity hammer swings from atroix and still punched back.

[@Kellethorn]

I'm never gonna emotionally recover from it.

[@devileye90]

i can only imagine how noisy the low shield beeping is in his helmet prolly can’t even think properly after taking those hits 😂

[@larssonk22]

@@devileye90 enough to give a man PTSD

[@decade9026]

@@devileye90to be fair that energy mace should have cut chief head clean off but well going out like that would be lame as fuck,rip emile you took an energy sword to the spine and died while the green man over here took 2 swing from a gravity hammer to the face and just walk it off

[@Aloofasf]

Atriox is kind of a monster of a brute himself. Plus, his abdominal armor probably isn't just for show. He probably wore it, expecting it to help protect from bullets and spartan punches. Surviving the uppercut was definitely a miracle if it wasn't mostly beard

[@Auzzymandias]

Definitely a miracle, in one of the Kilo-5 books a spartan II kicks a brute in the jaw and the angle and force of his head getting whipped back internally decapitates him. Atriox got lucky Chief wasn't using a leg

[@BCosby423]

One thing I noticed is that Atriox's armor gets dented by Chief's punches. Those armor plates took a good portion of the impact from each punch.

[@bentuovila5296]

This begs the question why even bother with armor? If chief can dent the torso armor with a hook but atriox can tank a super Mario uppercut to the chin what's the point? Obviously his bones and skin are made of adamantium.

[@stormichow5325]

@@bentuovila5296 One, not having armor looks bad for someone leading a faction centered around strength. Two, plasma and kinetic weaponry are still very deadly.

[@HANGING_SILVER]

​@@stormichow5325i dont think any of the kinetic weapons besides the railgun or guass cannon can hit with nearly as much force as the chiefs punch, not any man portable weapons anyway.

[@BCosby423]

@@bentuovila5296 I'd say a lot of the force of that punch to his head got transferred into motion. Although, his jaw is still incredibly tough to withstand even that force. But, the movement is pretty important in reducing the amount of force he would have taken. As far as the armor goes, he took those punches directly and didn't move back much, that means all the force got pretty directly transferred into the armor. But, the armor dented under the force of Chief's punch, thus using up a lot of that energy to deform the metal, and greatly reducing the amount of force transferred into Atriox's body. Would you want to be hit by a hammer through a piece of steel or just through clothing? They're both going to hurt, but one is significantly more likely to injure you. Although, perhaps Chief's punch is closer in strength to a piledriver.

[@bentuovila5296]

​@@BCosby423converting these force measurements into energy assuming they each got absorbed over about a foot is in the heavy machine gun Territory of energy. No biological tissue is gonna survive direct contact with that. Infact it would be interesting to see if the amounts of titanium and ceramic making up chiefs arm would even survive.

[@CHIEFLUKE101]

Atriox is just built different. Literally the biggest Monke

[@suspectnutria]

*M O N K E*

[@animo9050]

*M O N K E* 🦍🦍🦍

[@alextokmakoff6521]

S U P E R M O N K E

[@Ripa-Moramee]

Chief can punch through steal. A Spartan IV during the events prior to halo infinites campaign on the ring punched THROUGH a brute captain, dissenboweling him. The brute literally was so horrified about what the Spartan (pretty sure it was Spartan stone) had done to him, he dragged himself into a corner and died like a little bitch. In the lore, a female Spartan II during the Thursday war novel fist fought multiple brutes and won quite easily. Also Atriox is actually a relatively average, possibly even below average size for a brute. Esherum for example, is much taller and the tallest brute that we actually know of. This fight scene was very underwhelming for lore fans like myself.b

[@CHIEFLUKE101]

@@Ripa-Moramee MONKE

[@SHARPSPEED]

I choose to imagine after he threw Chief overboard and didn't have to do the hardass routine anymore, you could hear the single loudest "FUUUUUUCK!" echo through the whole of the UNSC Infinity.

[@Pillsbarry07]

Me (currently in physics): when will i everuse or even need to understand this stuff Instalation 00: todays video, physics-based halo lore

[@WolfeSaber]

If Chief managed to turn that force he created on Atriox's chin into a horizontal force, he'd be able to like, destroy a Scorpion tank in one punch! The Brute's chin is more manly that Thanos's chin and that thing is large.

[@skipmage]

If Atriox can survive this He is immune to most man portable weapons including .50BMG. His bones have more in common with starship hull than biological matter and his muscle out performs kevlar. The really cool knife kill we saw ODST make on brute chieftains no longer makes any goddamn sense. Realistically, John's punch rattled Atriox's brain so hard he is seeing triple and shattered his mandible, that is why he was unwilling to swing his mace, and why he brought John to a railing, not one of the open edges. Atriox will be tender in his abdominals for weeks as his body deals with massive bruising.

[@skipmage]

This is Locke all over again.

[@Frankman121]

Buck mentions in New Blood or Bad Blood that the only reason that Brute Chieftan died was because it fell onto the knife, driving it much deeper into his neck, possibly slipping between the vertebrae and severing his spinal cord.

[@skipmage]

@@Frankman121 Buck is not the only ODST we have seen perform this exact kill. It almost seems to be a trained response. But again, Atriox can have a tank dropped on his face, and emerge unscathed.

[@bentuovila5296]

The 50bmg is an apt comparison as these punches are delivering at least that level of energy.

[@skipmage]

@@bentuovila5296 For simple elucidation, a .50BMG has an energy of between 13,000 and 15,000 Flbs. Chiefs first punch blows that away.

[@AaronLuna-lj4jp]

God, I love Halo technical shit like this. It hurt me a little that my favorite game hero got bested by Atriox, but it is realistic that Chief finally has a real enemy that can put him in serious danger

[@mattmc9812]

I would love to see a rematch between these two

[@WolfeSaber]

A battle similar to Doom Slayer and the Lord of the Demons.

[@mattmc9812]

@@WolfeSaber well maybe it wont be that epic but it will great

[@vitobratta_WL]

@@mattmc9812 its all relative :) ant vs a giant spider is just as epic as doom slayer vs lord of the demons, and this case, chief vs atriox

[@Senkuda]

What's the point when, for some reason, Atriox is invincible to physics?

