"chromeOS is not a linux"

[@qlunc]

technically if you use chrome os you use gentoo linux

[@TheFellerHasAChannelGodDamnIt]

"I use Gentoo... What do you mean? It came pre-installed..."

[@kxvx]

I mean... yeah... however ChromeOS has actually strayed away (a lot) from Gentoo and the only true resemblance is how ChromeOS is a Linux distro and how you can install portage on ChromeOS.

[@valetudan234]

Not based on gentoo anymore, uses a custom linux kernel and Zephyr os as its base with a modified version of portage

[@Thenewbieguy]

@@kxvx then how does it run android, I thought chrome os is a arm type

[@rnybadbro]

@@Thenewbieguy you can use android on x86 too. some apps require arm translation tho

[@ikarkiel6305]

bro even android is linux based, ppl are trippin

[@ThrowawayAccountToComment]

I saw someone say using Sober to play roblox on linux wasn't to do with linux

[@trustytrojan]

​@@ThrowawayAccountToComment unfortunately ppl will continue to be dumb, just have to live with it

[@sakurako-omuroo]

And? It's just the kernel (an old one, with tons of android patches), it's not the usual Linux distro

[@trustytrojan]

@@sakurako-omuroo what? nobody in this thread said it was a linux distro, just that it is linux based

[@sakurako-omuroo]

@@trustytrojan K

[@theoriginalneckbeard]

Everything that is built upon a Linux kernel is a Linux system and in case of a desktop OS a distribution of it. Why would anyone try to debate this?

[@kamiz0]

while technically correct this definition sucks because it does not differentiate between ChromeOS and distros like Ubuntu, Fedora etc which have different userspace (can run native Linux binaries without containers) and philosophy (open-source, privacy respecting). ChromiumOS is open-source but entirely controlled by Google

[@JivanPal]

@@kamiz0 Both ChromiumOS and ChromeOS can run ELF binaries natively. All you need to do is run `shell` inside Crosh as shown in this video.

[@kxvx]

@@kamiz0 the fastfetch shown in the video was compiled against *normal* Linux with GCC. So yeah ChromeOS can run Linux binaries natively

[@imeakdo7]

Because it is not gnu Linux unlike ubuntu and fedora

[@JivanPal]

@@imeakdo7 Yes it is, it comes with the standard GNU suite.

[@smiff_2540]

technically linux but missing all the things that make linux great

[@realtitedog]

Plus its a Google product so even worse

[@Ne-vc5pm]

Missing all the things that make linux great and adds a lot of things that make linux good

[@smiff_2540]

@@Ne-vc5pm What does it add that makes linux good?

[@Ne-vc5pm]

@@smiff_2540 exterminating the need for a terminal

[@smiff_2540]

@@Ne-vc5pm the terminal is the heart of linux dude

[@mnikpro]

if this is Linux, then android is too

[@bagel255]

I mean, it is.

[@joaoguilherme8083]

Correct

[@kxvx]

I consider Android to be a Linux distro too yes.

[@ogdan1173]

​@@kxvxYeah, but is modified which means the only linux part is the only kernel.

[@snowflake4070]

@@ogdan1173 Linux itself is quite literally only a kernel. You need a userspace on top of it to interact with the kernel

[@joaoguilherme8083]

>Intel N100 This is such a Chromebook moment. Tbf that reddit comment said the ChromeOS is not a Linux distro, while ChromeOS has a Linux kernel it isn't a Distro like Ubuntu, Fedora, Arch and etc... because you can't download it in a USB and install in your computer like other Linux distro, however that does make ChromeOS flex a Linux distro but Chrome OS flex is not the same as regular Chrome OS.

[@kxvx]

It has the Linux kernel and has Linux tools such as the bash shell, gcc, or git, and can run any Linux program NATIVELY!!! such as fastfetch or micro, and it has an optional package manager (you have to run "sudo dev_install" in vt2 while logged out) with third party package managers such as chromebrew existing. Plus ChromeOS can easily be ran on different hardware considering your device can run Brunch Framework, and ChromeOS Flex is only compiled to work on more hardware (without ArcVM) and ChromiumOS exists too. I see no reason for ChromeOS to not be considered a real Linux distro.

