China and Burma Campaigns of WW2 (1942-43 Documentary)

[@realtimehistory]

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[@mlin3622]

Rip kmt

[@HistoryHaty]

I loved Rhineland 45. I also taught my mom a lot about World War II and the Rhine campaign. Thanks jessie.

[@HistoryHaty]

Operation Bagration maybe

[@Sweet_Pup_g]

The alliance between the Imperial Japanese Army and the Imperial Japanese Navy was even more dysfunctional.

[@mavssami41]

Facta

[@zainmudassir2964]

The funniest story is that Japanese navy managed to hide full extent of their losses at midway for months from the Imperial Army.

[@omkarpatwardhan3070]

I am astounded by the quality of these documentaries and the narration based on real, provable research and making a well connected chain of events. I applaud! Thank you!

[@realtimehistory]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@soulscanner66]

That's the difference between historians doing KZbin and KZbinrs doing history.

[@kasperherlv5728]

Ah yes, Vinegar Joe Stilwell. America’s foremost diplomat. With him on your side, you don’t need an enemy.

[@kidd32888]

He was absolutely terrible and I am no friend Chiang Kai Shek

[@geoffsokoll-oh1gq]

Who lost China? The Republicans never would have asked that question if Stilwell was alive. I believe his answer would have been Peanut and his in laws.

[@mensch1066]

If anyone reads Jay Taylor's book "The Generalissimo", it becomes clear that in spite of Roosevelt's genuine sympathy for China, the US consistently made things worse for China, either by negligence or by incompetence (in the case of Stilwell).

[@gsmiro]

It is a great book for people who wants to understand Chiang more in depth to read

[@tkling5909]

Its amazing how they even came up with this guy. Picking any random staff officer would have been better.

[@fargr5926]

@@tkling5909 nobody wanted to go to China, which was considered an early end of military career. There was another general nominated for the position, I forgot the name, who refused. Marshall promised quick promotion or sort of things to Stillwell to go to China, they were buddies.

[@Man-with_a-crooked_glance]

From what i read stillwell was chosen because he can speak Chinese and studied their language, hence why marshall sent him to china.

[@mensch1066]

@@Man-with_a-crooked_glance That and Marshall felt he owed him. Stilwell was next on the promotion list when the European command came up. He allowed Eisenhower to be sent in his place (thank goodness, given how prickly Stilwell was). So when the Chinese command came up Marshall was really loathe to pass over Stilwell again, especially since Stilwell spoke Chinese, as you mentioned.

[@briantarigan7685]

Stillwell's used of Nationalist China's best unit in Burma is borderline criminal negligence, he ignores all advice from chinese commanders who straight up told him that even the most modern chinese unit at that time can't be used like american or british forces, their mobility as unit is much more limited and their use as an offensive forces must be accompanied by a substansial numerical superiority due to their lack of material, but stilwell ignores all of these advice and ends up destroying many of China's best units that can be use better in their own homeland The way he also basically blackmailed chiang is also pretty disgusting, but it show just how weak china really is at that time for Stilwell to use that low of a tactic.

[@wuhaninstituteofvirology5226]

Actually, not all KMT best units were in Burma, such as the 74th and the 11th, which were never sent to there, and the 74th was the most decorated KMT unit.

[@tkling5909]

It was a disaster that the US sent this unqualified general to China to further deepen its woes.

[@tkling5909]

@@aldousroot363 he did worsen the situation. You have to remember China had been fighting alone in this war for four years. All the promises that the US made had not come true, and they ended up with this guy. China needed supplies, not a tough coach.

[@tkling5909]

@@aldousroot363 And what does the OSS have anything to do with Stilwell's blunders? And I'm not sure which "guerrilla"(thats how its spelled by the way, gorilla is an animal) forces you're talking about. Its pretty evident the entire Burma campaign was a disaster. The coordination was almost none existent, but Stilwell was so eager to show off he risked China's best troops for nothing.

[@tomau0506]

@@tkling5909 China needed a band of tough coaches, but it could never been outsiders...

[@shatterquartz]

3:55 Western popular perception associates these outfits with Mao and especially the Cultural Revolution, but in fact they were commonly worn for decades before the Communist takeover, and known as Sun Zhongshan suits.

[@gsmiro]

Both Chiang and Mao wears that type of jacket. And most educated men wear that during that era as well. However it has now been strongly associated with Mao.

[@golabdurrahman660]

can't wait for video about operation Ichi-go

[@realtimehistory]

already working on it

[@aprince1250]

It's a shame that the US denied Chiang's request for troops, aircraft and material. What he was asking for was a fraction of what was being sent to the USSR and may have been able to prevent the eventual communist takeover after the war.

