Chris Paul vs John Stockton: WHO IS THE BETTER POINT GUARD?

Both John Stockton of the Utah Jazz and Chris Paul of the Los Angeles Clippers are the gold standard for point guard play in the NBA. Take a deep dive into their stats and footage and decide which one of these all time greats and hall of famers is the better player.
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[@tristanjose5640]

Lol you lost the argument when you picked injured riddle cp3

[@chumchumlol]

u can't compare John to Chris because John is 100% better

[@dragondragon5437]

@@chumchumlol Why not??He is by far better in playoff then Stockton..And 80 era wass faster pace general so Cp3 is better..

[@TheJeramyJay]

@@dragondragon5437 lol CP3 had to join the rockets just to make it to the WCF. They may have made it to the finals... Oh that's right cp3 was hurt again. Actually where is CP3 right now? Oh hurt again. CP3 is better than John Stockton at collecting a paycheck from sitting on the bench in street clothes.

[@dragondragon5437]

@@TheJeramyJay Nostalgia... Image player with 13ppg in playoff hahaha

[@pooPbutwhole]

.."2 words: Michael Jeffrey Jordan." -coach nick 2017

[@xxxcashboydxxx9095]

ML10040311 man i was about to say that

[@joonaspenttila201]

ML10040311 yeah i was just thinking about this and started looking for this comment

[@ehtikhet]

Scrolled down for this. Left happy.

[@merwynabel7661]

7:13 HAHAHA

[@asdfgdfasdfaff1959]

Just one if the many fuck ups this idiot makes: Stockton js the better player. End if story. If he had jumped around to better teams like CP3, he would have actually won a few rings. Stats are everything in this debate since they play in different era’s. Stockton has two records that will not be broken for at least another 15 years, and thats only if a player comes ariound that mimics his entire play style. Stockton is the better player, period end of story. Anyone that says otherwise is being biased against the unpopular Jazz player.

[@samdatech]

The best ability is availability.. so i am going with John Stockton

[@RumbleFighterSolid]

Samuel Robles lol

[@budabudimir1]

This might be the best point in comment section. How could you not pick a player that played so hard, yet could not be injured.

[@relaxandwork4666]

God WestBrick CP3 > Lurry

[@nabilghafar9150]

Correct. Even though CP3 is great, he got injured many times and in the playoff too. So, if you're not on the court, you can't help the team.

[@arsonhakobyan]

Stockton's more durable than CP3, partly cause he plays a less explosive style. But I think that Chris Paul has been available for every playoffs, and other than 10', has played at least 60 games every season (58 this season). 7 times he's played at least 70 games, and 3 times at least 80 games. Thus, not as durable as Stockton, but easily more durable than Allen Iverson, and descent durability overall.

[@TanstA]

I just realized Chris Paul and Blake Griffin are the weak versions of Stockton and Malone. lol

[@baselinejordan1744]

Lord Penguin good one lol

[@fatdudeswag404]

Foreal tho and there even more athletic and didn't do shit.. I'll choose stockton

[@salainiccolo5883]

Lord Penguin the poor man's version

[@jemfeliciano4983]

fatdudeswag404 except stockton and malone has more iq and chemistry 😂

[@seananthony7494]

Or a better version of Gary Payton and Shawn Kemp...

[@spenceranderson5066]

Gary Payton said Stock was harder to guard than Michael Jordan. cp3 is a beast, but he'll never touch John Stockton

[@Coldskin1]

Its hard to guard because no one wants to help def because of Malone and the pick roll almost all ways leaves him open

[@toshirohitsugaya857]

@@Coldskin1 No, because Stockton can litteraly make everything. A great pass or a shoot if you don't pay attention or drive to the bucket.

[@Ma1q444]

Stockton is overrated

[@Mrpedr092]

Magic said himself that every point guard should watch John Stockton and try and be like him. Enough said.

[@danielpaz671]

You mean don't dribble with your off hand?

[@jasonjasonson9154]

john stockton and it aint even close

[@hayteren]

I mean, if CP ever got close to even one of those godlike records, it might be a discussion. Spoiler: He's not coming close

[@kaito3528]

lol Stockton didn’t even have a left hand

[@AJ-is5ut]

@@kaito3528 he didn't need one you fkin clown

[@kaito3528]

Basil Carpenter jr He played with Karl Malone for 19 seasons all of his assists would come him getting trapped picking up his dribble and passed it to Malone who would do a quick post move and Stockton undeservingly getting an assist

[@AJ-is5ut]

@@kaito3528 yeah, keep trying to make weak ass fucking excuses you hater. He was the epitome of a point guard , period. Tough as hell for his size, not a bitch baby like most of the players today

[@pedro_6925]

Stockton played all 82 games on 16 seasons. Oh my God. GOAT

[@dariusisfamous2840]

He wasn’t a good scorer

[@dariusisfamous2840]

@calmfy and wut?

[@dariusisfamous2840]

@calmfy Idk you the one that said and

[@dariusisfamous2840]

@calmfy me neither

[@jaycee9153]

@@dariusisfamous2840 @choazyy get a room

[@trentirwin7340]

I think it’s insulting to make the comparison. John Stockton easily. No contest or debate.

[@Tstewa4869]

Trent Irwin Making the comparison isn't the problem. It's just making it into an argument of who's better that makes it a problem. Stockton was as pure as a point guard gets, but CP3 is the last of the dying breed for pass first playmakers and ran a lot of plays from the mid-range, so I can see where comparisons arise.

[@Biid21]

Trent Irwin it’s not embarrassing stop it kid.

[@alejandromarmolejo13]

Trent Irwin it’s not insulting. It’s more insulting of your part to devaluate a legend like Chris Paul like that

[@dandsch]

@@alejandromarmolejo13 Chris Paul doesnt even come close to John Stockton. Like there is no comparison. John Stockton is clearly the better point guard.