[@shisones]

It's technically a fork of gentoo, so it is a linux distro. gnu coreutils, check standard linux kernel, check

[@imeakdo7]

​​​@@kxvxthey mean, it's not a gnu/Linux OS, but it is a Linux OS

[@imeakdo7]

​​​​​​@@shisones developer mode in ChromeOS is separate from the rest of the system, so gnu coreutils can not used by the system until developer mode is turned on, so by default it doesn't use any gnu stuff

[@kxvx]

@@imeakdo7 things such as the /opt/google/chrome/chrome executable still would rely on the gnu stuff, such as glibc, since chrome and especially chromeOS is built on C, and (i have to recheck) but the software that runs arcvm (android vm) and crostini (debian vm) is also built on glibc, so technically while you are somewhat right, it's still using the gnu stuff

[@MrFrog222]

ChromeOS is Gentoo but purposefully built to be locked down and run Googles software.

[@CXCubeHD]

Did not know ChromeOS uses Wayland, I thought it was their own

[@kxvx]

@@CXCubeHD it's still a weird DE whatsoever that only works on ChromiumOS and requires Sommiler to run normal GUI Linux programs and it runs in frecon lol

[@ggsap]

why would they make their own graphics protocol are you dumb or stupid

[@2k_sevyumt]

@@kxvx wayland is not a de, its a display server and it works on normal linux distros and perfectly works fine with gui linux programs. the wm is chrome (wayland) cuz its using a chromeos wm version that uses wayland since chromeos books use wayland too

[@kxvx]

@@2k_sevyumt when i said DE, i was talking about the DE that chromeOS uses, which is built in with the entirety of chrome and all graphics (/opt/google/chrome/chrome), is weird example: the DE runs inside of frecon and all and is not built with the native linux environment in mind

[@2k_sevyumt]

@@kxvx k

[@suppervillain]

the fact that you didnt even need to edit this down to make your point, is beyond incredible

[@montavi]

That means Android is a linux distro too

[@Redwan777]

Linux based OS*

[@shortclips-based]

It is

[@solidnywonsz]

​@@Redwan777yeah, that's what a distro is

[@Redwan777]

@@solidnywonsz Android is anything but a distro

[@06NinjaKid06]

it is! you don't want to see the boot screen of linux when it breaks...

[@zyxnelmao]

“I was just joking” final last words.

[@__Merchant]

ChromeOS may be Linux, but it will likely smell of privacy issues.

[@ayedraco4l]

isnt ChromeOS just a immutable GNU/Linux distro but proprietary

[@kxvx]

yes

[@cupofdirtfordinner]

bro has monkeytype pinned💀

[@ServerGhost-d8p]

linux is when fastfetch

[@yeabccourvy6595]

ex dee

[@pewpewxdx12]

.... So windows is Linux???

[@ServerGhost-d8p]

@@pewpewxdx12 yes windows is a part of linux mainframe but they have gone rogue and god has foresaken them

[@kxvx]

@@pewpewxdx12 windows is a linux distro yes, NT stands for New TLinux

[@DaDogeDev]

@@kxvx please tell me you are sarticastic

[@slasshythere]

bro came, bro cooked. bro went

[@sleepntsheep1169]

whats the :3 in bookmark bar

[@kxvx]

@@sleepntsheep1169 kkilo.me

[@06NinjaKid06]

idk why, but it looks familiar to me... i have no idea though

[@pawxed]

i cant believe someone actually said that

[@R080TPLAYZ]

even flatpack (linuxpackage manager) says that its a linux distro in the installation guide

[@vladislavkaras491]

Huh... Did not know it would be easy to prove that ChromeOS is a Linux distro. Thanks!

[@derpythecate6842]

I'll say if Alpine and OpenWRT (using musl and Busybox userspace) counts as a Linux distro, then ChromeOS and Android are Linux distros too, just with different userspace libraries and interfaces. Anything that runs the Linux kernel is fundamentally Linux, no one mentioned anything about it having to have a GNU userland to be considered one.

