Chinook Helicopters and Vertical Replenishment of the Battleship

[@johnknapp952]

As others have said, that's a CH-46 Sea Knight and not a CH-47 Chinook. The Chinook is a much larger aircraft. A couple of easy ways to tell the difference, The 46 has only three landing gear and a short sponson while the 47 has 4 landing gear and a sponson that runs the entire length of the fuselage.

[@Teampegleg]

Engine pods too. The CH-46 has the engines mounted entirely internally in the "tail" while the CH-47 has pods on the exterior.

[@cleverusername9369]

This man just called a Steven Seagal movie a "documentary". Hilarious.

[@FP194]

I think Ryan was being a bit sarcastic

[@BIBSTERSrepairshop]

Wait it’s not

[@spartanmac911]

News to me.

[@sierraone9181]

I love it lol

[@Marin3r101]

It is one of the only good Seagal movies.

[@mosheberkovits3586]

I loved my visit today, I even got to meet Ryan!

[@wfoj21]

CH-46 & CH-47 - both similar and different. CH-47- Chinook - Army. Ch-46 Sea Knight- Navy and Marine Corp (past only) - With Marine Corp replaced by the OV-22 Osprey. Some Ch-46 still in use by US Government outside Department of Defense (State) . Both - Boeing Vertol helos- twin overhead rotors- No smaller tail rotor primarily anti torque. Both have a rear ramp. Primary difference - sponsons/ Fuel tanks out side outside fuselage. On the smaller CH-46 - sponsons/ Fuel tanks less than half length of fuselage - above the rear wheels only. CH-46 "tricycle"- 3 sets of wheels. CH-47 - sponsons/ Fuel tanks much longer - to front door and forward wheels (4 instead of 3) also retract into the sponsons/ Fuel tanks . Also Ch-46 fair bit smaller - I have (thanks to dcimedic & thiscouldntblowmore) . I have had a few helos ride - only once in a Ch46. - never CH-47. The CH-46 - much different feel - Vibration - different rotors. I have never seen a picture of a CH-47 and a CH-46 near each other to see the size differences.

[@thiscouldntblowmore]

Yes that is CH-46 sea knight...

[@geneziemba9159]

Ryan that’s a CH-46, at Patriot Point…called Phrogs, by their acolytes. The CH-47 Chinook is a much larger aircraft. Both made by the Vertol Division of Boeing at their factory in Philly. They do look similar and it’s an easy mistake

[@lonnyyoung4285]

I appreciate Ryan's sense of humor.

[@type_s_tyler7547]

Fun fact, every Chinook is built right down the river from where the New Jersey is moored at Boeing's Philadelphia plant

[@winstonsmith2885]

Which in turn used to be part of the Baldwin Locomotive Works (the distinctive octagonal tower which was the Baldwin headquarters building is still there, easily visible from the Boeing site and I-95). The locomotive in the Franklin Institute across the river in Philly is an experimental Baldwin design. I believe the Boeing plant was where the castings were poured for the steam vessels of the locomotives back in the day. Boeing used to be Vertol, and the original factory is now a Target in Morton, PA with a distinctive feature on one corner of the building - the rusting frame of the control tower for flight testing which happened at that site.

[@dcimedic]

That helicopter is a CH 46 referred to as the frog

[@josephstevens9888]

That is a nice story that the Captain Snyder got Marines off the battlefield to relax on the New Jersey during it Vietnam patrol.

[@richardsims3208]

I was just logging in to say that there were a whole lot of ch-46's in that video including the one he was standing in front of, but I see everybody noticed already :)

[@nilomosquerapazos1207]

Ryan exiting the chinook with his sunglasses on was badass 😎

[@JohnThomas-lq5qp]

Ch47 can float on calm water. In Nam they would carry back downed Huey's back to our base. I had to replace 500 watt floodlight bulbs on our flight line. CH 47 kicked up a ton of wind & dust.

[@cmdredstrakerofshado1159]

Yeah one of the Army's nicknames for the Chinook was ShitHook ....if shit was securely tied down it went flying. 🤣😉 But it also was well loved by troops for the loads of beans and bullets or evacuation. Pilots loved them because they were tough and durable.