[@arsonhakobyan]

@@dandsch Tough call. If I have a team w/ all the weaponry in place around the point guard already, I'm going w/ Stockton; his efficiency is flawless. If I have a missing part or 2, such as no slasher from the wing for instance, or I'm deficient in some other area, I'm going w/ Paul, cause he can carry a team more.

[@cooperlloyd707]

That's hilarious.... John Stockton any day of the week that ends in the letter y. All-Time career record in assists AND steals! He has also found way more success in the Playoffs, reaching the NBA Finals TWICE! Stockton is way too underrated, if he played somewhere besides Utah, he would be known as the greatest point guard ever!

[@NOYOUSHUTUP3.14]

Zeke said Stockton would've been even better in a more free form offense than the pick and role heavy Utah offense. Granted Isaiah hates Karl Malone and that might be a dig on Karl but Isaiah doesn't give out praise lightly (if at all). One other thing is CP3 is considered a bit of an asshole in the league (just ask Rondo). Plus he's wound so tight he fails in the clutch too often for my taste

[@leos_27]

Stockton has a reserved personality, just about that, the people doesn't consider him as one of the all time greats.

[@thefab0075]

Stockton have a losing record in the Playoffs you Know that

[@billiondollarbull]

1. Stockton played in the handchecking era when it was easier to get steals. 2. CP3 never had Karl Malone for almost 20 years. At best he had Blake Griffin who is nothing compared to the mailman. 3. CP3 has one of the most sauce of all time and Stockton has trash skills. Stockton never finishes with his left hand, even when going left. Find me a clip of him using his left hand and I'll give a $100.

[@jackmiller9864]

@@billiondollarbull ur a hack lol

[@josephtedros2089]

jazz won in 7 because of the ghost of John stockton's career

[@rexgiacomoguianan1202]

John led his team in 19 playoffs appearances and 2 finals appearance.Also Stockton is NBA all time assist and steals leader by a mile.

[@arsonhakobyan]

So he was the better point guard, Chris Paul's the better basketball player.

[@gmoney5947]

Rex Giacomo Guianan by 100 miles

[@gmoney5947]

Arson Hakobyan have you seen how many games Stockton missed in his career. The answer is 22. He was 1502/1524. You don’t even want to know how many games CP3 has missed. Also I assume you’re saying he’d beat Stockton 1 v 1 and not 5 v 5, because every hall of famer would pick Stockton over CP3 at PG 9/10 times.

[@martin4484]

G Money How’d you know they’d pick Stockton? You asked them 1 by 1? CP3 isn’t bad himself, with what he shown in his career he can be put into the debate of the GOAT PGs that ever played. I personally think Stockton is better, but it’d be better to construct your arguments without bringing down the other. You’re disrespecting what Paul has done in the league as if you really know who every HOF would pick. And if ever they did ofc more would pick Stockton since some played with him.

[@atomaalatonal]

he is also one of the most efficient players in history, due to efficiency ratings on nba alltime stats. just for comparison, bryant is one of the worst efficient, like westbrook

[@williamweber6406]

7:05 This dude said "2 words 'Michael Jeffrey Jordan'." How to count 101

[@damiester1]

Dude, he's American.

[@williamweber6406]

Oh shit my bad I didn't know.

[@mcray0309]

what does that have to do with it

[@williamweber6406]

Absolutely nothing.

[@mcray0309]

im sorry this is mind fucking me, did someone delete a reply or somthing

[@zachwachs4058]

Chris Paul isn't worthy of being mentioned when it comes to John Stockton. John Stockton is the best point guard to ever play basketball ever. John Stockton's records will never be broken.

[@TheRealNeil-kc7si]

False

[@blakespadaro2313]

Stockton isn’t better then Magic Johnson Steph Curry Oscar Robertson Jerry West And Isiah Thomas I’ll put him over Chris Paul He’s got an argument over Isiah but I’ll take Isiah. Stockton is still 6 or 7th best PG ever

[@eikokaniken6662]

@@blakespadaro2313 1 magic johnson 2isiah thomas 3 john stockton

[@Robertedwinhouse38]

This didn’t age well

[@eikokaniken6662]

@@Robertedwinhouse38 it aged well you aged late

[@MrPainfulTruth]

In Stocktons era, "dribbling skills werent evolved"...you could also say that back then, travel palming and double dribble were actually called

[@falcoisfrosty]

CP3 is really good, but Stockton get's my vote

[@falcoisfrosty]

Shawn Bradley what?

[@falcoisfrosty]

1738647 agreed

[@vitorabf]

Two words: michael jeffrey jordan. Lol

[@tarodfowlkes3934]

Vitor Augusto that's three words idiot

[@muellerjosephl]

tarod fowlkes ur more of an idiot than he is

[@luisangelcortezjr14]

tarod fowlkes you're the idiot, he was making a joke

[@Josh-dm7cu]

tarod fowlkes he was quoting bballbreakdown dummy

[@mcray0309]

the fact that youre alive is amazing with that low of a chromosome count

[@ADAJ3KINGANGEL]

Stockton's longevity and lack of injuries is amazing.

[@lukejbarnett1]

that's another thing that makes stockton better than paul which i didnt think about stockton always played like 80 or 81 or 82 games every year whereas paul never played 82 games pretty much.

[@OfficialG5Tv]

@@lukejbarnett1bro he didn’t do anything but pass how could he get hurt. CP3 was a scorer AND passer it’s no debate.

[@penkima4923]

@@OfficialG5Tv "...how could he get hurt." Google 80's basketball. In fact, google basketball.

[@vikingspud]

Malone tells the story of when a trainer refused to set Stockton's broken leg, so he did it himself. Tough as nails.

[@kawhileongoat1454]

Stockton no doubt, go watch the vid " The most underrated career in NBA history" by SWISHOUT

[@CoolingKit9]

Real Bars no

[@leontran2427]

By saying this "no doubt" you are underrated Chris Paul a lot.

