KvK Diplomacy Gone Wrong [Chats Revealed] 1960, 1093, 2605 +12 kd in Rise of Kingdoms

[@Chisgule]

SEVERAL THINGS: 1) diplo always has many opinions. No disrespect was intended at any point 2) I don't normally share diplo pictures, but since they were already leaked by 1960 we can show what happened 3) these pictures are just a tiny fraction of the conversation, it was long and convoluted and often confusing. I did the best I could to be complete in the presentation of information while also summarizing the swirl as best I could. subscribe with notifications on, since this is just heating up.

[@devoncollins6295]

I need more of this. The biggest issue for smaller kingdoms and most players is how to do Diplomacy as a whole.

[@LEONLEGENDLEON]

I think Leopard is still salty after the loss of the Osiris League ... what a sad king . "sob sob "

[@jonathansanchez08]

You could change places with 60 when zones open by building forts

[@djamelkaka2564]

​@@LEONLEGENDLEONare you better than leopard😅

[@denis-mf3cx]

Bottom left has 2x 2460 kds?

[@milad3675]

So 1960 doesn't realize losing is part of the game. They just want to keep their win record. All they had to do was accept one of the 2v4 scenarios

[@donquixotek5871]

latest news, 960 vs all

[@Rvaldez92]

@@donquixotek5871 stop spreading fake news, it is not 1960 vs all.

[@morax5407]

Agree 😂

[@TJMiton]

@@Rvaldez92 it absolutely is. that's how a FFA works.

[@Sosa40706]

obviously they want to keep their win record, you must not know how these kingdoms operate

[@mattemrd1981]

It’s so funny that 1960 think that in 2v4 scenario, if they are in the 4-team it’s unbalanced for them, and then if they are in the 2-team, again, it’s unbalanced for them

[@KaanKzlrmak]

cracked me up ❤

[@anc1ent910]

It is unbalanced the B kds can't fight for more than a few days

[@leozim8840]

@@Bnj-bnj makes no sense, you can pick 2 or 4 it’s up on you

[@TJMiton]

classic 960 things...

[@seancai1049]

@@KaanKzlrmak if you think about it more you will realise that it makes sense from 960 point of view who ever gets 2605 will be at an advantage so what 960 is saying that 1093+2605 is unbalance for 960 and 960+2605 will be unbalance for 1093. so you're think from the perspective of 960 just want to be at an advantage while 960 is thinking that we don't want do be at an advance or disadvantage, from my understanding earth camp has no desire to fight so it's really 2v3 with whoever gets 2605 at huge advantage.

[@BlackDaytona88]

I quit ROK years ago but Im really enjoying this kind of videos still. Thanks for the fun content G 🤝🏻

[@bradgilbert6718]

Yep, people who think their KVK record means anything in real life just show that they are really just losers. Its a game! Have fun. The team that had the most fun is the winner. Players that don't get that RoK is an infinite game, one that allows you to just focus on your city/army development forever; its not a finite game that ends at kvk and restarts fresh. And its these players that are going to kill RoK.. and the developers don't seem to care because they created scenarios like this. Just move the one kingdom down to the lower left!

[@gasad01374]

All sides say FFA is the worst option but it still ends up being what is pretty much a FFA in the end…. 1960 threw this diplo because they are scared that they will lose. 2605 and 1093 wanted a good, fun KvK while 1960 wanted a “balanced” KvK where they get to stomp smaller kingdoms for 90% of the KvK and then fight 1093 for the rest of it.

[@TJMiton]

960 dont want a 'balanced' anything

[@Zoomster6]

exactly my take on the situation

[@alan-wh7ss]

Image 2605 lost to single 4 kd camp

[@darquesse1402]

1960 = bunch of rich man childs

[@pwon]

this is gonna be 1960's first loss - callin' it right now.

[@filmyhoza7176]

Never happened in reality

[@xCeLProDucTionZz]

I hope so there so cocky up there own arses

[@justinmercer4691]

@@filmyhoza7176 yet

[@timothywong4431]

Call it without a cost....

[@ahmedhossain1096]

calling it is always FREE..lol

[@BrianKuhTV]

My favorite part of the diplo is when side officers start spouting off long statements that throw shade at various parties. That's the part of diplo chats I excel at, and why I'm not invited to them anymore.