[@WALTERBROADDUS]

All were built just a few miles from the battleship. Over at the Boeing helicopter plant at Ridley Park, PA.

[@dillonresidence9690]

Ryan, should go visit!!

[@studinthemaking]

They still building them there?

[@WALTERBROADDUS]

@@studinthemaking The Ch-47s are still made. same Plant builds the V-22 Osprey.

[@aland7236]

Ryan, regarding those log books, if you can find someone who has access to an Optical Character Recognition (OCR) program you could massively expedite digitizing the information desired.

[@absalomdraconis]

The problem with that is that the handwriting is going to be highly variable, so some pages will cause gibberish to be produced instead of an accurate rendering.

[@BGerbs66]

BlueBeam has that capability. I use it for work

[@aland7236]

@@absalomdraconis No OCR will be 100% accurate, different OCR are built with different levels of care. However even if it is 90% accurate it can convert an entire page of handwriting in seconds and you'd only need to proof and format your output only if it had errors.

[@slartybartfarst55]

Thank you. This was an exceptional episode.

[@traviscloud3941]

Not a Chinook. The CH-47 Chinook has sponsons that extend almost the entire length of the fuselage. It's also much larger and the twin engines hang off of the side in nacelles.

[@robertf3479]

Ryan, I have to correct you about the helo behind you. That is a CH-46 Sea Knight, a product of Boeing Aircraft as is the CH-47 Chinook. The '46 was primarily a Navy / Marine Corps aircraft with all the modifications needed for sea service. The CH-47 is primarily flown by the US Army. Both were powered by twin turbine engines turning a pair of top mounted rotors. The '47 is somewhat more powerful than the '46 was. The main spotting features are the tricycle landing gear of the Sea Knight, the aft gear mounted in the aft sponsons and a nose wheel. Those sponsons only reach about 1/3 the length of the aircraft. The Chinook uses a quad landing gear set mounted in sponsons that run nearly the full length of the aircraft. The CH-46 has been retired from Navy / Marine service in favor of the V-22 Osprey. The CH-47 continues to 'soldier on' in US Army service.

[@GoldPicard]

Another easy way to tell a Phrog from a hooker are the engines, on the -47 they are outside the rear pylon and on the -46 they are integrated inside the rear pylon.

[@Gripen047]

The documentary "Under Siege." 🤣🤣🤣

[@haljames624]

Thank you.

[@jmichelbog]

The Marines had CH46’s… Army had 47’s…

[@johnslaughter5475]

UnReps are incredibly dangerous. Two ships, each weighing several 10's of thousands of tons, steam in parallel at 12 knts with distances of 60'-100'. Speed and direction are always set by the supply ship. Only during a VertRep is course not critical. The seas are boiling between them. All hands involved wear safety gear which always includes a kapok life jacket. Even then it's less than a 50/50 chance of survival if they fall between the ships. The loops that hang down from the saddles on refueling hoses are there so that they never come under tension if the ships begin drifting apart. Transfers by highline look cool. They're anything but. The highline cannot be secured to both ships. It is secured at the supply ship and is pulled taught by many people on the receiving ship. No line made can withstand the forces exerted by those ships if they move apart. The in-hauls and out-hauls are manned on both ships and used to move the load across the canyon of rushing water. When a load is secured on the supply ship, the word on the receiving ship is given to run away with it. This signals everyone on the highline to pull it as taught as possible. Those on the in-haul also take it as fast as possible to get the load across. VertReps are also very dangerous. The heloes rotors may not be all that far from parts of the ship. The loads being transported weigh several hundred pounds or a few tons. Those loads swing. They'll knock a man overboard or crush him. The rotors also generate static electricity - a lot. The heloes cannot land with the load underneath. Anyways, it's quicker to sling the load under the helo, rather than loading inside, taking off, landing, unloading, and repeating the cycle. I was involved in more UnReps than I care to think about. Most of ours would occur about 0100, an hour after flight ops ended. Those of actively involved in the UnRep were glad when our flight ops were 2400-1200. That means getting a night of sleep and manning all UnRep stations around 1300. Night UnReps enhanced the danger many times over. We were never allowed to use white lights, so everything was done under red light. If an accident happened, you couldn't even see the blood. I know that from personal experience.