[@zuffyg4772]

Real Bars stockton not every underrated. He's always brought up in top5 PG convos

[@jic333]

Leon Tran No he is just saying he was that good.

[@notjamz2914]

ZuffyG but people question his #1/2 status and put steve nash and Kidd over him

[@Jmiedawg]

Only thing Stockton does better than CP3 is staying injury free.

[@Jmiedawg]

@Google Account that's a longevity stat, literally what I just said. Dude played with karl malone who averaged 30 for 20 years

[@Jmiedawg]

@Google Account buddy played with karl malone, advanced stats show who's the superior talent and player. Stockton was never a top 10 player in the league or mvp candidate when he played. Keep mouthing off tho

[@Jmiedawg]

@Google Account what are you on about, Stockton never finished top 7 in mvp voting. He was also the second option every year of his career. These are facts, using fancy adjectives like "historic" means shit all next to facts. You're such a bozo lmao, keep mouthing off, let's see what adjectives you'll use next.

[@Coldskin1]

@Google Account longevity? but who better at 36 cp3 or john stockton.

[@pele1281]

All time steals and assists leader who made 5 conference finals in 7 years, including back-to-back finals vs Jordan's Bulls. But sure. The guy who's never been out of the 2nd round? He's better. LOL

[@KJ-gr6ho]

Not to discredit John but what u think chris paul would of did with that jazz team

[@bcuno]

JD C lmao imagine putting CP3 in the 90s. He would average 25 and 15. 90s west doesn’t nowhere NEAR CLOSE to the west today.

[@jpm74]

@@bcuno Stockton played in their primes at one point or another - Magic Johnson, Gary Payton, Jason Kidd, Kevin Johnson, Tim Hardaway in the West. Penny Hardaway, Mark Price, Allen Iverson, Isiah Thomas, Dennis Johnson in the East. The player he played the most games against in his career was Hakeem Olajuwon - the All-Time Leader In Blocked Shots. Chris Paul would be crying for his mama every night.

[@msinna6433]

Newmans_Own you gotta remember that everyone today is better. A lot of what Chris Paul does today would’ve been an anomaly back then, as bball said the point guards weren’t as developed in moves and roles as they were today. Chris proves ly would’ve done better since the importance of centers and point guards switched between the 2 eras, as well as the skill levels required

[@Coldskin1]

Just to note John stockton wasnt even an allstar when they made it to the final by 34 he was out of his prime. Just think if malone had chris paul from this year

[@jakekidd6910]

It's John Stockton. He could do perfect cutting passes.

[@robtes2771]

Stockton>CP3. The only reason Stockton doesn't have a ring is because he ran into the GOAT for 2 straight NBA Finals. I love CP3 but he choked in 3 straight years in the playoffs. in 2013 the clippers were up 2-0 against the grizzlies and lost the next 4 games. in 2014 in game 5 against the thunder, the clippers were up 7 with 49 seconds left and CP3 had 2 straight turnovers before fouling Westbrook on a 3 that cost them the game and the series. in 2015 the clippers were up 3-1 against the rockets and blew the series. Now the warriors are too good and his chance to get to the finals are over but he had his chances and he blew them.

[@theastralshepherd4335]

Chris Paul didn't lose in those series', the Clippers did. Basketball is team game if you didn't know

[@robtes2771]

The Notorious G.T.M. Is it a team game when players negotiate their contracts??? I didn't think so. CP3 got paid max dollars to make a difference and the clippers still have never been to a conference finals. He deserves to be blamed.

[@leontran2427]

Rob Tes so doesn't John Stockton need to be blamed by losing in the finals? And is everybody perfect? I see what you are saying bc you are right, Chris Paul should take the blame, but not all of it. Against the rockets, doc rivers drained the starters out and the bench could not provide anything. A quote by Isiah Thomas about game 6 of the finals when the jazz faced the bulls for the second straight year, "I believe that if John Stockton does not pass that ball to Karl Malone with 30 seconds left, they win that game." Many players believed that John Stockton passed too much to a fault bc John Stockton had the ability to score, but he would cost his teams by passing it too much. Both players share this characteristic that hinders their team.

[@theastralshepherd4335]

+Rob Tes He did make a difference what the hell are you talking about. CP3 is the one who made the Clippers relevant again. And yes CP3 deserves blame but so does everybody else on the TEAM capisce?

[@robtes2771]

Leon Tran No player is perfect but even if Stockton doesn't make that pass and they win Game 6 they would still need to win Game 7. My point about CP3 is that his teams were in position to win a series multiple times and he failed to capitalize. The responsibility and blame should primarily be on him.

[@andrewbochicchio4289]

What a joke....Stockton is so much better

[@keshon79]

Dominic dominic Chill out stockton was good but co3 bette

[@SuperJoobers]

Dominic dominic he relied on the whole team! He was a point gaurd. Weak players he went up against Gary Payton, Vernon maxwell, Kevin Johnson, Kenny Smith,Tim hardaway,terry porter, all in the West! Rock solid my dude. Sure the game has evolved, but for people to say players was weak in the 90’s is bullshit. I believe the this generation says it because they heard somewhere else, but they really don’t know for themselves.

[@imarino1349]

John Stockton really is clearly ahead. If you say otherwise.....then you are either 12, or just have no knowledge of Basketball outside of the current era.

[@aidanbernard1918]

Dominic dominic and who did Paul face? 90’s are better than 00’s. Chris Paul’s career is almost over and he doesn’t lead assists

[@dominiccart8967]

Lem dude stfu stockton leads in steals and assist he's better than Chris paul

[@Danielnhint]

John Stockton played against the greats and dominated... no mention to 24pts, 24assists and 5steals vs Lakers in 1988 playoffs at the forum? Chris Paul is said to be better because media needs audience... when he retires people will continue comparing the next big PG against Stockton not CP3...

