Shanghai Is Finished: No Foreigners at Shanghai Trade Fair or Foreigner Street, Rent Plummets 60%

[@JonParr-b4e]

Foreigners are decoupling or should we say de-risking

[@tanalson]

Even CCP party members have left china.

[@courtly5982]

The decoupling of China and the USA will cause problems worldwide lol

[@PlanetCHINA.1]

Can they decoupling? Why Apple coming back to China after failed in India? Same goes to Foxconn n Tesla! They are running for their lives from India!.. Lmao!

[@heribertosarmiento1265]

@@PlanetCHINA.1they can’t fully decouple since they will lose those loyal customers but little by little it will happen. The more a government tightened its fist the faster people will take off

[@courtly5982]

@4runner456 I would say the American deep state has some doing in this, brands like H and M pulling out of xinjiang for alleged “human rights issues” despite H and M using child labor anyways means it’s an external force

[@specex]

I started in the toy and flooring industries (plastics) in Taiwan back in 1992 and started making trips into China in 1994. I never liked it. A lot of business corruption, and there was NO legal system that let me protect my designs. I couldn't stay and do business in mainland China, and have been working in Taiwan for over 30 years now. It's a lovely place, and I always marvel that 80 miles of water can make basically the same people, with similar roots, so different. My last mainland trip was in 2013 for a trade show. I doubt I will ever go back; I've said too much already. There is no business future there for outsiders with a rigid communist party under Xi. So many of my Taiwan and American business partners and friends that didn't listen to me about long term business prospects for China, and are now hurting, ask me how I knew. Easy, the communist party people are fundamentally criminals that steal anything good... and then cheapen it. It's impossible to do business without trust. Relationships mean nothing when you see your exact product being sold elsewhere... oh, and RUN from anyone that starts calling you "brother".

[@specex]

@@anonymoustargetindividual Of course. I used to get all my fake Chinese Rolex's in Taiwan.

[@specex]

@@anonymoustargetindividual Just kidding. A $15 "Rolex" is waste. Better to eat some more Ba-wan.

[@SIMPLESIMPLE22]

@@anonymoustargetindividual Copycat thieves 😅🤡

[@laughingkor8643]

Brother, you need more clean washing flushing public washrooms in India.

[@ghulamsakhi-v7y]

@@laughingkor8643 You called him brother, I’m staying away from you.

[@kennethstewart2050]

A loss of Freedom equals a loss of business simple

[@analyticalhabitrails9857]

Coming to a "country" near you.

[@royjohnson465]

Yes, for foreigners the fear of the risks of >>”wrongful detention (false arrest)”

[@leechrec]

The CCP got so arrogant as to think that they do not need to rely on foreigners. At the same time, they haven't increased the prosperity of the their people as much as they should have.

[@unassailable6138]

I taught English in China from 2010 to 2022. The years of Hu Jintao and Wen Jiabao were the best 2010-2014 after Xi took over , the country turned from a comfy, prosperous, foreigner loving atmosphere into a paranoid, xenophobic and antagonizing dystopia.

[@vetiarvind]

omg you are right I transited through Hong Kong in 2008 and later in 2019. The vibe totally changed for the worse in that time. I loved 2008, it became a scary jail in 2019.

[@andrewmedanich2844]

Theyve always been inhumane communists even back then you just didnt see it.

[@royjohnson465]

Yes, for foreigners the fear of the risks of >>”wrongful detention (false arrest)”

[@davidconner-shover51]

I knew it was getting ugly when they hauled Hu Jintao off the convention floor

[@phil562]

In 2016 the US was right behind on it's path to a paranoid, xenophobic and antagonizing dystopia.

[@jon9103]

The CCP has treated foreigners with contempt for a long time, so why would any foreigner want to stay?

[@RobertoTorres-gi8vh]

Exactly

[@BenjaminCantabrana]

Not all foreigner-- just the ones that come from US.... Europeans know how to behave outside their homelands.. sorry, but it's true.

[@gaoxiaen1]

@@BenjaminCantabrana Whatever, wumao. The USA was your biggest market.

[@crymoreyes]

@@BenjaminCantabrana youre so clueless

[@ChickensAndGardening]

@@BenjaminCantabrana I've seen Europeans in Asia doing outrageous things. Shoplifting, sexually pursuing local women, basically living dishonest and decadent lifestyles. A few Europeans were admirable, but in my years in Asia, I saw a lot of not so admirable ones. The Americans actually were among the more civilized foreigners.

[@Homer4prez]

I think it is very sad what the CCP has done to China and its people.

[@Eilen719]

Is stupid . Not just sad.

[@hernanimisip445]

Been like that even before Mao!

[@JonParr-b4e]

And they want to do the same to Taiwan just like they have ruined Hong Kong

[@maxi-me]

_"Every nation gets the government it deserves"_ -Joseph de Maistre

[@rspcoach619]

Communism is a tried and proven failure.

[@PM2024-]

Listen, foreigners have been slowly leaving since around 2017. After Xi Jinping seized power in 2012, things have been changing greatly. The government made life for foreigners incredibly difficult, from obtaining a visa & dealing with banks to the complex surveillance system and all around anti foreign sentiment 🇨🇳

[@joemam12]

Exactly, this is not necessarily a CCP phenomenon, but Xi. Then again, I believe it's always been the CCP's main goal to "hide your strength, bide your time". Xi just got anxious and wanted to take the glory before China was ready. Instead, he's just created an authoritarian hell hole

[@thebranch3874]

Exactly

[@getrekt2160]

Because that's when they brought in the nationwide Laws of foreign teachers requiring third party assessment of whether their degrees were fake or not. When I was a teacher there, I would guess that roughly 70-80% of teachers had a fake degree. Most teachers left in 2017/2018 and even more when they closed down the after school English centers in (2020?). The issue here is that the large number of foreign teachers attracted foreign investment as the CCP could use it to their advantage that a lot of foreigners lived in China and married there. More foreigners going out also attracted people to go out more. It also enabled their English level to increase which allowed for even more Chinese to conduct foreign business and trade. But by severely decreasing the amount of foreign teachers there are in China, greatly impacts China's economy on a negative scale. They should have just left them alone and all would have been well.

