‘China is a frenemy’: Neil deGrasse Tyson on space race | Talking Post with Yonden Lhatoo

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Dr Neil deGrasse Tyson is one of the most recognisable scientists in the world. The American astrophysicist is renowned for combining wisdom and wit to break down complex ideas for his millions of fans. In this episode of Talking Post, Tyson sits down with SCMP chief news editor Yonden Lhatoo to discuss China-US competition in space, UFOs and life after death from a cosmic perspective.
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[@Elisa-mg3rc]

I'm not Chinese, but, despite the avalanche of anti-China propaganda, I feel as proud of China as I was. A country that in less than 40 years lifts its 1 billion citizens out of misery and become the number one economy and tech lead.

[@lusakomwakalenga]

We are boarding the bus bro

[@Sammasambuddha]

All thanks to 🇺🇸. We give. China takes. Then steals. Then lies. Then continually steals. You should be proud!

[@Elisa-mg3rc]

@@Sammasambuddha well, that's the perspective from the self-delusional and self-indulgent American bubble. For the other 95% of humanity the US is mostly a murderous, destructive and toxic empire of lies.

[@Sammasambuddha]

@@Elisa-mg3rc ok. Chinese bot.

[@NoohCee]

@shidoshirick OK jealousy bot.

[@jamesw.3065]

I'm a fan of the straight talking Mr. Lhatoo. I've seen other interviews conducted by Mr. Lhatoo on politics. However I'm pleasantly surprised that he interviewed one of foremost astrophysicist Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson. This was very stimulating and fun. Nice job.

[@canto_v12]

This is actually amazing to learn how reactive the US space programme was back in the day.

[@minyaksayur]

it's called a rivalry, the US is always motivated when it has a rival.

[@EmilianoArena]

And it still is

[@orbitalpotato9940]

@@minyaksayur motivatied to ensure by any means possible that they don't get surpassed.

[@mongenjeff]

it's also a key reason as to why communism fails - on paper everyone is equal and thus there is no competition, and so no incentive to push oneself.

[@canto_v12]

@@mongenjeff yep, pretty much why China abandoned pure communism in 1979, to spectacular results.

[@girmaybass68]

Neil, always to the point, explains complex issues very easy; I never get tired of listening to him.

[@rogerzen8696]

What a fantastic conversation!

[@SanoRay]

Dear Dr. Neil, I am listening to you from Cambodia. English is my second language. Thank you so much for making it all precise enough for many, if not millions, of us to understand all many of the topics you have presented so far. Also, thanks to Mr. Lhatoo and crews at SCMP for this conversation.

[@andrewadius142]

Neil is spot on!..critical thinking and problem solving are fundamental.

[@josephdewuhan]

At least, he is courageous in accepting the reality no matter if we agree with his political opinions or the silly term of frenemy. In this aspect, he is better than most politicians and war mongers in the US.

[@mikhelBrown]

He isn't lying. The U.S lawmakers do sees China as 'a Frenemy'. And he's not a politician but a scientist.

[@gliang9406]

Amazing interview... I wish we have more people like Neil everywhere, and of course we should try to be one like him.

[@fredfrond6148]

For the record, In the top 100 STEM universities In the world, Chinese universities are ranked higher than US universities. The US is still ranked higher in the number of top ten universities in the world. But China is aiming at those.

[@seetsamolapo5600]

How do they even measure those rankings for STEM?

[@fredfrond6148]

@@seetsamolapo5600 there are organizations that rank the universities by engineering curriculum and probably papers published.

[@dranzacspartan8002]

Great to see international co-operation and intellectual sharing. We all need to respond, when asked who we are, "I'm a Human Being" and when asked, where do you come from, we respond "Planet Earth". We need to unite and stop this ongoing division of people and countries around the world. We have far more similarities than differences.