[@wafelranger7497]

linux kernel does not mean that your os is a distribution of the typical GNU operating system, where linux is just the kernel and a lot of userland utilities are licensed under the gpl licensing or other non-propietary licensing methods

[@wrenchproductions]

Only the kernel

[@syudagye2837]

Some people have a very limited view on what a linux distribution can be

[@FluffeonWolfie]

Because they're indoctrinated by the FSF/GNU

[@WasIstSarnic]

kernel 5.15 is crazy lol

[@kxvx]

the RMA shim for octopus chromebooks runs the linux 4.14 kernel, and not too long ago chromeOS for octopus was also using linux 4.14 😭

[@WasIstSarnic]

@@kxvx oh my god i remember using 4.15’s beta at 2017-2018 💀

[@fe1ai_0]

Gentoo Linux fork is not a Linux distro... Guys, it sounds funny a little

[@lutfiarahman5121]

ChromeOS is half linux, half android

[@adnangamer3749]

Btw android is also linux coz it has live boot, idk I forgot and some other linux only stuff Oh yeah it uses the same file system as linux lol

[@derpythecate6842]

Nope, most GNU/Linux distros follow something called the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. Android contains some non-standard and/or locked down partitions that don't appear in the FHS, such as /system and /data. It is running the Linux kernel, with a different userland, and a JVM running on top for sandboxed applications. You can try this by going and downloading termux and checking the root dirs. Its different. One of the ways you can try to fake a standard FHS filesystem is using proot (if not rooted) or chroot (if rooted) which bind mounts or fakes the filesystem if needed. I did this when I was programming on a tablet to ensure some of the GNU/Linux software I used ran correctly.

[@Unenroll]

anyone who says chromeOS isn't Linux do not know what they are talking about and believe iOS is the best mobile OS

[@wabbajocky8235]

bro made this video because of a reddit comment from 7 years ago

[@VolpeJosesk]

It's not a conventional Linux distro, which means it doesn't gives user the freedom a normal Linux distribution gives (i.e. low-level customization). But it doesn't means it isn't a Linux distribution, it don't need to give user freedom to be a Linux distribution, it's a Linux distro because it uses the Linux kernel, it just doesn't fits the same philosophy.

[@nsg650]

Funnily ChromeOS is closer to Android than it is to common Linux Distros

[@Fouss_8]

Bro is getting a whole KZbin video 😂

[@grigmax]

its a gentoo

[@cpucat]

ChromeOS might be Linux, but I wish it wasn't so that I could give people a better example of everyday linuxes

[@kxvx]

just show them something like ultramarine linux or linux mint

[@cpucat]

@@kxvx I meant stuff they would be familiar with, everyone knows what a Chromebook is lol

[@matytoonist]

tell em about android :3

[@imeakdo7]

You mean, you want to show people gnu/Linux not just Linux so that you can exclude ChromeOS since it doesn't use gnu coreutils by default

[@06NinjaKid06]

@@imeakdo7 literally 5 comments up: @kxvx 1 month ago how is it not gnu? it has coreutils and all, fastfetch in the video was compiled for glibc Linux with GCC and it worked fine on chromeOS?

[@guestc142]

If its polished, the linux fandom will hate it.

[@quifix2506]

*With the lag*

[@skewyangel]

No one with basic computer knowledge says that ChromeOS isn't Linux. Don't ever listen to redditors.

[@btagp7042]

As a Gentoo user, I would rather use a mac or windows system than chrome os.

[@tacokoneko]

did you know if you download and compile chromiumos from source the emerge command literally does work and USE flags literally work. the biggest difference is that with normal gentoo, the packages are merged directly into your running rootfs, but in chromiumos by default the packages are installed into a target image and then you can deploy the target image

[@SaLaT_2288]

Using chrome os? Great, i love chrome os.

[@mbk0mbk]

May be you mean not GNU/Linux or freedom Linux ??

[@Lilly_PK]

though i dont get why people say the ps4 os is based on linux. its based on bsd and sony has indirectly contributed to the bsd community. like yeah the ps4 _can_ run linux but so can a risk-v processor

[@nikkehtine]

reddit truly is the domain of the smartest minds known to man

[@yuri.detirei]

your tv is powered by linux

[@kxvx]

my TV is non-existent

[@06NinjaKid06]

my tv is just a bunch of HDMI ports, a remote, & brightness settings.

[@exodow]

yea its linux but its not gnu/linux "most ppl reffer to gnu/linux as linux"

[@kxvx]

how is it not gnu? it has coreutils and all, fastfetch in the video was compiled for glibc Linux with GCC and it worked fine on chromeOS?