[@MrDDiRusso]

The helicopter behind Ryan looks more like the CH46 Sea Knight

[@georgenahodil23]

It is.

[@Odin029]

Great video as always and the Battleship reference great too

[@jmichelbog]

Love your channel. FYI. Ex flight engineer 1981 to 1989. Army Chinoook 680. Sugerbears.

[@randyogburn2498]

Well I've been on a museum battleship, USS Alabama & a museum Chinook at Ft. Rucker. I even have my own special incident/memory involving the Chinook.

[@31dknight]

Great video.

[@TAllyn-qr3io]

One of my re-ups in the Army was onboard a Chinook. At Ft. Campbell, KY (AIR ASSAULT)… 160th SOAR…was my 7th, counting my four years in the Navy. As the Army counted prior service as a first enlistment. 😀

[@Floods-uy6tl]

Love these videos keep it up Ryan!

[@dundonrl]

I was on two deployments on the USS Essex LHD-2 in the mid 90's with about 20 CH-46's embarked aboard. We only lost one off the north coast of Hawai'i and luckily all hands on the Frog made it out safely.

[@randymarine]

That's a CH-46 NOT A CH-47...Under Siege was a CH-46 and CH-46 is a medium lift helo, a CH-47 is a Heavy lift chopper

[@barrydysert2974]

"... they protected you from random Tommy Lee Jones incursions." 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Oh Ryan, you crack me up

[@WayneHarris]

Ryan, Isn't that a CH-46? I don't think that's a CH-47.

[@robg9236]

CH-47: Evacuating American embassies for more than 45 years.

[@johnbarron4027]

The Navy/ Marine Corps used CH46 Sea Knights vs the Armies CH47 Shit hooks.

[@300guy]

Does anyone else think it is strange that he is standing next to the 46 and not a 47, a lay person would probably not know the difference, but you would think a naval historian might know one from the other.

[@richardmillhousenixon]

To be fair, he isn't a naval historian, he's a curator for a museum battleship.

[@CAPNMAC82]

SeaKnight CH46 not equal to CH-47 Chinook. Visual distinction is easy as the CH47 is about 160% the size of the SeaKnight. But, best visual reference is the SeaKnight has a tricycle, three-point landing gear & Chinook has a quadruple, four-point landing gear. SeaKnight also know as the "Frog" or "Phrog"; the '47 often known as a the "[stuff]hook."

[@winstonsmith2885]

They're close enough that unless you are fairly familiar it can be easy to mistake them - there's definitely a family resemblance. Once the differences are pointed out they become more obvious. Ryan's not the only one to make the mistake. More than one news story during the retreat from Afghanistan said we left a bunch of Chinooks to the Taliban - instead they were CH-46s.

[@billbrockman779]

Nice to see the Adams class DDG-9 USS Towers in the unrep. The best looking destroyer class ever.

[@michaelsommers2356]

One of, if not the, best-looking warships of any type.

[@TAllyn-qr3io]

Was an aircraft load planner on Ft. Campbell, KY, and you can actually fit Sea Stallions (CH-53’s) onto a C5 Galaxy as well as the C17 Globemaster. Put all kinds of military gear onboard everything from CONEX’s on flatbed semi’s, rail, ships and aircraft (with aircraft inside the aircraft)….fun times!

[@jaybee9269]

Stop telling Ryan it’s a CH-46 Phrog; he knows by by now! (Although the one in “Under Siege is actually a CH-47). Congratulations on 100K subscribers! 🎉🎊🎉🍾🎊🎈🍾🎊🎉🍾🎊🎈

[@crazyeyez1502]

Ah. Good sling loading. 🖤

[@stevenwalters3639]

It wasn’t just the same type of aircraft doing the evacuations. It was one of the same actual helicopters.