[@yl128pang3]

US to NASA :stop working with China and don't share ISS with China. China :No problem. we will figure it out and build one. US to Google :stop doing business with Huawei and kick them out of Google Mobile Services. Huawei : No problem. We will figure it out. (Harmony OS) US to TSCM : stop making Kirin chips for Huawei. Surrender your customer trade secrets data to the Commerce department. Move your manufacturing facilities to Arizona. Huawei : No problem. We will find a way to make our own chips. It is too obvious that US is using the unfair practices to destroy the world supply chains. The world will eventually wake up to reliaze that America technology, products and services are not reliable. Why? Because you never know when they will sanction you for using US technology and services, including USD and SWIFT.

[@dranzacspartan8002]

@@yl128pang3 Mate ... you are spot on. Well summarised. 💯

[@megstlimlim3386]

US Western Allies have finally realised their monopolies era effectively dead

[@Tabula_Rasa1]

Every Neil deGrasse Tyson interview had been extremely informative, interesting and draw you in into his history. For someone that smart, he conveys his messages so well that even a normal person can understand it really well. It is a joy listening to his story.

[@zhoubaidinh403]

Before birth and after death, the evidence suggests that there's nothing, just state of non existence.

[@Superpooper-2020]

My inddia sh0uld f0cus 0n lifting p0vertty 90% 0f us Inddians live bel0w p0vertty line and my c0untry is spending tax m0nney 0n weap0nns ,statues and space pr0jects

[@MsOceanstar]

If US politicians can be objective like Dr Neil Degrasse Tyson, the world would be a lot more peaceful!

[@yqisq6966]

Man speaks frankly and honestly. Need more voice like his not petty politicians who only serve their own interest.

[@henryng9406]

Professor Tyson, Thank You 👍👍👏👏👏

[@tekmepikcha6830]

Never ask Neil an open-ended question Awesome interview!

[@paulheydarian1281]

He sure doesn't know how to stop himself.

[@mikicerise6250]

What a fantastic interview. Thanks SCMP for bringing us this, and to Dr. Tyson for sharing his sharp insight.

[@Superpooper-2020]

My inddia is spending all tax m0nney 0n weap0nns, statues and space programmes instead 0f feeeding us p0or hungrry inddians

[@Linkwii64]

Neil is a great person with wisdom he doesn't like taken side. He only want the advancement of humanity to work together but we have forces out there that want to divide and taken side. This is why I like Neil deGrasse Tyson and watch his StarTalk channel.

[@tonywang4032]

WOW SARRR VERY DANGEROUS !!!! 😠😠I WILL NEVER GO TO CHYNA !!!! 😠😠IM SO LUCKY LIVE IN SUPER INDIA 🇮🇳🤗 THE CLEANEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD , WE NEVER DO SCAM AND WE GIVE RESPECT TO ALL WOMEN THEY CAN WALK SAFELY ALONE AT NIGHT AND WE HAVE CLEAN FOOD AND TOILET EVERYWHERE 🇮🇳🤗🚽, I KNOW MANY POOR PEOPLE JEALOUS WITH SUPER RICH INDIA 🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗

[@beastmode8203]

We've 🇺🇸 heard what China said we know what they want and we would rather die than let them have it.

[@sircole4549]

Lol

[@NeostormXLMAX]

@@tonywang4032 btw the "india super clean" guy is pakistan not chinese, so you getting angry and making a parody account to make fun of chinese is not accomplishing anything

[@LeongGunners]

Not even sure if the US can compete with China in space the same way they did with the Soviet Union back then. The economics are completely different. If today's China wants to accomplish the same thing as the US, they could do it at a fraction of the cost. It won't even be an even competition.

[@blackrahk2037]

We can't

[@docaz9453]

China dont have the minds west still no their

[@roeyearl9431]

If he said China is a friend many would diss on him where he lives. Instead he chose the term frenemy, smart guy.

[@yaphonghor4409]

We know US has too many neocons!!!

[@dyrectory_com]

Thank you Neil deGrasse Tyson, thank you Yonden Lhatoo! I have shared this video. 👏🏼🙏🏼

[@Nivlekzhau]

Yonden is such a great listening and just letting Neil talk without interruption.

[@nostradamus2642]

The best SCMP interview so far.