[@Elemblue2]

Its the first step to control. Make everyone the same, then claim them as yours. Even better if you get ALL the people of that type. Then you can claim any offence to you is an offence to you. Whole bunch of bs tactics.

[@royjohnson465]

I agree and for foreigners the fear of the risks of >>”wrongful detention (false arrest)”

[@royjohnson465]

For foreigners the fear of the risks of >>”wrongful detention (false arrest)”

[@franciscocz8384]

Yeah sure, probably happens in 1 in about 1.000.000 foreigners, and I bet that one was trafficking drugs into China.

[@anamarievivero7774]

You said it so…… they do arrest people , it said that they are spy !!! Even the common person…..

[@mikoto7693]

Yes, who would want to visit a country that might arbitrarily wrongfully detain them to use them as a bargaining chip in hostage diplomacy while treating them horribly whilst being wrongfully detained?

[@miker3298]

rubbish, Shanghai is returned to China's most cosmopolitan city with lots of foreigners, just less Americans since Covid.

[@zilari3662]

@@miker3298 rubbish

[@eugenkaranxha5053]

I said it in the beginning when people used to say it’s safe in China I used to say it’s safe till the dictator decides to take everything from you that’s how safe it’s in China

[@well-blazeredman6187]

A few years ago, I had a hankering to visit Shanghai. Now? No way. There is no rule of law there and China's thuggish foreign policy disgusts me.

[@Chibling]

Wolf Warrior diplomacy has failed. Their diplomats and spokesperson have all been sacked. They are using the panda bears again except now we see through the charade. They are not cute but evil organ harvesting, plague spreading evil. The CCP is a threat to humanity like we've never seen before and are watching hundreds of nuclear silos being built today.

[@tonysofla]

Shanghai China is 10x better than L.A, NYC or Paris. Stop believing in these anti-China lies.

[@SuperLooneyrooney]

@@chowcheebai1139 hey, chowcheebai. This is chowcheehong

[@gaoxiaen1]

@@chowcheebai1139 No one wants to go there now.

[@unpopularopinion9831]

How dare CHY NUY try to do what we have done for 150years... US federal government

[@partyguinness]

My sister and husband are getting out of china this summer (involved in the diplomatic corps) She told me last year that foreigners are getting out asap.

[@rhyswong8976]

I met a few Shangainese in my country. They used to be so proud about their country, and they will talk the loudest and talk big when it comes to discussing their own country status. Now, they decided to stay here and kept super quiet about their own country, in fact ashamed of their country and sometimes really really mad at Winnie.

[@FluffyAlpaca81]

Nah plenty of older generational Shanghainese in their 60s loved their city the way it was when they were young growing up. That was before “capitalism” and foreign investments and blah blah blah. Shanghai lost its charm decades ago. Maybe now it can reset. Foreigners with only monetary interests in mind can just F off as far as I’m concerned. That goes for any immigrant or migrant or ex pat to any foreign country. If your goal is exploit a society for money then I mean …. Yeah leave when you’re not making profit, and pls don’t come back 😅

[@guardian860]

😂

[@viktorm1883]

the oppressive attitude of the CCP toward foreigners and their culture means when there is less and less money flowing there is no incentive to stick it out or stick around

[@existentialvoid]

I turned down a lucrative job offer in HK recently because I did not want to deal with the hard authoritarian laws and lack of due process. It would be difficult to convince me to go to Shanghai. All that wolf-warrior nationalism is super dangerous.

[@thehammer9599]

You made the right choice. CCP’s tentacles are wrapped around HK for good now. Freedom can never be taken for granted.

[@asulpicoable]

Freedom is priceless. Why suffer if you can be happier and free somewhere else.

[@LKelly-ep8ce]

I used to follow a you-tuber foreigner teacher that had sold all his belongings to move to China as he was offered a teaching position in a prestigious school. Then a year later COVID hit! He would make videos of how strict the government was in their complex, and he was really scared because his wife was starting to develop panic attacks. She would then leave their apartment during restrictions to have a bit of air to relieve the stress. He lost his job and as soon as he could he left China behind with just a few belongings, so basically he lost everything. I imagine that life was the same way for all foreigners.

[@DKT720]

“Do not let a leader lead you on a bad path.” - Confucius.

[@richardvass1462]

Confucian idealism never actually existed. Poor people in China have always been exploited just like medieval Europe.

[@wingsyc]

This is not from Confucius. It's clear as daylight if you study Confucian ethics.

[@DKT720]

@@wingsyc "A leader strives for harmony but not conformity. A petty person strives for conformity but not harmony.”

[@Bunnyroo7]

In the past, I enjoyed going to China. It was so dynamic and full of life, it was always changing. I can't say I was treated badly by many people. I would have been very happy to live in Hong Kong. I noticed a subtle change after Xi became president. Under Jiang and Hu, it was a bit "messy", but, in its own way, open and fairly free -- so long as certain third rails such as politics and religion weren't touched. After Xi, the mindset changed. It became increasingly restricted, closed-off. It wasn't really "bad", but it felt as if the parameters of what was allowed shrunk bit-by-bit each year, much like Stalin's salami slice approach. Long-term foreign residents told me in 2019 that many of their old colleagues had left. They took opportunities elsewhere. A good many of those who left had invested a lot into their lives in China, but they could read the writing on the wall. Since 2020, it's grown ever harder to be there. There is a growing sense of not being welcome, of China gradually rolling back its great opening. It might not go back to 1967, but it's certainly starting to look more and more like 1983.

[@RCXDerp]

I think we're all getting salami sliced unless you're a billionaire, but China does seem to be Russia tier now.

