CHILLING IN AO NANG - FIRST IMPRESSIONS OF THAILAND (KRABI)

[@JumpingPlaces]

Hey everyone, thanks for watching! I noticed quite a few Filipinos got upset by the few comparisons in the video. They are only observations, not really saying any place is better or worse.. just talking about what I am seeing and experiencing that's all. Every country and place is different :D The Philippines will always be one of the most amazing and beautiful places that I have ever visited. Anyway hope everyone enjoys!

[@rainieresguerra7486]

Jumping Places Just continue with what you are doing. You can't please everybody. Many Filipinos actually suppory you. Ignore the few negative ones.

[@reignheart2908]

There's nothing to be upset and comapring both places is ok.The reality is you can't please everyone so it doesn't matter what others say as long as youre happy and you're enjoying ur vacation.From your Filipino viewer.

[@fr0g.the.french]

hehehe don't expect Filipinos supports if you are out off Philippines. It's something like Brasilians and Argentina pple 😉

[@bluesnowconeplays5362]

Dont bother listening to those negative people. Just continue to be honest with you comments. There are just only few of them, huge followers are supporting you no worries. I know if you come back here they will welcome you again. There are pros and cons in every places, there are strengths and weaknesses in each and every places. Goodluck guys we will miss you here in the Philippines...

[@bluesnowconeplays5362]

@@dantesalazar7805 yes filipinos are jealous people. That is just it that is why they make comments like that.

[@fishingbuddyph8786]

Hey Chris and Carol. FILIPINO here and will continue to support you guys. Don't change anything, just to please the few who are not happy. Your way of blogging is awesome.... There is absolutely nothing wrong with making observations of the places you've been. It's your vlog, your opinion, not everyone is going to agree, but who cares? Enjoy and be safe!

[@JumpingPlaces]

Thanks for the support buddy! I wasn't going to change anything anyway just didn't expect to see so many people upset

[@Rolando0801]

I’m Filipino and love how you go about your vlogs. Simple and straight-forward but still feels warm and genuine. Also loving your vlogs outside of our country. Gives me new perspective about other places and cultures. Keep it up. Mabuhay kayo!

[@JumpingPlaces]

Thanks dude! glad you are still enjoying :D

[@albajoc0987]

Thailand is really beautiful. Been to Phuket last 2013 and it was my first trip abroad, after that i enjoyed travelling more and now have traveled to more than 20 countries. Cheers to more adventures from Philippines 😉

[@indie-travel-stories]

really enjoyed watching your Krabi videos. I went a couple of years back, but my gopro was really poor quality so glad to see those places again with your much better footage. will be checking out the rest of your channel - lots more looks interesting

[@sineater71]

Beautiful place, I was in Krabi last month with my friends, but, I never get to Ao Nang, my friends did. Those islands in Krabi are worth to visit. Its Amazing, and I will definitely go back for more next year. And thank you for visiting my country the Philippines too. You are good guy.

[@carolineridsdale6783]

Visiting Bangkok and Ao Nang next March - first time in Thailand. Found your videos really interesting and informative - can’t wait to go 😊

[@MrChirpychippy]

we stayed at the resort there a few years ago, really nice ! we paid £3000 i think for 14 nights there inc. flights/ transfers etc and canoes etc were all free to residents and the food there (also included) was amazing ! can't believe how much they tried to charge you for water . we are also going to be heading out to goa in a few weeks (2nd visit there) and really looking forward to it. Passing ships and all that will keep an eye out for you in future as we seem to visit similar areas. Take care, enjoy the world and thanks for the videos :)

[@anjeanetteschannel]

We are excited to see your new adventures in Thailand! I am glad you mentioned food allergies, there are a few foods I cannot eat, and I was wondering how to deal with that while traveling. Have a blast!

[@JumpingPlaces]

Glad you are excited! Yeah the food thing is definitely tricky but I am kind of used to it since I grew up with all these allergies

[@viajandosemlimites5678]

simply avoid eating out. In Thailand, people don't care about the quality of the food. It's all made with lots of vegetable oil, margerine, and sugary souces. I was in Thailand for 50 days, and I took with me a foldable kettle that I used to make my own boiled eggs. With a kettle, you can also make your own noodles!!! I also ate a lot of canned sardines and tunna, which are rich in omega 3.