[@FrostbiteDigital]

@@Senkuda Oh for God's sakes just give it a rest

[@copperjarhead]

In conclusion, the simplest solution is 343 retconned the absolute hell out of Halo. Jerome in HW2 bodies a squad of Elites and Brutes in Mk IV. Just going by the fight between Jerome Alice and Douglas with Atriox, they never got any real hits, just bullets on armor, and a “shallow” stab wound. So unless Atriox is a mutated Brute, or has augmentations, there is no convincing me that this cutscene should not have ended with Atriox being a distant memory. Even if his bones didnt break, there is still the concussive force of his brain being jostled around. That should have turned to mush, or how about the spinal cord not being severed from that massive acceleration tilting his neck back? Not to mention what we see in the cutscenes of ODST, and the Halo 4 intro, and the Starry Night commercial. This does not show how strong Atriox or Brutes are. It shows the retconning Deus Ex Machina to essentially have a soft reboot of the series. (Rant) first the whole idea that the Covies could/would not defeat Atriox (they sent a whole spec ops unit to kill some elite on threshold, and won out numbered 3-1 at the Ark) then all a sudden, the Infinity, which survived 3 hits from a glassing beam, and rammed a shielded ship, having the best sensor array in the Galaxy gets bodied by a fleet of rams? No thanks. And now im expected to believe a Spartan 2 with the most advanced suit of MJOLNIR with Spartans, especially 117, having a track record in cannon of obliterating brutes all of a sudden cant 1v1 Atriox? No thanks. (End rant)

[@august7134]

I couldn't agree with you more. The only way I will ever accept this fight as canon is if 343 in later halo games shows that atriox is enhanced in any way. I don't believe he had a y power armor on in this scene so I without augmentations he should be dead or best be in a live long coma after the chief fight

[@mike_y0st]

Agreed! I get it-it’s Atriox. He’s smart, he’s abnormally big (or rather, typically big for a Chieftain, as jiralhanae chieftains seem to always be the biggest, strongest, and smartest to achieve being top-dog [rhino/bear/gorilla]), and he has to have some sort of plot armor in addition to his semi-powered armor he’s wearing. However, let’s not forget that Chief, upon waking up, immediately goes down to the ring and annihilates some of the Banished’s other top commanders and chieftains, a good portion of which are also semi-power armored brutes, including Escharum. Of course, we can’t forget how actually dangerous brutes are-remember First Strike and the Uneven Elephant? Crazy scary stuff! Buuut then again, remember Naomi in the Kilo-5 trilogy where she punches a few brutes to death, shattering their bones/heads with her MK VII prototype armor? So…shouldn’t Chief’s uppercut punch have done the same to Atriox here? And in the ending of Halo 3, as noted by Installation00, Chief punches through titanium plating (and barely cocked back to do so in MK VI). You (343i’s silly cutscene) cannot tell me ALL brutes have bones stronger than titanium plating, as he has been punching brutes to death since Halo 2, including lots of semi-power armored Chieftains and Warlords.

[@copperjarhead]

I want to add. The video was both conservative with the numbers, but Chief was also fighting from the drop, and does not look like he put 100% into his swings. They punched through concrete two months after augmentation and able to kick a Mk. 1 Exo-Suit across a room. If he hit 100%, Atriox would have died from the internal bleeding, and be decapitated. But Chief does not have to hit 100% to win this fight. This fight should have been his, unless Atriox has augmentations. Only way to be consistent with established Lore. Sick of the community making excuses for bad writing, and obvious, terrible, retconning by 343. This is what happens when you let them get away with Halo 4.

[@dustinbragg1921]

I wouldn't be surprised if Atriox has some Brute augmentations. He's a lot of things, but conservative aint one of 'em. He's a pragmatist at his core; he knows augmented humans kill normal Brutes so if he doesn't want to be one of those casualties he's better off not being a normal Brute. He almost certainly uses power armor on, or at least near, par with MJOLNIR. As for Infinity getting bodied I'm reading Rubicon Protocol right now and it sounds like they slipped in right in the middle of Atriox's fleet and got immediately dogpiled. They were caught with their pants so far down they were wearing them as shoes. On top of that Atriox has some kind of bullshit pre-Forerunner dimensional weapon capable of killing Guardians installed on one of his ships. Now this all really needed to be elaborated on in the game, I won't deny that, but given the context I'm willing to stretch my SoD. Somewhat. 343 Writing is 343 Writing. Shit that really needs to be in the main media (games) to maintain internarrative continuity and consistancy being shunted off to the shadow realm of the books and comics is my biggest gripe with how 343 has handled the story after Halo 4.

[@copperjarhead]

@@dustinbragg1921 id be fine with that. If they explained it as him being augmented. As for the power armor, i think its just his right hand. The one that he used to intercept an energy sword. I still dont accept the infinity being bodied notion. Unless im wrong, they have sensors that can map ships in normal space, while in slipspace. Say im wrong and they did pop in the middle of the banished fleet. There are so many tactical options Lasky could have taken, like, not be a sitting duck. Eveasive maneuvers, a short jump 3 million miles away, idk. Like you said: 343’writing. I think the problem is the whole soft reboot. That being: in G1 covies were tech superior to humans and we got decked. Fine. Makes sense. In G2, humans are the greatest military force in the galaxy, but some brute stole that title even though Rtas defeated them 3-1 with the same ships, and the crew of the SoF held more than their own with 30 year old tech? You and i get it. Im beating a dead horse at this point. They needed a new powerful antagonist, made up the banished, and left to your imagination how effective they are in spite of established lore to the contrary. Whats more, it can ALL be explained with good writing, but to my knowledge not a single book does it. It would be difficult, but not impossible for a competent writer to explain the most important aspect of this whole bs: how the Banished became so powerful in spite of the Covenant.

[@doom1609]

“And that paves the way for a Most Detailed breakdown of the Jiralhanae” I am excited beyond belief.

[@bladehenge63]

The idea of Jiralhanae skeletons incorporating or being made out of enamel-like material would make a lot of sense for a species so hell-bent on direct combat. The only question that remains for me is the 1-2-3 punch to the gut and the possible negation from the armor. We know Atriox has some UNSC bits to his armor, so a part of me wonders if there might be some undocumented force mitigation technology stolen, like the Mjolnir's hydrostatic gel layers. Seems like that would be the last thing on a Brute's mind, but Atriox is anything but a standard Brute.

