China’s 7nm Breakthrough: How Far Can China Push its Technology?

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Timestamps:
00:00 - Huawei 7nm Chip
02:58 - The main concern about process nodes (7nm, 5nm?)
07:14 - China's 7nm Technology Explained
10:03 - The Main Challenge
12:27 - How Far Can China Push Its Technology?
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[@AnastasiInTech]

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[@faizanalso]

Thank you

[@Privacityuser]

please make an game so people can reproduce nano circuits to learn hardware eng

[@ROBOTRIX_eu]

Hi, @AnastasiInTech ! Love from Portugal! .. No need to answer, just an idea for a future video, maybe.. .. .. . On the chanel @Computerphile, there is one (and extra episode), about Trinary computing...the professor talks about the 100% entropy eficiency it has.. Russia was pioneer with the trinary computer "Setun".. one or 2 youtube channels (in russian) dedicate thmselves on creating trinary computer/hardware, but, i guess with binary computing designed electronics.. I guess, to create such a system, even assemblers and S.O. to take advantage of such a system, would be necessary to be designed, BUT, even on theory (and discarding the fact that binary system studies are tought currently in educational systems around the world..mostly), would such a system, have advantages, or after these years, a complete tecnological dismiss? Also, how would it look like a contemporary trinary chip, in theory, nowasays? Thxs!

[@vhrui904]

Can you make an opinion about Chinese paper on SSMB generated EUV ?

[@MozartificeR]

Will you really see us in the next video? Think about it. Is this true:) LOL

[@morningstararun6278]

Unlike some toxic youtubers, you didn't mix politics in videos regarding China, rather you stuck to science. It is in itself a great quality content.

[@SeanHogan_frijole]

In this matter you can’t separate out politics as Taiwan’s silicon shield is one of the biggest reasons the US will continue to support Taiwanese independence as the Republic of China.

[@morningstararun6278]

@@SeanHogan_frijole I just read your other comment, in which you said "If TSMC loses its supremacy over Chinese chip manufacturers, it is screwed". I don't know what TSMC losing to China has to do with getting screwed.

[@voltydequa845]

523K of views. Why? Because talking about nothing, presented as it was about science, meets the cognitive capacity of the masses. It's kind of ego-placebo - click, see, learn nothing, parrot that nothing as it was something. I bet that in China this kind of pseudoscitainment is marginal, if at all. And that's why China's going ahead, while we remain stuck on frivolous appeasement of our ego.

[@Ludak021]

@@morningstararun6278 Since TSMC is moving to Vietnam and everything is going to be even more expensive because of that move, companies that require chips might seek slots in SIMC instead of bidding for slots in TSMC. These SIMC chips will be enough for most companies needs except those that need top of the line chips (the likes of nVidia and Apple that started building FABs for their own use so TSMC is already going to loose those businesses). I hope I've helped. Or maybe you were just joking and referred to screwing as an act of something using screws, or having sex in the butt? Who knows... :)

[@morningstararun6278]

@@Ludak021 That person was insinuating that if TSMC loses it's tech superiority over China, it is gonna lose US' support to defend against China. I knew what he was meaning, and I don't agree that China will one day decide to simply invade China. What you said sounds totally out of line with what I said.

[@potblack243]

one thing i impressed about chinese is how humble they are. they'll never tell you how far they had achieved. instead, they will let you proud and brag and thinking they are lacking far behind. and then in the right timing, they shock you with their achievements

[@Moses_VII]

This is the way of Sun Tzu. Appear weak when you are strong.

[@michaelzap8528]

@@Moses_VII brag as superpower when u really weak like India

[@chenmacro]

Because if they keep saying, they will get more sanction very quickly 😂

[@SPECIALTRADER1]

Doesn't still constantly as well? 🥸🤡​@@HiAndyDog

[@Orcalein7367]

@@Moses_VII ... and appear strong when you are weak , the CCP version is to lie about everything, just like the Biden administration

[@bboxue7588]

As long as the chip is human made, The chinese people can make it any way. Do not underestimate anyone and Do not overestimate yourself.

[@milexiangyangli5666]

​​@user-yp4oq6iy7q- (China) - 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 - (Remembers) - (Meng Wan Zhou) - (Un - Lawful) - (Arrest) - 🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨 - & - (Absurd) - (Detention) - 🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨 -

[@slendsunny8272]

There is only so much cheap laborers you can harvest for, and duplicate still much easier than create.

[@user-qz8yj6ft5u]

Yeah，Vietnam, Africa, South America ... labor is cheaper there. Go harvest

[@TaiwanNationStatusQuo]

Don't overestimate yourself, especially if you are Chinese. Chips aren't easy, especially if it's a real business.

[@xw8462]

​@@TaiwanNationStatusQuobuy a PRC flag, you will need it soon.

[@fofoqueiro5524]

While Huawei phone sales persist, SMIC will maintain the financial resources necessary for iterative processes. Engineering heavily relies on the cycle of trial and error. The most effective method to undermine a nation's industry is to flood the market with cutting-edge chips at lower prices, discouraging local companies from pursuing iterative improvements. "Ban" sounds powerful in politics but in fact powerless in engineering.

[@edwardyang8254]

I have a PhD in EECS and wrote dozens of papers but you explain this thing so clearly and simply it's better than I would have been able to do. Bravo!

[@TimW-to3hh]

@user-fiendly186what a White arragont nature！Chinese schoolars are more humble.

[@ahieeston6746]

10 tahun yang akan datang kemungkinan besar, China akan menjadi pusat pembelajaran Teknologi Dunia, Universitas yang membanggakan dan terkemuka akan berpusat di China. Mata dunia ada di China, negara negara yang ingin maju mulailah bersahabat,bekerja sama, berhubungan dengan baik dan saling menguntungkan dari sekarang.

[@sayaandyangsaya2756]

AS mahu perang, Cina mahu kerjasama dan aman.

[@univera1111]

China has been that thousands of years ago.

[@KlodFather]

@@univera1111 - And then they destroyed their culture. The only real Chinese culture, religion, art, and tradition is found on Taiwan where the legitimate chinese government is in exile. That is what makes the WuMao so crazy.