[@theoneandonlyGR]

1960 knows this isn’t 1093 full power so they acting dumb. If 1093 was at full power with every account 1960 would’ve allied 2605 as they always ally the second strongest camp.

[@frozenrozen1315]

2 v 4 with 1093+2605 vs 960+3camps (Safe passage to top mid camp included) is actually the best scenario. 12 kingoms will definetley give the numbers to 960 they need, and 2605 with 1 aliance will be more balanced support to 3 aliances (+1) from 93. Other 2 v 4 with 2605+1960 also fine, just slightly worse from a numbers perspective. There is still time to flip the tables and make a great kvk. Good luck to yall!

[@jonasceunen5211]

then i would do 960and 2605 then you dont need to give save passage and number off people perspective each can do max 800 or so accounts so 93 isnt bringing all farms and so on they are more negative impact then 960 because they normaly dont bring the farms 93 does in a kvk atleast thats my opinion

[@quadriplegic2789]

But 1960 says they can 1v2 2605 + 1093? But yet they can't do a 3v3 top vs bottom? It is so illogical.

[@DDKKAY]

There is new Update on KVKs, that kingdom with more than 899 players is devided. So 1093 cannot use all their power, their farms are in different KVK map.

[@Godwise69]

Too much emotion involved from all the time and money invested. Diplo shouldn’t be so complicated, it’s not marriage, it’s just a fling

[@morgothastartes]

This is not first time I saw 1960 a.k.a Leo just flip the table and make decisions on their own about diplo lol

[@KenZ-jl5ye]

The situation is pretty clearly 1960’s fault, but if 2605 was more assertive and proactive in the discussions, this could have been averted. This was basically just 93 and 960 going back and forth. Obviously there will be no agreement from that, but 2605 and other kds chiming in would have changed things. Or maybe every option could be listed and everyone votes

[@Chisgule]

It’s funny how 2605 somehow gets blamed no matter what we do. There is literally nothing more we could have done to change the result.

[@stevenkbk]

Yes u guy sure skip this kvk 😂

[@KenZ-jl5ye]

@@Chisgule nobody’s blaming 2605😂 I’m just saying it could have been a 3 kd convo, or even better, a 15 kd convo instead of 960 and 93 going back and forth.

[@jackrisonjoseph]

Anything that is not favour to 960 winning the kvk, they will claim it is unbalanced kvk.

[@baisurino]

I feel that the suggestions from 1093 make more sense Also, Lilith, if you could just switch the position of the 1093 and 2605 camp, problem solved.

[@sangdang9666]

lilith doesnt care about their players. they view us as their dumb cash cow, and for that reason, im out

[@nelbsycanti1043]

This diplo don’t surprise me, I was in the kvk with 2489 and 1960 and this is how both 1960 and 2489 acted then

[@tarek5135]

1960 are taking “diplo a W” to a whole new level 😂

[@GrowmietheGreen]

They took an L from the non-imps on this one 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I hope they get crushed here.

[@patonetwothree]

awesome i see how this happens alot and most times the diplomacy goes south and always makes the excitement after the leaders return from diplo general population is always in support of those in leadership positions. good video thanks chis

[@andikaanwar]

literally the first 30 minutes++ video about RoK I ever watch without skipping any second 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@muzafferunal224]

960 is crying again as always🤣🤣

[@dxion6671]

why does 1960 sounds so scared with this kvk. they've done alot of hell kvks im sure they can handle 4v2 situation. whats wrong with wei

[@alan-wh7ss]

In my opinion, 960 believed 2605 is much overrated (lost to 1vs3), so they don’t wanna carry them ,haha

[@SebastianLopez-fy4kl]

From watching the video you can realize that Leopard hatred towards 2605 was greater than having a good kvk. Hope 2605 targets them the same way 556 did to 254. I can already see him crying on FB 😂

[@TwelveinchChewbacca]

A paper tiger writing a check they can't cash and then trying to feverishly grab the check back is hilarious. Having deep pockets only gets you so far when strategy, memory and self-awareness are needed.