[@tincano-beans2114]

Always figured it'd be like trying to punch a buffalo into submission 😂

[@ProtocolAbyss]

Possible since the banished are known to steal UNSC tech and use it… mostly cause its a massive fuck you to the covenant

[@KickedCrusader]

And some people say that Master Chief wouldn't stand a chance against a space marine. :|

[@agentnukaz1715]

I think I saw that post too

[@JK-fk6mo]

And this is why we have weight classes in boxing😂 as a boxer myself it’s the first 3 body shots that amazes me how atriox barely reacted cus every fighter knows getting caught with a clean hook to the liver/kidney is worse than any face shot

[@DS-wl5pk]

In fairness the only real punch that went all the way through was the uppercut since it didn’t hit armor. It’s also the one that made him retaliate with a lot more speed and force rather then continuing to slowly loom over him line he was. Atriox REALLY felt that one, it sent his head way back, and it woke him up and reminded him that he shouldn’t mess around too much. I would not expect atriox to get one tapped even by Chief so him eating the SINGULAR upper cut on the chin… appears to be about right for his character and as a brute Cool note too, atriox had his mouth open when he got punched… could’ve bitten his tongue off, lol

[@ashh.1765]

I took it as, he had energy shields on. They just didn't show it in the cinematic for artistic license.

[@DS-wl5pk]

@@ashh.1765 …. And where were the shields when he fought red team?

[@ashh.1765]

@@DS-wl5pk again, artistic license ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@Senkuda]

In Halo ODST, we can melee a brute while playing as a human. The truth is that Atriox should have dodged and I would accept that, otherwise the lore clearly indicates that Atriox should have died instantly. He is just as strong as the plot needed him to be.

[@yulfine1688]

@@Senkuda odst doesn't make sense, because an elite has similar speed and strength to that of spartan 2s just naturally, the brutes are quite a bit above the average speed and power of an elite..

[@Godzilla-jj6zp]

Surprised no one's noticed that Master Chief armor actually shorted out after Atriox hit him in the back where his armor's energy supply stems from. As soon as the suit shut off, it's abilities also stopped taking effect. Which means John was only able to use his natural augmented physique.

[@mostlycoldandfullofrocks3317]

even then, we know that not only does John have the ability to move in his new albeit shorted out Mjolnir; he then has the strength to *jump* upwards, whilst executing an uppercut? idk, boss. he’s still moving that much weight around, and he may be only using his augmented strength, but in that case, he’s still using augmented strength further strengthened by the sheer weight and mass of the armor on his arms and hands, impacting it onto the bare skin of Atriox’s head? especially in an upwards force; primate mandibles are typically shaped to disperse backwards and downward energy from those kinds of impacts. I appreciate your attention to detail; it really does seem like Atriox’s Gravity Hammer must have some sort of EMP effect, even if it doesn’t last very long

[@seajaydubs1531]

I think you've got the acceleration correct, but using the chief's total mass may not be accurate. The mass should be of the actual object hitting Atriox, such as the fist or arm. Otherwise, you've assumed all 450kg of mass moving at 400m/s^2. Like an ultra dense cannon ball. And that would indeed be devastating. Somebody correct me if I'm missing something.

[@ScipiPurr]

This was my thought as well, MC isn't moving his whole body at full acceleration, just his arm/hand. Another oversight is the uppercut velocity where the jump acceleration wasn't subtracted from the punch acceleration in the calculation of forces involved, so the uppercut (without the jump) was measured as a little faster than it actually was

[@BigHeadClan]

Correct, even if Chief was using a really big movement something like a Haymaker he still wouldn’t have all his weight behind it. It would have been a fraction of his total mass.

[@HailAzathoth]

didnt get acceleration correct either. The AVERAGE velocity of the punch over its thrown distance is 20m/s based on the frame rate/distance calculation, but the final velocity will be higher.

[@sebyt2062]

First thing I thought hearing the force, master chief is not shooting his entire body at atriox

[@Nightmonkey887]

He got a few assumptions incorrect anyway, never mind the idea that he was using his entire mass. If that was the case the Chief throwing punches would be enough to send him cartwheeling.

[@ElZamo92]

Thats the thing... I would have thought Atriox's head would have been separated from his body from the SHORYUKEN the Chief gave him square in the jaw...

[@bentuovila5296]

I had the same thoughts when i saw this cutscene the first time. If my reasonably athletic unaugmented brass nuckled fist landed that perfect an uppercut atriox would have been having a bad day. Chief should have sent atrioxs head into low orbit with that hit.

[@splunky2319]

Titanium knuckles would be crazy

[@agentnukaz1715]

Bro, u ain't punching that hard with brass knuckles without fucking ur hand. U throw quick jabs with it

[@alertedcoyote7892]

The thing to keep in mind is that Atriox is not a standard Brute. He is an absolute freak of nature, and he can't be used to compare to other Brutes. That's like taking The Mountain or Eddie Hall and saying "well all humans must be capable of lifting 500+kg". Those guys are genetic freakshows to begin with, and most of the world's population could take any drug they wanted and train six days a week and still never come near what those dudes are capable of. Presumably the same applies to the Brutes. Every so often you just get a complete animal out of an already tough as nails species. They even say hes uncharacteristically hard to kill, even among others of his kind. Definitely wouldn't use him to scale the species in general.

[@jayallen5599]

Hell yeah, lets go, i just rewatched this fight yesterday! Looking forward to your breakdown

[@legionofthedamned157]

My problem with almost all in game cutscene is that it never show damage to armor Here we should see that armor splinter under Chefs fist and that jaw break, just to show Chefs power

[@MatthewYoink]

8:38 still on the imperial system.. I feel targeted.

[@agentnukaz1715]

He used pounds with some big numbers. That's all I needa know

[@_Xerota_]

Forget Atriox, how many punches did scrawny Regret take to the face before finally dying?