[@ghanvedsingh8946]

Where are you from?

[@RakutenZero]

😂 Coping Wumao, their 7nm are a dud junk.

[@strongchallenger2269]

Huawei scientist once said, chips aren't created by God. They are human's creation.

[@SuperUAP]

Ancient Alien Theorist say there is no way a human could create such a thing, they Had to have been created by aliens. 😅😂😂

[@cheekibreeki9515]

Except they forget 1 important thing. By God's will. Of course everyone capable of innovate the impossible but if god not willing, it won't work

[@JohnnyWednesday]

@@cheekibreeki9515 - This God guy sounds like a real nasty piece of work - I'm glad he's not real.

[@CrazyProgrammer16]

Actually this was said by BYD CEO.

[@IA100KPDT]

@@cheekibreeki9515 Lazy people always used God as excuse.

[@mojoNoodlz]

Many people today could probably still use a high-end mobile phone released 3 or 4 years ago without any real issues. So I'm sure the KIrin 9000s is good enough even at 7nm. This is Huawei's comeback CPU and I'm sure better things are yet to come.

[@DarkPa1adin]

My SD870 feels slow. Could be optimisation issue instead

[@terjeoseberg990]

I’m using an iPhone 7, and it’s fine. The issue is cost though. How much do these chips cost compared to the TSMC chips?

[@danielch6662]

I'm using a mid- to low-end (aka budget) phone from 3 or 4 years ago. It's fine still. The problem these days is not so much the processor speed. It's when you run out of storage, everything grinds to a halt. And you have to start moving files to your computer, deleting stuff, removing software. Especially bad if your phone doesn't support a microsd, and you are using memory hogs like WhatsApp/WeChat. WeChat hogs more memory, but WhatsApp does not allow you to move the media folder off internal memory. That was actually the reason why my mom had to replace her phone. The old one still works perfectly otherwise.

[@danielch6662]

I am using a mid to low-end phone from 3 or 4 years ago. It's fine. The problem these days is not so much the processor speed. It's storage. When storage runs out, everything grinds to a halt, and you have to start deleting stuff or get a new phone.

[@terjeoseberg990]

@@danielch6662, If memory is the issue, getting a new phone is identical to erasing your old one. For me it’s the battery that’s the problem. I don’t want a faster phone, but rather one that has a longer battery life. If the battery life isn’t longer, it’s not worth upgrading.

[@Fightback2023]

Huawei already announced their upcoming kiri 9100 chip would be 5nm.

[@johnnopeyy4129]

The design of the Huawei Mate 60 is gorgeous. Good job. 👍

[@user-sj3qz9yo3f]

Great unbiased video! Hard to find a pure-engineering, no-political-bias video these days.

[@forgaoqiang]

talks about facts not the political

[@user-xl9np7jq1w]

The social media has been controlled by the US 's government ,so this kind of video is not common

[@moveit707]

😂😂Of course if she say bad against China she will ban in the country 😅😅😅 that's the truth

[@ningh-it8qu]

@@moveit707在中国并且说中国坏话的还少吗？

[@moveit707]

@@ningh-it8qu tong ching instsik wakang mga instsik damkng kinalng wkhdjs kdiay?

[@entertainmentjoke2871]

Even if it is more expensive to be purchased, i will still willing to fork out few hundred bucks as individual... because i want to see another player in this field and not being monopolized by a single company...

[@Johnnyaz169]

Me too

[@hernantuquero5969]

Not by China though.

[@entertainmentjoke2871]

@@hernantuquero5969 you can stick to USA made phone. Just make sure you drop greeting msg to CIA.

[@huangyunduixue5387]

是的

[@jediduke190]

Got HUAWEI Mate 60 in hand now, very smooth with Harmony OS, you have to try it yourself. And, its not that expensive bro

[@Neuvari]

thank you US for helping china rapidly developing their own chip industry LOL

[@qwerty6789x]

love Bullies getting owned,😂 hopefully China stop trading to all these NATO Nations

[@thetroytroycan]

We shall see about that. --USA Innovation.

[@erwinlee2842]

​@@thetroytroycanalready seeing but not believing

[@adampojo]

It was the Dutch

[@HafiZzZzZz]

Yup but when will USA be able to develop her own Rare Earth industry 😂😂😂

[@ChipChat1493]

Finally we can hear a real expert opinion about the Kirin 9000S chip. Thank you.

[@univera1111]

I have been waiting for her ever since they announced the Kirin 9k. All other platform talking gibrish

[@greggpon7466]

Thank you for the commentary, regarding the Huawei Kirin chip, from an ACCURATE engineering scientific point of view. Most people explaining the appearance of this chip have even less knowledge than the little I have.👍

[@dacherx]

I dont believe yield is low, definitely not below 50% or the 30% you quote. No money can widen the DUV machines bottleneck, and they could not manage MASS ptoduction with poor unreliable yields. Finally experts who examined the new Kirin under electron microscope say the transistor elements and layers are very clean and with high quality edges means they are not pushing beyond their equipment or skill resulting in inconsistent quality.

[@hughmungus2760]

and now you know why the china haters are going mad trying to come up with explanations.

[@Post-it2363]

They can mass produce because they ordered truckloads of DUV’s from ASML. It’s a big step they have managed N7 or even N5, but it’s not clear whether production is actually profitable. But this may not be a huge concern for China at this stage. The question is, what is the next step without EUV…

[@KrazeDiamond]

But...but...according to the two smartest Semiconductor Engineers SerpentZa & Laowhy86, the Kirin chip is shit. 😆

[@hughmungus2760]

@@KrazeDiamond ahh yes, those two absolute renaissance men with expertise in economics, military strategy, robotics, renewable energy systems, finance, geopolitics, electric vehicles, structural engineering, urban planning, political science, aerospace and now semiconductors. truely where do they get the time to learn all that while riding around china being glorified tourists.