[@Squib1911]

Dude that's a CH-46 Sea Knight. We call them Phrogs. There's a BIG different between the H-46 and the H-47. The United States Marine Corps and the US Navy used H-46s. CH-46, UH-46, HH-46, and VH-46. A civilian KV-107 from Columbia Helicopters disguised as a UH-46D was used in Under Siege. CH-46s and CH-47s were made in Philadelphia across the river south of the battleship. Kawasaki Heavy Industries in Japan made licensed copies of the H-46 (Boeing Vertol Model 107) as the KV (Kawasaki Vertol) -107. Foreign militaries and US civil operators use these. The one behind you was constructed as a CH-46D and later upgraded to an Echo model. Boeing Vertol CH-46D Sea Knight 154009 (MSN 2360) converted to CH-46E. To instructional airframe At MCAS New River, North Carolina in May 2011. On display at Patriots Point Naval and Maritime Museum, Mt Pleasant, SC, on loan from National Naval Aviation Museum www.joebaugher.com/navy_serials/thirdseries19.html

[@burroaks7]

super awesome

[@bentley4446]

I will be signing up to help translate the log book.

[@knottyash9908]

I did a lot of unreps. The ch 46 was the workhorse but a few time’s if we were with amphibious assault ships the ch 53 super sea stallion was used. The ch 53 is huge.

[@chrisperrien7055]

IDK, I would have hated to see one of those on a ship. They sure as hell were not delivering booze and bar-girls, so seeing one just meant more time at sea.

[@bobwitkowski6410]

I know all about vert rep as one who was working fire rescue during a vert rep when I was in the navy.

[@winstonsmith2885]

I am sure as curator of Battleship New Jersey, a visit could be arranged to Boeing's factory not far down river from the museum in Ridley Park, PA. Local high school classes have been taken through the plant from time to time, and before covid they had a family day every other year or so. Not as relevant to the Vietnam experience as that fire bad setup, but you may see a Chinook actually fly if it's a nice day (or a V-22 Osprey, or even the new MH-139). The Quantico Marine museum has a neat Vietnam scene where you transition from the Korea exhibit into Vietnam by walking out the tail ramp of a CH-46.

[@winstonsmith2885]

Also, nice footage of an ACH-47 gunship at the 5:00 mark. Those were rare even at the time, only one or two left today.

[@thedude69692009]

I remember when they where filming under siege on the uss Alabama one could go to the oyster house restaurant on the causeway and watch them shooting. The night scenes with big lights it was very neat plus Tommy Lee Jones was a common sight around mobile al during filming the good old days

[@bartcox4150]

Under Siege was filmed on BB-60 Alabama. I worked with the post production sound crew (alas no credit) and have a picture of me wearing Tommy Lee's leather jacket from the production.

[@nosaltadded2530]

That is a CH-46 Sea Knight. It's slightly smaller than a CH-47 Chinook. Both are tandem rotor helicopters.

[@RetiredSailor60]

The DDG in the beginning of the video was USS Towers DDG 9. I went to sea on her for training in 1986 while deployed on USS Cape Cod AD 43 to the Western Pacific.

[@studinthemaking]

I love how he call a chinook chopper a Micro exhibit. Only a guy who has a BB could say that with a straight face.

[@winstonsmith2885]

A guy with a BB has a point. More metal in one five inch gun than in a whole Chinook, probably.

[@garywayne6083]

He actually calls it a "macro" exhibit. he does that for full size displays instead of scale models

[@thurin84]

"macroartifact" well, thats an understatement if ever i heard one.

[@adiranplantenga1753]

I love those helicopters and I REALLY LOVE THE IOWA'S

[@jhsultery6386]

Please try to come out to the Trail of Honor; Harley Shop in Jackson, MS.; May 21-23, 2022; it is a amazing experience for all branches of service and every war the US has ever been in.

[@jbellos1]

No Marines assigned to Big J, '68-'69? Wow! That's one I would never have guessed.

[@Jason-iz6ob]

Even though that’s clearly a Sea Knight the aircraft in the thumbnail actually is a Chinook. Which is strange since they were only ever flown by the Army. I’d guess that’s just a rare shot of a one time deal.

[@divarachelenvy]

I think they were popular here in Australia too..

[@mattheworesky8496]

Not trying to be picky but 5hat is a CH-46 Sea Knight.

[@bubba541]

That there is a CH-46 Sea Knight.