[@NickyDunn]

Great vlog I started in the middle of these Thailand vlogs but catching up now on the early ones before I carry on watching then all, loving your videos guys, thank you for sharing your adventures, I feel your pain with food there is so much I can not eat, take care.

[@bhillton]

Thanks guys to make this video. I went to my home country Thailand same time as your guys but I went to Lipe I highly recommended to this place . It more quiet and natural but the food is a little bit price because there are an Island. I hope you guys had a wonderful experience .

[@lizfrancisco1705]

Hi jumping places,,I wish u come back here in the Philippines,,,and the people here everyone speak English,,, enjoy ur travel...thank you

[@JumpingPlaces]

We plan to head back for sure! miss it already :D

[@khushpal9932]

Liz we can go together?

[@tonyvillanueva5189]

Hey man I love your videos! I’m planning a trip next week and I have a few questions for you about the drone. 1- how do you figure out if you can fly the drone in the areas you are? 2- how do you manage carrying so many expensive electronics. When both of you are in the ocean for example where do you leave your stuff?

[@JumpingPlaces]

Hey man, I checked online and I didn't find anywhere saying that you cant fly in thailand, just the same rules as everywhere else really, don't fly over people e.t.c I did however see a sign on one beach saying no drones so I guess you would just need to keep a look out for those signs... seen many people flying drones here. we just keep an eye on our bags when we are swimming and i always have a padlock on my bag

[@michval3888]

Don’t mind negative comments, just enjoy your trip/vacation😊 and I’m Filipino still following you 😊

[@JumpingPlaces]

Thanks!

[@ASH-was-my-handle]

Nice to see you guys made it to Thailand, am pretty sure your going to enjoy Thailand (well I did at least lol). Stayed in Krabi town and got a scooter to get to ao nang and after just switched over to ao nang. I believe the other beach you were on was centara beach (as it was the one at the end of the monkey trail) since you can see what's called ao nang tower (the lonely limestone rock in the water). Oh, by the way, you said you were having dinner in a thai restaurant, well when in Thailand its just a restaurant haha and as always, cheers.

[@JumpingPlaces]

Yeah loving it here so far mate, had 4 great days here.. off to Koh Samui now, have you been there?

[@ASH-was-my-handle]

@@JumpingPlaces yeah, been there before but I preferred Ko Tao and Ko pha-ngan. Started in the North of Thailand then headed South. It appears you guys are going to be doing it South to North. Well, have fun and enjoy yourselves.

[@JumpingPlaces]

Cool, are ko pha-ngan and ko tao lest touristy? Koh Samui kinda feels like i am in ibiza lol

[@ASH-was-my-handle]

@@JumpingPlaces Actually, I would describe Ko Pha-ngan and Ko Tao as backpacker central (at least from when I was there) but then again it was a full moon and they have those full moon parties (not exactly the time of month to be looking for a remote secluded spot over there ha ha) but the full moon is still two weeks away so it might be different now. You guys enjoy yourselves and as always, cheers.

[@basiladlernecromaniac]

Hi, can u plz mention the name of the resort u stayed? the one with the floating pier

[@alktgbgb9272]

so you already leave the Philippines, thank you for visiting... dont ever hesitate to comeback.

[@nan8014]

Hi Chris, do you remove the fish eye effects from all your go-pro footages? ....because I cant seem to see any fish eye distortions when you're filming with your go-pro...which is pretty amazing. btw nice to see all your newer travel vids....but your Rio vids are still my absolute favourites :)

[@JumpingPlaces]

Hey there, glad you still enjoy the vids! There will be more from rio at the end of the year probably when I go back 😁 the go pro has 3 views: linear, wide & superwide. I think only super wide has that fish eye curved image affect, wide also has it a little bit. I pretty much always shoot in linear which is already a very wide screen

[@nan8014]

@@JumpingPlaces Ah that explains it, in that case, I'm going to get myself a go-pro then. My wife and I have watched tons of Rio vids in youtube but yours is the one that we absolutely love and made us decide ==> we have to go there !! :) Have fun in Thailand , cheers

[@JAMESFERNANDEZ]

Really nice footage!! There's any special doc needed to fly a drone in Thailand!? Thank you!