[@KrazeDiamond]

@@hughmungus2760 They're also Super Spies that know secrets about the Chinese Govt that even CIA doesn't 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Dorae-ur-mom]

This is like the school bully doesn't want you to get help from teachers and bans other students feom giving books to you, but you still manage to top the exams 😂🇨🇳❤

[@hungphita]

❤

[@zes3813]

wrrrr

[@henryyuen5224]

It’s the most inspirational real life story ever isn’t it

[@commie5211]

There are a few issues, Huawei themselves never said it is 7nm or 5nm. They only said the performance is comparable to their competitors. Also they emphasize the importance of architecture and software optimization, 4 of the larger cores they used are their in house designed taishan cores(used on their servers previously).

[@johnsmith-cw3wo]

also say is 4G, but the speed is kinda' 5G.

[@commie5211]

@@johnsmith-cw3wo No, they did not say it is 4g or 5g, simply no logo next to the signal bar. using sim card with no speed limiter, it is actually faster iPhone14, in both download and upload. basically, they removed all traditional marketing terms.

[@scalarnai]

It's all double Dutch to me but hey bravo to Huawei.

[@Ateshtesh]

So far I know, the USA check the chip by themselves and also said that those are 7nm chips.

[@commie5211]

@@Ateshtesh most likely it is 7nm. I am just trying to say, they changed their standard classifing the chips already. since resistors density is roughly the same under 10nm. The real performance difference will be decided why chip designs and software.

[@paultsjan6047]

Huawei and SMIC achievement is amazing and it is good for the world and for China. Way to go!

[@urbandecay3436]

Why is it good for the world? If North Korea had the same technology would you say that is good for the world?

[@paultsjan6047]

@@urbandecay3436 The US is not the world and many countries is not beholden to US hegemony and US supremacy. The US apply sanctions on another sovereign countries and force sanctions onto other countries and expect other countries to fully accede to US demands and full submission to US interests and US foreign policy?!?! The US wanted to destroys China and its economy in order to prevent China from competing with the US. The US Bureau of Industry and Security issued a document with its 139 pages of dense bureaucratic jargon and minute technical detail is a declaration of economic war on China. The US wanted to destroys China and its economy in order to prevent China from competing with the US. The US government announced its intention to cripple China’s ability to produce or even purchase the highest-end chips. The US wanted to impact China’s A.I. industry and the semiconductor stuff is the means to that end. China was cut off not just from importing the most advanced chips, but also from acquiring the inputs to develop its own advanced semiconductors and supercomputers, and even from the U.S.-origin components, technology and software that could be used to produce semiconductor-manufacturing equipment to eventually build their own fabs to make their own chips. After Oct. 7, the US forbids any persons to engage in any activity that supports the production of advanced semiconductors in China, whether by maintaining or repairing equipment in a Chinese fab, offering advice or even authorizing deliveries to a Chinese semiconductor manufacturer. For China, the race for technological self-sufficiency presents perhaps a greater challenge than any the country has faced. Yet if any country can overcome such a challenge, it is likely to be China. The Oct. 7 export controls, while crippling China’s advanced chip-making ability for the foreseeable future, may end up spurring long-term growth. Now Chinese companies must innovate together or die. Should a large share of China’s $400 billion in annual chip imports be turned inward, domestic chip companies may finally have the means and motivation to catch up. In 2020, Huawei was the largest smartphone seller in the world, with an 18% market share, besting even Apple and Samsung. Huawei’s revenues plunged by nearly a third in 2021, and the company sold off one of its smartphone brands in a bid to stay afloat. By 2022, its share had fallen to 2 percent. The Oct. 7 rules represented the sum of everything U.S. policymakers had learned about semiconductors, supply chains and American power. The US measures were announced to destroys Huawei as direct reaction to a perceived weakness in the Huawei controls. But there are signs of life. Despite the plunge in profits, revenues rose slightly, and the company’s operating system, Harmony OS which it developed after being cut off from using Android, has been installed on more than 380 million devices, mostly in China. Huawei remains one of the world’s biggest spenders on research and development, with a budget of about $24 billion last year and a research team of over 100,000 employees. Bereft of American chips and technology, Huawei has been forced to redesign and remanufacture all of its legacy products to ensure they contain no American components. The company is dragging along an entire domestic supply chain in its wake, sending its own engineers to help train and upscale Chinese suppliers it once shunned in favor of foreign alternatives. Recently, Huawei has made significant breakthroughs in the electronic design software used to produce advanced semiconductors at a size that, though still a few generations behind the US. If Huawei manages to succeed, it could emerge from American sanctions stronger and more resilient than ever. Huawei unveiled its latest Mate 60 Pro that is powered by a 7 nanometer processor. It is a breakthrough in China chipmaking ability given the US and Western sanctions. The US has been trying to freeze China out of the high end semi-conductor industry with all kind of dirty means to prevent China from completing with the US on the highly lucrative technology. The US like to portrays other countries as an antagonists and as well as an adversary when the US face with competition in chip technology which the US regard it as their domains and sphere of influence and will not accept any competition from another country. The US has been trying to freeze China out of the high-end semi-conductor industry with all kind of dirty means to prevent China from completing with the US on the highly lucrative technology. The US tries to kill Huawei on the ground of national security threats. The US undermine and sabotage Huawei through launching extrajudicial probes and even put out a provisional US extradition request on Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou which the US are alleging that Huawei violated the US's sanctions by selling American equipment to Iran, via shell companies set up by Ms Meng. The US announced financial fraud charges against Ms Meng. Ms Meng is under house arrest in Canada on the request by the US. The effects of sanctions cause Huawei US$30 billion annual loss in its smartphone business thereby losing its profitable cellphone and telecommunication business. Whenever the US tries to impose sanctions and bans China from developing chip technology, China will have to work hard to build its own technology to counteract and to redress the US actions in order to save China own industries and development. The US is using its national security strategy and sanctions to forbid China from advancing into high end development and technology. The US is implementing laws to hold on to its high end technology by preventing other countries in competing with US that threatened its monopoly over advanced technology that is the highest form of technology available. The US is trying to prevent China from surpassing them in chip technology by imposing all kind of restriction and sanctioning China in accumulating advanced technology. China will have to work hard to build its own technology to counteract and to redress the US actions in order to save China own industries and development. Nothing change when the US felt threatened in losing control of the chip industries, and tried to use all kind of sanctions including banning chip sales to China and implementing the Chips and Science Act- The Creating Helpful Incentives to Produce Semiconductors and Science Act of 2022 (CHIPS Act), signed into law on August 9, 2022, is designed to boost US competitiveness, innovation, and national security. The law aims to catalyze investments in domestic semiconductor manufacturing capacity. The US even tries to force South Korean’s Samsung and Taiwan’s TSMC to build their semiconductor industries to jump-start its own high tech industries to the US. The US force other countries from cooperating with China with regard to manufacturing and selling machines in manufacturing high technology chips. The US is making a mockery of its own market mechanism by using laws in curbing competition from other countries. Slowly but surely, China begins to make steady progress towards its high-tech industries. China stands at the forefront of leveraging chiplet technology to overcome sanctions and drive its semiconductor ambitions. Huawei has demonstrated resilience by harnessing chiplets, thus revolutionizing China's semiconductor landscape. Huawei's mastery of chiplet technology and the prospects of cross-border cooperation is the need of the hour to democratize technological advancements instead of stifling innovation with sanctions. Amid escalating tensions and Western sanctions limiting Huawei's access to advanced chip manufacturing tools, the company has displayed remarkable adaptability. Huawei's strategic response involves capitalizing on its semiconductor design prowess and forging partnerships, such as with Semiconductor Manufacturing International Co. (SMIC). By embracing chiplet technology, Huawei mitigates the impact of trade restrictions and cultivates a self-reliant and robust supply chain. Huawei achievement is good for the entire world and for China. The future of chips was life or death for China. The Wolfowitz Doctrine announces the US's status as the world's only remaining superpower and proclaims its main objective to be retaining that status. The US will discourage other countries from challenging the US leadership or seeking to overturn the established political and economic order. The US like to portrays other countries as an antagonists and as well as an adversary when the US face with competition in space or high-tech industries which the US regard it as their domains and sphere of influence and will not accept any competition from another country. The US must maintain the mechanisms for deterring potential competitors in other countries from even aspiring to a larger regional or global role. The US want to forestall and prevent other countries from challenging US hegemony and primacy. The US is nothing short of a tyrant and an oppressor to other countries around the world.