[@JohnThomas-lq5qp]

Believe the CH47 are still built and old ones overhauled just a few mile south of where the New Jersey is berthed. Boing plant just South of Philadelphia airport

[@dacvader2]

Under seige uses a ch46. There is no engines on the side, and also when he uses the can of whatever(assuming fuel or paint thinner) he sets it on an almost wing kind of thing, which is found on the ch46 sea knight, not the ch47. Also, the ch47s have a length of just under 100 foot rotor tip to rotor tip, so they wouldn't have much space to touch down on one of the iowas, let alone the alabama which was used as the missouri in underseige. (Minus the few live shots of missouri they actually used as well). Remember,the missouri was still commissioned when the movie was filmed. It's crazy to think I never noticed that it wasn't the missouri in alot of the scenes until it was pointed out, and once I realized that there's no Unseeing it.

[@kevinddsstt1585]

Did the Iowa's have an internal magazine or any other stowage for ASW torpedoes for any ASW support helicopters that might be operating in vicinity of the battleship?

[@XFORCE005]

Ryan need to make a corrections to this video and apologize to the CH-46 and CH-47.

[@nicholasmarshall9128]

I'm curious how many men fell into the ocean when being transfered from ship to ship by chair or stretcher using the older method. I'm assuming almost all of them were recovered?

[@pizzaivlife]

I imagine it is a bouncing line, so when it goes low and you are in the middle, it bounces into the water, but then almost immediately comes back out. should be fine if you are holding on well enough, but that isn't to say people didn't fall off

[@bigsarge2085]

Took a couple rides on Chinooks as an 11B in Iraq, OIF 07-09.

[@briancarpenter8176]

Ummm isn’t the Saigon chopper and the one at the experience a sea knight?

[@tjrasmussen5099]

I have got a question what battleship ship would win against each other iowa class battleship vs a South Dakota class battleship? Now another question what would have won North Carolina class or South Dakota class battleship ship against each other?

[@NSXTypeRGTRLM]

I don’t see the video on the M42 Duster. Can you point me in the right direction? Thanks! Really enjoy your videos and frequent content!

[@LuvLight44]

When I was stationing in Korea I rode on a chinook and I really underestimated how fast it went 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@winstonsmith2885]

Fastest helicopter in the inventory at one point, faster than the Cobras that escorted it. I believe it took the V-22 to beat it in speed, and that's only a part time helicopter.

[@rufusmedrano2962]

I believe it’s a ch- 46

[@douglasbuhr5741]

I believe your standing in front of a CH-46 Sea Knight

[@mfriesz]

*Sea Knight, c'mon Ryan! HMM-164 to be exact.

[@timengineman2nd714]

Sorry, but that's a Being CH-46 which is smaller than a Boeing CH-47 Chinook! (One engine .vs. two engines on the CH-47). Also, CH-46 Sea Knight is US Navy & USMC while the CH-47 was US Army.

[@johnknapp952]

Most 46's were given a second engine a long time ago as did most Navy helo's.

[@phillyrube4276]

CH46 has two engines

[@timengineman2nd714]

@@phillyrube4276 That happened After My Time In Service! The helo he was showing was still a single engine Sea Knight (with the single exhaust)

[@NomadShadow1]

Cool

[@stradivarioushardhiantz5179]

Your behind CH-46

[@ranekeisenkralle8265]

So do i understand that correctly? You want to translate that log to various languages?

[@justinwilliams7148]

I've often heard that the Chinook is surpisingly fast.

[@christianjunghanel6724]

In germany we have to replace our current old Sikorsky 53 heavy lift Chopper with new one ! Its a difficult decision between Sikorsky latest version the Ch 53K and Boeings latest version of the Ch 47 Chinook ( don t know which version the Bundeswehr considers)! The former is clearly the better one but also way more expensiv ( more than a F 35), while the later one at least in my mind is not that much worse that you could justify that huge price tag ! Like to hear your opinion! Or anyone elses for that matter !

[@winstonsmith2885]

A new block point of Chinook is supposed to start production very soon, which is needed all over with how worn out they've become since 2001. It takes a really sharp eye to see where the lines of both the CH-47 and CH-53 have changed over sixty years. A lot has changed beneath the skin, but amazing how right Boeing-Vertol and Sikorsky engineers got the designs all those years ago. Along with the Lockheed C-130 and Boeing's B-52 & C-135, these are great success stories in the American taxpayers getting their money's worth from an investment.