[@tkling5909]

My thoughts exactly! Why was the US still sending large amounts of equipment to USSR after 1943 was a mystery for me.

[@DoniBambang-bj5oy]

​@@tkling5909 USA foreign policy is stupidnes is beyond imagination

[@NuiJagaa]

You're grossly overestimating the ability of the US to influence the Civil War's outcome. The KMT's main weaknesses, namely the rampant corruption and lack of compelling vision for what China should look like, were beyond Washington's ability to control. I think a semi-useful comparison would be the Vietnam War. Despite hundreds of thousands of American boots on the ground and an overwhelming material superiority, the North still won.

[@tkling5909]

@@NuiJagaa That’s a classic ccp propaganda. Corruption is never the deciding factor in war. Vietnam war is a bad comparison as south Vietnam was a state completely carved out and created by foreign powers. Nationalist china had existed long before, and they had managed to emerge victorious over decades of civil war before japan invaded.

[@HistoryHaty]

Love these documentaries. So epic and well edited. Thanks Jessie for covering China’s part in World War II. They are the forgotten ally of World War II and there part in the war against Japan is not talked about.

[@joeyjojojrshabadoo7462]

I'm so glad America and China could stay friends to this very day.

[@Barwasser]

If you are talking about the Republic of China (Taiwan), you are right.

[@aprince1250]

Glad someone beat me to the Taiwan reference.

[@SecNotSureSir]

I actually laughed when I read that.

[@CashSache]

Unfortunately, the US couldn't accept the fact that the facists lost.

[@skypilot7162]

Things might have been different if the Allies had steadily supported Chaing Kai Shek instead of destabilizing him in favor of Mao.

[@oldesertguy9616]

Another great video. It has to be maddening to leave out a lot of detail in order to make these videos a manageable/ watchable length.

[@realtimehistory]

we will probably add a few more things when we release the Supercut of all episodes in one video. but yes, even then it's hard to chose

[@gagamba9198]

Omissions are a disservice to history.

[@oldesertguy9616]

@gagamba9198 omissions are necessary, or the researchers could never stop to actually create a video. We are always learning new things, and you can't include everything. They have to decide what is relevant.

[@3komma141592653]

This is the best military history channel on KZbin by a big margin. Thanks for your high quality content!

[@jessealexander2695]

Thanks!

[@indianajones4321]

Nice doc RTH

Japanes War against China is am quite astounding on so many levels. The sclae of it. The crualty and how sucessfull the Chinese nationalists ultimatly were inspite of all the difficulties.

[@jessealexander2695]

Yes, it's been a fascinating subject to get into.

[@The_ZeroLine]

They did it to Western enemies much of the time. They had little access to Western women so we don’t know exactly what they would have done if they had.

[@dabo5078]

@@The_ZeroLine We do know in HK or in Indonesia what they did to Dutch and British

[@stanmans]

It would be honorable to name and recognize all those who participated in the raid and not just J. Doolittle. The raid took great courage for these in the planes knowing what could or would happen to them. I do not recall ever hearing or reading the names of those that participated other than Doolittle. I’ve read about the final destinations of the planes but never the names of those who sacrificed so much to save democracy. I’m not taking away the heroism of J. Doolittle but we should all add the heroism of those who took part

[@rkitchen1967]

Whenever I hear the old trope that the U.S. is the only country to use nuclear weapons, I remind them that Japan is the only country to use modern biological weapons. That's where I usually drop the mic.

[@The_ZeroLine]

It was a thoroughly nasty war. The US was only in about 7th or 8th place when it came to atrocities committed. The atomic strike is just something easily understood and easily pointed at.

[@alehaim]

I would love a video on the Chinese civil war and how the communists prevailed over the nationalsits with your detail and production value

[@realtimehistory]

exactly this is currently scheduled for December

[@gsmiro]

@@realtimehistoryit’s the saddest part of modern Chinese history. A war torn nation came out on the winning side of the war and was about to go on the path of peace and stability, then plunged into darkness and tyranny again. Looking forward to your documentary!

[@livethefuture2492]

@@gsmiro The best hope for china was back in 1910...perhaps its only hope. when the original republic was founded by Sun yat sen. ...after that it was only downhill from there. Imagine if the Republic had managed to stabilize itself in those early years. A unified democratic China, with friendly ties to the West and America in particular. How different could the future of East Asia had been if that had been the case.

[@taiwanstillisntacountry]

​@@gsmiroKeep drinking the cool-aid 😂😂😂😂😂

[@bigsarge2085]

I'm always learning, thank you!

[@MikeHunt-fo3ow]

i still cant believe usa let the emperor be free and that nutty doctor

[@Khaoki]

Japan would not have surrendered if the Emperor was on the chopping block.