[@prayforukraineplease7605]

2035

[@zakaryloreto6526]

Wonderful addition! All parts I’ve watched so far are great, Tyson is a smart and easy to understand man! He is completely right that our greatest advancements as a species arise from conflict and “not to die” mentality.

[@pt20829]

Always appreciate Dr. Tyson’s insight! Thanks for this interview.

[@SonyDjuana]

Another great Neil's interview, thanks SCMP for this.

[@taimalik1110]

China = a country led by a chemical engineer, before that a hydrological engineer, before that an electrical engineer, before that a political scientist, and before that a political scientist... America = a country led by a career politician & lawyer, before that a reality TV star & real-estate developer, before that a corporate lawyer, before that an oil prospector & lawyer, and before that a lawyer... the leaders of a country are a representation of what that country prioritizes in its value and social fabric...

[@beastmode8203]

The US led by a democracy. China led by an authoritarian totalitarian oppressive police state regime.

[@canadianbuddha9230]

Totally agree with this proposition

[@prayforukraineplease7605]

Yes, you are right!

[@ScoobieDoo-zy1rh]

@@rcane6842 more fake news but thanks. Uyghers wasn’t even a term 20-30 years ago. Tibet genocide ? That’s like 50-70 years and that’s still going on ? Apparently Chinese are having a hard time getting rid of Tibetans then 😂😂😂😂

[@EyFmS]

In the U.S they rely on administrations, that's why when you hear about government programs in the news they usually say..."the Bush administration, the Obama administration, the Biden administration, etc"...they put the emphasis on the team and not on one man, It's a more democratic view of things. As for China well... these seem to be the remnants of the cult of personality and it's only getting worst with the current president, I wouldn't be too exited about that.

[@emwhaibee]

Leave it up to Neil deGrasse to speak brutally honest yet objectively. Pzzz. 👌🏾👌🏾

[@MRT-co1sd]

He actually meant America is Frenemy to the world.

[@UglyTruth_UglyTruth]

Ya and China and Russia are the enemy of the world.

[@lettucesalad3560]

China - no allies.. and in disputes with all neighboring countries you mean.

[@netric4011]

Thanks for bringing Neil over. A big fan of him.

[@geektechpow4537]

Tyson is really a great smart guy. I'm impressed. Did not know him but started to get interested in what he does. Excellent interview.

[@Andre-sb2ci]

charming person, interesting conversation, incredible thoughts

[@evawen]

I am so glad to see you got to invite Neil deGrasse Tyson for an interview, i always wanted to know his opinion on China's space program.

[@jennyohara4011]

Excellent interview...

[@williamlouie569]

"The owners of this country don't want citizens that can think. They just want unquestioning, obedient workers. " George Carlin.

[@yl128pang3]

US to NASA :stop working with China and don't share ISS with China. China :No problem. we will figure it out and build one. US to Google :stop doing business with Huawei and kick them out of Google Mobile Services. Huawei : No problem. We will figure it out. (Harmony OS) US to TSCM : stop making Kirin chips for Huawei. Surrender your customer trade secrets data to the Commerce department. Move your manufacturing facilities to Arizona. Huawei : No problem. We will find a way to make our own chips. It is too obvious that US is using the unfair practices to destroy the world supply chains. The world will eventually wake up to reliaze that America technology, products and services are not reliable. Why? Because you never know when they will sanction you for using US technology and services, including USD and SWIFT.

[@yl128pang3]

"The owner of this country don't want citizens that can think. they just want them to be a surveillance state that believe in their President to sanction/to ban other countries/other companies.

[@nukestrom5719]

What a great interview.

[@mohdfareezalzamhir4037]

his answer so scientificaly truth. thank you for invite him.

[@7591warthog]

…. thanks for sharing this with us!!!!

[@emca1597]

"Twitter is a cesspool" prof Neil couldn't have said it better

[@blackscreenconversations]

I had a debate a couple of months ago on what wasvthe most important topics in math. I argued Probability and Statistics are the most important because they are the most immediate to anyone and everyone.

[@TY-ob7fz]

Neil, you are amazing and truths you share, thank you.

