Christian Philosophers Questioned (It Didn't Go To Plan)

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[@nedal_guitarist3898]

when you read a philosophy book and you wanna use every word u ve read 😂

[@mizz15k]

Must of heard justification and some other dictionary word 100 times in 30 seconds🤣🤣🤣

[@cardejahzulkifli686]

Honestly they just go round and round in circles and fail to make a point. He veered soooo far from the starting point in trying to establish the baseline. They assume that you are stupid and use big words to try to establish a pecking order of intellect. Sadly incredibly typical when debating with them.

[@lelethumkhizwana4113]

When you have read on a subject but became dumber😂

[@aafuuu]

When he started going into private justification I was thinking how is that even remotely relevant to Hamza's initial point?

[@imposit]

😂

[@ibsimages6440]

"You're on your way to Islam" is gonna hit so different to so many people when they reach their destination in shaa Allah 😂

[@Yaaseen-Allie]

16 mins into the debate and these two missionaries are making me exhausted, brother Hamza has an unmatched level of patience.

[@Samya.R]

It reminds me or Peterson asking Hijab “what to you mean by “would”? What you do mean by “you”? What you do mean by “believe”? What you do mean by “in”? What do you mean by “Islam”? Etc etc….😂

[@zaayonytwitch]

literally guys literally on his phone looking at nothing lol

[@absolclan93]

The patience that Br. Hamza exhibits is extraordinary. The two guys were trying to act overly smart, but Br. Hamza keeps it straight. May Allah (swt) bless him even more.

[@jared2244]

" The patience the Br. Hamza exhibits is extraordinary" More patient than the extremists who beat up imam Maula Nigar to death for saying something blasphemous when he was asked to pray at a political rally in Pashewar Pakistan. This sad event occurred on 8 May 2023 according to the Associated Press

[@kM-ij2ly]

He is the most impatient person at the park lol

[@Easy_Now_Star]

​@kM-ij2ly It's true and he will tell you that himself! It reminds me of prophet Musa AS who was similar, May Allah grant him sabr.

[@kM-ij2ly]

@@Easy_Now_Star I have seen Darren in action and he is one of the most impatient men I have had the misfortune to meet

[@MThre3]

@@kM-ij2ly its probably cause u were waffling. if u gonna play silly games and faf about, hamza will tell u to go fly a kite. sincerity is the bases of all his discussions. if u dont have the decency to do that much, u will be told to fly.

[@Traveler012]

If they are honest to themselves these guys are going to be Muslims before they know it In Shaa Allah

[@cirina3]

There are people who are actually smart and can make you learn their reasoning very easily Then there are those who think they’re smart and give you a. Headache

[@dontoni8041]

What do you mean by "reasoning"?

[@AverageGamerOfficial]

​​@@dontoni8041oh here we go... Edit: don't ask me to define "go."

[@KingKhan-fv6bs]

100%

[@eseydawit4863]

Just say you cant understand English 😂

[@FELIPEGARCIA-fk6zx]

😅😅😅 GOOD ONE !!!​@@AverageGamerOfficial

[@ehmjay540]

Lol looks like the disbelievers come out at night lol 😂 … Good on Hamza for dealing with these geezers nevertheless 😂😂 Allah Akbar!!

[@Asiyah2000]

Satans roam groups in the night 😂

[@tablighjb1632]

Have two satan there.... They think they intelligent but disproof his religion...

[@Truth_Seeker1]

Christian apologists r so ignorant it’s unbelievable Bart Erhmam hasn’t been debunked on anything even Christians admit the woman and the adultery story is a forgery, he doesn’t even know Bart is a New Testament scholar and a historian of early Christianity.

[@richtee5932]

I'm a huge hamza fan but he didn't really deal with them did he.

[@Asiyah2000]

@richtee5932 he dealt and when they felt the heat they run away 🏃‍♂️ as usual 🤣

[@AverageGamerOfficial]

The one thing I have noticed about the brothers at speakers corner; their level of patience is remarkable. Something I personally need to work on.

[@MK-pt9xt]

They are very smart young guys, but the truth is the truth, and it can not be denied as logic, proof and evidence always win. No matter what theoretical theories you use its undeniable. Hamza well done for making it simple.