[@gamermasterL]

those other two guys you mentioned were also responsible for what is happening to falun gong.

[@luigivincenz3843]

I know a few Americans in Shanghai who left permanently. First, the locals have a distrust of foreigners so they tend to mix with their kind. Second, it became very clear that the commie gubmint' wanted more control over them, and it showed 100% during the lockdowns. One of my buds just got out 2022 early before the the 10th lockdown. It was unbearable.

[@PM2024-]

u said it, sister. I lived in SH from 2004 to 2020. Once Xi Jinping took power in 2013, things started going downhill. Wasn’t until 2015 that it was noticeable. And by 2017 the writing was on the wall. Then when COVID hit, it all went to hell in a handbag 👜🤾‍♀️

[@einfelder8262]

Hong Kong's writing was on the wall when it was returned to China.

[@admiralbeez8143]

Starting in 2001 in my role as a global sales and procurement manager I have been to China five times for work, including to Beijing, Shenzhen, Shanghai and Hong Kong. I have always had successful and enjoyable trips to China, including my last visit to Hong Kong in 2018. But after China kidnapped Michael Spavor and Michael Kovrig - two regular business people, just like me, my wife made me promise to never again step a foot onto Chinese territory. So, I have never returned, and instead I’ve been redirecting our procurement efforts to Taiwan, Singapore, Malaysia and Thailand - our category of goods can be bought at similar quality and cost as from China, without the political and economic risks. It takes some effort to get to these places from Canada when you tell your travel agent not to connect through Hong Kong or elsewhere in China, nor to use any China owned or affiliated airlines, including Cathay. But it can be done, from Vancouver, Canada I fly Air Canada (or Eva) to Taiwan, and from there to Singapore. I still sell to China, but I meet the customers outside of China, for example recently at a trade show in the US. China’s people are lovely, and wonderful to do business with, but if the communist regime sees fit to kidnap Canadians, I can’t be arrogant and say, it wouldn’t happen to me.

[@jackl2169]

so Canada can do anything they like, but china can't.

[@ipodman1910]

All very nice but looking at it from a free world perspective- there is no difference between Canada and China. Get rid of Turdeu and his marxist ideas or you will and up same as China!

[@gregmoessner3104]

Well done! As it should be

[@menemenetekelupharsin3007]

"... China’s people are lovely, and wonderful to do business with...." umm... Why do I get the distinct impression that this represents, at most, 10% of the population as a whole? YOU ARE WISER than many who still naively and foolishly believe it is still a good idea to set up business partnership with said country. Saty as far away as possible from them lest you get burned into the ground with nothing left but you own bare bones. If you don't believe me just go read up on the demonic regime's atrocious history. It's just who they are. It won't ever alter.

[@ohdearearthlings1879]

I was importing from China. I stopped, because of the risks.

[@TheHoth1]

As a “foreigner”, I’m just not very into being detained randomly. Not something I am not normally expect when I am traveling😅

[@mikoto7693]

Exactly. I’m not into being used as a bargaining chip by an evil government in hostage diplomacy against my own government and my own people.

[@emscott2705]

I first visited Shanghai in 2007 and subsequently lived in China for 10 years from 2010 until 2020I loved the bustling energy and had some of the happiest years of my life there. As others have said though things changed for the worse under Xi. Things tightened, a sense of growing nationalism and more obstacles. The Visa process went from tick a couple of boxes to a major headache wanting details of your itinerary and places of stay in China. Post-COVID locals would dive for cover for fear of being infected by a foreigner. In Guangzhou where I lived latterly during COVID they evicted swathes of African nationals from their apartment complexes leaving them to traipse hopelessly searching for new accommodation. I eventually called it a day and left fearful that things could take a turn for the worse. Thankfully I didn’t experience the full horrors of a city lockdown like Shanghai but the joy was gone. I think now some of that growing nationalistic pride I observed must be tempered somewhat by the downturn in their economy. You really don’t know what you have til it’s gone. I think Xi may well go down in history as one of the worlds worst leaders in taking a country that was riding high and increasingly feted by all to completely reversing that damaging themselves in the process. Well done!

[@tysonliptay170]

So you people cry about them doing nothing then when they do do something about covid and have an lockdown you still cry about it. Anyway keep living in misery and crying about china.

[@elissitdesign]

Fun fact: people generally hate authoritarian measures. Play Mao, people leave.

[@bidoof8361]

exactly and it's also no fun to be made the scapegoat for all of China's problems Chinese people treated foreigners horribly during the pandemic.

[@pedrogonzales9202]

Lol, yes, generally speaking. I'd have to concur.

[@ianmclaren9721]

Is Shanghai still in China? I have an idea why no one in their right mind would go to China.

[@fs5775]

someone with very few life options. not the best and brightest foreigners, that's for sure.

[@hulamei3117]

Treat people like pooh, they leave for friendlier countries!😊😅😂🎉

[@robhappe2705]

We were harassed leaving China by security and customs so that we almost missed our plane despite being at the airport 7 hours ahead!

[@jross3680]

It is true, I live in south China, and I see the same thing. Even in the smaller cities, there are no more foreigners and nightlife in this country has become significantly quieter than it used to be. I think the main reason is that the migrant labor pool has dried up. People are staying put in their home towns and not flocking to the cities anymore.

[@TL-xw6fh]

I suspect the Chinese themselves no longer have the luxury to go out at night, given that they are mainly in huge debts and increasingly losing their jobs. It about cutting the cloth the suit.

[@The_Ballo]

Naw dude, they left the country.

[@jross3680]

@@user-ex5bp4yj3x Indeed, Changsha is definitely one of the busier cities, with alot of younger people, in addition to Chongqing. Guangdong, however, my friend is a shadow of its former self.

[@d.p.2386]

people grow older my friend! and did I mention they don't have kids to replace them?

[@d.p.2386]

@@user-ex5bp4yj3x i didn't mention any theory, I said sooner than later you will see less and less migrants in the cities ...