[@user-tc1xu6ow4d]

​@@urbandecay3436China is so different from north Korea, come to china check by yourself.

[@shiulai5804]

​@@urbandecay3436Yes. North Korea has not made wars for decades. The same cannot be said about America.

[@stevenhai2384]

It is really good for the consumers in the world because high end chip margin is super super high, but will soon drop with this new competition fm Huawei chips.

[@mounirb174]

Extremely well explained! Thanks for writing and sharing! Also: "There is a big difference between research and mass production!"

[@jacoballessio5706]

I really appreciate the work you put into these videos. It's very valuable. Looking forward to seeing you reach a million subscribers!

[@rowanhaigh8782]

You’re the first person I’ve had give a really good breakdown of how good the new Kirin chip actually is; thank you for your work. ❤

[@Zwordfish88]

lol because its just propagada delve into the chip and you will see this 2018 flagship chip. wow so crazy its comparable with an iphone X

[@gubradnev6817]

Actually its closer to Iphone 7 in performance. Its basically ancient tech at this point used in the lowest end devices today@@Zwordfish88

[@didierduplantier8359]

The chip is 5-8 years behind in both functions and performance. That is the reason why Huawei has been very low key about its launch 😂

[@tingtingchen6152]

Really?😜@@didierduplantier8359

[@ChineseKiwi]

@@Zwordfish88Anastasi would know more than any of us armchair experts combined as she is actually qualified to do so and in the industry. I’d rather listen to what she has to say eh.

[@tommyz0123]

So, China tech companies, mostly Huawei, is making their own design software/tools, designing their own chips, creating their own OS (Harmony) Soon, the world may see two alternatives to tech. It is a good thing for consumer and competition. Apple had been too complacent. No new advancement to the iPhone in the last few years.

[@johndrumpf9888]

Harmony OS is basically Android. The toolchain is all from Google, Linux, et al. They ain't making their own stuff, they're adapting open-source. Nothing compared to what Apple, Google, and other companies do.

[@freedoctor5309]

@@johndrumpf9888 How could a great company full of future idealism adopt Android's kernel architecture? Huawei Hongmeng system adopts an open source approach, and the source code has been posted on the official website. According to its source code, the kernel is developed based on C language, and some functional modules are written in a mixture of C language and C++. Generally speaking, the Hongmeng system is based on the C language and is jointly developed with some C++ language. Although Huawei's Hongmeng system and Google's Android system are both developed based on the Linux system, different development concepts lead to differences between the two. The Hongmeng system, like Apple's iOS system, does not use the virtual machine translation mode. Instead, it uses the C/C++ language to allow outer commands to reach the Linux kernel smoothly. Because the Linux kernel is written in the C/C++ language, it does not No extra translation is needed, and the Linux kernel can directly understand the meaning of the instructions. However, it is not realistic for Huawei's Hongmeng system to catch up with and surpass Google's Android system in a short period of time. Although the two are in a state of ebb and flow, it still takes time to achieve. There are two major problems with Huawei's Hongmeng system. One is ecosystem construction, and the second is that users' usage habits are difficult to change. According to the official introduction, Hongmeng system is a "future-oriented" operating system and a distributed operating system based on microkernel for all scenarios. Because it uses a microkernel, it can be flexibly deployed on different devices. Hongmeng system has a three-layer architecture. The first layer is the microkernel, the second layer is basic services, and the third layer is the program framework. Therefore, it can be adapted to almost all terminal devices: mobile phones, tablets, computers, TVs, smart cars, wearable devices, etc. Hongmeng system supports multiple development languages, mainly including C/C++, Java, JavaScript, Python, Kotlin, Swift, HTML5, etc. 12 Among them, C/C++ language is mainly used for system-level development and calling of underlying interfaces, Java language is widely used in application development, JavaScript is used for Web application and hybrid application development, and Python is gradually gaining popularity in fields such as data analysis and artificial intelligence. application. In addition, Hongmeng system also has a high-level language ArkTS designed specifically for itself. It is extended based on TypeScript and is suitable for application development of Hongmeng system. ArkTS language ArkTS is the application development language of Hongmeng Ecosystem. On the basis of maintaining the basic syntax style of TypeScript (TS for short), it imposes stricter constraints on the dynamic type characteristics of TS and introduces static types. At the same time, it provides declarative UI, state management and other corresponding capabilities, allowing developers to develop high-performance applications in a simpler and more natural way.