[@HANGING_SILVER]

Ive been saying this for a long time, atriox should have died instantly on contact with that uppercut. In other halo media we see brutes get killed by headshots and all other sorts of damage all the time and somehow atriox just eats that much force without so much as a visible injury. 343 really just needed super power plot armor monkey for their game and it really shows.

[@metalliccj7507]

I love the concept of this video but there is just one thing. Maybe atriox did undergo some sort of augmentations himself. With how much force chief put into those punches, especially the uppercut makes me think that maybe not only did atriox’s anatomy help him tank those insanely hard punches but maybe another factor came into play as well. It’s just a little theory I have about atriox since I first saw him destroy chief.

[@squirmymetal5060]

1:35 1:40 1:42 You can clearly see red team Stab Atriox 3 times, 2 where deep punchers both into the lower right side of torso and 1 went into Atriox chest armor. (turn your brightness up)

[@squirmymetal5060]

Don't you say red team didn't get any work in on the ape

[@bigpapisaunds]

This video was incredible, love how calculated and methodical you are about being as accurate as possible and laying out different conclusions you can come to given the different thought approaches you take! 10/10 😄😊👍

[@peacewalkr6942]

2:19 Atriox punched chief in the head so hard he had to pause and think about it for a second.

[@mtcoiner7994]

That punch is the reason Atriox was so scared and angry when he realized Chief wasn't dead. He knew he wouldn't have the same level of plot armor next time.

[@SouthernGecko56]

next time they meet he will see chief swing like fucking spiderman side dash him become invisible and stab him with a energy sword

[@andrevakilzadeh9097]

The force being applied to atriox is not related to the acceleration of John’s hand rather the velocity at the time of impact and the time it takes for the punch to slow to 0 m/s. This is a calculation using the relation between impulse and momentum where the momentum of an object will be equal to the impulse enacted on it. Mass*velocity = Force*(delta)time, from here you can isolate the Force to find the force of impact on atriox.

[@Stormkryptonian]

One of the recurring themes when showing Sci fi themed stories is that an accurate portrayal of how devastating something would be is usually toned down for plot reasons. I'd imagine Spartans would be trained extensively in using their mass as a weapon in itself while in armor and probably would've developed their own martial art to take advantage of that fact. I'd reckon no matter how heavy atriox is he wouldn't be stationary after getting body checked by a 1000lb spartan. The mass times acceleration equation on that would launch most humanoids in the halo universe if the weights listed for them are correct. I also doubt 343 actually did the force calculations to accurately depict a spartan throwing hands with someone. I'd imagine a spartan or a brute hitting each other would send either one flying if they weren't braced due to their ridiculous strength to mass ratios.

[@alphawolf8059]

I believe Atriox has Brute level sparten armor. Which would add weight and mass to his body for protection. I believe that is why he handled the situation well. The uppercut was just improper. jumping to add force to an attack is unreliable since any amount of force will overpower the zero amount of force supporting your body.

[@xander.357]

We really need that video in brute physiology. Throughout the canon it's been established that brutes are stronger and more resilient than Spartans in CQC and its often the Spartans superior tactics that win the fight. Atriox is that strong and smart so he's a whole other animal. Seeing as brutes are stronger than Spartans regardless of armor or generation and since brutes regularly fight amongst themselves i can image that brutes who grow old must be abke to tank most forms of damage and keep going .

[@FireKnight0625]

Here, I shall try to “justify” Atriox surviving. Oh wait, he didn’t.(until the post credits scene) On a serious note, for the jab, I think his armor may have stopped the punch, since in Halo wars 2, a knife, held by another Spartan 2, could not get through. His armor could have some sort of kinetic force displacement, and stop the punch. Maybe that’s why the bosses are “bullet sponges”. For the uppercut, I interpreted it as Chief hitting the top of his armor, and then bouncing off into Atriox’s mandible, but even though, that still would have broken his jaw right? Enough so he couldn’t say, “My name is Atriox. I will be the last face you ever see”.

[@AxisChurchDevotee]

It could make sense if he had some super overshield like bosses do.

[@roguestudios2189]

What ever happened to the spartan 2 who punched a brute in the face and took its head off or I'm I lost somewhere

[@Thewho3949]

He's built different and he probably left with a few bruises

[@jimbothegymbro7086]

@@Thewho3949 I like to think his jaw did get dislocated, but he just toughed it out because you know, he's atriox

[@Thewho3949]

@@jimbothegymbro7086 yeah that makes sense

[@williorio8733]

Since we didn’t see Atriox for the entirety of infinite and everyone thought he was dead, I feel safe assuming that he at least had a couple fractures in his cheekbone and jaw from the punch. He shook them off in the moment cause he’s tough, but he probably still broke some bones

[@alphawolf8059]

Adrenaline does allow the body to operate at full capacity through injuries. I can only imagine was space Adrenaline would do

[@jacobweatherford4696]

If chief wasnt caught off guard i legit think he could have beat atriox.

[@Thewho3949]

Yeah but still even when chief realizes and you boom boom uppercuts him he still gets slammed

[@Nicolos117]

@@Thewho3949 probably not. Chief is much faster than atriox and would have killed atriox in a fair fight. Atriox ambushed master chief and still almost lost his head with one shot. In reality, atriox is FOOD. But got lucky with his gravity axe.

[@eliflores9819]

@@Nicolos117I thought brutes actually matched armored Spartans in speed? (admittedly idk what Mjolnir generation this was in reference to so maybe it’s different now)

[@lethalterminus5018]

@@Nicolos117 The entirety of Chief's character is him getting lucky. So Atriox having his mace shouldn't mean anything. It's a part of him just as much as Chief's armor is part of Chief's arsenal.

[@homelochino3864]

Even in that battle he should have won, you're telling me over 2 tons of force on the uppercut did not liquify atriox's brain? Mad plot armor on atriox

[@bourbon2605]

Atriox is just a metaphor of 343, Atriox (343) beating the Chief (Basically the very Image of Halo) So I'm not surprised lol but just my crazy opinion.

[@ravensfaith12490]

00 did you see halo legends when Cal 141 legitly took on a brute chieftain and punched it in the gut made it throw up its lunch and then busted his eye with a back fist but still was coming at here. Brute are built different they can legitly fight Spartan in hand to hand combat it also implied in ghost of onyx when Fred was like ya let’s not fight brutes hand to hand. But atroix is super built different to even best the master chief in hand to hand. But this confirms it how terrifying the brutes.