[@gigmcsweeney8566]

I remember Shanghai from the early 1990s, before all of the old hutongs were demolished and replaced by modern apartment blocks, and when the Soviet Friendship building and the other monolithic, colonial-era edifices along the Bund still dominated the skyline. It was around the time when the new Shanghai had just begun to emerge from the banks of fog on the other side of the Huangpu river. I visited the city for work on numerous occasions between 1991 and 1995 and ended up falling for a beautiful Chinese actress from the city. As a result it often felt as though I was on cloud nine when I was there, and as I was 6'2" (1.88m) tall, with blonde hair and blue eyes, and my Chinese girlfriend was also 6' tall and quite stunning, we usually turned heads everywhere we went - this was before many foreigners lived in or visited China, and when foreigners were still required to use FECs (Foreign Exchange Certificates) instead of ¥RMB, and in the era before all of the big hotel chains moved in, when the JC Mandarin was still the best hotel in town. During one of our daily walkabouts Yo-Yo and I met a wonderful old man named Wang, who took us to the Ming dynasty Yuan Garden Teahouse, where we drank tea together and he told us how he'd been victimised by Madam Mao during the Cultural Revolution, simply because he'd been an English teacher. I remember feeling as though I'd experienced a previous life there, and that Shanghai was a city of ghosts. I have so many great memories of the city during that period. Anyway, I ended up moving back to the UK in 1996 and didn't go back to China for almost 20 years, during which time the modernisation of China and the rapid rise of its economy took place, so it was incredibly interesting to see for myself when I returned there for a series of visits between 2016-2018, working as an art curator in Shenzhen, Xi 'An, and Hangzhou. The transformation of cities like Shanghai and Shenzhen were truly remarkable, though it was already becoming clear that the old optimism had gone, and that both the economic and political situations there were deteriorating rapidly. Unfortunately for the CCP, Xi Jinping didn't heed the words of the Sly Old Fox, who said "Hide your strength, bide your time." Instead, as China became more powerful and strong, it resorted to bullying and threatening its neighbours. I hope that eventually more pragmatic heads will prevail in Beijing, and that confrontation with the West will be avoided, and that the Chinese people will start to see a loosening of the CCP's grip on power and more democracy. And with that will hopefully come a more enlightened view of the world and its resources.

[@burkus4033]

So yo-yo was a 6 footer, and an actress. You have some imagination 😂

[@stephenmani8495]

Just out of curiosity, what is that beautiful Chinese model doing now? Your otherwise very interesting story seems slightly incomplete without some closing information on that!

[@logical5780]

Sadly, it's ...power hungry leaders will never stop never grow up... China will do the most fatal of things. It will have no choice but to go to war with the world to survive. This planet isn't big enough for the greed of China. Another whole planet would be required. 😅😅

[@YUDNSAY]

As events have proved 'democracy' is a poisoned chalice. Sounds like you have had the opportunity to experience the good, and the bad of both ideals, the WEF will remove all democratic ideals in everything but name.

[@gigmcsweeney8566]

@@burkus4033 Fortunately I have far too many great memories to need making up stories. If I could post an image of Yo-Yo on here I would do. Yes, she was six feet tall - which is not uncommon for Shanghainese, and she was an actress who'd been plucked from obscurity from among tens of thousands of other very beautiful young women.

[@christinevenner183]

I would imagine many foreingners left as soon as they could after the Shangai lockdowns. Its sad for the average person there, but they need to get rid of Whinney to improve their lives. I guess China is realising that they actually need the rest of the world more than the rest of the world needs them.

[@sarahsokal]

There are so many other friendlier countries to visit .. I am Canadian & I dont feel like going to a sort of controlling country with no set laws/ treaties or at least no understanding of freedom/respect of treaties/ laws & friendliness. It didn't bother me before but China has become a ? . I do like Canadian/Chinese people in here but I wouldn't go to China . I would go to Thailand Philippines ,Australia Egypt Greece & many more . China isn't seen as being exactly friendly anymore period.

[@NickanM]

As a history buff I really want to see the Chinese wall, the forbidden city and so on. But, I will not go there as long as my money benefit the CCP. I hope that they will be overthrown in my lifetime but time us running out for me, I am 53. I refuse to let my money benefit any kind of oppression. Period.

[@ipodman1910]

The differences between China and Turdeu’s Canada are cosmetic! Wake the ef up!

[@Emperors_Deathangel]

Don't miss South Korea. Haha, honestly, I've been learning Korean language recently. Then, I'm going to stay there for at least a year and have fun. By the way, I feel bad for you to get Trudeau as a neighbor who is also facing problems from Washington swamp and Biden. And yes, the demolisher Gavin. South is very depressing during these years.

[@u2ber888]

I'm touring China and is a perfect place, secured and safe than any in the West. Bad media won't change my mindset.

[@dajdee1631]

Chinese airport staff workers in uniform in Shanghai are very rude. when passenger ask them question, they give no voice answer they just point his or her finger for you. or just shake his head left and right.

[@pi5549]

I once purchased an air-ticket that routed via ShangHai airport. My 60 minute experience included getting barked at by an angry passport-check woman when I couldn't understand what she was saying and witnessing a family get mashed because the young boy had gone to the loo and missed the gate cutoff time by one minute. The officer was a tyrant and just used the opportunity to assert his power. And the departure lounge smelled of shit. Compare with Soeul airport that offered a meditation/sleeping space for layovers. Never again.

[@pingpongdonkeykongkong]

True on all accounts… great infrastructure with idiots operating it. Unfriendly, rude, arrogant, I can use every derogative word in the dictionary and it wouldn’t be enough. Over all the worst people I have ever encountered anywhere in over twenty years of traveling

[@fs5775]

In that brief interaction you definitely had a taste of the genuine "China experience". I have had several similar interactions like this while living there. Never again for me too.