[@aliginthahouse1]

You listed 2460 twice Chisgule, it should be 2607

[@Robevi]

In all honesty 1960 is full of BS in this duplo chat, every single proposal which seems more than fair they rejected, seems like they want a guarantee victory to keep their win record. Their king sends out messages saying it would be in a way and his officers said otherwise. I hope they lose

[@stormboy231]

To start off I definitely will say 2605+1960 made the most sense. So I’ll give credit where credit is due, BUT if for just one second you think 1960 won’t take you head on in z5 and absolutely destroy you then go on to beat 1093 you are STRONGLY mistaken. 1960 is simply bottomless. They would go at you guys just for the fun of it and to gain more stats before going all out in KL at 1093. That is just the nature of how 1960 plays kvk. We have seen this way back when they fought 1365 in strife and were heavily out numbered in that z6. We saw it again in their last kvk where they went 3v5 and even though their allies folded on them they cleaned out their side then went on to control all of KL and win the kvk. It seems like it isn’t a question of, “will 1960 be able to win?” But rather “how long will it take them to control everything and win?”

[@SebastianLopez-fy4kl]

You are drunk if you think 960 goes vs 2605 and then 93 and ends up winning.

[@stormboy231]

@@SebastianLopez-fy4klyou must clearly not know who 1960 is

[@Setsu1606]

@@SebastianLopez-fy4klI don’t think 1960 is guaranteed to win against 1093 but 2605 won’t be the reason of their loss.

[@SebastianLopez-fy4kl]

@@Setsu1606 if they fight them in first zone they are doomed. Of course 2605 wont beat them. But 80 plus maxed players will take a couple of billions of power from them.

[@savagesnadgaming7252]

I love the groups of 4 and their input. Reminds me of my days being king of 1602 through multiple KVKs with difficult diplo situations.

[@devoncollins6295]

Let me get in that Diplomacy chat I need to get live updates and see how they tick. Gotta love diplo.❤

[@blaiss8196]

1960 acting like divas, huge amount of respect loss... Leopard is smelling defeat, that is why is acting like this.

[@blastforcesfrax1139]

If 1960 didn't want to do diplo at all then a FFA is the best outcome for them to win. They don't have to be worried about allies and the enemy imperiums will fight each other so the can focus all their players wherever they want. Free win for them. FFA never a good choice lol

[@quadriplegic2789]

So 1960 thinks 1v2 is fair but doesnt think the 3v3 top vs bottom is fair? Are they actually braindead? 😂

[@William2669]

Just looking at the KVK map with 3 camps having 4 KD's is making me happy I don't have to do diplo in my KD. I can't even imagine trying to negotiate around that.

[@jadestar29]

93 ‘ s teamworking/ family soul > 60’s money .

[@LefteTheSpartan]

I don't know how or why, but this type of content / drama is funny to watch Chis! As long as it is not happening in my KD 🤣

[@infamoust338]

This is why a 1v1 kvk format needs to happen 🤙🏽 imo

[@terminator6505]

1960 when they realize they have to negotiate Allie’s unlike last kvk

[@lelouch8470]

If 1960 fight 2605, they will lose to 1093. If 1960 fight 1093, they will lose to 1093 and even if they win they will lose to a 2605 in KL. If 1093 wins it will be an injured 1093 vs 2605. RIP to the 1960 win streak. GG. I just don’t see them winning.

[@strat3g1cal41]

Also thank you for the interpretation man great video! Keep em coming!

[@flywithout]

1960 apparently does not respect any other kingdoms, whoever matches up with them should just farm at zone 4 and let them have a "peasant" KVK.

[@RNGsus.01]

now y'all seeing how to deal with crybaby leo and 960 diplo

[@selkodenis]

Greetings from 2754, as I'm T5 player of that kingdom i was really shocked and also sametime very happy that we got that kind of great opponents. This will really shows us, what we are really made of. Wish you all good kvk, see you and love y'all.