[@AndyZach]

Truth.

[@TheYop996]

Forgiven Sinner 20/20/0

[@Janinho897]

you could have easily said the first sentence with the starting two words to be "Chris Paul". And I also don't really believe in that people will compare upcoming PGs to Stockton like he's the first ever great PG. CP3 will be just as legendary when he retires and people will look back at this Point God.

[@sohaminyoh]

Yeah do you realize how many of those assists were simple post entry passes? Stockton only had 3 years where he was winning a substantial amount of games in the playoffs for his team: and that was '96 through '98.

[@charezramirez1224]

Daniel Alves You're an idiot

[@24nukus]

All time assist leader, all time leader in steals, John Stockton for sure!

[@pele1281]

None of the stats you've used here account for pace. John Stockton's teams played at a relatively slow pace compared to Chris Paul's teams. Per 100 possessions, Stockton scored 20+ points and had 17+ assists (peaking at 23 and 19.4, respectively) for 8 straight seasons. Chris Paul has never posted those numbers. Stockton did it for eight. straight. seasons. Despite never getting a finals ring, Stockton saw more postseason success, while CP3 has never been out of the 2nd round of the playoffs.

[@anakovacevic6755]

lol what? you wanna talk about PER 100 POSSESIONS? yeah CP3 ONLY had: 32ppg and 16apg in 2009 30ppg and 16apg in 2008 30ppg and 15apg in 2016 29ppg and 14 apg in 2017 27ppg and 15 apg in 2014 27ppg and 15apg in 2013 etc. So what would people rather have? 32/16 or 23/19?? lmao the answer is clear DONT TALK SHIT IF YOU DONT KNOW SHIT 32/16 IS BETTER THAN 23/19 IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT SHIT LIKE "PER 100 POSESSIONS" LOL

[@arsonhakobyan]

@@anakovacevic6755 That's actually much closer than you're suggesting. Assuming every assist leads to a 2pt field goal, the 3apg difference is 6pts. The point differential's 9. So that's only 3pts there. Now 1 of those 3 assists probably results in a 3pt field goal or 3pt play. That cuts it down to 2. Now at this trend, there's probably at least 1 other possession more where Stockton sets somebody up underneath the hoop to get hammered and go to the line for 2, but Stockton gets no credit for either of the 2 made free throws. So I'm going to very roughly say that the difference is 1pt, so basically negligible per 100 possessions. But no stat is perfect, pace is part of the game too, as are other things, so just going off a combo of naked eye test & stats, Stockton's a tiny bit more of a pure point guard, while Paul is the more dynamic dual threat point guard.

[@nicknack5697]

@@anakovacevic6755 Wanna talk about 20010-2012 and 2017-2022 lol? John Stockton put up his 20/17 up every single year of his career not just half of them

[@bjeendorschit4737]

Michael Jeffrey Jordan are not two words

[@dondreytaylor8001]

Michael-Jeffery Jordan? haha

[@djmiggy7350]

Two words: Michael JEFFREY Jordan. Nice one Coach.

[@bowaster57]

if the conclusion of this video is anything other than john stockton ill have lost all faith in you

[@introvrt8507]

P

[@imarino1349]

Stoked status: 100% Same. What kind of total moron could put Paul over Stockton?

[@ryerock32]

Because Chris Paul is very fucking good at basketball

[@ryerock32]

Honestly he probably is. Isiah Thomas lucked onto being the centerpiece of his era's warriors. He was the best played on the best team for their chip runs and early in their formation. Paul's the more efficient player, the better defender, the better passer, and noticeably better at taking care off the rock.

[@ryerock32]

They also drafted Kelly Tripuka who helped carry the scoring load. They traded for Vinnie Johnson and Bill Laimbeer by the next year because their old team had a bunch of solidish assets. (Essentially his team getting a Klay and Draymond before trading for an Iggy. Daly was hired after the new unit showed potential (hiring Kerr) and the team took off. They then jettisoned the solid wing they drafted for a multi-time scoring champion (Dantley/Durant). Except in his case his team kept adding more pieces building up a rotation that's comfortably 8-9 deep.

[@blakecombs1219]

Awesome video man. Only correction I feel obligated to point out is that the Stockton/Malone Jazz actually made it to 5 conference finals, not 3.

[@Amarioism]

this shouldn't even be a discussion... if it wasn't for MJ Bulls John Stockton would have at least 2 rings... Guy was on the dream team the greatest team ever assembled.. and in my opinion Cp3 wouldn't have made the team

[@zackd9032]

Bruh whattt ???? Are u drunk

[@SoKrayzie]

Dumbtard

[@bugsy101073]

no contest by a wide margin: STOCKTON over CP3

[@Angelusloco15]

Always Stockton. Both great players. But i would choose John Stockton every time.

[@lotuschilds]

There's absolutely no way anyone can be compared to Stockton. he is by far the best point guard of all time. his assists total will never be broken. his steals, maybe. but no one will come close to assists. Stockton played 19 years and only missed a handful of games. his toughness cannot be challenged and knowing how long he played, in a league that had more physical contact allowed back then, being the size he was and going up against arguably the best era of basketball players the NBA has ever seen, he is by far the greatest point guard to ever play the game.

[@fileminokilicho3159]

that's what also sets Stockton apart: his toughness. He can screen mammoth players and just shut them down. And if he falls, he never complains. He bounces right back up and continues with the game. I even think he's the GOAT.

[@Goodpatron]

Is this even a question??? It's blasphemous to even compare Chris Paul to John Stockton. Paul is not even close. Stockton is the greatest point guard ever!

[@Robertedwinhouse38]

Not only is Chris Paul better but so is magic isiah Oscar curry, hell even kyrie won a ring as a second option. John is a ringless second option

[@Coldskin1]

Kyrie stats barely even better than an system like nash🤦 all he does is score but good enough for an superstar like AI not only that he been missing a hell lot of playoffs games lately iam take an hard pass. Should of said damian liilard

[@ehnonyhumus]

In the end, I think Stockton's longevity wins out. If you have to pick player for a single game, you could take Paul, but for a career, it's Stockton by a long shot.