[@imeakdo7]

​@@kxvxgnu coreutils is not usable on chromeos by default, after all you had to enable developer mode on chromeos to use gnu coreutils on chromeos

[@wrenchproductions]

@@kxvx Cuz is not freesoftware (free from freedom -richard stallman)

[@SXZ-dev]

@@wrenchproductions Non-free doesn't mean it's not based on Linux and GNU's utils

[@wrenchproductions]

@@SXZ-dev It doesn't have the GNU/GPL Licence, So you can not distribute and modify or sometimes watch the entire code, it is not fully GNU, just a bad imitation with limitations

[@haydarjohn]

let`s say it is not GNU/Linux. Linux is just a kernel not an operating system.

[@freedomgoddess]

the btfo heard around the world

[@Powerstone-ud7kx]

chrome os is basicly android and android is based on linux with linux kernel

[@mathew2214]

x64 chromebook? is it possible to learn such a power?

[@kxvx]

most chromebooks are x86-64 actually! only chromebook boards ive seen that are arm are hana, corsola, veyron, and gru

[@robotequine]

linux isn't an operating system

[@kxvx]

Linux is often referred to as an OS with the Linux kernel. You always see Arch Linux or Ultramarine Linux instead of Arch GNU/Linux, however you are still correct.

[@snowflake4070]

I'd say it is, since on operating system is just the piece of software that interacts with the hardware and distributes and manages hardware resources between userspace programs.

[@JivanPal]

@@kxvx "Arch Linux" and "Ultramarine Linux" are just names, brands, not descriptors; just like "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" is nothing but a name, a brand, and an intentionally misleading one at that. Anyone who refers to the likes of Debian as "Debian Linux" is just using the wrong name for it.

[@kxvx]

@@JivanPal this doesn't change how literally most people except the peak nerds call it a Linux when referring to an OS with the Linux kernel

[@JivanPal]

@@kxvx Sure, and I do the same. I just think your point of saying, "it's 'Arch Linux', not 'Arch GNU/Linux'" is completely irrelevant.

[@Qylie1]

i use arch btw

[@greg_pizzatower]

same i use arch btw

[@unicod3r]

they meant gnu/linux

[@bomberfish77]

aw hell naw not you

[@Fuzzypro11]

ik chromeos is linux based, but are they devloping chrome os to be good for gaming?

[@StrikeGamingOffical]

Actually Chrome using WM Wayland like a Debian/Ubuntu.

[@victorminuzzo9219]

Well... Android use the linux kernel.

[@gx1tar1er]

Does ChromeOS use GNU? Android only uses the Linux kernel but no GNU components. Both are still Linux distro.

[@kxvx]

chromeOS does have gnu software such as glibc and coreutils

[@imeakdo7]

​@@kxvxonly after you enable developer mode. Not by default

[@kxvx]

@@imeakdo7 it's present in verified mode just you can't access it

[@gamersunite9026]

isnt it common knowledge that chromeos is gentoo based...

[@PgNUTS]

Then why can’t I install Linux apps?!

[@kxvx]

developer mode lets you run linux programs natively, and crostini (aka linux beta) lets you run them in a debian vm

[@i1xb0]

kilo get out of my youtube recommended

[@depralexcrimson]

It's not linux, it uses linux kernel but you have 0 freedom, you can't run or install anything and is by far the worst OS I've used in my life time, feels infinitely worse than macOS and even windows has more customizability/freedom on what you can do with your OS.

[@nostalgia5031]

why are you in my front page kilo

[@kxvx]

@@nostalgia5031 why are you in my comments nostril

[@nostalgia5031]

@@kxvx because you're in my front page kilo

[@kxvx]

​@@nostalgia5031why am I in your front page nostril

[@nostalgia5031]

@@kxvx ask the people in charge of the KZbin algorithm Kilo

[@darthmortem585]

a linux "distro" just refers to something that follows GNU/Linux as their base of operation. ChromeOS and Android sway quiteee a bit from the GNU philosophy. This is my opinion anyways.

[@definitlynotbenlente7671]

Remember when chrome is was vased on debian?

[@kxvx]

I don't think chromeOS (not to be confused with ChromiumOS) was public when it was Ubuntu* based. chromeOS was never debian based whatsoever, but crostini/Linux dev environment VM uses debian 12 as it's default distro

[@sneikychannel8876]

16 FPS 😢

[@kxvx]

chromeOS screen recorder

[@fsafdshiuasdh]

what is the theme u used for google chrome, also how do u get it on reddit?