[@jukio02]

I think I remember Huawei hinted they are looking at ways around using EUV machines to make chips.

[@free_manipur_from_india]

China will not move on to EUV because they choose to pursue Quantum chip technology, which is a new ground for everyone.

[@semanadelherrero]

😂😂If you think so then you are not far from being doomed

[@Headphones.on.Seals.]

SMEE has manufactured a couple of 28nm lithography machines (192nm ArF) that are successfully tested and certified. ASML lithography machines had been replaced by those made-in-China lithography machines.

[@qilu2004]

7nm 5nm 3nm it is nothing but naming. performance is the only thing that matters. in the past 3 hours Huawei has released an update to the HarmonyOS which unlocked more potentials of Kirlin 9000s. now its perfromance is in line with 8gen 1. a breakthrough is important. what follows is just a matter of time and we know chinese speed is much much faster than normal.

[@pohmoh3590]

No one talk about Huawei chiplet technology. Where a complex SoC is split into smaller simple chips. Improve process yield, reduce costs

[@karlweaver2597]

Thank you Anastasi, this was a very detailed and great explanation!

[@tomyhuang6603]

Yesterday, Huawei unlocked Mate60，The 12-core hyper-threaded CPU has surpassed the 3 nm cores used by Qualcomm and Apple processors.

[@peter-xw1mu]

utter lies

[@directxxxx71]

​@@peter-xw1muWhy?

[@user-sj3qz9yo3f]

The hyper-threading is confirmed but the final (this may not be the last unlock, GPU side not touched yet) performance needs more testing.

[@IA100KPDT]

@@peter-xw1mu Suck it up, the west is over.

[@inovade]

@@directxxxx71 globally we need years to upgrade even 1 nm, and yet can suddenly make chips better than 3 nm?? that's chinese shills for you

[@CiaranMcHale]

You have reached an important milestone in the quality of your videos over the past two years. Please buy yourself a meal or a drink to celebrate your achievement.

[@AnastasiInTech]

How kind of you :) Thank you!

[@alexandermilleriii499]

Thank you for covering this!

[@WeAretheWorld89]

Nobody says There are plenty of Western scientists in Huawei.❤

[@khhnator]

in truth, it doesn't matter how they call their process or even how it is made. but how it performs. that is what I'm curious about

[@LuckyJojo-yb9vt]

Most only analysing the end product, but the crucial is their innovativeness and resourcefulness in tackling the problems and difficulties.

[@mrbb.business7281]

A lot of people think china's chip is not a big achievement, I think their not looking at the tragectory in this tech development and how fast it is moving up. If they can keep momentum it's very competitive to what the rest of the world is doing when working together.

[@johnsmith-cw3wo]

like Japan and South Korea... at one point SK was 10 years behind JP, but in just 2 years the gap close to 1 year... today is ahead. many people don't understand that 10 years behind does not mean it will necessarily take 10 years to close the gap.

[@bitmaster-781]

DUV is a dead end anyway. It's the same as build huge monument for the dead.

[@Ateshtesh]

@@johnsmith-cw3wo So that means they were not 10 years behind, but 2? I mean the years gap should not be how long toke that technology to be developed at the first time, but how long would take today with the current available knowledge. But yeah, is something really difficult to measure, because depends of a lot of factors, the country that is trying to produce the chip by itself, how many technology they have access to, how many professionals in the area they have, how many industrial capability they have, etc, etc, etc... So in that regards I understand your point. Is a lot more easier check what that country has at this moment and measure the years on how long take to the pioneers starting to that point to the current stage.

[@johnsmith-cw3wo]

@@Ateshtesh yes... it just meant for Japan it took 10 years, Korea did it in 2. (can very well be a situation when a country is 5 years behind then it take 20 years to catch up... does not always have to be less 😁)

[@cryptoman9781]

@@johnsmith-cw3wodid u know South Korea was way behind Japan and Taiwan until this one engineer from TSMC from Taiwan helped Samsung leapfrog Japan and catching up to TSMC. But now this engineer already helping China SMIC to achieved 7nm in short period of time.

[@aanchaallllllll]

3:36: 🔬 The video discusses the controversy surrounding SMIC's positioning as an equivalent to TSMC in terms of nanometer technology. 6:12: 💻 The speaker discusses the Clean My Mac X software and its helpful features for editing videos on a MacBook. 9:18: 💡 SMIC can fabricate nanometers without EUV machines by hiring brilliant engineers and getting creative with limited resources. 12:02: 📺 The economic efficiency of 7 nanometer technology using EUV is significantly higher compared to DUV tools, but pushing the limits to smaller process nodes will take time and result in high defect rates. Recap by Tammy AI

[@MrSupersunbeam]

Very educationally explained. Well done!

[@engineersze2546]

Excellent explanation of the state of art as well as the semiconductor mfg process. Easy to understand. Keep it up.

[@entertainmentjoke2871]

Hi Anatasi, maybe you shall talk more about the functionality on how the machine make chips? I always read about the lithography machine, but i dont know how it functions.

[@jacintochua6885]

The size of thrs chips don't really matter all that much ,there are numerous ways to make it function, as in the case of Huawei Matr 70. The phone is actually 5.5 G, while Apple 15 hasn't made much progress despite it having a 3 nM chip.