[@dajdee1631]

Chinese airport staff workers in uniform in Shanghai are very rude. when passenger ask them question, they give no voice answer they just point his or her finger for you. or just shake his head left and right.

[@nickmalone3143]

​@@pingpongdonkeykongkongwe have an idiot in the whitehouse right now.Destruction by design

[@titob.yotokojr.9337]

I'm not Chinese but the real cultured Chinese live in Taiwan, not in Communist China.

[@cocobunitacobuni8738]

Why would I visit a country that bans basic websites and forms of communication I use every day? A friend of mine who is currently abroad studying was phoned by security services in China and asked where she is they no longer see her presence in China.

[@humanshieldz]

Sometimes its a scam. We get quite a lot of it here where they pretend to be Chinese officials and scare people into paying large sum of money

[@buggy7451]

We are seeing in real time another hermit state develope. Tech companies are already beginning to pull out and moveing to india.

[@polli3578]

China closed down for 3 years.. so companies saw their company in trouble and went to india and vietnam.

[@rhyanjill]

It's not Shanghai anymore. It's Shang-Low.😅

[@analyticalhabitrails9857]

Lolol STOP!!

[@RinaShinomiyaVal]

😊

[@olivermiller2013]

I visited Shanghai and Xi´an in 2016 including using the fast trains. I was impressed, Shanghai was a really interesting city and I liked it a lot. OK, in Xi´an the ar polution was massive, but I stayed only a short time there. Same, the people were nice and it was easy to get in contact with them. When I see the pictures in the video it is unbelievable. On the other side, all the information of the Chinese government is negative and with this it is no wonder, no foreigner wants to go to China. There are plenty of other, friendlier places in the world. I hope, it will change not far from now. But when looking to Russia, I´m not overoptimistic.

[@China_Secret_Police]

The best defense against communist authoritarian dictatorship is to strengthen democracies from corrupting influences and nepotism. It takes an active and concerted effort of the people, to ensure that our democratically elected politicians are truly representing our interests. We must also address what hostile communist countries are doing, both domestically and abroad. Democratic Nations must stand together against their lawlessness in defense of global security, human rights, and enforce International Law.

[@samsonsoturian6013]

Quit spamming that

[@smokeylake3150]

Well then we are all screwed .

[@China_Secret_Police]

@@smokeylake3150 We've had tough on China legislation drafted and submitted. It's not difficult. This can be done.

[@China_Secret_Police]

@@samsonsoturian6013 Stop harassing

[@smokeylake3150]

There are no democracies. There suppose to be Constitutional Republics like the USA but it is now ruined by totalitarian but they have been taken over by the WEF.

[@Yulia_Eromon]

iirc, the so called "anti-espionage law" made things worse that foreigners fled

[@Dragonblaster1]

I worked for two years in Pudong, Shanghai, and I can't believe how dead it seems to look now. I well remember Foreigner Street, which always used to bustle.

[@EasonQ-u4f]

These are not all of China; Shanghai is still Shanghai, Pudong is still Pudong, Lujiazui is still Lujiazui. It's just that in the context of the reverse globalization trend, China needs a breakthrough opportunity. If you have experienced the differences between media inside and outside the Great Firewall, you should understand the limitations of KZbin now.

[@youreprettygood2603]

I was there last week, wife is Shanghainese but we live in Norway, she hadn't seen her parents since 2019 so we had to go, and yep, 4 months after this video all the foreigners are still gone, Shanghai feels very eerie and empty compared to what I remember it being, we went back to our old apartment in Gubei, place used to be laowai central with almost 50k laowai or about 1/3rd of all the foreigners in Shanghai living in that one area in 2019, they're all gone now, and most of the apartments seem to be empty. China has been opened since March, stopped requiring any test or quarantine since May, the foreigners are not coming back, they may travel to China for tourism but they won't return to live and work in China, people have been traumatized by the brutal zero COVID policy. Fun fact, Shanghai used to be considered an attractive place for expatriates, now it is once again considered a hard destination and Western companies will have to pay significant "discomfort" bonuses if they want their staff to move there.

[@men7822]

Feel sad for the common chinese who have nothing against the world. The entire blame is for Joker Winnie

[@TCK-9]

Him and the party are a disease.

[@markpicken3180]

This not a Shanghai only issue, you can feel this all over now. I barely see any expats anymore. Most evenings we go out the shopping areas and streets are empty, no matter the day. Locals also are no longer going out. Shopping at home is easier.... In the area around my apartment most shops are vacant even though it is a super busy area.

[@analyticalhabitrails9857]

Hopefully I'll be dead of natutal causes before the powers that shouldn't be annouces to the world, The NEW WORLD ORDER....

[@PM2024-]

Which area?

[@normanlee4322]

@@PM2024- San Francisco

[@EsRoquer]

Expat? please, call it “emigrants” , the rest of the world do.

[@markpicken3180]

@@EsRoquer no thanks

[@covercalls88]

I made a couple of trips to China and spending time in Shanghai before the pandemic. To see sections near empty is rather scary. It shows how the CCP policies can affect business.

[@charlieandrews324]

Very deceiving start to that video showing a popular bar area that even as of yesterday is still equally as busy. And then showing an empty ''Foreigner street'' which has been in serious decline for years. Laowaie Jie isnt empty through lack of foreigners its empty through lack of relevance. Still thousands of foreigners here in Shanghai we're just not drinking on that dusty street anymore.

[@richardefriend]

Sure looks like a clear message to the CCP that “you reap what you sow”.

[@anotheryoutubechannel4809]

It is crazy that China, Russia, Brazil and USA are all dying from different self inflicted wounds. There must be an evil force afoot.

[@makedredd299]

Human greed is a powerful force.

[@dennisestradda9746]

USA has the best chance out of all three

[@RobertoTorres-gi8vh]

@@dennisestradda9746agree

[@Whatyear]

@@geocam2 It may not be dying, but it is most certainly in intensive care. What we do in the next few years may seal our fate!!! If you don't see this, then I want to borrow your "rose-colored" glasses.