[@kxvx]

@@fsafdshiuasdh github.com/catppuccin/chrome and github.com/catppuccin/userstyles

[@yutaka2329]

I have the same specs

[@MIGUELPEREZVALVERDE-j1w]

that peoble dont know that ChromeOS is Linux are the most cappers off all time

[@kxvx]

or just misinformed

[@06NinjaKid06]

literally one of the first settings i found on my school Chromebook (sadly couldn't enable it) was enable linux.

[@kxvx]

@@06NinjaKid06 that’s a VM of debian linux, the actual linux (chromeos) can’t be really accessed on a school device without unenrollment and developer mode

[@xSamsung7]

smol ram :(

[@kxvx]

school chromebook

[@TheVinci8345]

This is like saying Android is not Linux lmao

[@FluffeonWolfie]

The only reason people say that it isn't Linux is because they're incredibly indoctrinated by the FSF, that is.. if muh coreutils are not in the thing, it not Linux. That being said, it still isnt a good Linux distro.

[@hallrules]

haiii toaster :3

[@SRX03]

And 5 upvote???

[@bernardogualberto2807]

Really it's so funny, to acctually peoples Linux IS only the most famous distributions

[@miikart]

Get Out Of my Recommended

[@SSG_Productions]

Wait are you kilo?

[@kxvx]

maybe

[@genericgamingyoutuber]

it may be a linux distro but the worst linux distro...

[@bhonemyintmyatzaw-riz9535]

macOS is Linux based, android is Linux based, nearly everything is Linux based

[@bhonemyintmyatzaw-riz9535]

Also iOS is macOS based so it’s technically linux

[@pewpewxdx12]

​@bhonemyintmyatzaw-riz9535 Well as a Linux fan , Linux and Darwin are Unix inspired systems

[@perfect-death4284]

MacOS in unix based, not linux.

[@Eren_Yeager_is_the_GOAT]

macOS is not even slightly Linux-based. it's based on darwin which was made by combining parts of other operating systems such as FreeBSD, OpenBSD, the mach microkernel and more but they didn't use a single line of Linux code. the majority of the OS-world follows the UNIX principles yes but Linux specifically is not as big as you seem to think (still really god damn big though)

[@kxvx]

macOS is not linux, and neither is iOS. macOS, iOS, and basically every apple OS ever uses darwin, and darwin more of a BSD than anything (is just easier to say it’s unix based)

[@agoogleuser2507]

If Linux users want to use the term "Everything uses Linux" they can't pick and choose what is and isn't considered Linux 💀

[@氷語]

What you mean is Linux+GNU. Linux is a kernel. Your DE is a framework that runs on Linux. Same for androd, same for chrome OS.

[@ggsap]

it's not a framework, do you even know what that word means? it's simply a process that interacts with either wayland or x11

[@kxvx]

when i say "chromeOS is a linux", the linux in that sentence refers to a linux distro, which means it's an operating system that uses linux as the kernel

[@nicosoftnt]

Good one

[@RyderUwU]

Nice

[@sveps8883]

ChromeOS is the only distro worse than Manjaro /hj But seriously ChromeOS fucking sucks. Manjaro isn't that bad if you think about it.

[@kxvx]

@@sveps8883 Ubuntu is worse than Manjaro, Manjaro is a distro that can break if you use the AUR since Manjaro holds packages back, while Ubuntu is by Canonically Stupid and sh8ps with Snap

[@sveps8883]

@@kxvx I said that Manjaro isn't actually that bad. Sure, you can't use the AUR and it is pointless when you can just use Arch instead. And i agree Ubuntu is the worst distro at the moment, tho it used to be great long ago.

[@codelif]

its a linux distribution but not a gnu/linux distribution

[@kxvx]

it has glibc and coreutils, like i can compile something with GCC, so what?

[@anieziisandezzlas]

Yes, ChromeOS is Linux, but what most people mean by "Linux" is GNU/Linux, which ChromeOS (and Android) is not.

[@teksek77]

crazy

[@imeakdo7]

It's not gnu linux but it is linux

[@coder436]

It's not GNU/Linux tho

[@ayedraco4l]

Thats also wrong Because it quite literally is GNU/Linux; with glibc and coreutils, and more

[@imeakdo7]

​@@ayedraco4lnot by default

[@ayedraco4l]

@@imeakdo7 just because it's not by default doesn't invalidate it being gnu/linux tho

[@Qylie1]

i think you doxxed urself

[@sveps8883]

They didn't. I checked the whole video. No. Vulnerable data on the fastfetch nor anywhere else.