[@narcolepticbadger]

Stockton is better. No question about it, top 3 point guard of all time

[@loganparke5631]

this dude obviously never watched stockton.

[@bballbreakdown]

+Logan Parke lmao, I actually watched him in person!

[@steventurnbull2387]

+BBALLBREAKDOWN Everything you bring up in this video is valid, however, I have to with Stockton as the better pure point guard. However, this arising belief that CP3 is overrated and people beginning to believe that CP is not an all time top 5 point guard is extremely ludicrous. Thank you, for bringing to light the overlooked aspects of CP3's game that the casual fan refuses to recognize. This was my favorite video ever.

[@p8nisman-not]

U watched him in person in 2003 when he was trash

[@grapplerke]

Chris Paul is slightly better individually, but if you are building a team of 8 to 12 players, you have to go with Stockton. He’ll make any team that much better. Steph Curry is a tier above both of them though.

[@davidfebreeze428]

grapplerke u could make that argument but i think in today’s game Stockton is gonna let it fly and get to the basket at any time as well as mid range shots it’s system because he fed it to Malone so much and point guards nowadays have more room to operate

[@soppoi123]

Since 2000, every Western Conference team has made the WCF except New Orleans and the Clippers. Do you still think CP3 is better?

[@markbrinton6790]

soppoi123 that is an amazing statistic, that is very interesting, and I agree, very telling. I'm blown away you caught that. Great comment.

[@markbrinton6790]

soppoi123 that is an amazing statistic, that is very interesting, and I agree, very telling. I'm blown away you caught that. Great comment.

[@anakovacevic6755]

and CP3 came into the league in 2005, not in 2000 lol, what are you talking about lmao

[@TheRandumbGamer]

yes

[@anakovacevic6755]

lmaooo cp3 was a rookie in 2006, why tf are you talking about 2000.? and he came to clippers in 2012 are you on drugs rn

[@Eastdevil71]

I go with John Stockton, knowing you can count on him when the going gets tough and won't let emotion gets in the way.

[@tonykartracer8032]

Exactly. Some players have that something about them that you can trust when the time calls for it..... that's John Stockton. A mentally fragile player like Chris Paul will always choke come crunch time. You just know these sort of things if you are in-tuned with sporting competitions.

[@Robertedwinhouse38]

@@tonykartracer8032 John Stockton was a career second option with no rings

[@kimbertumen4382]

@@Robertedwinhouse38 ahh the dumb analysis bringing up the "no rings"

[@guitarguy07]

Stockton no question. CP3 is very good but Stockton was a legend through the end of his career. Hope CP3 gets healthy and finishes his career on the upswing though!

[@bigbrauner1775]

Hi, I'm Magic Johnson, the actual best point guard of all time. If you'd like to call me up to apologize, I'm at Laker headquarters, trying to fix Jimmy Buss's mess. Leave a message with Jeannie.

[@visau1052]

Magic was an all around player also...and point guard is the only position Stockton played. So Stockton is the best pure point guard.

[@ChocManus]

"Yes Hello, Magic? In regard to your request we have declined your offer but what we can do is offer you a John Stockton play by play video tape on how your improve your game. Have a nice day"

[@jamvan1000]

The Glove said Stockton was harder to guard than MJ. I'll have to say Stockton.

[@vikingspud]

Payton told Earl Watson to refer to him as "Mr. Stockton." He was also told him that he was privileged to play against the Jazz legend.

[@christiandc173]

Uneducated kids Will Say Paul...But People who really knows the NBA Stockton for sure

[@yiutungkwok3648]

If you want to sell sport shoes, then CP3. If you want to win in Playoffs, then Stockton.

[@Thechocolate130]

You probably aren't even old enough to have watched stockton play.

[@anakovacevic6755]

It is CP3.

[@anakovacevic6755]

or maybe you are uneducated and you dont know that Stockton played with a top 15 player of all time and thats why he won in the playoffs cp3s best teammate is mr. made of glass blake griffin who will be at best not even in top 150 players of all time and who else? david west lol you dont know shit so stfu

[@rodrigoalvarezpallete8898]

True stockton is my favorite player aol time

[@skylerkrein7746]

WTF BRO!!!!!! CHRIS PAUL IM LAUGHING😂😂😂😂STOCKTON ALL THE WAY BRO

[@Otashigami]

My two favorite PGs but I would choose Stockton over Paul simply because he was more durable and had a healthier career.

[@UKAkiba1]

John.

[@anakovacevic6755]

Chris

[@MaximumEfficiency]

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[@haydenm1223]

the tittle says "BETTER POINT GUARD" a point guard is an a court leader, basically a coach on the floor. They're supposed to run the offensive not score like Curry or Westbrook. The question is who's a better Point Guard, that answer is Stockton but better player is Paul. I rather take Stockton and he is the better POINT GUARD

[@lonniethompson758]

Stockton is by far a better player

[@BuckandOden]

If I had to try to construct the "perfect team" John Stockton would be my PG.

[@dumisatonyjohnson8145]

One word: Stockton. More steals and more assists all-time than any player in NBA History. One of the 50 all-time greatest players in the history of the game. 19 years with Jazz.

[@bradydastrup1025]

Is this actually a debate? Stockton. Hands down. No contest.