[@jawaadshahid]

Great conversation, those guys seemed kinda respectful, hopefully DCCI won't make them passengers of the bus 🚌. May Allah guide them. Ameen

[@jawaadshahid]

@@pevmadness5065 who are you asking to give you strength? 🤔

[@JesusIsGod613]

@@jawaadshahid both said they’ll never come to Islam. They know too much to under that Islam is a false religion.

[@jawaadshahid]

@@JesusIsGod613 says you. we have good reasons to believe otherwise. People can turn back on saying never. I said my statement out of love and hope, why are you saying yours?

[@JesusIsGod613]

@@jawaadshahid May Jesus guide you to the truth. Pray/ask and you shall receive. Have a good day.

[@jawaadshahid]

@@JesusIsGod613 I appreciate the sentiment brother but please ask the heavenly father as jesus asked in the lords prayer.

[@mslondonsuleyman]

New bred old bred it doesn’t matter when your a Muslim with knowledge plus you know how to conduct yourself, and deliver your knowledge in the right way, undeniable facts against nonsense. Thank goodness for Islam ☪️

[@Truth_Seeker1]

Christian apologists r so ignorant it’s unbelievable Bart Erhmam hasn’t been debunked on anything even Christians admit the woman and the adultery story is a forgery, he doesn’t even know Bart is a New Testament scholar and a historian of early Christianity.

[@Israel-IS-Socialism]

Their argument is no different than having the “born again virgin” ideas of having “my truths” and “your truths”🤣

[@AnthonyCoker-z4f]

Or a woman giving birth to the creator 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@RawThawReviews]

Christians: Proof is 1+1 = 2 Also Christians 1+1+1 = 1 lol

[@hezekiahosorio2666]

No!! 1x1x1= 1, read the Bible first before trying to understand the 3 divine person!!

[@iledawn9282]

@@hezekiahosorio2666 That's a heresy it's 3 different persons not the same.

[@halukercan3893]

Islam is only truth alhamdulillah.

[@DawudAhmadibnYahyaAlAmriyki]

fr fr, i hope ppl get guided

[@aranhaydar9195]

Well done brother Hamza جزاكم الله خيرا

[@kream2624]

They are making it complex to save themselves from being exposed.

[@FELIPEGARCIA-fk6zx]

Because demos of confusion works 24/7

[@SaidMohamedElmi-s8y]

BROTHER HAMZA _ THNKS FOR THE EXCELLENT JOB YOU DO SPREADING DA' WAH.😮

[@Lynwood_Jackson]

"Tell me why you think the Bible is true." "Let me give you my book report on the word 'justification'."

[@John_Doe-]

Allah is Surah 10:94, Tells you Bible is True. 😂🤣 Also Bible has a Foundation in "Love". Quran has a foundation in a Man named Muhammad. 🙊🙈 Your Book Report 👎❌ *F*📛‼

[@ahdid6105]

This Christian guy is doing a Jordan Peterson. Countering with another Jordan Peterson is genius!! 😂😂😂

[@yade5979]

​@@dedenrahman5797nobody does, dude is a hypothetical horrible human being

[@ahdid6105]

@@dedenrahman5797 No one does..

[@Throneoftruth]

It’s mind numbing how adverse to logic they are

[@M.mawaki]

When I see Mr Hamza debating I see the strength of a lion

[@JesusIsGod613]

Are you sure 😂😂😂 I don’t think we watched the same video.

[@Y_al_muahid]

I saw the guy with the Paris sweater talking to Hashem bro just said that God is mortal 🤣🤣

[@Sulaiman_Kabia_Official]

Mansur in the background had me rolling 😂😂😂 may Allah reward him

[@zeropointperspective9643]

Hamza learnt something new and he is humble enough to admit me. Much respect!