[@midnitelion5238]

Great interview with a brilliant man. The way he breaks down complex matters into understandable words/sentences is outstanding/compelling.

[@highdynamicphotographyfilm2235]

Neil is genius

[@paulheydarian1281]

Only in his own mind.😈

[@NoohCee]

@@paulheydarian1281 Hi, idiot.

[@paulheydarian1281]

@@NoohCee Well, hello to you...!!!🤣 Are you a thing? 🤔

[@hc1897]

"As a SCIENTIST, I don't care who does it." - Dr deGrasse Tyson, a true humanist.

[@stoneout6467]

No BS. Great Talk.

[@reynoldliao7462]

Why didn’t you question NDT why he thinks that China is an enemy? I consider that irresponsible journalism.

[@marlbankian]

Excellent

[@antn8387]

Neil, the MVP!!!

[@stennetmang]

He is brutal honest....love it

[@SPLITSLEEVE]

STEM graduates 2016, 6 years ago. China 4,700,000 , US 568,000

[@cecaloather8701]

Heh. It gets worse for Murica. How many of the 568000 are actual citizens rather than overseas students.

[@edkipp]

Pretty sure I am not one of them.😁😁

[@rastoferi6012]

Anyone thinks China should enact its own version of the Wolf amendment when its soon to be the only country with an operational space station?

[@questworldmatrix]

The US already has it in its own laws. They can't work with China by their own decree.

[@inyourphace1690]

Nah, you're thinking that the Chinese think like the Americans. They do not. It's one of many reasons the self-absorbed Americans have a hard time understanding how the Chinese society works.

[@ycaceres3357]

He is a diplomat now…

[@timromayale3018]

The legend of truthness I agreeing with him

[@tchomlim1913]

You both are Intelligent and inspiring people. 👍👍

[@mbvgvskvrs868]

Congratulations, Mr. Tyson, for being a true scientist.

[@Dominic-qn9om]

Based. New respect for this guy.

[@shaduck06]

what was the book that led to thst last quote

[@7591warthog]

…..just admirable, fascinating spirit …

[@hongqi5734]

Mr. Tyson is living proof against those who believe in racial superiority.

[@kindface]

One question Yhoden did not ask Neil: since Neil forms his beliefs and wisdom from evidence-based science, (a) does he acknowledge that there may be evidence of life after death that human currently have not yet devised a tool to measure, and (b) what may be some of the forms that those evidence must take in order to be definitive that life after death exists or at least may exist?

[@blackrahk2037]

Oblivion is the fate if all things. Nothing last forever.

[@genocidegrand2057]

great talk

[@peternjoyce]

Yonden Lhatoo should ask question on another mystery: “ as an evidence driven person, do you think the Uyghur genocide really exists? “

[@NeostormXLMAX]

that last part neil says about death, really reminds me of dr manhattan from watchman

[@silberlinie]

Neil is THE BEST

[@andrewgamertv372ndchannela5]

He's the man go get em tiger

[@renemartin5729]

It's an honor and a privilege to listen to Neil deGrasse Tyson. Thanks Neil, I have learned so much from you in the past 20 years.

[@donkeykong516]

China could have been a friend, but US didn’t welcome them to the ISS. So China built their own space station and has a chip on its shoulder. US very shortsighted

[@beastmode8203]

Oh no we're not short sighted. We're🇺🇸 going to win or the world's going to end.☢️

[@rowen5702]

lol

[@yohighness]

@@beastmode8203 It's the US way or nothing, innit. 😂

[@beastmode8203]

@@yohighness yup

[@fargr5926]

China could have been USA’s biggest and strongest ally, if USA didn’t choose to betray China over Yalta treaty and so on, by end of WW2.

[@shlee3120]

Joyfully living in the now!👍👍👍👍👍

[@bricsscorcepcstobriopecvsu8796]

AND ALSO AMERICAN IS AN "ENEMRIEND" TOO, FOLKS..!!!!

[@kentershackle1329]

China is expected to produce around 75 thousand STEM PhD graduates per YEAR by 2025, compared to its nearest competitor USA around 45k, but half of it are foreigners....