[@NobodyTouchesJordan]

If you play 9 of 13 career playoff series in the first round (don't have to maintain stats for longer playoff runs) and never faced a Finals/Title caliber team (easier competition), you better have good playoff statistics at the bare minimum. Any top 15 PG of all-time will have similar or better playoff statistics in Chris Paul's shoes *Rod Strickland 1994 - 1997 Playoffs* 21.7 ppg - 5.1 rpg - 9.5 apg 2.9 TOpg - 45% FG *Chris Paul 2008 - 2017 Playoffs* 21.4 ppg - 4.7 rpg - 9.4 apg 2.7 TOpg - 48% FG 1994 - 1997 Strickland faced 2 championship teams to CP3's 0 Finals/Title teams. Averaged more PPG, RPG, APG on less efficiency and slightly more TOpg. Obviously CP3 maintained his stats for a longer time so he's better, but the point is the same that it's much easier to put up big playoff stats in CP3's ideal circumstances. Read more at SECTION 1 - The Myth That Chris Paul Doesn't Have Good Help SECTION 2 - The Myth That Chris Paul is an Elite Defender SECTION 3 - Why Chris Paul's Playoff Statistics Are Not as Impressive SECTION 4 - Chris Paul is Not a Top 10 Point Guard of All-Time *Prime Stockton in playoffs that only lasted 1-2 rounds* 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1993, 1995 18.2 PPG - 3.7 RPG - 13.4 APG 2.45 SPG - 0.29 BPG - 3.5 TOpg 49% FG - 83% FT 3.80 AST:TO ratio Lost to 2 Title teams (88 Lakers, 95 Rockets) Had Stockton had the statistical luxury that CP3 does, of playing only in 1-2 round playoffs in his prime, he'd have the highest playoff APG by a comfortable margin. 13.4 APG to Magic's 12.3 APG. Also would have the highest playoff SPG average, 2.45 to Baron Davis' 2.28. *Chris Paul playoff career 2008 - 2017* (All Runs lasted only 1-2 rounds) 21.4 PPG - 4.7 RPG - 9.4 APG 2.21 SPG - 0.09 BPG - 2.7 TOpg 48% FG - 85% FT 3.45 AST:TO ratio Lost to 0 Finals/Title teams Stockton's assist advantage (+4.0) is much greater than any of CP3's advantages combined (+3.2 PPG, +1.0 RPG, -0.8 TOpg) since it accounts for at least an 8 PPG advantage

[@nobodytouchesmj9780]

CP3 isn't even half as good as Kevin Johnson, so there's no chance of comparing him to John Stockton. *Kevin Johnson's Playoff records* 1. NBA records for most playoff runs (ppg-apg) of - 20-8 past the 1st Round (5) - 21-8 past the 1st Round (5) - 20-9 past the 1st Round (5) - 21-9 past the 1st Round (5) - 22-8 past the 1st Round (4) - 23-8 past the 1st Round (4) - 22-9 past the 1st Round (4) - 23-9 past the 1st Round (4) - 24-8 past the 1st Round (2) - Tied with Isiah, Oscar, Westbrook - 24-9 past the 1st Round (2) - 22-10 past the 1st Round (2) - 23-10 past the 1st Round (2) - 22-11 past the 1st Round (2) - 23-11 past the 1st Round (2) 2. Only player to average - 22-12 or 23-12 in a playoff run past the 2nd round 3. 2nd all-time, behind Magic Johnson, in playoff runs (ppg-apg) of - 20-10 past the 1st Round (3) - 21-10 past the 1st Round (2) - 21-11 past the 1st Round (2) - 20-9 past the 2nd round (2) - Tied with Nash - 21-9 past the 2nd round (2) - 20-10 past the 2nd round (2) - Tied with Nash - 21-10 past the 2nd round (2) *Chris Paul's Playoff records* 1. Highest AST:TO ratio in a playoff run past the 1st round (min. 11 APG) Other players have higher AST:TO ratios with less APG however - Fat Lever - highest AST:TO ratio past 1st Rd (min. 3.5 APG) - Johnny Moore - highest AST:TO ratio past 1st Rd (min. 8, 9, or 10 APG) 2. Tied-Most all-star teams (9) without passing the 2nd round with Dominique Wilkins - however, Dominique lost to 2 championship teams (86 Celtics, 93 Bulls) - CP3 has never faced a team that even made the Finals after beating him 3. Most playoff games (76) without reaching a Conference Finals - despite the luxury of never having to face a Finals/Title team Not only did KJ set a significantly higher number of playoff records than CP3, he did it against significantly better competition. KJ lost to 6 teams that either made the Finals or won it all. In each of KJ's playoff runs where he averaged those numbers under his list of records, he lost to either a Finals or Title team. CP3 faced 0 teams that even made the Finals after beating him, let alone win it all KJ also played with lesser supporting casts than CP3 in his pre-Barkley years, and even when he had Barkley he played significantly better playoff competition regardless in 3 championship teams to CP3 facing 0 teams that even made the Finals.

[@akeembrown7661]

Nobody Touches Jordan idk if you wrote this yourself or if you copied and paste but the whole cp3 hasn't played any championship teams or has all his stats against non competitive teams is BS. Just off the top of my head ( I'm sure there's PLENTY more that I'm forgetting) I know he played the reigning NBA champion Spurs team and beat them (and hit the game winner/series winner) in 2014 not only did he beat them he had amazing numbers in that run, also his series against a perennial championship CALIBER okc team he did the same, and he just played a Utah jazz team that was the number 2 rated defensive team in the entire league this year and still got his pretty easily he was almost at 50/40/90 with 25 ppg and 10 ast. Point being cp3 gets his numbers pretty easily which is a testament to him being a good player simple.