[@gubradnev6817]

5.5G lmao, they dont even have chips for regular 5G due to sanctions and magically they made a better chip than the chips they had but couldnt even produce for themselves? Pass me some of your crack, looks like banging stuff

[@44jwong]

It's a start. Once proven, they can improvised and improve. It's a learning process and ultimately once they achieve it, it will 100% Chinese made and that will be a loser to other countries that try to sanction. They are digging their own graves.

[@mucyoedwin9737]

Great video, good explanations and an unbiased opinion. I love it❤️

[@youdj_app]

Super interesting, thanks!!

[@yehenry2281]

7nm can be used in many products , it's a milestone for china

[@user-ri6mq8df1x]

你是正确的，中国芯片技术有了0到1的突破。7nm到3nm还有差距

[@yehenry2281]

是友军 不用担心 呵呵

[@paulscoffone8331]

Its a DUV chip. This is the limit of that tech. This is like building a really great propellor prop plane when your competition is in the jet age.

[@piotrczubryt1111]

@@paulscoffone8331 If a prop plane is as good, it does not matter what "age" you are in.

[@Definingmoments-et9kv]

Excellent show. Very informative and entertaining.

[@beofonemind]

Thanks for helping me stay up to date on this aspect of the stack.

[@rodrigomohr1277]

China will achieve technological parity, primarily because there is an army of engineers graduating from Chinese universities every year!

[@yhdef64]

Yeah, I read somewhere of 200K/year in engineering. But, in the West, seems to value Chinese education sub-part and not up to standards. Look who's laughing now?

[@aceyage]

@@yhdef64 Do you actually buy Chinese propaganda. You realize that China is piss poor mostly and currently in a economic and demographic downward spiral?

[@iupring]

The Huawei system update on the 18th unlocked 12 threads. Judging from the decompression of the same large file today, the Kirin 9000s is faster than the Snapdragon 8Gen2. We look forward to the Huawei conference on the 25th to unlock the GPU and revive the Kirin with full health!

[@user-or9hw5fn7e]

发布会依然没有讲手机，哈哈，但是放了一首非常好听的歌曲

[@iupring]

@@user-or9hw5fn7e 说实话发布会有点失望，不过还好Mate 60 RS上架，可以预约了，很期待RS的SOC是什么制程

[@wingowingo2928]

So far no test software on the market knows how to test the Mate60 GPU, this clearly implies it is of a very different architecture. A hands-on review claims Mate60 is smoother at the UI level, but this smoothness can be for various reasons. Some games experienced hiccups but this is most likely optimization/driver issues.

[@sunnyhill3000]

they did not say anything on the release conference. It seems that they do not want to disclose much information to prevent further sanaction from US

[@DarkPa1adin]

Your breakdown is incredible!

[@likemore7692]

very nice video! I read many articals but first time find someone exlain principle clearly on social media

[@mariomenezes1153]

Brilliant explanation! Thank you!

[@MASMIWA]

The big news today is that China has developed a new light source to produce EUV lithography and are building a factory to implement it. If so, SMIC can take the EUV step without ASML.

[@ajaykumarsingh702]

Even surpass the ASLM

[@dalor4906]

Good luck everybody, compete or be overtaken. Do your own work too.

[@user-jq3yb2ro3s]

工厂在半年前已经施工了

[@MASMIWA]

@@user-jq3yb2ro3s Amazing! If so, production?

[@hoomanj5809]

Thanks for the video. I like the unbiased way that you used to develop the idea which seems close to the fact.

[@michaelmakarevich601]

Thank you for such a detailed explanation!

[@zenki4666]

It's always good to hear from an expert

[@paolodevoti2277]

The extra constrains will push into thinking different solutions, I expect interesting surprises

[@mikelay5360]

Either way they will need ASML steppers. They cannot start from the ground up

[@Ilovecruise]

@@mikelay5360from what the recent news are it seems like China is ditching the traditional EUV in a bet for SSMB which reduces the use of “mirror” that enable them to up the “IF” point power to 1kw

[@honzo1078]

@@mikelay5360 Anything that can be developed once can be developed again. The farther back they have to go, the longer it will take, but there's no 'cannot' about it.

[@lindading4128]

@@honzo1078 so true!

[@GodKitty677]

@@honzo1078 Only ASML has EUV machines, many companies and countries tried and failed. ASML invested more than €6 billion in EUV R&D over 17 years. They spent 20 years developing EUV with our partners and suppliers, resulting in a machine that contains around 100,000 parts. By the time China gets there on its own, the technology will be outdated or completely obsolete. This is likely why no one else is designing their own EUV machine. China has too because they cant buy EUV machines from ASML.

[@lagrangewei]

TSMC first started making 7nm chip before they got their first EUV. intel also invested heavily in non-EUV tech because of their sunken cost. SMIC co leader created the TSMC DUV 7nm chip a decade ago and help Samsung reach chip parity with TSMC, so for him to lead SIMC to do 7nm chip with DUV is no surprise, it actually an easy job for him. this is why they like to say chip making is like baking. having a better oven helps, but how good the cake is, depend on the baker, not the oven. this is why US make shitty chip despite having the best oven. and while i agree it is more expensive to make chip on DUV, I don't really agree that it would be "sky high", since SMIC operation cost is likely lower than TSMC. if you need to take longer u just need more machine to offset by economic of scale. so the question is really how fast can China scale up.

[@abdulh8958]

The advantage is china will become master of trade in the world because it can make every things locally

[@Amidat]

Great comment and based on fact and reality

[@bubukaikai]

yes, TSMC needs to pay the US, that is reason why the cost can be "sky high"

[@teatree6228]

You assumed china not have domestic EUV like techno The chips are 5 nm not 7 nm

[@dukai2004]

Not a decade ago. TSMC began production of 256 Mbit SRAM memory chips using a 7 nm process called N7 in June 2016. That is the first DUV 7nm and only to memory chip which is less complicated to mobile core Soc. Then first 7 nm mobile processor intended for mass market use was produced at 2018.

[@Paprepper411]

Hi 👋 im so glad for your videos. I learned a lot 💯

[@saitantryable]

Enjoyed watching this video. Easy to understand and great graphics.