[@tatac3]

Don't worry about the negative vibes. Each place is unique. I'm a Filipino and I don't mind the comparison. Bravo!

[@JumpingPlaces]

Cheers mate!

[@JoseOrtiz-os6dg]

Watching you guys this better than watching some of the TV program👏👏😎👍

[@JumpingPlaces]

Thanks!

[@mariaberens]

Thanks, great video! I am currently travelling through Ao Nang too! How long was the walk from Ao Nang beach to the other beach? :)

[@JumpingPlaces]

Cheers! Maybe about 30 mins. Definitely worth it! Way better and more chill than so many beach

[@wwawwong1]

Enjoy your Thailand trip. Thank you for visiting the Philippines!

[@JumpingPlaces]

Cheers!

[@arkijun8304]

hi, enjoy your trip, im a filipino, just dont mind the negative comments. its all good!!!

[@dennisdaniels6946]

How did you explore two beaches?

[@petersahota699]

Hi mate, Where would you recommend Ao naung or Railay I’m going to Krabi November what’s your thoughts Thanks dude

[@JumpingPlaces]

Railay has way nicer beaches around it but is a lot more expensive.. unless you stay in a super cheap hut like I did in tonsai.. overall I enjoyed the railay area a lot more for sure

[@billkerman1218]

yea Railay best on ao nang but you have to pay 200B for boat taxi round trip

[@anthonycarney7849]

Very nice 👍 beaches I hope 🤞 to 👀 it upxx to your better half

[@Annutron]

Where did you guys kept your bags when both of you were in water And Where did u put your passports I am traveling ao nang Krabi on dec 2019

[@dantesalazar7805]

i notice,thai sea color is green,is that fresh clean sea water,looks like lagoon color

[@JumpingPlaces]

Yeah that is the color around krabi, no seaweed either so not sure how it gets that color

[@katysmith4331]

We are going to Aonang in July for our honeymoon so watching your videos of the area is giving us lots of advice and ideas!! Enjoy 😄😄

[@viajandosemlimites5678]

Hi, just been to ao nang recently. Avoid this place at all costs. The beach is heavily polluted. There is black sewage going straight to the beach but many people don't seem to care. It can make you really sick

[@sandrarosenhaug1110]

When did you go? Which month? 🤩

[@olalamuybien2129]

cool video mate and as always thumbs up.

[@JumpingPlaces]

Cheers mate!

[@denisemurphy5188]

Did you get travel health insurance? If so, can you make a recommendation? Thanks 😊

[@JumpingPlaces]

Hey Denise, yeah I use world nomads as my insurance. I saw a lot of other travel bloggers and vloggers used them so i decided to use them also.

[@adammason4454]

Thailand is a lot quieter right now because of how strong the baht is.

[@JumpingPlaces]

Yeah I think I also am slightly out of the high season too? I read that it is until february.

[@kidsperspectivefamilytrave9184]

We thought Ao Nang Beach was a bit nicer than the Phuket beaches but they are all beautiful.

[@Ironfist76]

Awesome video. I'm going there next October. Did you have any trouble travelling with the drone?

[@JumpingPlaces]

No issues with the drone for me 🙂

[@Ironfist76]

@@JumpingPlaces Thanks a lot!

[@PinoyFX]

Woah, amazing BROWN Beach !!!

[@JumpingPlaces]

Yeah different!

[@quakerdaddy5237]

Any idea if vaccinations are necessary ? heading there in 4 weeks from Canada

[@eastted773]

Going to Krabi soon.. any other advices?

[@JumpingPlaces]

Not much advice but I would definitely check out the area of railay.. I have other vids around that area also if you want to check them out and see what might suits you best

[@eastted773]

@@JumpingPlaces ty!! I'll check it soon..

[@markdavies1473]

Hi! New subscriber, I'm planning on going to Krabi for my 50th..I'll be travelling alone - Which area would you advise to stay? - I dont like it too quiet and generally like a bit of nightlife too. Also.. would 3 weeks based in Krabi be sufficient, I'll do day trips etc. Thank you :)

[@webstermickey69]

Wow beautiful Thailand and nice vid again, where is you next destination after Thailand?