[@kevinbrown5093]

The domain system already showing its issues…. I think we are going to see more of these issues in the future.. B/C seed kingdoms in one camp matched up against Imperiums

[@neith3966]

1960 diplomacy sounded like children 😂

[@RqmboBlaze]

Great content! Thank you for the detailed breakdown

[@rayrodriguez95]

Cant wait to see what backdoor deals were made

[@MultiSkizzy]

God i hope the 3 camps of 4 kd eventually win and take the zig for the star

[@Chisgule]

Tbh me too

[@ITPROFESSIONAL]

First time ever i watch utube video for 50 min , lol . I hope 1093 win or 2605

[@HannahLuvsPotatoes]

I didn't know there was so much politics in rok it looks really cool

[@justinmercer4691]

About time we got some light on diplomacy

[@ItzIzzyMizzy]

5v1 against 960 to humble them

[@rayvenalo1967]

1960 doesn't care about losing all they want is to go all out fighting the strongest

[@Mr.sebas08]

@@rayvenalo1967 nah, they only care abt winning and keeping their win streak going. that's why they always try to get a kvk slightly In their favor

[@eldietab]

@@rayvenalo1967 None of the other kingdoms are throwing tantrums, only 1960 and their lame king. They're trying to ensure they don't get their first loss.

[@rayvenalo1967]

@@eldietab they won a 1 vs 3 what slightly in their favor are you talking about 😂

[@eldietab]

@@rayvenalo1967 Nah, 1960 has never been truly challenged. Their record doesn't mean much. 👎

[@monster271209]

1 v 1 v 1 v 3 is actually more fair. as 1093 and 1960 wants to do a 1 v 1, they can literally shut down the other combined kingdom camps and then proceed to 1 v 1 v 1 in the middle. 1960 can vs the 2146 camps, 1093 vs 2460 camp and 2605 vs 1123 camp after which they can fight 3 way fight in the middle after blocking the other kingdoms in their quarters.

[@whatarewetoday4585]

That is not fair to 1093 because we will always be a thorn in their side, we will be the Spain to their France, we will hit them when they are weakest, we will hit them when they are busy, we will cause such a ruckus they will never sleep. Mighty 60 is small but we are pesky

[@monster271209]

@@whatarewetoday4585 who is the we you mean that will be thorn in their side ? when they dominate the zone they can block their pass with the mighty wall of forts and forts taking awhole lot of time to be taken down. pretty sure those 3 imp kingdoms know how to maintain those forts down while fighting the other imp kingdoms..

[@orion3569]

Am I the only one that feels really bad for 3034 and 3012?

[@dreno-]

such young kds going against these monster imperiums 😭

[@Osiris-HT]

That's should be 3035

[@orion3569]

@@Osiris-HT my apologies I was just going off the picture, but my point is like dreno said, these kingdoms are so young, sure they probably have some good account from migration but 90% of the players haven't had a chance to access most of the commanders or equipment yet, it's terrible matchmaking.

[@Osiris-HT]

@@orion3569 sure bro

[@xCeLProDucTionZz]

Has anyone got a map with the powers and kill points of the kingdoms because 4 kingdom camps seems insane amount of players

[@dxion6671]

just look yesterday chis lovestream

[@user-dq8oi5ed2x]

1960 just want to get free kill in small kd

[@sangdang9666]

i believe the 2vs4 is the best choice for now.

[@Goodz_]

960 are going to wipe the floor with 2605 in zone 5 😭

[@GrowmietheGreen]

Everyone thought the same thing with the grand prix. And they weren't even in a kvk this time. The way they threw this diplo, I've changed my opinion greatly of them. I hope they get smoked for the L 😂😂😂 I'd love to see the 4 kd camps win, but anyone but 1960 will suffice.

[@Setsu1606]

@@GrowmietheGreenYou are delusional if you think 2605 has the slightest chance against 1960 (even a gassed 1960)

[@GrowmietheGreen]

@Setsu3004 I said hope bro... They're clearly trying to diplo wins more than actually earn them. We'll see. If 2605 can't do it, hopefully 1093 or the 4 kd camps can mop up the rest. 🤷‍♂️

[@badbearbad7694]

This is all Lilith fault mismatched kvk is an issues for a long time, having lower seed matching up with Imperium or top A in kvk just ruins fun for everyone

[@KaanKzlrmak]

Best video of yours.