[@homelochino3864]

plot armor on atriox tbh

[@flawless_Cowboy]

Had a stroke reading this

[@mastershooter64]

I agree atriox is built different but still he has plot armor man. I'm not disagreeing Atriox can beat chief, it's just that chief would've put up one hell of a fight before going down

[@ASSET0302]

I agree with the plot armor argument. The amount of force his neck would've taken from that uppercut should've been more than lethal. All the armor on the planet doesn't save you from a severed spinal column.

[@ravensfaith12490]

@@homelochino3864 Thats fine just sayi

[@phazix6529]

One thing ive always wanted to see a break down of is when chief told the captain of the infinity "no" when asked to surrender cortana, more specifically what goes through chiefs mind when he has to disagree with his commanders or has to give conflict, after all his whole job is to be a god robot for the UNSC

[@Dodgemasta]

Keep it up! This is incredible!!!

[@Dryym]

One thing to note that I don't see anyone else point out in this scene. Unless we assume that Atriox's gravity mace is SIGNIFICANTLY weaker than a standard gravity hammer, I don't think this scene can be entirely taken at face value. We know what a gravity hammer does to a spartan. They get obliterated by the sheer force that it subjects their body to. Chief in this scene gets multiple times full force by the gravity mace and it barely pops his shields. Everyone always says that they think Atriox should be dead here, But nobody ever mentions that Chief should be dead here. He gets hit twice by what should be relatively similar to a gravity hammer before he can even fully react.

[@seajaydubs1531]

Maybe Atriox held back on purpose. To savor the beat down, so to speak. Chief is a legend after all.

[@CoinScarab]

​@@seajaydubs1531So true. Im guessing that he wanted to show the Banish that he took out the demon that the covenant feared

[@trossity9930]

Gen3 armor is a cheatcode which makes Atriox being alive after that uppercut even more stupid. Pretty sure there's an ODST variant helmet in Infinite(firefall?) That says spartan armor is basically at this point able to shrug off reentry and hit the ground without a drop pod. Or at least that they're working towards that goal.

[@tincano-beans2114]

​@trossity9930 why not have it fly and dispense soft serve ice cream too?

[@Rallysoldier]

​@@tincano-beans2114you obviously missed H5

[@Vantud391]

They nailed the scene both the hit speed and sound effect, you can feel the force behind the punches.

[@X_Peak]

Honestly makes no sense that Spartans don’t carry energy swords or hard light blades. That’s how Spartan Horvath beat Gorian. He would’ve fared so much better with an energy weapon or melee weapon, even picking up an improvised weapon like a steel beam or warthog driveshaft, anything better than nothing.

[@badpeanut2229]

I would absolutely love to get an anatomy video on the brutes

[@michaelhaynes4946]

A spartan ll uppercutted a brute in one of the books and broke its spine in half. So, for Chief to do the same to Atriox, and have it barely faze atriox before he counterattacks is fuckin' ludicrous.

[@kevhay4097]

Nice vid. You could also do the same to how hard Atriox punched the chief!

[@misterkevlax3852]

Yeah, can we get the same with the first mace hit and the first punch ? Im pretty sure Master Chief survive something strong enough to tear his arm too.

[@masterchief9609]

I remember when you posted the Sangheili MDB and how impressed I was with the true extent of your scientific knowledge, to the point where I felt compelled to request a Jiralhanae MDB as well. Seriously, you have no idea how hyped I am after your closing statement on this already amazing vid. Thank you 🥲

[@Badger_Actual]

Chief uppercuts atriox: TIGER!

[@JoshEastham]

I thought his punches would have cracked the ODST Plate on his abdomen at least

[@ms8studios157]

needless to say: Atriox got some good bruises lol

[@ILootStandingStill]

That uppercut probably felt like those “ringdinger” chiropractic videos to atriox

[@basilalias9689]

The first calculation is wrong, it takes into account the acceleration of the chief's fist in the swing not deceleration upon impact.

[@lv1543]

Atriox is a top 1% brute Like chief being a top 1% human. Unfortunately brutes by default are simply stronger.

[@jakebatty530]

I still think that chief should have done more damage with that uppercut Id say a brute is at best double a spartan in strength, maybe in atriox case 2.5-3 at the absolute most I say that because Spartans are as strong if not stronger than elites, and 2 elites have been shown to restrain a brute, so the gap in strength cant be that big Also since we see chief punch holes through metal, i think we should have seen some damage to atriox abdominal armour and at the very least some broken teeth/a fracture to his jaw, otherwise may as well be able to take a gauss round to the face In this sequence they should havw had atriox become dazed after the uppercut, and have something try draw chiefs attention ir make atriox go berserk a bit instead of just completely tanking that hit

[@TheHannukahZombie]

Everyone is forgetting the squishy bits *inside* his skull that took that force. There’s zero chance he shrugs that off in any capacity. That uppercut alone would have taken him out immediately. Physics doesn’t stop at bone density, it’s the stuff inside that matters. Even humans can survive impacts that would break their bones, it’s the soft parts that run into the hard parts that cause the real damage. It’s just plot armor ignoring reality, there’s zero chance Atriox survived a hit like that without any damage at all.

[@mythicknz8203]

Probably because they want halo rated teen so if that cutscene was realistic what Chief would do to Atriox would immediately make it r18

[@furykillerBZ]

This is the content that I love from your channel

[@emperortivurnis9161]

Now this is PODRACING!