[@JumpingPlaces]

Cheers! Will be indonesia next

[@webstermickey69]

@@JumpingPlaces Wow nice enjoy and create more great videos, dont worry about my other fellow countrymen whose criticizing you, ignore them, they are just very very few people of the Philippines who dont know the meaning of Jumping Places. Remember you cannot please everybody but I am so pleased to subscribe in your channel so keep up the good work my friend and create more videos. And come back to the Philippines, you are more than welcome to explore our country. Hola from Toronto, Canada!!!!!!!!!!

[@webstermickey69]

@@JumpingPlaces And also come back to the Philippines and for sure 100% they will stop and forget about those negative comments they've created. So please do come back!!!!!!!

[@SixNineVlogz]

My favorite place in Thailand 🤩🙏

[@okiksotam6763]

Lagi silang ganyan. Mga obsessive! Magpasalamat p kayo dahil free ads para s bansa natin. Lahat n lang ng foreign vloggers nagagalit kayo kapag umalis n ng pinas. Mga gung gong!

[@jerryongcal9516]

explore & enjoy! travel safe guys...I hope you enjoyed your stay in the Philippines.

[@JumpingPlaces]

Loved it, can’t wait to go back!

[@emilysmith6746]

Great video but what is your accent?? I can’t figure it out, where are you from?

[@JumpingPlaces]

Hey there, from Manchester in England originally but I left England 11 years ago. I lived in Rio for 6 years where I basically never spoke English at all and then Houston Texas for 4 years, so I guess all that mix made my accent change a lot haha

[@indie-travel-stories]

@@JumpingPlaces lol manchester ... never would have figured that, your accent must have changed a lot

[@russelldelacruz9419]

Love your vlogs. Enjoy your travel. :-) (from the philippines here)

[@JumpingPlaces]

Thanks for the support!

[@dahliabinoya3216]

Amazing place.Thanx for sharing.🙂

[@JumpingPlaces]

Thanks for watching :D

[@dennisdaniels6946]

Is it part of Thailand?

[@JumpingPlaces]

Yeah!

[@vladim1973]

Thanks for the sharing. We saw the monkeys and visited the small beach. I wouldn't know about it without your video.

[@dennisdaniels6946]

You say you explore ao nang?

[@JumpingPlaces]

Yeah!

[@mdkopiluddin2811]

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[@delmonte4824]

Have a nice vacation in thailand!😀safe travels

[@JumpingPlaces]

Cheers!

[@Arnel_A67]

$10 for fish is expensive. in the wet market, milkfish is 120-150 php per kilo... yeah, thai food is SO spicy, i also cant handle it so I request for mild spicy thai food hehe

[@JumpingPlaces]

Yeah fish here is very expensive for some reason compared to all other dishes here

[@adammason4454]

@@JumpingPlaces once you find proper Thai street food it becomes a lot cheaper.

[@DannyV106]

Awesome video's guys..., subscribed! Been there twice and we L-O-V-E I-T !!! Ao Nang is fabulous. Stayed in The Avani Cliff Resort....! Highly recommended 🙏🙏😎

[@boyeasternlife7400]

Where do you come from bro

[@davidvlasak3442]

beautiful place, what is the name of the song at 8:08 anyone?? thanks

[@edzgaralde8585]

Hi guys another vlog like it😍 now i know Thailand is more expensive than Phillipines like water and fish😮. don't mind the negative comments. im filipino sub i like your vlog 😍😘take care and God bless.. peace up🤗✌️✌️

[@adammason4454]

Street food in thailand can be really cheap. But drinking is twice the price of the Philippines. Hotels are much better value in Thailand though.

[@JoseLopez-sn5yu]

banana nutella rotti from thailand my favorite and theres a lot of vegetarian options in almost every rest, a lot of population in thai are kind of vegan.

[@nealasoque4557]

I don't mind the comparison. To each his own. It's all about perspectives... Cheers. Enjoy Thailand

[@mandysavoy2924]

Doesn’t roti have eggs in it? But you’re allergic?

[@JumpingPlaces]

Yeah the allergy is weird, I think it depends how it is prepared.. egg is in loads of things like cakes and that doesn’t give me an allergy, but the other day I had tortilla in Spain and got a bad allergy 🤷‍♂️

[@mandysavoy2924]

That makes sense. I think I have heard of people not having a reaction when it’s cooked/baked into things.