[@nxx99]

ip

[@kxvx]

@@Qylie1 local IP doesn't dox anyone, you can't do anything with local IP except maybe figure out what router I use

[@Qylie1]

@@kxvx ok my bad i dont know much about ddosing

[@Wokx]

spreading more false information once again like what do you get out of lying?

[@joewell6435]

You can even run flatpaks nowadays...

[@kxvx]

@@joewell6435 flatpaks on chromeOS sounds painful (I am a true flatpak hater)

[@oha_der_erste9353]

@@kxvx what exactly is wrong with flatpaks?

[@kxvx]

@@oha_der_erste9353 flatpaks are containerized so they are storage heavy since they're containerized they even make duplicate dependencies lol

[@06NinjaKid06]

@@kxvx no wonder im running out of space on my switch, half those packages are flatpaks!

[@kxvx]

@@06NinjaKid06 this is why i prefer using native packages like RPMs or DEBs

[@sys_key3287]

ChromeOS is linux, bc linux is just the kernel, same way that android is also linux, they can be also called linux distros bc they depend on the linux kernel

[@user-uo8ny1kj4c]

still sucks btw, even if its a distro.

[@kxvx]

yeah no doubt

[@kon3680]

fax still trash

[@Kerojey]

Who cares, linux is garbage

[@codeking4585]

Except windows everythin is linux

[@miaisnotmortyick]

or unix based idk

[@WindowsAPI]

Linix=fork BSD)

[@kxvx]

a google search could've prevented this comment. google "is linux based on bsd" and you find "Linux distributions that attempt to imitate the design of BSD, but do not use the code base of any BSD Operating System"

[@PaulleNCS]

who even said that ChromeOS wasn't linux in first place

[@athkon]

The man spent most of the video showing people disagreeing about that very topic.

[@PaulleNCS]

@@athkon those are idiots, they should be taken seriously

[@kxvx]

"they ***should*** be taken seriously"???? Lol jokes aside yeah I believe that 100% they should relook at ChromeOS and use ChromeOS outside of the Android VM and Chrome browser edit: the comment this was responding to was deleted

[@ogdan1173]

ChromeOS is like an Android. An enslaved linux kernel on Google hardware. Chrome OS is partially based on Debian (not an useful distro, but stable).

[@kalu7721]

bro every linux distribution has the same kernel how can one be more useful than the others 💀

[@timbambantiki]

debian is useful, and chromeos is based on gentoo

[@kxvx]

@@timbambantiki he was calling chromeOS useless, and chromeOS shows no resemblance to Gentoo anymore other than the optional portage package manager

[@someone01233]

​@@timbambantiki it's based on debian now

[@06NinjaKid06]

@@kalu7721 they come with different packages installed, different package managers, different resource intensity, and a lot of stuff that can either lock down the system, or make it more freeing. not every linux distro is the same.

[@EugeniaLoli]

It's Linux-kernel-based, but not a Linux-desktop/server distribution. For ChromeOS to achieve the same thing as other distros do, it has to run Debian on a VM ("crostini"), rather than be able to run X11 apps directly. So don't confuse Linux as in kernel, and Linux as in desktop. The word Linux has become synonymous with both kernel and desktop, but they're not the same. Same deal for Android: it uses the linux kernel, but it's not a linux distribution.

[@SXZ-dev]

It's silly to bundle the Desktop Environments into just the term "Linux" they're separate pieces of the software that the Linux Foundation does not develop, if it runs on the Linux Kernel it's Linux, regardless of whether it runs X11 or not. I understand the point people are trying to make, it's not a typical distro the way you'd expect, but it's still Linux, heavily modified but it's still built with GNU's utils, it's still running Wayland, it's still running the Linux Kernel, it's just been modified to make it nonfree and crap

[@EugeniaLoli]

​@@SXZ-dev Yes, you are correct. But other people don't care. They like to call BOTH the kernel and the environment, Linux. That's what they want to do, and we can't change them. Just like Gnu/linux never really stack out. Because people preferred the simplistic "linux" word solution to everything. Everything else, is semantics. So to them, chromeos/android are not linux, because they have their own ecosystem. They're just "linux-based". Just like FreeBSD is not SVR4 Unix, even if parts of BSD are part of SVR4, and even if FreeBSD is unix genealogy-wise, while only SVR*-compliant OSes had the right to be called unix. It's all semantics at the end.