[@jkuang]

Update: it might be 5nm chips. On 9/25, Huawei released a system software displays Huawei Mate 60 Pro specs. And it shows 5nm chip set in the system status. But Huawei is quiet about it. No official confirmation. It creates a lot of buzz last week. Let's see how it plays out in coming days. If it is really 5nm, that means China is ON PAR with Western chip technology. The so called 3nm chip that Apple claims to use for iPhone 15 is only using 3nm technology for a small portion of the chip. 5nm chip is the real leading-edge production at scale.

[@avil8686]

It is no doubt a 5nm chips, tech insights said the wafer area is only 2% larger than Kirin 9000 which is 5nm made by TSMC. Considering it has more transistors in it, Kirin 9000s definitely is a 5nm chips.

[@johndrumpf9888]

LOL, this sounds like a big cope.

[@Anders01]

Yes! As you mentioned, some say it may be close to a 5nm node. That's my guess too if Huawei's new chip is made with SMIC's N+2 process because the N+1 process is close to 7nm. And I read a claim that there will also be a Kirin 9100s chip released in 2023 with 4nm. I have doubts about that but we will see, the Chinese tech industry often hides its cards it seems.

[@pohmoh3590]

Watch for Huawei event on 25 Sep. More new products and info will be released.

[@breadnewbie6326]

china in certain cases only announce anything after they are really ready, never say "we will produce X".

[@zim2023Dwl]

They have no option but to keep a low key, you know the reason

[@Anders01]

@@zim2023Dwl My guess is that China needs redundancy for their long-terms plans. This includes a large margin for the tech industry making the Chinese tech companies appear weaker than they actually are while western tech companies try to look stronger because of a focus on short-term profit.

[@zim2023Dwl]

thts exactly what I mean@@Anders01

[@manist3163]

Very informative. Thanks !

[@jt7822]

Thank you for the in depth video!

[@mayukhpurkayastha2649]

China and Americans power game. Love from Russia 🇩🇪🇩🇪😢😢😢😢

[@miketiong8441]

Well put & clearly explained ... Thank u

[@FirasTeinz]

Amazing work on this video, keep up the Great work

[@Xerox482]

i think they can easily go for 5nm from 7 nm in the 2024 , because its not just about machine its about humans brains , the achieved 7 nm thanks to the chinese dude who left TSMC and have brought its R&D engineers team along him to the SMIC . so he can turn the tables for SMIC for sure

[@happyzahn8031]

2024. This I've got to see. If they can really achieve it, my hat will be off. I will not hold my breath as I think they may achieve it in 5 to 10 years. We will see, since its only a year to wait. Do not believe all the hype. Only real results. How about the video of that guy who bought the phone and tried, actually failed, to use the satellite connection which he really wanted to use since he lives in a rural area. We will see.

[@chirots]

Even with those former TSMC employees, it is impressive to produce the chips with all sanctions

[@Warhead-Vun]

He would have stayed put at tsmc if not for the mis treatment he got from his former employer, at one point, his executive room was ripped apart and remodelled to fit 4 workdesks and shared space with 3 new engineers while he was sent to Europe , and he joined Samsung shortly after. The Huawei position came later.

[@Ateshtesh]

@@happyzahn8031 Weird because I saw a lot of videos of success use of satellite connections. what is the title of the video to look for it?

[@soeswanto1]

I came across your site by accident. Thank you for breaking down the pieces to something understandable for a layman, like me. I am always interested, but when it comes to technology it blurs out in my mind. Its like lawyers or doctors who debate and write in jargons unfit for normal consumption. ....so that they can charge more. This is the feeling I get about technology. This is the most productive 15 mins I spent on listening to technology blablabla which are comprehensible words and sentences constructed at common sense level. . Many thanks. I will be back.

[@rarinkaz]

I extremely admire your genius and really appreciate great reporting!

[@kishaniramsey5913]

Thanks for the great explanations. 👍👏👏🌹🌹

[@tinkerman1790]

Thx for explansion of how great China-made its own new chip is as well as what the technologies behind to achieve it

[@ZxZ239]

If you think they are stuck with 7nm technology, think again, there literally tens of thousands of Chinese engineers working day and night working on EUV or another totally different path to produce equivalent advanced chips. They are not just working on the lithography machine alone, they are literally working on the entire supply chain from beginning to end, packaging, testing, chip design, software etc, and it is inevtiable they will have all of this way sooner than you think. Think of the implication of this, and this would NEVER have happened if it were not for US pushing them in the first place.

[@gubradnev6817]

Except they dont have the Dutch machines needed for smaller processes. But a good try CCP shill

[@Magnus0891]

You mean they have tens of thousands of Chinese hackers spying on western Companies like ASML to steal information to reengineer what has already been invented. 😂

[@chaos_head]

其实中国想做光刻机已经很多年了，之前花了很多钱都不成功，因为美国没有封锁。这次美国封锁后我们很快取得了突破，我们非常感谢美国的封锁。

[@henrychuah9658]

Wellsaid

[@semitope]

"this would NEVER have happened if it were not for US pushing them in the first place" - you're right. it would not have been so delayed. They were working on this long before US freaked out over the military implications. all they are doing is slowing them down.

[@rabbitazteca23]

Glad to see an actual engineer talk about this

[@jeffpotter2934]

Thank for an informative video!!

[@perfectlycontent64]

Great video. Thank you for clarifying the likely difference between the SMIC 7nm node and the TSMC nodes that use EUV. Tldw: DUV based 7nm will require a lot more exposures and probably have lower yield, driving cost up.

[@knopeace]

Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Makes a lot more sense

[@user-nt6wj3lk4g]

Your voice really brings attention to the subject. Excellent presentation!

[@basook6116]

also, there is limits on Silicon plates, so China is studying carbon based nano chips

[@root3183]

It's not a question of how far you can go. You have to carve your own path. It's as if you were a car manufacturer and suddenly one day your tire supplier stopped supplying you with tires under duress from your enemy. You have no choice but to develop and produce your own tires. Knowledge cannot be blocked. The greater the market demand, the more resources will be invested in research, because this is a blank market and the most valuable venture capital project. Profit is the biggest driving force for the development of human science and technology.