[@usmaniqbal836]

If there's one thing these certain individuals youngsters should do And that is listen, for the sake of Allah May Allah guide us all 🌍 ❤

[@Jesushas1God]

Christian "I don't believe that claim " Hamza : " Okay then give me a fith option besides Lying , Crazy , Deceived or Saying the truth" Christian "No , I don't believe that ! People can think that they say the truth but they don't " 🤦

[@jawaadshahid]

​​@@Thinking-wz4cvor delusion, depends on why they think its the truth

[@aafuuu]

Yeah but to see and feel and speak to an angel is not just being convinced of an idea, It's experiencing it. Therefore the Christian brother's point didn't fit. He was trying t say that the prophet convinced himself of something he had been claiming. But to make the claim he had seen and felt an angel goes beyond just saying "he is convinced by his own words"

[@aafuuu]

Plus the argument can easily be applied to every person in the bible too then and any person today.

[@habib1379]

He is on his way to Islam. Great conversation. I love seeing intelligent conversations especially with Christians. These young men have a journey ahead of them. InshaAllah they end it being Muslims

[@synoxhennetin]

Mansoor back there having the greatest debate 😂

[@Salman-Bin-Ahmed]

I like brother Rico, I see honesty in his eyes and soul. May Allah guide him.

[@dontoni8041]

He seems too sincere for average christian. Wait untill the pastors tell him "dont ask too many questions" 🤐

[@undercoverxyz7]

Rico would deny any proof from the Quran even though it would be clear but would blindly believe the bible as an evidence. Also he would use any arguments to justify it.

[@eseydawit4863]

@@dontoni8041 The hell does that mean?

[@dontoni8041]

@@eseydawit4863 the average christian on debates usually are not that sincere. Sincerity meaning if your hear the truth you accept it and not blind following

[@eseydawit4863]

@@dontoni8041 The same thing could be said for muslims, hindus, or atheists. You need to undertsand that most people only go to debates to "win" and not actually learn something. Thats why I prefer interviews and podcasts rather than a noisy crowd of people yelling at the same time.

[@ChaosAlpha]

Subhanallah Alhamdulillah Allah-u-akbar.

[@kream2624]

A perfect example of beating around the bush......

[@Israel-IS-Socialism]

Hamza being an ex-Christian and Scottish is what helps in this situation Because these people run off of race and nationality thinking they’re any different than Mansa Musa (the richest slave owner in history who was absolutely outside of the folds of Islam) Who inspired Europeans and others to get involved in slave markets as an “inspiration “ Women would cheat on their husbands for men who had gold and slaves How/where do you think the term “wealth” gets its representations from?

[@Joorawon.M.Yousuf]

They "think" ..... They think they look 'smart' ‼️‼️🤭🤭🤭🤭👍

[@AlsoKnownAsUzi]

I remember Mohammed hijab dicussing with rico (a ex atheist) into a theist, but sadly choose to be a christian, too bad he didnt do research about islam before accepting the christian speakers corner cult.

[@jared2244]

" too bad he didn't research about Islam" He researched it and found out the that Islam motivates people to join Isis. In fact the over 40, 000 foreigners from around the world who fled to join Isis had to first convert to Islam,

[@williamtoetoe2794]

Those guy just murky the waters to make them seem complicated but they have really no arguments if you dissect them. It's like they are trying hard not to get exposed hard.

[@primvsrex]

This is my problem with "intellectuals" start discussing meanings of words, almost like measuring who read more... but then the subject is forgotten they're unable to follow someone else's reasoning and therefore reasoning together with someone and actually reach conclusions 🤦‍♂️

[@ZeeKay1430]

Just goes to show, philosophy will not help you, rather it will sink you deeper in the quagmire.

[@FELIPEGARCIA-fk6zx]

Hamza, please come to America to uncover all these deceived prosperity christians by those devilish preachers(wolf pimps in sheep skin). Blessing to you and your family. ❤

[@AwlouzAwlouz-x1u]

أحسنت القول يا شيخ بارك الله فيك

[@yaramustafa8811]

Alhamdulillah

[@mguli25]

Prime example of sophistry and semantic nonsense

[@eliteab2771]

The short guy was debating sabour on the infinit regress , seems like he learned some.

[@Bahver812]

Salam, did they came to the Arena? When yes did someone know which episode it is? I still didn’t watch a lot from the Arena. Still new for me. I would like to see how this discussion lead to.😊

[@MrSince2009]

Amazing sound and video quality and of course best content JZKAH

[@IsaacLani-z2d]

Philosophy when used just makes you go around in circles and won't let you think straight.