[@shemp815]

Haha Good move getting the smaller water. A month in Thailand? Gonna be lots of fun. Will you guys be spending time in Bangkok?

[@JumpingPlaces]

Yeah should be spendng a few days in Bangkok hopefully! you been there?

[@shemp815]

@@JumpingPlaces yes, but when I was in the Navy back in early 90s....but my wife and I are tentatively planning a trip for next year so I will be watching your videos as always for tips. I hope you can enjoy the food despite your allergies cause that's one of the main reasons we wanna go, as the food is quite delicious.

[@dennisdaniels6946]

How can you spend a lot of time traveling around the world?

[@elle.m7075]

Thailand is beautiful yehey!

[@JumpingPlaces]

Sure is :D

[@jerryd9124]

What! The beach water is dark green! Scary :(

[@JumpingPlaces]

Yeah it has been like that all around here in Krabi.. Maybe other areas has clear water, not sure!

[@susterovic]

It’s the raw sewage that gets pumped in

[@azaelia2000]

260 Bhat!!!for a bottle of water!!!!!!omg!heading there next month.guess coconut water is cheaper than water 555.

[@rondon08k]

Where’s your accent from friend ? You sound that’s it’s mixed

[@johncarter6852]

8-9 bucks for a big bottle of water?!?...c'mon man, that's highway robbery! ...lolol

[@JumpingPlaces]

Yeah that was nuts haha

[@dantesalazar7805]

yeah coz thailand is tourist conscious,that s why,competition

[@anjeanetteschannel]

Tourist traps make their money on tourist necessities like water! So of course they will over charge to take advantage, as much as we don’t like it, it pays their bills!

[@fourthjayoma7699]

Comeback to the philippines. Hehe

[@bertz007i]

I think best beach is philippines

[@JumpingPlaces]

Yeah will have to see how the other beaches are here :D

[@PinoyFX]

Yup, Philippines have 7,641 Islands compared to Thailand's 200+ Island. Mostly powdery White sands and others are Brown, Gray, Pink and Black close to the volcanoes and I think they have a minimum of at least 5 beaches per Island since it's surrounded by water.

[@jocelynorquillas8507]

Agree, a lot are yet virgin,never visited by any foreigners. .

[@dantesalazar7805]

yes especially in abu sayaf infested areas in tawitawi and jolo,basilan

[@johncarter6852]

@@JumpingPlaces .....i kinda noticed, the waterz in ur vlog here is murky 🤔 hmnnnn...

[@rayliteocamsar1069]

Almost like Palawan except the water is green in Thailand and it doesnt look clear.

[@JumpingPlaces]

Yeah around this are is dark green water... I am not sure if Thailand has that Caribbean & Philippines style water, I guess I will find out soon!

[@bluesnowconeplays5362]

Lets start to explore im just too curious haha. Luv from the Phils.

[@tum3gs]

Great review ...thanks for your video,I like it and Don't care negative comments

[@jaymarc76]

I am a Filipino subscriber and dont mind them.

[@JumpingPlaces]

cheers!

[@robertdrew6523]

Gotta try those banana pancakes :)

[@JumpingPlaces]

Delicious!

[@derrickdonesa667]

Don’t mind the negativity. It’s an unfortunate trait of some Filipino. Enjoy your travels and say it how it is... positive or negative.

[@JumpingPlaces]

Thanks!

[@TheToni1976]

Watch out with those monkeys, specially if you cary food with you or inside your bags, they will try steal it from you. While in krabi try to visit the Tiger Cave Temple, and fly the drone at the top that is around 900 feet high. But be prepared for some 1207 steps 😂

[@JumpingPlaces]

I might head there today! didnt know there are 1207 steps to climb though lol

[@fr0g.the.french]

nice shots 👍

[@JumpingPlaces]

Thanks!

[@nicocabanit5440]

Ola,from Philippines

[@JumpingPlaces]

Hellooo thanks for watching

[@billkerman1218]

love this place

[@herbertmatre9245]

beautiful place

[@JumpingPlaces]

Yeah south east asia is full of beauty!