[@BubblesFe.2906]

A 2vs2vs2 sounds good considering that the first war is 93 vs 960 in pass 7 and the winner fights against 2605 + earth camp in kings lands

[@KimYohanSsi]

41:42 agree with this. This is the most logical way. This is balance for me.

[@kjracz15]

In our current KvK that's almost finished, the "strongest" camp has kingdoms with reputation of being a backstabber, so we decided to 3v1 all the way. Said camp didn't even hesitate to forge/edit screenshots just to get the 3 allied camp leaderships to betray but didn't work. Crazy mofos. 🤣

[@nathangalvin7882]

Imagine if the 12 kingdom win instead of the big imperiums 😂

[@jonathanhollingsworth9258]

Having played 60’s alt accounts and pilots in a recent kvk, I don’t envy anyone playing them. The way they spend, pilot 24/7, and employ bots ruin A-C seed kvk’s.

[@infamoust338]

I kinda hope the 3 side takes everyone else out now🤣

[@JakeTheDogGames]

A Whole 50 Min Explanation! Now that's dedication! Great Content Always Chis! 🔥

[@TylerBui.]

24:31 : this wei dude need check his brain

[@GrowmietheGreen]

I dont know about you guys, but I'm rooting for the 4 kd camps in this one 🤘🤘 at least this time. Their diplo are beasts 😂😂😂

[@kanizenpachi1695]

I used to be in 2146 about a year ago- is it still a dead kingdom? K146 were left with a bunch of inactive accounts that didn’t grow for like a year when I would check back from time to time 😂

[@samal-nakhel8822]

All kingdoms reach kingsland and brawl it in there free for all. That would be epic

[@shaddy8652]

Chisgule have you guys look into kvk history and killpoints of the 12 kingdoms ??

[@alan-wh7ss]

My advice,1093vs1960+1vs2605+2,which group got more circle(or all structures) before kings land open win zig

[@zelot4100]

Oh man I could write a whole series of episodes on this as a war anime

[@RunVPR]

Why didn't you include 2607? You put 2460 in twice instead..

[@Chisgule]

I didn’t make that map. My apologies for the error though I didn’t catch it

[@RunVPR]

It's okay, I forgive you lol @@Chisgule

[@Pacomanx1]

And 960 they havent provided options and they have been responding to the options provided by others, thats what 960 has been doing up to this point KEKW Hail Mamer (I'm Elamo)

[@Dessan139]

They had an option 3v3(1960+2605+earth camp) 🤣

[@jomama6870]

​@@Dessan139which they think its balance situation... Or another option is 93 vs top 960 vs bottom... Winners go to KL to fight again..😂

[@Rvaldez92]

You have 2460 twice for daybreak, it should be 2607.

[@whatarewetoday4585]

We are so good we needed to be listed twice

[@Rvaldez92]

I hope so, because you are my allies lol@@whatarewetoday4585

[@aniruddhamodak1636]

Dum dums from 1960 were drunk while talking 😂 1960 + 2605 vs All is unfair and 1093 + 2605 vs All is also unfair 😂 Just let 1960 play what they want and refuse to fight them the entire KvK.

[@mrkek3603]

1093 and you vs all is fair go

[@ahoffman031]

I think this just gave me an aneurysm, 😂😂

[@bradgilbert6718]

Logical is the developers putting 2605 in the lower left corner. Blame the designers for creating discontent... but since Lilith is likely doing the bidding of the CCP they're likely being told to cause conflict among international gamers.

[@SWTitan]

Funny that 365 took so much criticism in their Diplo with Leopard a few kvks ago, yet here he is doing it again, completely illogical and unreasonable.

[@Dessan139]

that was always 1960 thing, lie and manipulate then use their facebook fanboy army to spread misinformation trying to make other side look bad. This happens in every 1960 kvk, 1307, 1365, 1034, now 1093 ...straight up bullying and manipulation, acting like they are weaker side but in reality far stronger then their opponents.

[@progame8890]

3012 is my old kingdom before I migrated to 3013….