[@jawaadshahid]

"Bart ehman was debunked", "really?! on what?", "I dont know on what" 🤦

[@achildofthelight4725]

And God said "let there be light" where did the light come from? A source. Is the light brighter than the source? Can light die? We are all sons of God, children of the most high, come down from the Father of lights. One ray of light from one source, and we are all in it as one light. ❤

[@Owen_39]

The most calm debate 😂

[@mustafam7431]

When they understand they are going to be cornered they play dumb😂😂

[@faresal-huri643]

extraordinary stance from Hamza, this was really interesting. Hamza is really a lion

[@SUemprorx]

Brother Hamza, we need lawyers from all the Muslim countries in millions in filing cases with strong evidence from our brilliant journalists on ground in the ICC(hague), if nothing works this is the only way to make head turns and stop the suffering which could go on for a few years. Use your islamic platform to reach out to the judges and lawyers in the many muslim countries, ask the people to protest their muslim countries to file cases as well atleast we need 10-15 countries to file to make a strong impact. I hope your platform pushes this effort, this is the only guaranteed way those responsible can suffer

[@exiledcowboy298]

For what? I don't get it, what do you want him to do?

[@jared2244]

" we need lawyers from all the,.." Speaking of lawyers, a son of a Muslim lawyer in the U.S. city of Philadelphia was arrested by the FBI for communicating with a terrorist organization in August 2023. He was only 17 years old. I advise you guys to tell Hamza to contact him after he is done defending his son. The young man was also charged with possession of WMD

[@comedyshortsinc]

@@jared2244 the US is known to fabricate charges to arrest people. They’ve done so throughout their history. They are untrustworthy people.

[@SUemprorx]

@@jared2244 you mean a terrorist org made by the many US interests in military fk ups that now hire misguided kids to commit something their religion stands against whilst boasting to be a part of the said religion. 🤔

[@SUemprorx]

@@exiledcowboy298 he's an exceptional and outstanding Islamic scholar with an intellectual audience that would be influential in making a change

[@r00kiepilot]

I think the young man Rico got it back to front. Citing Richard Feldman, Turri notes: S’s belief that p at time t is [doxastically] justified (well-founded) iff (i) believing p is justified for S at t; (ii) S believes p on the basis of evidence that supports p.

[@mthzroy5755]

I love to see these guys challenge Islam in every way so they gonna learn more and know what's true or false claim

[@Nitt.2x]

That proof and evidence brake form was probably was the craziest thing I heard today😂😂😂😂

[@raykay72]

The patience that Hamza has to have is incredible. He’s constantly dealing with human beings who work overtime trying to deceive others and themselves, using mental acrobatics to trick themselves and everyone else. They seek knowledge not to enlighten themselves and find truth and set themselves free, they seek it to convince themselves and others further about the misconceptions and misinterpretations they believe in, and convince themselves are real. They are willing to accept any confusing arguments that allow them to continue to believe in things that do not stand any test of simple factual reality. They deny simple basic reality in order to stay misinformed. Hamza stays objective because his path has been one of going from one belief to another, so he needs to rely on reality and truthful arguments. The others want to stay where they are, even if it goes against reality. They use what they think are clever ideas to defend the indefensible, they want to use knowledge to in essence argue, “if our truth isn’t THE truth, nothing else can be truth either.”

[@Nadeem146]

Which arena episode did these guys get invited to? I need to listen so if you know please let me know which episode, thanks in advance

[@adelkhemici1365]

Good luck Brother Hamza

[@ghazanvieee]

Did these guys ever made it to the arena? If so, any link?

[@terryprice1923]

Respect learning.

[@MThre3]

these boys werent ready

[@Sheriff1977]

Dawa at the time of the prophet peace be upon him was so simple that everyone understood. Todays Dawa is so philosophical and complicated the only ones who understand it are the two people arguing. But I still love brother Hamza may Allah reward him

[@asl43n5]

Cant talk to these guys bc their whole life is about philosophy whatever u say they will bring nonsensical arguments or make even a definition of a word to a huge problem which is why u will never come to an argemment with them.

[@Sheriff1977]

@@asl43n5 that’s why you bring them into our world of Dawa .don’t let them take you into theirs. Allah knows best

[@Sheriff1977]

@@Thinking-wz4cv bro , you can’t say it’s not about dawah when they using philosophy to prove or disprove religion..that’s contradictory.