[@tonysofla]

China will be around for 100's more years, USA got 10years and then split in to two with a decade long civil war and anarchy.

[@stebopign]

They made the application of china visa extremely hard. Ofcourse there will be less people willing to fly to china now to attend exhibits and do tours.

[@ronnelacido1711]

With the new anti-espionage law now in effect? No, thanks. I think I'd rather go elsewhere. The risk is not worth it.

[@mikoto7693]

@@ronnelacido1711Yeah I don’t want to visit a country where I may be taken captive by the government to be used as a hostage against my own country.

[@rebym]

I just got back from Shenzhen, China. The flight was 3 times the cost of what it used to be. There are 1/10th the number of flights between various western countries and China, so one doesn't see anywhere near the number of foreigners one used to see. The number of flights is starting to increase however. There were no visible signs of a diminishing economy. The biggest changes I noticed compared to the period just prior to Covid, was an incredible increase in the number of Meituan scooters, way more electric vehicles and far fewer rental bicycles strewn over the sidewalks. Entry and exit were easy with no need to show a Covid test result, just an online form had to be filled out to enter and exit.

[@topsuperseven7910]

We first noticed this around 2017 when we saw far less Anglos in that area. Less Americans, less Europeans but at the time more Chileans and Bangladesh or Indians. (or the same but more in comparison to Anglos) and there aren't nearly as many foreigners of any kinds. Yes, a small wave of post-covid opening has returned (or first time) because just now its proving safely open and flights are back to around 50% and not insanely expensive BUT it seems a larger wave is now leaving for the same reasons that flights are finally semi-reasonable and their home countries are now fully back to normal so they can go.

[@AWY-LO]

Well done Winnie, you finally got what you want..

[@MichaelGroenendijk]

Evil destroying itself

[@gaoxiaen1]

@@geocam2 More like a typical collapse of an economy.

[@Lumpia_In_Texas]

​@@geocam2literally communism.

[@worldclass24]

​@@geocam2you underestimated the stupidity of Communist leaders.

[@MichaelGroenendijk]

@@geocam2 ccp is the evil

[@mudPuddlePanda]

Nice .. nobody wants to spend money in 🇨🇳

[@hqiu6828]

Smart investors come in when there are a lot of vacancies in housing market. Good location is the key factor for business, such as restaurant, bar etc.

[@roshinobi]

Who’d have thought if you tell all the foreigners to leave, they’d bring their money with them.

[@mnd3607]

I feel this is just the beginning..the worst is yet to come !!

[@pedros1]

Prepare for "ecological isolation" to save the planet.

[@superdave8248]

I've never been to Shanghai but I always understood it to be a commerce center. And I can't help but wonder if the same drop in use of commercial real estate in many major cities down town corridors isn't also being felt in places like Shanghai. Why rent a place for $25k a month when you could simply travel there, stay at a luxury hotel, and then head back home when the meeting is over for a 1/3 of the price? Banking and finance isn't what it once was. The pandemic turned us into a truly global economy where business dealings aren't done in person as much as they once were.

[@HellsCaretaker]

There are countries that depend on foreign investment capital. On the other hand, you can see very clearly here that rents are falling and wages are rising because there is simply no one left who is willing to pay more or work for less money because there is a shortage of workers. Everyone can decide for themselves what conclusions to draw from it. We live in a world where everything is only seen from the point of view of entrepreneurs, but no longer from the point of view of ordinary citizens.

[@aryaman05]

ref. last line. When times were good, the bosses partied their ass off, but they also did something neat - re-investing in the businesses with world class processes, tools and equipment. Now that things are kinda shitty the world over, CN businesses are going thru' their own correction, mostly labor. CN labor was on a steady rise, and it was no longer considered 'cheap'. And now, CN suppliers are likely to return with a vengeance, i.e.: well equipped factories with labor on the cheap once again !

[@AlecsStan]

Compare capital with the most scared deer in the forest and you'd still not be close to how sensible smart money is to geopolitical risk.

[@consultant2b]

Thats a very interesting comment and something I wonder about all the time. I wonder if there are any indexes or other indicators one can watch out for to see what is capital is saying about the geopolitical risks in various places?

[@sheiladikshit5110]

@@consultant2b i keep my serious long-term capital/operations in low-key countries nobody's talking about., precisely for this reason.

[@diggledoggledo]

Hard to go to China when foreigners have a hard time finding hotels that will take them or being able to pay for anything since they only accept phone payments and you need a Chinese phone and bank account for that to happen.

[@littlelady7843]

Very true. I am a Chinese who live in US as a US citizen. I went back there about two months ago. It was so difficult to travel and do anything without a Chinese ID and bank account. I had to rely on my brother who is a Chinese citizen to get me around and pay for everything. I installed Alipay international version on my US cellphone and was able to pay most places, however the transaction fee is high, above 3% in average. Before, it was very convenient to visit China. Most international bank cards were accepted. After COVID, it feels like Chinese government went out of their way to make things difficult for foreigners and tourists.

[@jeremygreenwood1021]

Not to mention the death penalty. I don't think I'd dare go to China nowadays.

[@JorinT-u6y]

This is a repeat in history This is not the first time that foreigners have left Shanghai.

[@ohdearearthlings1879]

The Chinese and Japanese emperors had similar attitudes.

[@davidcasling6499]

Well u can thank your leader.

[@tonysu8860]

There is no "uncertainty" about unfriendly Chinese business policies towards foreigners and foreign capital. It's clear and that is why the response has been unanimous.

[@freeman10000]

I really enjoy China, its people and its culture. It is heartbreaking to see what the Communist Cult is doing to China. It is my hope that one day the Chinese can throw of the shackles of their opressors and gain ownership over their own country.

[@Ukie88]

Do the locals ever ask why? Or is that not allowed?

[@mikoto7693]

I noticed that too. I don’t think they’re allowed.