[@Demonic_Tang]

Atriox might as well be a Spartan Brute. What goes into spartans must have gone into him and then some

[@retr0pearce765]

You cannot begin to understand how much this initial cutscene pisses me off. There is so much in this particular scene that is wrong, that the entirety of it just brings me to tears of pure rage and hatred towards 343i. I can accept Atriox being some sort of monster even among Jiralhanae, because we've already seen him 3v1 Red Team years ago, at least they are sticking to that. So, I do not expect a 1v1 against John to be against Atriox. But John isn't the only Spartan that should have been on the Infinity at the time. Let's begin with the fact that for SOME reason, the Infinity does not have its shields up, thus allowing a Banished assault. Why does it not have its shields up? The Banished DO NOT have the firepower to take them down, nor the defences to resist an assault from the Infinity. Up to this point it's already a massive amount of bullshit. Now, back to the fight against John. WHY IS THE MASTER CHIEF ALONE? WHERE IS FRED, LINDA AND KELLY? Osiris? Locke, Buck, Tanaka, Vale? The Arbiter, Thel Vadame? How about the onboard 4's? Palmer? Team Majestic and Crimson? There are at least 8 Spartans + the onboard Spartans + an Elite that should have been on the damn Infinity at the time of arriving to Zeta Halo. This whole scene, and honestly this WHOLE game is a monument to the utter incompetence and inability from 343i to stick to the story they already had going with 4 and 5, and instead throw it all out the window, to have Halo CE's Halo mission extended 8 hours long. And to that end, they had the fucking audacity of humiliating John, the face of the franchise, making him be beat and dragged by some random wannabe warlord who couldn't even keep the Spirit of Fire in check at the Ark, and on top also humiliating the single best ship Humanity had at the moment, because their new shitty plot required the Infinity to not defend itself against the Banished. Halo Infinite is a mistake, and I would be happy if they made a new Halo continuing from 5 and pretended Infinite never happened.

[@kyletucker6508]

They didnt do the lore/scene justice because 343 and Microsoft developed this game during covid and constantly moved in new devs every few months. They keep butchering the Halo universe like they did in this scene. Its almost as terrible as the trash paramount show is in my eyes...unforgivable. I just want to know who the lore people are that are in charge of directing a scene like this. They need to get fired ASAP. Actually 343 needs to get fired.

[@kyletucker6508]

to add, for some strange reason I still have hope. I hate Infinite and what they did with the game/chief/cortanna but im willing to excuse it for covid/microsoft's developer lawsuit they had on them. I hate 343 but im still hoping theres some people out there that know what theyre doing and doing Halo justice

[@donovandonnelly1658]

Aaaallll of this! I've been thinking the *same* thing since the game came out. Plus, this shouldn't have been a cutscene in the first place... this should have been the first mission.

[@FrostbiteDigital]

This whole post read as "I'm angry mastur cheef lost" Jesus dude cry harder

[@Rallysoldier]

​@@FrostbiteDigitalthat's what it is, although he has a point about not continuing the story from the previous games. But in general you can sum up hate for 4-5 as: 4: my virtual gf died 😡 5: my virtual gf talked back to me she shouldnt have done that 😡

[@khm3r80y7]

Nah after the adrenaline ran off atrioc felt that punch that's why he wasn't in infinite he was still recovering 😂

[@douglaswetak9686]

I think Chief rocked him so hard with that uppercut he decided to disappear from the banished due to his traumatic brain damage.

[@THS_UH66]

343 didn’t account for science, considering a headshot can kill the average brute with a single shot. A bullet has a greater chance of going through a skull than a fist does, but when the fist exerts that amount of force and doesn’t go through, doesn’t check out. Atriox had big plot armour. Hate how easily Chief lost to him. Chief would not have lost so easily. Atriox could have definitely beaten him, but not that fast.

[@buckeyebeliever3397]

Don’t y’all just love how Infinite was supposed to be the game for 10 years with constant updates that would give 00 loads of novel material to cover? But instead of that, he has to cover a cutscene that was trailered before the game even released? What happened to the incredible potential of this campaign? Where is chief now? Where is Atriox? Will we ever find out?

[@Commander_Appo]

How do some people try so hard to find any way to bitch about modern halo? This is literally a video studying how strong Atriox is by calculating the strength of Chief’s punch. It has nothing to do with whatever you’re talking about.

[@unlimitedspaghetti6316]

@Commander_Appo it has everything to do with it. The halo community has been starved of new material. To the point that 00 is having to base videos on old topics/info. Infinite was supposed to be the flagship for Halo for the next decade as were the original plans for the game. Instead we get 0 campaign dlc and lackluster multi-player seasons which have just been adding material that should have been there in the first place. The campaign was underwhelming and gave us next to no new information or anything. You may be happy with the current state of Halo, but myself and 99% of other hard-core fans are not. And I will not just quietly accept this desecration of my most beloved franchise. And its really not hard to find the flaws with modern Halo, it's everywhere you look.

[@tincano-beans2114]

​@@unlimitedspaghetti6316maybe halo sucks then? 😂

[@unlimitedspaghetti6316]

@tincano-beans2114 currently yes. As an overall franchise, no.

[@Oscar-wp5cq]

the fact that his face took a uppercut that should have sent him into the roof, if not downright exploded his head aside... The fact he was about to swing that hammer down into chief, but chief's first gut punch made him stop and almost look winded before the final uppercut, shows that the gut punches actually did work to wind him and buy some time. and again, disregarding the uppercuts force, I guess it knocked some 'sense' into him about not underestimating chief as he almost seems to throw that punch as a pure instinctual reaction to stop himself from getting hit even more. (But I also just love that chief now has a sort of proper rival who can go toe to toe with him... even if his face should be plastered over the roof of that hangar.)

[@hughmann3952]

The part I don’t understand is in the Kilo-Five trilogy, Naomi-010 delivers a similar uppercut in Gen1 Mark VII to some rando Jiralhanae and snaps his neck with the force of the blow. Then here’s Atriox, taking a similar hit from a bigger, presumably stronger Spartan in more advanced armour without so much as a chipped tooth. Dude should have at least had a mouth full of shattered stubs, spit a mouthful of blood and tooth fragments into Chief’s visor and then hurled him into space.

[@carpwhisperer1216]

It's just one of the time 343s want Jiralhanae. Spartans generally outpace Jiralhanae in Mjonir. They usually only beat them out in pure strength. Spartans beat them in every other meaningful category

[@tridonstrident6785]

Kilo-Five trilogy is really wonky when it comes to how strong people are. In that same scene, a completely normal ODST manages to wrestle a Brute to a standstill as they're struggling over an assault rifle. And earlier in the trilogy, Lucy (a Spartan-III) punches Halsey in a fit of rage, but she somehow survives just fine with only some bruising, despite the fact that teenaged Spartan-IIIs have killed trained soldiers with "light" (by their standard) smacks, and Lucy is a fully grown woman.