[@TheToni1976]

Hi. It’s always hard to hear some bad comments about our own country, but instead of being upset, people should try to use that as a way to Change things for better. You are now in Thailand and I can tell you I prefer the Philippines (I already been in Thailand before) but everyone has his own opinion. Both countries have wonderful places to visit, but I prefer the less developed tourism in the Philippines, it’s more genuine specially if you go out of the path ( 7k islands 🤔there’s lots of choices). One thing I disliked in the Philippines is how they dispose garbage,this is a problem in many towns and some beaches. The solution for this is simple, I invite all to google - San Carlos Negros Occidental the cleanest city in the Philippines-. This is an example how things can change, and this isn’t only for the Philippines, it’s for our planet earth 🌍.

[@JumpingPlaces]

Yeah i really loved the less developed tourism on the remote islands there... not sure if i will find that here.. the thing is, I didn't even say anything bad about the philippines lol. People got upset over nothing.

[@TheToni1976]

Lol so why did they get upset?

[@rosebrown2267]

I agree limestone goes to thailanx but crystal clear blue waters goes to the philippines 😋

[@maxchernov293]

Cool 🇨🇷

[@adamlook798]

expected some people will react to the limestone ha ha... always generalize ei. im not surprised cause thats most travellers do always say

[@JumpingPlaces]

Yeah I didn't realize it would bother people... oh well. I mean from the 30 min drive from the airport to where I am staying it was full of limestone mountains so it seemed to be more.. but not sure why people are bothered by it, doesn't really mean a place is better or worse just because it has more mountains lol just an observation that's all

[@adamlook798]

Jumping Places its ok. You only have rub it all and move on. Ask Kara and Nate who HATED the Philippines from all aspects. they say evetything bad about the country regardless

[@marcmish9488]

Im a filipino..Just ignore those 10% pea brain people..Your always welcome to the Philippines☺

[@JumpingPlaces]

Cheers!

[@dejanjordan]

8/9 dollars for a bottle of water I mean seriously not even the airlines have the audacity to pull that crap...

[@JumpingPlaces]

Yeah i couldn't believe that haha. I almost bought it too since i wasn't too familiar with the conversion rate yet on my first day

[@kamolthiprakkapao9981]

ใครอยู่ไทยมาฟังนี้😗

[@rickybuitizon8192]

Enjoy guy's

[@JumpingPlaces]

Cheers!

[@christianbovoro3605]

Anyone going in July? going Solo so looking for others as well🤓

[@noobnoob1358]

Hi Great Vid, dont bother some brag about phil they are stup?? fil :), just enjoy your vacation and have fun, im a filipino by the way, thumbs up :)

[@JumpingPlaces]

thanks man! Yeah seems some people already get upset by the comparisons i mentioned even though I barely said anything lol oh well

[@vinceMalaloan]

There’s just so many trolls in the Philippines, and have nothing to do in their lives so Don’t mind them :) Enjoy South East Asia! 🇵🇭🇹🇭

[@JumpingPlaces]

Thanks!

[@leonitotulabing6263]

In the Philippines we don't need limestone here what we need is to have is more beautiful tourist spots.

[@herbertmatre9245]

anong pinaglalaban mo

[@seans5586]

Krabi and phuket are more expensive than Malaysia (food wise). Not worth it

[@susterovic]

The sea looks so dirty and polluted. 🤮

[@Horizon_Wise]

Amazing video! I really enjoyed it! Currently in Krabi ans I will have to visit thise places! Check out my channel to see videos from my trips!

[@leonitotulabing6263]

Still the Philippines is the best in asia.

[@khrizzcharvi9778]

Leonito Tulabing and so? What are you trying to imply with your message here? Every country has something to offer, what’s important is they enjoy in every place they visit.

[@rolandoesling6587]

Thailand has more limestone mountains than in the Philippines? Are you kidding us? How long is the coastline of Thailand, which is in mainland Asia? The Philippines has longer coastline than the coastline of the US distributed in the 7,300+ islands comprising our country. All islands are made from limestones as these were under the sea eons back and pushed above the sea due to volcanic activities. And never compare the inconveniences you experienced in both countries because while you were renting cheap rooms in isolated places in the Philippines you are billeted in somewhat classy apartments in touristy areas in Thailand.

[@JumpingPlaces]

I only saw limestone mountains in el nido and coron, didn't see it anywhere else there, anyway it is just an observation, doesn't mean it is better or worse lol I still rented nice places in philippines. The only comparison I mentioned was the fridge...nothing more