[@kaiserchan4683]

Japan still has their emperor to this day, but operates as a constitutional monarchy like the Netherlands or England

[@theotherohlourdespadua1131]

If keeping the emperor means your occupation troops don't get ganked in the shadows every night or day that's better. Don't forget those occupation soldiers happen to be tax-paying voting Americans who have relations back home who can vote and pay taxes. Every death is a loss of vote for those in power...

[@flarvin8945]

@@Khaokiyou do know that the Japanese surrendered unconditionally? So "the emperor was on the chopping block," it just the USA felt occupation would be easier with the emperor remaining. Which is mostly true.

[@MikeHunt-fo3ow]

@@kaiserchan4683 thats what it says on paper anyway

[@ASMRHistorywithSophie]

Your videos are always amazing! Thank you for posting this

[@The_ZeroLine]

It’s also important to remember the Nationalist Army did 95% of the fighting. The PLA only came out of hiding when the war was essentially over to take power + they pillaged & looted their own country side.

[@DanielMak1234]

When the Communist China and Japan reestablished relations, the Japanese PM apologised for the invasion but Mao actually thanked the Japanese for the invasion because he thought that's how the CCP came to power en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong_thanking_Japan_controversy

[@welcometonebalia]

Thank you.

[@theawesomeman9821]

Forgot China and the US fought on the same side. Now I know why few Chinese and Americans are aware of such history.

[@edison7300037]

depends on which china you're talking about, if you know what i mean.

[@theawesomeman9821]

@@edison7300037 both the nationalists and the CCP never had great relations with the US. The ruling Democratic Progressive Party in Taiwan has a pro-American stance though.

[@mohammedsaysrashid3587]

It was an informative 👍🏻 and great historical coverage episode about Chinese bleak circumstances during 1942,1943 and 1944 ( Japanese invasion, internal catastrophes & allies mismanagements of war efforts in China, Burma ... This magnificent episode revealed some information 👌 that others didn't talk about!however, allot thanks for (RTH) channel for sharing..

[@marceldavis5600]

Btw can you tell us where u got the map from at 10:35 I think the borders of Tibet are not quite right here. It has a lot of land of Qinghai in it. I couldn't find it in your sources.

[@gsmiro]

Thank you for a very informative and unbiased description of the situation in China during that time period! And the truthful report on Chiang, Mao and Stilwell. The mainstream US history usually sides with Stilwell and portrays Chiang as the evil corrupt dictator and portrays Mao as the peasant reformer that wants the best for China. So thank you for a realistic portrayal of all these characters. And Generallimiso Chiang is still the real hero of China during the darkest days of war against Japan and the Communists.

[@zhengtianpei5987]

你宣传蒋介石，那我也可以认为某位德国领导人也是德国真正的英雄了

[@taiwanstillisntacountry]

Cool-aid must be very delicious

[@oneshotme]

I very much enjoyed your video and I gave it a Thumbs Up

[@micahistory]

At least the alliance would work out splendidly

[@skypilot7162]

0:34 Ah, the Doolittle Raid: where our airmen were imprisoned for a year by our great “allies,” the USSR. They HAD to do it because they were super worried about adhering to the laws of neutrality.

[@applepie4287]

The same USSR that just “happened” to lose track of the airmen letting them escape when transporting them.

[@carpecanem611]

Great video, but I have to argue with your closing remark.

[@alexb.8455]

Coming from Nebula for the Algo

[@MrDaviyd]

super high quality videos, thank you so much

[@joegordon5117]

Another fascinating piece, sadly rendered incredibly frustrating to watch as Google ran the same ad for Google lens every two minutes throughout the entire video, making it almost unwatchable with so many, frequent ad interruptions

[@jeremymackevincaylor5041]

Damn bro your English is on point now.thank you

[@jessealexander2695]

It's my mother tongue, so I hope it's on point!

[@marceldavis5600]

Very interesting topic

[@aa1944-k2r]

the US allowed all the war criminals of the Japanese 731 units to go free, but, the Japanese had to pass all the details of the experiments they did and the results to the Americans. there is no justice in this world, never, but whoever is the strongest will dictate everything, this is the most important lesson.

[@aprince1250]

The Asian version of Operation Paperclip.

[@otten5666]

Do you really think it would be better to ignore the valuable lessons learned from that information that has saved many lives since then? You're just a kid trying to sound deep using the dead bodies of those Chinese you never met.

[@vjbd2757]

It's kinda morbidly funny that China is very mad at Japan for their invasions and atrocities yet far more people died from the Great Leap Forward from China's own doing yet they treat Mao as a hero.

[@applepie4287]

If I recall correctly it was more or less agreed upon that the “experiments” the Japanese carried out were more often then not worthless. The main reason for letting them off easy was because the US wanted to change Japan into a puppet state and as such they were inclined to let them off easy.