[@Sheriff1977]

@@Thinking-wz4cv there is no styles in dawah ..our example is our Prophet peace be upon him and the Sahaba they were our example..but I won’t argue anymore .. salaam alikum

[@user-cp6ks2wr3rb8]

The prophet stayed 3 days with Christians to argue with them, depending on who your talking to sometimes dawah can be complicated, that's why there are different branches, and Allah even addresses the scientists in the Quran with certain signs, so best thing is to leave what you dont understand to the leaders in that field

[@bilal-zr6uy]

The mental gymnastics has taken over

[@pimchock77]

Blessed this people who tried, tried to explain the misconceptions of ISLAM and believe the truth

[@jared2244]

"..who tried to explain the misconception of ISLAM.." Misconception like the beating death of an imam on 8 May 2023 in Pakistan for saying something considered blasphemous while praying to Allah

[@natos2334]

⁠@@jared2244no, misconceptions about islam not what muslims do or do not. But in this case of yours, murder is a sin in islam and it is a misconception that it is not.

[@halalVista]

What a lion, now I understand why u called HAMZA

[@QueenAndy-f2m]

Hampstar

[@zk9961]

The patience man!!! U really are a lion masha Allah

[@josantai2691]

"There a mutant that can goes thru the wall....theres some who thinks they can go thru the wall....these are the two that bump against the wall..."

[@salaam1st]

Hey hamza I just took a philosophy class

[@asanjari]

Did the join the next Arena? Can someone give me the link of them in the arena?

[@SR_UK]

I would love to see him come to the arena

[@user-dt2jl2jx2g]

The coughing and sneezing got on the edge LOLOL

[@Nightmaroo]

they are using the contingency argument that they tried to debunk before infront on Mohammad Hijab LMAOOOOOO 😂😂😂😂

[@ameersameer8033]

HAHAHAH bruvvv!

[@adnanmahmood8398]

Mansur in the background... Keeping up the good work!

[@SwahiliSpicE]

The short guys is so annoying. He just wants to show that he knows the meaning of this term and that term. Couldn’t watch this through I’m afraid, so irritating

[@محمدبنثاني-د4م]

SHADOWS OF WARRRRR 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@ahmedratib3869]

Somebody who took logic 1 in college and is desperate to use it. Keep up the good work brothers جزاكم الله خيرا

[@A43-i7v]

P implies q . Ok I'm ready for a debate now

[@faisalibrahim2297]

Hamza, those guys are gentle and respectful. Take care of theme. Take it easy

[@Glanvoe]

I wanna hear him try and demolish the words of Paul 👀

[@Mister9j99]

He thought it was a real arena 😂😂

[@mmrox4320]

3:15 he already admitted defeat, since he knows it he agrees on what makes sense his whole book fails and so is his faith

[@ZubairAhmed-nb9kc]

The shorter person, Hamza was talking to, is insane. How can someone possibly have a decent conversation with such a person?

[@monkeypolice3048]

These guys are not dumb they just lack of understanding.

[@Akolgo_islam]

Excellent 🦁

[@tomasllewellyn3352]

Its nice to see hamza withouth the hat sometimes

[@richtee5932]

Hamza either wins or he learns. Today he learned.

[@AverageGamerOfficial]

I'm going to watch this during my lunch break, what did he learn? Trying to remove my bias before watching.

[@southpaw9041]

I'd argue there is very little to learn from this discussion. The main point they bring up is "Mohammed believed an angel came and spoke to him, but I don't believe that actually happened". Right, so then how do you explain the Quran? How do you explain the finest Arabian poetry, words, letters, figures that have never been used in the Arabic language before to be revealed from an unlettered man and those new words and letters fit perfectly within the language, producing new contextual meaning and grammatical constructs - In a time where the finest poets and writers called him a magician for somehow coming up with this 'poetry'. How would you explain the long line of predictions that came true? If it truly was the case that there was no divine intervention, then prophet Muhammad would have made many mistakes, contradictions and errors in his predictions. So which one was it? Was he crazy? Was he lying? Without Science how do you know that the middle east was once full of greenery and lush forests, and that in the future the desert will once again become green? There is abundant proof of this occurring now On its own the claim "someone can truly believe the claim they are making but that does not mean the claim has any truth" is right on its own, but when you look at the wider context (Quran, prophecies and predictions, prophets lifestyle) it is painfully apparent that no human could have ever contributed to the world in this way, without intentional divine intervention.