[@ALWH1314]

Have you visited MIT, CalTech recently? You should count how many american in the doctoral program instead of how many are foreigners.

[@blackknight4996]

Not that many. Stop Bull sheeting

[@creationfied]

this the guy wilding on twitter?

[@cherubimcherubim9515]

Everything is a race, usa was leading in the first 10 meters, China n others r catching up n overtaking usa.

[@beastmode8203]

They're not overtaking us no matter what or you will get Thucydide's trap.☢️

[@Zer0Dark30]

China cannot progress with boastfulness.

[@yzhang2008]

The ratio of the number of returned Chinese studnets to the stayed ones should be less that 0.1 according to what I've learnt.

[@portfedh]

Makes me wonder what could happen if China and the US cooperated instead of competing.

[@edkipp]

All Americans eat noodles and all Chinese eat nice juicy steaks.

[@yaphonghor4409]

US even treats the EU nations as enemies!

[@VICE-H3RO]

Competition = Holy Capitalism Cooperation = Evil Communism

[@yu-jd5jg]

If you want to treat China as a friend, China is happy to be a friend. But if you want to treat China as an enemy, China is fully prepared. It is all up to the US but its sincerity must be able to stand the test of time

[@edwardtran1974]

Wow. Yondon listened to an American

[@ViceCoin]

I wished I'd applied for a plasma physics PhD in the old USSR.

[@yaugin]

When they were talking about aliens they kept saying "among us"

[@shinx3689]

0:42

[@orbitalpotato9940]

Amogus

[@oliviawutam]

Get this the US never landed and returned to the moon , NEVER,

[@suzannebrown2505]

I understand what you mean and quite agree with the absence (mostly) of critical thinking. I have taught myself to use this way of perceiving everything and, therefore, think much more deeply of everything and use more logic in interpreting my views.

[@hermanhsu5994]

Too short, but thumb up.

[@brad5426]

0:01 bruh why does this narrator sound like Stewie Griffin 💀

[@enpan2288]

All kinds of new words are invented to describe this relationship between US and China. I wonder which one of them can make the Americans actually accept their reality?

[@kevingilbert6242]

All living things have similar DNA markers, except for the octopus. It has absolutely no similar DNA markers to anything else on Earth yet found.

[@blackrahk2037]

You aren't going back far enough. They branched of super early

[@pan2aja]

To be a friend of US can be lethal

[@vivafreedom4947]

TO BE AN ENEMY OF USA YOU WLL FORCE YOURSELF TO "SUFFER AS YOU MUST"

[@mightysparrow9632]

Many were also sent to the USSR which also had a powerful lead in science

[@JJ-uo9tj]

Let the best win! If you aren't the best, move over. Souring and destruction doesn't work for humanbeings!

[@gayatrisardana6076]

🤟

[@jparsit]

Innovation can be done without war. My people said war brings innovation that is only American and western ways. It is a wrong idea.

[@iqbang9236]

The title should be more like "Russia is a frenemy"... and it's about his new book promotion.

[@jomertomale]

The world will be a better place if everything could be like sports, all for glory and honor. But no, some are just sore losers they can't take an L so they start wars, at the cost of the lives of their own people

[@hi4806]

🎉🎉🎉

[@MichaelAChang]

Imagine if the likes of Neil deGrasse Tyson ran the U.S. government, or at least participated at a senior decision-making level.

[@RJ-pe6uj]

These machines that Ancient Gods left behind are operating till this day.

[@0animalproductworld558]

Brilliant people are harmless and know what godliness is 🐇

[@unifieddynasty]

It's unfortunate that competition is better than cooperation at stimulating innovation. Perhaps being 'frenemies' is not such a bad thing, provided we stay as 'frenemies' and don't become just 'enemies'. If only aliens came here to invade us; then we could have innovation and cooperation. 😀

[@M_Jono]

Human landed on the moon in 60's technology is hard to believe , they always said the problem is the fund but if that was true there are so many countries will fund this project just like CERN project.