[@georgeageorgopoulos]

Thank you for your expert opinion Anastasi,,,How far can this tech go?,,,it's already very advanced!

[@NikolaosSkordilis]

Not sure if you recall, but TSMC's first gen 7nm node (7FF) was fabbed via DUV alone, with no EUV layers. They reached ~97 Mtr/mm^2 in their densest library, with 75 layers in total. A while later they first tested EUV with their second gend (7FFP) 7nm node. They employed EUV on just 6 non critical layers, out of 65 layers in total. 7FFP was markedly denser, with 114 Mtr/mm^2. On their N5 node they increased the EUV layers to 14 and also lowered the total layer count to 59. And from N4 onward the EUV/DUV layers ratio is gradually changing in favor of progressively more EUV layers.

[@yurymleh]

The original TSMC N7 is DUV only too. They implemented EUV in its enhanced versions later like N7+ and N6. Products on that DUV only 7nm were priced pretty reasonably. It's the later EUV ones that they hiked the prices on contrary to your analysis.

[@thorwaldjohanson2526]

That's true, price per transistor has gone up for the first time in history. Modern eUV nodes are just so insane. It is by far the most complex and greatest technological achievement that humanity has achieved.

[@mintakan003]

I'd be interested in a video on revisiting Moore's law again. 7nm, 5nm, 3nm, ... Eventually one will be dealing with atomic limits, with asymptotic gains. What is the difference in performance, between each of these sizes? Are they by orders of magnitude? And in many cases (autos, weapon systems, ...), "trailing edge" chips maybe good enough (?) I get that one may have an "edge" with smaller node chips. But is it a huge difference?

[@VenturaIT]

then they will just go to 3D chips... already there.

[@maumdeo]

Superb video. Thank you and congratulations!

[@tibomoltini2851]

09:11 in the 90's in France, they used to say: we've got no money but we've got ideas

[@crownlands7246]

Your vids provide a wonderful insight of an industry that is otherwise very demanding and time consuming to get just a basic impression of, a lot of proficient hnowledge, conveyed in an entertaining way🙏

[@sebassanchezc-1379]

you´re the only person can really explain this. YOU´RE AWESOME

[@OvenZheng]

我用的是华为 Mate 40 pro 已经两年半了，手机性能和电池都毫无任何问题，仍然丝滑。

[@unitrustinvestment]

insofar, you are the only one explaining how 7nm nodes is achieved in a way that isn't confusing.

[@something2664]

thank you , great content

[@pingchu3358]

For someone who know little about EUV and DUv, that is an excellent explanation about the differences!! China does not have EUVs and facing multiple roadblocks by US, Japan, Korea and Netherlands(the 'gang") but sure they twist and turn for 4 yrs to make this 7nm possible with DUV based on the patterning process you have explained So Well!! Bravo!! Hat off to the engineers from China or the one they hired from TSMC (Taiwan) to break this monopoly by the "evil Empire" !! Haaaaaa!!

[@reallybigjohnson]

The evil empire that is putting Uighurs in camps, forcing abortions on women, stealing organs, locking down people and starving them to death for years after the rest of the world opened up.....which evil empire are you referring to again?

[@itinnyi]

​@@reallybigjohnsonThat's it?

[@screamified409]

Evil empire? At least we don't get driven over by tanks in the Netherlands. Fuckin dimwitt.

[@patrolmanracv]

Taiwan is China ...

[@revcrussell]

Engineers hate the marketing people that spent their time in university smoking pot and having three days a week of class.

[@mytub9]

good insights!

[@mattgillard8253]

Very interesting. Thanks.

[@robertschlesinger1342]

Excellent video. Very interesting, informative and worthwhile video.

[@maxlin5998]

Hey Anastasi! Love the new setup (might be a little late if you’ve been using this already). Just a quick correction, Rocket Lab actually doesn’t print the entire rocket, that’s Relativity. They do print the engine and several other components tho, but the body is carbon composite. Still gets your point across tho!

[@ricardoluitam]

Amazing video. Keep up the good work. Support

[@andrewmutavi590]

As long as they optimise for it,it should handily compete even with much newer 5 n 4 nm chips

[@TracksideViews]

It’s incredible how chips are made

[@lancethrustworthy]

Just wait til we bring in the DNA.

[@LongDefiant]

Snack attack!!

[@stcredzero]

Though I am a programmer, I am not involved with the defense industry. However, as far as I know, China is already in the ballpark, in terms of being able to compete with the US as a near-peer adversary, as far as microprocessors used in defense applications go. One does not need to exactly match one’s opponents, if geography and logistics enables one to compensate with greater numbers and availability. This certainly applies to a conflict between China and western forces in the South China Sea.

[@gale8225]

Tensions in South China Sea and in Taiwan, are actually about chips, U.s. tryin to stop One China idea so China cant get access in Taiwan Chip Industry. But if China make huge break in chips design and chip production in mainland - than U.S. will lost interest in conflict China about Taiwan ...

[@KlodFather]

@@gale8225 - A good way to solve the tension is to encourage Taiwan to join USA as the 51st state. That should make the WuMao crazy LOL The ccp in West Taiwan will be crazy that the little island containing the legitimate government of china in exile joined USA. They will lose their minds ha ha.

[@peanut0brain]

​@@gale8225no. It is not about chips. Chips is just one of the things to try to halt china's growth. White MAN can't stand another race catching up.

[@InXLsisDeo]

Technology can only go so far. China has only enemies around them if they are going to attack some country in the waters around. All these countries are more than happy to serve as logistics bases for the United States. A military agression would be an enormous mistake by China. They have a much better future at continueing developing themselves and pacific relations with other countries, instead of acting as the local bully in Asia.

[@peanut0brain]

@@InXLsisDeo lol. man the western media did an excellent job brainwashing you about China (and the world too). So many weak minds it's SAD. Go to the front line to fight China, dude, that's all you are worth (in mental capacity)😂🤣😂