[@alanredversangel]

I think the real winners this evening were the viruses everyone was coughing up. Truly an evolutionary marvel.

[@shuaybgallo_abufadwa]

How come there are so many multiple of evangelists frequenting the Park

[@tylerbird606]

My question is how can Islam prove that Muhammad is indeed a prophet from Allah (God)? And if Isa is al-Masīḥ, bringing the Injil… would not the revelation of The Tawrat and later the Injil be the standard if the Qur'an was contradictory to the earlier revelations of Allah?

[@Abu.Isa25]

You can look up on KZbin for your first question. But what do you mean with your second I couldn‘t get a word.

[@Abu.Isa25]

@@tylerbird606 no to your first statement. There is no proof for your 99% accuracy and you know its absolutely not matching with the manuscripts. There are no errors in the Quran rather the Quran corrects the mistakes in the Torah and Bible, this is really easy to proof. There are no „original“ texts, the text we have today is the original and the other versions were burned cause they weren’t the original. Look up a video how the quran was preserved and the proof that its the original text and why they burned the other copies.

[@tylerbird606]

@@Abu.Isa25 I have to strongly disagree, you can look at secular historical records and see the New Testament documents are in 99% agreement with one another. Please show me any other documents or writings that can say that spanning hundreds of years and with the extant evidence of over 25,000 manuscripts… you can’t. Nothing else like it out there… the Bible- one of the most amazing Miracles of God.

[@tylerbird606]

@@Abu.Isa25 These discussions are often circular and don’t accomplish much. I do seek to learn and appreciate solid dialogue. Bottom line, Christians and Muslims will always disagree if they are solid in their beliefs and faith. Interestingly, I heard a Muslim scholar state that if it weren’t for the Trinity he would be a Christian. Tawhid is not in the Quran… the concept is there, but not the actual wording of theological term. Same as the Trinity, not mentioned in the Bible, but implicitly present in both Testaments. My thoughts would be concerning the back and forth of Islam and Christianity, that is the discussion to be really wrestle with.

[@Abu.Isa25]

@@tylerbird606 I will actually later today in sha Allah look into sending you some proofs. But generally speaking about your second comment, Im actually wondering if you have ever read the Quran by chance. Because saying that Tauhid isn‘t described fully in the Quran and that there is just a concept of it or its just like a mere evidence of tauhid you will be absolutely shocked to see differently.

[@us.nyc.10011]

2 chapters of philosophy to cast doubt in any proof of corruption IS not proof

[@jadhajali2804]

He's still wearing a mask... That's all I need to know 😆

[@yasir889]

Rico seems like a sensible guy.

[@humancapybaras1301]

Hamza looking handsome lately

[@Lucky-to7ly]

These man were waffling 😂😂😂 they didnt understand what they were saying themselves

[@jimmoore9490]

Sudarium of Oviedo, Shroud of Turin, WAXS

[@ameersameer8033]

5:59 when Christians see the light of true heaven nah.. bro too bright

[@MarkJones-fw3mo]

I've never understood why people even talk to these people.

[@spectreofwar9850]

I don't know how he does it, they're obviously trying to avoid his points by dancing around words. They're using fancy words to distract from the fact that they're not answering basic questions, and can't grasp basic concepts.

[@shairp5025]

The shorter of the two Gentleman in this debate is very good. No winner and no loser, just a group of people with a very good intelligent perspective of the topic of debate. Well done to all.

[@ScytheJackal]

Can you debate Good Fight Ministries?

[@synoxhennetin]

I remember Rico in a debate with saboor back when he was atheist , he have changed to much , o allah guide him and make him a great schoolar

[@TheAbbu08]

MaashaAllaha

[@Sir.T]

The guy with the face mask acts too confident but in reality doesn't know hardly anything 😂 just waffles.

[@hasahm1995]

They day they will meet Jake , they will be roasted probably