[@ashman187]

BB = Bringing the Boxes

[@craigmacniven1686]

Your mixing these aircraft up between ch46 and the ch47. Ch47's are typically and Army aircraft, CH46 is typically a Navy/Marine Helicopter the difference is that the ch46 has one front landing gear to make it easier to move about on a flight deck. The CH47 has two front landing gear. Your Photo's in the video show both but represent both as CH47's.

[@clambino7980]

Uh oh.

[@pauld6967]

Ryan, as soon as I saw you standing by the Chinook with that gate in the background I knew where you were. I felt that they did a good job with their "Vietnam Experience" area. I found one inaccuracy that is understandable and I dare say that it would be unnoticed by 90+ % of visitors.

[@marshallwhite7324]

I keep thinking I hear a knock

[@timbowmar4041]

He is standing behind a ch-46.

[@hugiantotamajaya6125]

So far, I visited 2 of the 4 Iowa class ships as museums. I even see the battleship new jersey but never went on-board. Also, are you closed forever?

[@WALTERBROADDUS]

Not closed.

[@tomaszyeager6654]

Already said many times, but the Navy uses CH-46s, not CH-47s.

[@FlyingWithSpurts]

Calling the CH-47 "medium sized" because it is smaller than the Stallion class isn't fair. That's like calling the Iowa-class a "medium sized" warship because they are smaller than a Nimitz. Only the Mi-26 is bigger than the Stallions.

[@georgesmith8113]

👍👍👊

[@stevebrooks4th]

Bang bang bang bang bang.

[@pjteves1]

Not a Chinook. It’s a CH-46 Sea Knight Marine helicopter

[@jmichelbog]

That’s The a marine version.

[@jmichelbog]

Sorry buddy. Love your show but that’s not a 47

[@MegaC2d]

That is a CH-46 not a CH-47

[@jmichelbog]

Ch47’s.. engines outside..

[@KnaufL]

Make a video about how battleship new jersey would be used today(if it was still in commission) in baltics against russian forces

[@kman-mi7su]

The Baltics or Taiwan because they're next. China is watching and taking note. I'd bet my last dollar on it.

[@KnaufL]

@@kman-mi7su over here in europe we expect at leas a new global crisis, if not even a ww3

[@WALTERBROADDUS]

Not going to be...

[@kman-mi7su]

@@KnaufL God help us all then. Ryan won't be able to do a "what if" video then. If that were to happen and with the US Navy ship shortage, the New Jersey might get taken from them and put back to work.

[@wesbredenhof9466]

Sorry Ryan, you lost me when you called that a Chinook.

[@garrettschweitzer7138]

Odd question, are the logs in print or cursive? The education system hasn’t done my generation too well. They stopped teaching cursive after elementary school so I can be a bit hit or miss reading it. I can get by but it’s not perfect.

[@lonnyyoung4285]

In my studies in History (BA and MA), I have often found that some of the handwriting was horrendous. I know how to read and write in cursive, but even I can have a hard time figuring it out, especially if the original author was rushing, misspelling, abbreviating, or using jargon or slang. It can make transcribing pretty rough at times, but it is really rewarding when you figure it out.

[@JoshuaTootell]

Logs are always written in print. Cursive is just silly anyway. I learned it, never used it for anything, ever

[@garrettschweitzer7138]

@@JoshuaTootell yeah tell that to my relatives! My older relatives pretty much only use cursive on cards and such. Plus your handwriting can get a little shaken when you get older. I love history, including family history which is where it’s more of a problem. Old family letters and descriptions on the back of photos in particular. Luckily my grandparents are all still around so I can soak up as much as I can while the opportunity exists. I would like to do video interviews with them and get their stories recorded and get their views on the major events of their lifetime. It would be great for future generations of my family who never get the chance to meet them.

[@JoshuaTootell]

Interesting. I haven't had that problem. But I also don't haven't looked at any family history stuff. Only thing I have run across was stuff from my grandfather, which was all in print @@garrettschweitzer7138