[@nobodytouchesmj9780]

Playing a defending champion is not the same as facing an actual championship team. I am referring to facing a Finals/Title team in the same year that a player lost to them. The 2015 Spurs were the 6-seed and lost in the 1st round, then the Clippers lost to a Rockets team without Beverly that lost before making the Finals. Only two seeds in history outside of the top 3 seeds have won a title, so the 2015 Spurs were not legitimate contenders regardless of their previous two seasons. as evidenced by losing to a Clippers team that lost to a non-Finals team The 2014 Thunder also did not make the Finals that year they beat CP3, they lost before making the Finals. 2012 was the only year they made the Finals. So once again he lost to a non-Finals team Utah was without Gobert for the first 3 games and Hayward was out for the last 3 quarters of Game 4 due to illness, so the Jazz were not at full strength for more than half the series. So Chris Paul only faced the Jazz's top ranked defense for less than half the series at full strength. And did nothing in the 2nd half of Game 7 when the stakes were highest. John Wall is averaging 29-11 in these 2017 Playoffs on 50/36/83 shooting. Westbrook was previously the only player to average 26-11 in a playoffs past the 1st round, so Wall has a chance of setting a new record if he keeps up this play. His 2017 run thus far is way more impressive than anything CP3 has done in the playoffs.

[@akeembrown7661]

Nobody Touches MJ I knew what you referring too I know the teams I mentioned didn't win chip I never said they did my point was that he did play championship CALIBER teams plenty of times throughout his career so my point still stands to have the notion that he never played anyone is stupid asf to me. Besides the whole basis of your argument seems stupid you know how many NBA players could have their stats "discredited" because they didn't play the champions that year??? Yea your right John wall has put up nice stats this post season slightly better than cp3s and for a larger amount of games but that has nothing to do with everything else I said above and doesn't change the similarly amazing stats cp has and has had. And like I said those were only a couple I could think off of the top of my head I'm sure there are many more series we could discuss if I actually went and looked up the records and searched for the numbers

[@nobodytouchesmj9780]

He's faced good teams, but never faced a true Finals/Title team so the point still stands. A Finals-caliber team is not the same as actually making the Finals or winning it all, with rare exceptions for weak conferences like the 2002 / 2003 Nets or 2007 Cavs. "you know how many NBA players could have their stats "discredited" because they didn't play the champions that year??? " But my point is not that CP3 did not face Finals/Title teams for one year, it's that he has never faced a Finals/Title team in his ENTIRE playoff career. The only other notable player I can think of who faced 0 Finals/Title teams in his playoff career as a starter is Tracy McGrady. All the other notable players that made 0 Finals have lost to Finals/Title teams at least once. Such as - Nash - Gervin - English - Gilmore - Moncrief - David Thompson - Tim Hardaway - Webber - Bernard King - 0 ECF/WCF - Dominque - 0 ECF/WCF so CP3 and Tmac's cases are especially bad, because all the other non-Finals players played better competition (Finals/Title teams) and have more valid excuses. so once again, he deserves extra criticism for making 0 WCF (not even the Finals) while facing 0 Finals/Title teams in his entire career. CP3's stats are not that amazing, because he's played 9 of 13 series in the 1st round and faced 0 Finals/Title teams. Rod Strickland from 1994-1997 put up better stats, with less help, and against better competition in 2 Title teams as posted in the first comment

[@yankees29]

I watched Stockton growing up. The game was much more physically demanding back then. He was a pit bull out there. Fundamentals and defense that few could match. CP3 is a very good player. But I’m sorry he doesn’t stack up to Stockton. If Stockton wanted to he could have scored much more than he did. I got to give it to Stockton.

[@JCT1926]

the ball handling skills have evolved over time....also the traveling violation

[@mixingrecords]

Good video. I liked Stockton and now I remember why. Nice to see that comparison.

[@cigmanfreud8567]

"...the only reason they couldn't win the whole thing was two words... Michael Jeffrey Jordan. " Pauses video. Counts with fingers. Resumed video and continued eating popcorn.

[@wambert]

Stockton by a lot due to being able to pass efficiently with left and right handedness.

[@yiutungkwok3648]

Definitely Stockton. Stockton stood up for Malone during clutch moments when the Mailman was cold.

[@dvdklix192]

I’ll go with Stockton because of how tough he was and how fundamentally he played . People saying cp3 was. Better in defense that’s not really true.. Stockton was playing in a defensive era where mostly everyone was good at defense that’s why he didn’t make a lot of defense all team . Cp3 is great though he’s not that far from Stockton . But I gotta go with the OG

[@slamdunk406]

I’m the biggest John Stockton fan ever, so of course I’ll say Stockton. That said, I think this would be a legit debate if CP3 had been more durable. I’m glad y’all are showing Stockton the love!

[@quinroark8519]

You ruined my night I hate how people don't understand that Stockton is actually REALLY good I mean he's the second best point guard ever

[@skyMcWeeds]

Who's the first then?

[@tobinfrost8934]

OBG Jay Magic Johnson

[@d.luvevo711]

He's not better than Chris Paul

[@suntansuperman26]

dan t Not better than CP3? I'm sorry but Stockton is better.

[@yiutungkwok3648]

CP3 chokes in clutch moments, while Stockton carried his team at important events. End of discussion

[@cepoctb]

Excellent timing. GG Utah!

[@SDama35]

but was the western conference back then not a blood bath as well?

[@arsonhakobyan]

Actually, it was.

[@jinpaloalto]

CP3 holds the ball for too long and it's bad to the team offense especially during the playoffs. That's why they were never able to get passed the 2nd round. Stockton is good at pick n roll, so trapping him would be difficult as the opposing team got to worry about the roller.

[@nickpagano7134]

Lol false

[@chiefkeef5537]

John is the better guard but they are so similar in play styles 2-way playmakers

[@indignation1331]

As much as I like Westbrook and acknowledge his growth he could learn a lot from Stockton. John had the goat turnover ratio.

[@marckman1411]

The fact you are comparing the all time assist leader to Chris Paul is blasphemous

[@jso19801980]

stockton is the best pg ever, Chris paul is lucky to be in the top 10

[@konjstip6156]

Stockton wasn't a brand like MJ, or Kobe, or Lebron etc... CP3 has more of a star rating because of his flashy style of game etc... But people tend to overlook one thing about John Stockton, when his all time assists (near 16k), and his all time points (near 20k) are combined, you get the most efficient player in NBA history, responsible for ~60k points in total (combining assists and points). Stockton is by far, the most underrated player ever.