[@injusticeanywherethreatens4810]

*Thanks for finally saying it!*

[@JraghajivaAsraka]

In China, they thought Mao was a superman who not only held off the Japanese, but also managed to defeat KMT all by himself.

[@wicNKWD37]

Wonderful!

[@Arms872]

Slim>>Stilwell

[@jimmiemacd3603]

You look like John Travolta from Pelham 123

[@deezeed2817]

This is not entirely correct. The Communists were effective because they understood their strengths and weaknesses. They had no airpower, little artillery or tanks and had to deal with Nationalists distrust of arming them.

[@arifahmedkhan9999]

Completely false. Understanding "strength and weaknesses" doesn't mean anything. They hid until Chang Kai did their best and then they attacked.

[@gsmiro]

If you go back to the source documents, Maos directive was very clear, not to engage the Japanese military. Only carry on a few guerrilla operations, but mainly focus on the development of the Communist Party.

[@海人-n4t]

@@arifahmedkhan9999 And so they would rather be the idiot charging into battle completely in the absense of artillery and proper logistics and support, at least nationalists had artillery on the divisional level for most of the first rate armies, the communists could barely arm a division with the proper ammunition. With all due respect, if your line of thought revolves around purely the sense of contribution and with complete disregard and lack of responsibility to the forces you control will lead to the deaths of your men for no reason. Everyone here has goals, and the little interests and intentions they hide, you can't trust everyone, and you have your own goals you need to complete. Being a coward isn't a definition in the book of political manuveuring, if you can't win battles, you retreat and consolidate your forces, but on the other hand if you must, lives and manpower can be sacrificed, it is simply a matter of when and whether or not the benefit outweighs the gain. You truly underestimate the communist's situation compared to the nationalists. The CNRA had a continuous influx of ammunition and weapons given the unit was not cut off behind enemy lines and a first rate unit, even so logistics were poor and many units had to source food supplies locally on their own. Communist units, lol, they sourced the weapons and most of it from ambushing and looting Japanese convoys and remote bases. For reference, communist soldiers would be lucky to have a rifle, and if they did, they would get 8 bullets if they were lucky, 3 if they weren't per battle. The bulk of the manpower of both sides were mostly conscripts anyways, however nationalist forces evidently held an edge in manpower. If the communists did show themselves and fully exposed for a full cooperation the nationalists would have completely sacked them before the Japanese had and a reminder to you, Chiang was forced to cooperate with the communists. If Chiang had the chance the communists would have been vaporized on the spot. You are type of person to reprimand and judge a man retreating for retreating 10 steps when you yourself have already taken 50 steps. There are a few critical decisions and realizations Mao had to make and that was: in all likelihood the nationalists would not have lost an all out war right away assuming Chiang played his cards right which he did, holding out for years and dragging the Japanese into a stalemate. The second realization is the cohesion of communist units in conventional warfare, horrible, but they lacked an experienced officer corps following the long march in conventional warfare

[@taiwanstillisntacountry]

How was the Korean-War? Did the USA won? Like in the Vietnam-war? In Afghanistan?

[@kairutoredo8741]

I hope the Chinese never starve again

[@edison7300037]

with the technology we enjoy today ? nah.

[@taiwanstillisntacountry]

Care more for little-India. Ranked 111th on the hunger-index

[@livethefuture2492]

Whatever happened during the war, after the war we never should have allowed the communists to takeover completely. That mistake would haunt us for the rest of the Cold war, from Korea to vietnam, right until the present day.

[@taiwanstillisntacountry]

1.42B Chinese doesn't agree with. If the USA cares so much about the common Chinese, then where was the food for China during the famines of the 19-sixties?

[@装甲军]

henan suffered from famine because jiang blow up a dam without informing the civilian population

[@simplesimpleman]

Wow we the Burmese have always been in wars to this day. Maybe one day, there will be no more war in Burmese soil.

[@Sumit-Sh]

Foreigners, “Himālaya” is pronounced as “Him-aly”. Please pronounce properly, it shows respect 🙏

[@davidk7324]

Peasants, you say . . .

[@taiwanstillisntacountry]

India? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 The Republic of India didnt excist before 1947. You ment the British colon-nised British-Raj?

[@ShubhamMishrabro]

Ccp didn't won civil war till 1950 so china didn't existed before 1950 too by that logic. You know british raj was also known as British India?? But knowing how blind Chinese nationalist are I'm not surprised by your comment

[@kirilld6206]

If you call CPC CCP you can also call democratic and republican party modecratic and pureblican as well xD.

[@merlinwizard1000]

4th, 5 July 2024

[@Mrgunsngear]

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[@malvinderkaur541]

This is again propaganda against Japan of that time when actually Japan got brutaluzed