[@cwilliams4227]

It's sad to see the hard working people of China again suffering the affect of the CCP. How will this end?

[@urbanurchin5930]

They will get by when they consume gutter oil......delicious !

[@ohdearearthlings1879]

Another revolution could lead to 30 years of hell. Usually the decades after revolutions are quite chaotic and horrible.

[@nickmalone3143]

​@@ohdearearthlings1879like the usa ?

[@richardvass1462]

How will it end? Read Revelation 11:18 kjv bible.

[@dainguyen8696]

How dare you questioning emperor Pooh and his 6 yes man policies for China…. Your post should be ban and you should be put in jail… better yet your organs should be giving to a CCP elders

[@rikopersian6407]

It’s ok . No foreigners’ is peaceful; it’s better . Rent price goes down ; it’s is good for renter😂. Shanghainese market sellers are very rude. I visited Shanghai a few times due to my husband’s work. They’re rude, they are very unfriendly.

[@abreathoffreshair1]

It's not ok. Shanghai alone used to contribute almost 4% of China's GDP and a disproportionate amount of its taxation revenue. Where's that tax revenue going to come from now? Nowhere. It'll mean reduced services and reduced quality of living for everyone.

[@rikopersian6407]

Then the government can print money, right😀

[@mikoto7693]

I suppose it depends on whose perspective you’re looking at this from. The rents might be cheaper but few people will move into an area that has poor job prospects and limited services that would result from a mass exodus of wealthy foreigners. Shanghai practically ran on foreign investment, foreign tourists and foreign businesses and now they’re fleeing thanks to the CCP treating them like animals during the lockdowns and this new espionage law amongst other things such as the hostage diplomacy with the two Canadian Michaels, the foreigners are taking their wealth home with them. It’s bad for the locals who depended upon foreign money in some way, such as renters, customers and clients. Now all these people don’t have anyone to sell their wares/services to. They’re not making enough money just selling to locals-they needed the foreigners. It’s not a good situation for them, and it’s them that I feel a degree of sympathy for. But it’s also bad for the CCP because they can’t now sponge off foreign money either. All those foreigners had to pay taxes too. And all the taxes from the locals making money off the foreigners have less money for taxes. But that’s the only good thing. Maybe all this failure will force the CCP to come to its senses or risk a rebellion.

[@rikopersian6407]

@@mikoto7693 What I’m saying is , it’s beneficial to the locals because the houses is now affordable to all not just to foreigners. In the west, their problem is not enough houses and if there’s one, it’s too expensive. At least in China the housing price bubbles has burst. To me, this is good for local investors who has the money to invest. Invest at low price .. right? Shanghai’s was run on temporary false economy , and the bubbles has burst. So sorry for the local businesses whose business is strategically based on the expatriates market. I know what you’re talking about. I traveled a lot in Shanghai Pudong) Beijing and Hongkong myself. We used to go to Beijing to shop but prices has gone up and Beijing and Shanghai has becoming too expensive. So, we don’t go to China anymore and go somewhere else. Plus getting visa is a lot of trouble too. So, yeah, I totally agree with you. It’s the pandemic stringent lockdown and current government policies drove expats out of the China . I would like to add, one foremost reason why we decided not to go to China anymore because the local market vendors are very rude unfriendly towards tourist / foreigners ( especially if ask for a discount, they will scream and gesture you out or away with angry look) they’re feeling so entitled. They thought that China can stand on its own without out the foreign tourist and expats. There was one time, my friend from Beijing and I went to Shanghai, so she speaks Chinese because she from Beijing and ask for a discount for me, the vendors were very mad at her for helping me and they said go away, don’t jinx my day. And told my friend that her accent is not from Shanghai. According to my friend, Shanghai people don’t really like people from Beijing 😀😀😀. I was very surprised. Anyway, with the current economic situation in Shanghai, I wonder how are proud market vendors are doing now? Just a thought . 🤔 🧐 . Are they still cursing to the foreigners/ tourist who ask for a discount on their over price branded fake products ?

[@ryncricket2001]

I live there on Hongmei road and Laowai street. This is absolutely NOT the case. However, it was summer and our first release since COVID, so yes, EVERYONE went on vacation. We’re all back and it looks normal again.

[@EasonQ-u4f]

This is absolutely NOT the case.

[@quaivatmavuong9714]

It would be cheaper for chinese. They can't blame foreigners anymore

[@richardvass1462]

The CCP blames foreigner for everything.

[@fs5775]

Oh they will continue to blame foreigners. Mark my words. It's in the best interest of the government.

[@lifeisamiracle5015]

Shanghai does not need foreigners to survive. Don’t overestimate the importance of foreigners.

[@kevinz2000]

Agree. Too many foreigner. As a Shanghai local, we can have less foreigner.😊

[@spicykimchi1]

Oh, no! Those poor landlords can't overcharge by 15,000 RMB!!! What will they do???

[@sarabeth8050]

Thanks for the good news. So many buyers who suffered due to high prices can soon buy at a reasonable price. It is still way too high. It needs to drop much, much more to be affordable to regular people.

[@ROMVS]

They won't lower it, people's savings are stuck in those properties including the big cities with no people but just empty shell buildings.

[@samsonsoturian6013]

Foreign neighborhoods like these is why extraterroriality agreements were a thing

[@scottloar]

An outstandingly stupid comment. It is common that people by ethnicity and language congregate in those neighborhoods where their language is spoken and familiar foods served. Have you never heard of Chinatown or Little India or Little Italy? Even Monterey Park in California has been long known as Little Taipei. You think these places aspire or qualify as extraterritoriality?

[@QwertyQwerty-bd3tm]

Beijing lost half trillion dollar since 2019 due to dollar devaluation of 3 trillion reserve. It has set them back back atleast 10 years.