[@carpwhisperer1216]

@@tridonstrident6785 this is also true lmao. Authors in Halo really don't understand their lore

[@tridonstrident6785]

@@carpwhisperer1216 They sorta do. The main thing is, until the Banished, we never really saw what the Jiralhanae can achieve. We never saw them in power armor, we never saw them with proper training, we never saw them with education and intelligence. Our only exposure to them was pretty much at their worst, with none of the benefits afforded to Sangheili or especially Spartans. It's kinda like if our only exposure to Spartans was Alpha Company, who were 10 year olds being sent on suicide missions in cheap armor, and then they suddenly dropped the Spartan-IIs and SIII Cat-IIs on us; it'd be confusing, and uproot what we had initially thought of the Spartans. But it's not really them making the Spartans inherently stronger, it's them showing what the Spartans can do with more. That's basically what's happening here; the Jiralhanae have been "equalized," given the same treatment as the Spartans and Sangheili (top-notch armor, rigorous and advanced special forces training, proper education, etc.) and showing just how far they can go with it.

[@lethalterminus5018]

Keep in mind that just like humans, Brutes have different levels of pain tolerance. Mike Tyson can take crazy power punches all day while other people would be knocked out in a single punch.

[@alphawolf8059]

I was a kickboxing trainer for 9rounds. Which means im not a professional but they have taught me a few things. So the uppercut applied less force due to his jump. When fighting especially striking you want your legs grounded so you can utilize the force of the ground to push through your target with your punch. Since chief jump he only applied maximum force on the split second his fist came into contact with Atriox's head. If he was grounded he would apply that force until his arm was fully extended adding a few more seconds of force. Which mean realisticly if he didnt jump he would've split Atriox's skull.

[@greysonhardgrave9232]

So basically. 343 made a bad fight scene and this video just reinforces in my mind that we will never get book lore level cutscenes.

[@TDagFoFoMag]

correction: another bad fight scene *cough cough* halo 5 *cough cough*

[@mike_y0st]

Agreed. I get it-it’s Atriox. He’s smart, he’s abnormally big (or rather, typically big for a Chieftain, as jiralhanae chieftains seem to always be the biggest, strongest, and smartest to achieve being top-dog [rhino/bear/gorilla]), and he has to have some sort of plot armor in addition to his semi-powered armor he’s wearing. However, let’s not forget that Chief, upon waking up, immediately goes down to the ring and annihilates some of the Banished’s other top commanders and chieftains, a good portion of which are also semi-power armored brutes, including Escharum. Of course, we can’t forget how actually dangerous brutes are-remember First Strike and the Uneven Elephant? Crazy scary stuff! Buuut then again, remember Naomi in the Kilo-5 trilogy where she punches a few brutes to death, shattering their bones/heads with her MK VII prototype armor? So…shouldn’t Chief’s uppercut punch have done the same to Atriox here? And in the ending of Halo 3, as noted by Installation00, Chief punches through titanium plating (and barely cocked back to do so in MK VI). You cannot tell me ALL brutes have bones stronger than titanium plating, as he has been punching brutes to death since Halo 2, including lots of semi-power armored Chieftains and Warlords.

[@jeaton1224]

@@mike_y0stI agree, this scene is unrealistic, BUT there are times in halo games themselves where I punch a GRUNT and they don’t die…

[@markss367]

Not really

[@sirianrune198]

It might not be accurate from a lore/physics standpoint, but it's still well made from a choreography/cinematography standpoint.

[@LS3D_Printing]

Love the break down. It almost makes me question how a BULLET is able to kill a brute. I wonder what the metrics of the two are

[@genericnameandgamertag7448]

Monke strong

[@simonredforce]

My head canon is that Atriox has some kind of superbrute augmentations since he isn't part of the super purists Covenant anymore. They 100% have the technology to do so.

[@stormbreaker7373]

This was such a cool way to open the game

[@aeureus]

Atriox def had that plot armor. Meta wise would've had to have had significant augs and *core*

[@alphawolf8059]

I think his normally power armor is stronger than a U.N.S.C frigate. So, it makes sense that the first three punches failed. I have a comment explaining how the last one failed. Chief shouldn't have jumped that weekend the punch.

[@slicer940]

See Atriox has power armor on as well. A normal brute without the armor is stronger than an average spartan 2 already. I can’t imagine how much his armor amplifies his strength. I also am sure Atriox, being the leader of a faction, is going to have some of the strongest armor possible. If it was an obvious fight and not a sneak attack, same with red team, I think chief would have lasted longer. But probably not have won without more help.

[@Thewho3949]

Finally someone who doesn't just say "he has plot armor" and uses actual reasoning

[@daviddragonheart6798]

Honestly shouldnt matter, since the punch to the mandible would have been enough to ERASE Atriox. But it didnt. EVEN IF the bone wouldnt break, you mean to tell me his SKIN IS FINE?

[@ProtocolAbyss]

@@daviddragonheart6798 Brute bones are known to be extremely dense and there's reason to believe Atriox has some primitive augmentations

[@TheHannukahZombie]

@@ProtocolAbyssbones don’t matter, it’s what’s inside that matter. His brain would have been mush, even if the numbers are off a bit. People simply ignore physics because it sounds cool to say they have hard bones. People have hard bones too, even small head impacts that would never break a skull can kill you easily due to your brain not moving when your skull hits it at high speed. It amazes me how many people are simply not smart enough to understand bone density doesn’t mean a damn thing when his brain would have been liquefied.

[@TheHannukahZombie]

@@Thewho3949it is completely plot armor. No internal organ in his skull would survive that uppercut. Bone density doesn’t mean a damn thing when his brain impacts his skull moving upwards at high speed after an impact like that. Broken bones don’t kill boxers, their brains getting rattled around is what does it. How are you people not understanding this?

[@amri2062]

Logo is crazy, it's pretty similar to prince of persia sands of time but you did a great job with it❤ Love the design ❤

[@cren189]

I hate the fights that involve Atriox, instead of changing him into a tactical genius he is supposed to be they just artificially jacked up his strength in order to beat cheif. Through the many books we've seen Spartans crush brute skulls just by squeezing it with their palms.