[@jackson5781]

Im going with John Stockton. Healthier, longevity, and can take it away on a consistent basis

[@kianshamsk6934]

Bruh "2 words: Michael Jeffery Jordan"

[@justdafacts8584]

How is this even a debate? CP3 Is not even a top 3 PG OF ALL TIME 🤔

[@sudowoodo5826]

Stockton too tho

[@bpdub21]

Body of work is all I can say. Stockton is first all time in assists and steals, and no one in the league is going to catch him anytime soon.

[@arsonhakobyan]

Greatest pure point guard of all-time.

[@alexanderflores913]

Hand check rules have to be mentioned here. Made it way harder for a guard to penetrate That and durability mean I have to give it to Stockton.

[@jmoountfort5204]

Nice video, but I would edit out the comment about it being easier to get to the hoop after beating your opponent in Stockton's era (because of the illegal defense rule). Contemporary game is much more wide open to the basket because of the spacing, the (much more effective deterrent) fear of getting called for flagrants, the disappearance of the carry and travelling calls, and the rules that now all but rule out any physical contact with the ball handler. Watch a few of those games and notice how crowded the paint was and how the PG would get clawed and hammered on the way to the basket.

[@karlortiz8317]

pick stockton = reach finals

[@falegria]

This question is like comparing Charles Barkley with Horace Grant

[@kadaj187]

john stockton is the perfect point guard he never switch team !

[@Stromoney]

Paul was traded tho

[@brettsalazar1886]

What does that have to do with anything?

[@liammulgrew55]

But he never carried a team to the Finals as the best player on his team like CP3 just did yesterday

[@drizzletv3824]

I’m a firm believer in the evolution of the game making players today far better than players of the previous generation and so on. I feel from a skill standpoint CP3 is better but career wise Stockton has him beat. Of course records will stand but the position CP3 faced is far more advanced in skill than the position Stockton faced. Players today are unstoppable and can spread the floor anywhere. Stockton didn’t have the same problem, bigs didn’t shoot and zone offense was somewhat relevant still.

[@poodlesftw123]

I'm glad you finally did a video on Stockton, probably don't remember but I suggested a video idea of the pick&roll in today's game vs (possibly best) Malone and Stocktons game. Even though I'm still highly interested in the change from then to now, considering back then bigs did not shoot from distance, this a great video. Thanks coach.

[@yannikin3D]

CP3 is a better overall player but in terms of legacy I would go with Stockton for now.

[@tigerwarner]

Who’s better? Two words....John Houston Stockton.

[@chester7222]

Stockton easy. 2/3 point guard all time, but CP3 isn't top 5.

[@scorpiothegreat1]

You couldn’t carry in Stockton’s era. It was illegal.

[@Coldskin1]

Chris paul winning the chip would put him over john stockton not only that chris paul at 36/37 is way better than john stockton in his late career.

[@marknelson2570]

"Two Words. Michael Jeffery Jordan." uhhh... LOL

[@meicheljorden8886]

if stockton had a the same quality players as chris paul, we dont even could compare them but as it its stockton is better

[@Coolkid5800]

Yeah, Malone sucked

[@jhayveonnewalker1916]

Stockton had future HOFer's around him, how the fuck do you think he made it to the finals twice? They couldn't beat the bulls.

[@sidneydean.]

Well Stockton did have a much better coach

[@loganludvigson3397]

Courage The Cowardly Dog yeah and he is one of them

[@ethanh4016]

Nathan Adeleye Lmao 😂😂😂

[@froilananthony7391]

john stockton is a legend hall of famer . the greatest point guard of all time high iq ball handling skills than curry and chris paul combined

[@niegelbryant]

GREAT VIDEO!! I love these types of videos. You should create more of these past vs present sort of videos. With your knowledge, this material is a treat!

[@hayteren]

Prime Deron Williams was better than prime CP3. This one isn't a debate

[@giorgdim]

Even though I love cp3 s game, stockton is just the goat at the point guard position...

[@suntansuperman26]

Chris Paul can't even lead a team to a conference finals despite having talent around him.

[@liammulgrew55]

This aged well because CP3 just carried his team to the Finals yesterday

[@trooperjoe73]

Stockton, no debate.

[@bbqshrimpguy]

Not Even Close, John Stockton

[@yamasakihonda6425]

CP3 made a lot of crucial mistakes in the playoffs. Stockton is the best pg.

[@elijahruderman]

What mistakes? He never played bad in a series that he could've won. He got Houston up 3 - 2 in the conference finals vs GS. He played great in both series against the Thunder and the Rockets it's not his fault Matt Barnes, JJ Reddick, Austin Rivers, and Jamal Crawford couldn't make shots in the playoffs. And you realize that CP3 was the best player on his team until he go to Houston, while John Stockton was the 2nd best player on his team. If CP3 was on the Jazz in the 90's, they would've won 2 - 3 titles.

[@markspark6274]

No contest, John Stockton is the greatest point guard of all time.

[@slayy51621]

This is blasphemous I guess isiah Thomas didn’t play or magic Johnson

[@russell9411]

@@slayy51621 they b on that man nuts he not even close to top 3

[@jalenc233]

@@russell9411 magic curry john

[@Calilou52]

Stockton didnt have a selfish bone in his body on the court, and certainly wasn't driven by ego. Chris Pauls biggest issue is his ego. Stockton over Paul any day of the year

[@MelBeKing]

This video was so excellent I'd love to see more of these old vs new comparisons. Please make these a series.

[@churchservice2700]

I was a HUGE Chris Paul fan from 2007-2013 during his prime years...I personally thought watching Stockton during his prime years was not very entertaining for the fact that he really concentrated his game only on offense...but at their primes Stockton was better...Chris Paul is my favorite point guard in the modern era and I would have him running point in my fantasy starting 5