[@David_Lo_Pan]

*THE EIGHT NOBLE ENDEAVORS* Every freedom loving country needs people willing to form Grassroots Organizations/Movements. 1) To ensure that our politicians aren't putting the interests of the CCP above our own countries. 2) To support human rights, and preserve freedom & democracy around the world; from the CCP-PLA's undue influences and harm. 3) To elect politicians who will be on the right side of history. 4) To develop tough on China legislation. 5) To expose and weed out CCP corruption abroad. 6) To foster the fraternity of NATO Nations. 7) To stop China stealing land and resources 8) ....anything else necessary. *This is a conversation we all need to be having with each other.*

[@samsonsoturian6013]

Quit spamming

[@David_Lo_Pan]

@@samsonsoturian6013 You are only one prejudiced voice, and don't dictate the conversation.... or the narrative.

[@samsonsoturian6013]

@@David_Lo_Pan who exactly do you think I am?

[@CHINESE_PRIDE]

​@@David_Lo_Pan I appreciate your timestamps at The China Show

[@Whatyear]

@@David_Lo_Pan More importantly...................who cares???

[@shray18]

India is a democratic country, more stable, open, does not threat any nation and growth oriented. Everyone is moving to India now.

[@DindaIrna-j6h]

Hallucination detected... what did you smoke bro? 😂😂

[@anu4814]

Ppl in China must rise for their freedom from the government and Chinese government must stop cross border violence

[@Voltaje_YT]

Unless the military rises, any civilian revelion will fail.

[@rh906]

Lol, oh they can raise alright. But they will just usher in the next dictator. It's just their natural state of being. The educated people they do have are not going to be the ones with the levers of power, its the princelings that survive/started it.

[@nobillismccaw7450]

The Chinese government is now a single individual.

[@RogerSanGabriel]

Never

[@ourfarmhouseinspain]

One day, perhaps. In the meantime, I'll remind you of the old question ' Who will bell the cat ?' Those first heads over the parapet will cease to exist, won't they ? Good luck to them. Regards

[@philxue]

Can you please just have the original voice in the interviews instead of dubs? the subs are perfect already

[@89volvowithlazers]

Shanghai not unlike San Francisco, maybe it's these 2 cities positioned to live off trade and future innovation that must suffer, cities that trade domestically or create/manufacturer along with travel or something else can avoid the Shanghai San Fran experience

[@matthewmosier8439]

It's alt Left politics. Both cities are suffering the consequences of decreasing freedom and increasing corruption. California is a byword in the U.S., these days. Human waste and homelessness is what it is known for.

[@バナナお爺さん]

Make no mistake, Chinese citizens are just living their life, ive met lots of them and the more "aggressively pattiotic" ones are only a portion, a lot more have a bright mind and just want to live out their life. The government is the problem there, even if youre not happy about it, you cant do shit because you might be taken away and 're-educated'. I wish my china friends are doing well, its just sad to see before pandemics, their GDP are breaking new heights and like a bubble, it popped oh so fast

[@glennzac63]

Such a shame! I was there in 2009 and 2010 and it was such an exciting, vibrant and fun place to be. The blame falls squarely on the oppressive anti foreigner authoritarian government. I’m truly sad for the many warm and friendly Chinese citizens I met while there.

[@bartonseagrave9605]

Do not worry you are not alone this is happening all over Europe and America. The 1% Super Rich can print their own money and do not need you anymore.

[@paulafoster2607]

Where I live in Florida, the shopping malls are deserted. Many stores have pulled out. We are following behind these. People have been made afraid to go out and shop like they used to.

[@zenongruba2607]

Welcome to the real world. The great thing about democracies is that free people can pick up their daisey roots and go where they are welcome.

[@lepinearbres5299]

Ever since Covid19 2019, the world changed. White-collar workforces are mostly home office operations everything is done online. It happens all over the world. Every city in N. America with at least 1% vacant empty space and pretty much 15% of office space remain empty. Therefore, the Shanghai issue isn't a surprise.

[@kyc4833]

congratulations Shanghai, greetings from a HongKonger.

[@spaceinvader992]

Bye bye China....

[@xiaokang8692]

laoway street for years was mostly popular among locals. foreigners had some other bar streets in French concession.

[@businessswot1003]

IKEA opens store where it's less needed😂

[@RayMak]

It’s very sad

[@mr.pac.4614]

I’m not visiting China as they don’t deserve my money. I’ve been to Singapore, Japan (Osaka) (amazing) and South Korea next! Then Japan again!🤞

[@Emperors_Deathangel]

Who would dare if you're going to be treated like spies... Edited, and to be honest, if you go to look at their internet novels, you would see nine out of ten with all about foreign hate contents. And, they're very popular.

[@ronnelacido1711]

But, but the pro-China shills say China has never been better.

[@SoftRelaxingAndCalmMusicNature]

This is what happens with dictatorship. The same thing will happen in Israel with the justice reform.

[@buzzlightyear3715]

Shanghai has been around for over 700 years. Thanks to this China Observer sitting at Breitbart News basement, I am among the first to see the end of Shanghai.

[@dfynt100]

It's sad how bad leadership is in the hands of few and the majority are at their mercy.

[@Commentthat]

It's crazy but this happened everywhere.

[@thebranch3874]

It began since 2017 people are just seeing it now. They brought it to themselves, more hostile and anti foreigner than ever

[@davidtan2956]

Just hoping for changes in the systems of government as more freedom for the people, to the people, & by the people of all Chinese including overseas Chinese so that we will unite as one as United China. We need to allow unity of Taiwan, hongkong, macao including overseas plus CCP as part of the government of United China then only we will become the powerful country of peace. Also allow more foreigners to migrate in China for good. Freedom & democracy is the best for China & no longer socialist under President Xi.

[@herbertharris7316]

Shanghai isn't finished! Besides, Shanghai residents and businesses don't need foreigners in their countries, especially from Western Europe and America. Good riddance! May Shanghai be blessed now that these foreigners have left! 🙏💯🙏

[@teehines3132]

Maybe Welding and chaining doors to building's made them feel uncomfortable when it was c-19