[@bentuovila5296]

Or red team closing on the hammer welding target when they have rifles. All they had to do was all back up in different directions and shoot him. Also Spartans can see in low light.

[@St.Sparta]

@@bentuovila5296 You’re the only other person I’ve seen mention this. One or all of them just backing up and BR’ing or Pistol headshot and he’s done. That cutscene made no sense from any standpoint.

[@tincano-beans2114]

At this point he's already done the tactical, the battle is won...

[@FrostbiteDigital]

It's because writers made Spartans too OP that their feats become inconsistent throughout the lore.

[@aclarkk5462]

@@tincano-beans2114 not the point

[@amey40]

This breakdown was incredible....and scientific.... helpful for even personal fitness goals..🎉❤

[@andrewbutton2039]

I guess there's a lot less sensitive electronics and whatever in an MA5 series rifle, splash plasma damage doesn't seem to make any difference to it. But that makes me thing of all the times a spartan got hit with something like a hunter blast or went on an impromptu orbital skydive, their weapons and ammunition seems to be invincible.

[@mistamomo]

Ayyy Brute toughness is all over the place. Chiefs punch should have iced him right on the first hit

[@UwUvatar]

Should look at the fight between jerome and the room full of elites and then the brutes that rush him.

[@zeppelinreconops]

Lol this is so ridiculous. I know you're just analyzing the media, but this is like Thanos levels of power scaling. Dude is eating basically hulk punches and totally unfazed. Keep in mind that Halo is and has always been somewhat grounded in reality. This is some star wars shit. By this logic, brutes and Atriox should be invulnerable to fucking bullets and plasma

[@haydenross987]

The books describe Cheif pumping over half Assult Rigle clip into a brute with little effect, I think it's in Halo First Strike. He even comes close to getting choked out by the throat. ... isn't that exactly what you're saying? Brites can literally take bullets to their massive Rhino hides?

[@trossity9930]

​@@haydenross987chief was wounded and exhausted when that Brute almost got him and im pretty sure he hadn't fought a Brute yet at that point

[@trossity9930]

I think he's implying it's bullshit that atriox is still alive after those hits(its completely horse shit, Atriox's brain matter should be a stain on the ceiling of the infinity after that uppercut) but in the prequel book for infinite Chief in his gen3 armor leg pressed and squatted a 100+ ton chunk of granite with a wound quadricep. It's not powerscaling. It's legit hard facts from the lore that chief can output that much force.

[@tincano-beans2114]

​@@trossity9930he takes a few hammers to the face right before this punch 😂. Are you so lost in your fanboy rage that you blackout and didn't see the clip?

[@calebfrentz621]

Thank you for this breakdown, I’ve always found it strange that not only Atriox eats those punches but that Chief eats the Gravity hammer directly hitting him twice, could be worth a run through with the numbers again.

[@dairydregone7146]

Chief's uppercut should have knocked Atriox's jaw off. Plot armor is doing it's finest

[@lethalterminus5018]

Maybe. But to be fair, nobody has more total amalgamation of plot armor than Chief does.

[@dairydregone7146]

​​@@lethalterminus5018 agree but not for the Chief vs Atriox moment. Plot armor has chosen him over Chief lol

[@FrostbiteDigital]

@@dairydregone7146 "Plot armor is when the bad guy beat good guy"

[@dairydregone7146]

​​@@FrostbiteDigitalduh! Chief gets his ass beaten by Atriox after Chief uppercut him. Have u seen the whole thing yet?

[@kingsavage2272]

Atriox is basically a spartan brute, cause he's head and shoulders above the average brute who already is a decent match up for USNC forces.

[@homelochino3864]

yeah, atriox is just straight bullshit. that uppercut would have broken his skull and jaw, if a human biteforce of 120 psi can break bricks imagine chief's punch which is so much more than that, chief can destroy steel i REFUSE to belive brute bones are stronger than steel. same goes with red team, atriox is just the most bullshit halo villain, no single brute can fight a full spartan fireteam as much as i love halo wars 2 and somewhat like infinite, atriox has to be seriously fixed

[@tincano-beans2114]

😭

[@Boolio638]

The Reach brute assasinations show they're not this tough. If Atriox scales above the average Reach Chieftan then there's no way their skin is that tough when Spartan IIIs stab right through them with a combat knife. No Chief was weilding a blade but if you swing a hammer with 90,000 psi it's gonna do just about the same thing as a knife. The scars on Atriox's face prove he's not impervious so I'm gonna say it's more likely Chief couldn't put his max output in at that point in the fight or 343 doesn't know their own lore. Which is honestly just as likely with that embarrassing Chief V Locke fight.

[@TMAC_burninator]

I have a feeling, just a hunch really, that you've put more thought into this than the people who made the cutscene. By rights, Atriox should have lost his jaw if nothing else. I get it, the Brutes are tough. I never liked how they've split up the narrative between games and books and things. I can't keep up and felt like the opening to Infinite was skipping over a lot of things. There were better ways to have the Chief and Infinity put out of action for a while or sent away from where the game takes place without bending the credibility of physics.

[@phazix6529]

i cant wait for the break down on the jiralhanae, i have a math/science background and love seeing classic equations used in the world of halo

[@Blitzkrieg23]

Analysis on Thanos versus Master Chief?

[@Blackhearts60]

Well, chief would probably be eviscerated in like 1 second lol probably not worth analyzing.

[@senate2674]

@@Blackhearts60 stones or no stones?

[@Blitzkrieg23]

@@senate2674 2014 Thanos (confirm to be at his Peak) with his sword would be preferable.

[@senate2674]

@@Blitzkrieg23honestly we dont know🤷🏻‍♂️. Who’s to know, atriox could be stronger than no stones thanos, and also, probably is bigger. Also iron man cap and thor could not defeat thanos, and i can tell as a fan of both franchises that cap and iron man are no threat to chief. Infinity war thor is definitely a tier stronger than chief, but endgame drunk thor? I actually think chief is stronger than the trio in endgame

[@BESTMOAD]

​@senate2674 they both has shown moon to planetary level strength atriox and chief stands no chance