[@axey7476]

Love me some RoK drama type vids😂

[@altaccount-qy3zv]

41:06 best way for this matchup is to not snipe 960 and 93, cause with these allies the rest of your kingdom is migrating out after this loss 😂

[@greenwizard7572]

2605 registered first😂

[@altaccount-qy3zv]

It doesn't matter, they knew they wanted a 1v1 and sniped they could've gone orleans with all the other A kd @@greenwizard7572

[@KNNY61]

Lol. This won't end well. Get your popcorn, more betrayals are at hand. 😄😄

[@jshtng78]

So how do you reconcile all of this with the reality that a massive FFA was intended to be peak endgame for a kingdom builder during the era that RoK started? That stage is what used to make krakens to sink their life savings into the game to stay ahead.

[@AdultArtsAndCraftssportscards]

Will this crap setup ruin any of these kindgoms after this kvk? Meaning mass quitting due to just frustration.

[@qige4234]

blame lilith for such a bad match up

[@bluey4171]

960 are unbeaten they need to push them self to make them uncomfortable but they won’t

[@jeffmichniewicz3823]

i think chisgule is right the most logical team would be 2605/960 allied and 1093 gets map advantage and a couple of those 4 kingdom allies are going to shine and play a big role but man what a drama cant wait to watch this go down and hopefully can get more chances to talk this out

[@pleasurewasmine3173]

no one enjoys losing but when you are afraid to lose this is what happens. you would think that with all these wealthy people in these kingdoms they would have some wise players leading, but yet here they are. the developers need to add more mechanics into kvk matches that allow for more specific setups to be made where they can rearrange camp locations and so on and then lock in those positions after it is agreed upon by all camps. if this makes sense. in other words the kvk system is not designed to handle such competitive kvks with such large kingdoms as these where the players are just not capable of making a working and seemingly fair agreement that cant just be changed mid game and cause all hell to break loose. hope these things change. wasting months on kvks is a game ruining design and lilith needs to intervene.

[@IRS_ROK_Agent]

Sounds like Leopard, guy is great....probably paying someone to run his discord like his account

[@B_N-MM]

Do you threaten 960? Do you want to take the zone for free? I do not expect this to happen. 960 will destroy you first and then move to 93.

[@DrKingSchultz1859]

Free For Awful

[@powerinthoughts2699]

Juicy diplo, love it

[@hams6468]

Honestly 2v2v2 works... I think 2605 might be a bit delusional if they think they're going to drain 1960. At this stage, with the 960 dominance, I honestly think 9160 could walk 2605 & then walk 1093. they need to do a KVK where it is stacked against them to not win & see how that goes

[@Chisgule]

People seem to forget that you can’t bring bottomless farms now. Draining is more real than ever.

[@cristianflores2981]

Lmao Jesus Christ is 1960 a bunch of cry babies or what… like a kid not getting their way and throwing a fit

[@maxjx4156]

How about 1V1V4, 960 vs 93 vs 2605 with all AB kingdoms

[@Chisgule]

I think 1v1v4 would dramatically favor the group of 4

[@maxjx4156]

@@Chisgule In this system, whether it's 960, 93, or 2605, each faction aims for ultimate victory, creating a delicate balance and mutual restraint. If any two factions engage in full-scale conflict from the start, it benefits the third party. Therefore, after the opening in pass5, I anticipate limited skirmishes rather than an all-out war. Ultimately, each faction will control area 3, and the final three will jointly enter Kingslanding. If you believe that 2605 holds a significant advantage in this system, both 960 and 93 will also notice that. it's highly likely that 960 and 93 might initially to take down 2605. Afterward, they would then contend for the ultimate victory among themselves.

[@lilypad_07]

Look forward for a fun war :)

[@reyhart4315]

Last month he said the diplo in Call of Dragon is exhausting, tedious, and nerve wrecking. RoK is better than CoD... blablabla.. have fun with RoK diplo champion!

[@qige4234]

one point I agree with is, you can’t underestimate small kingdoms, if they see the hope of winning, they can have many more players, even farmers, coming out fight at any time, (keep in mind,farmers like one sided match up).they can drain any single imperium very much

[@ohbahsan]

there is imperium, then there's 93/365/960 imperium. there is a reason why these 3 imperiums don't take small kds into consideration

[@MRSPONGEBOB471]

​@@ohbahsanyes buts if all the smaller kds gets free passage and all get together it's legit 12kds vs 1....