Chrysler Valiant S Series - Chrysler’s One Two Punch on Ford and Holden.

[@markbehr88]

Here is Part 2 of the Chrysler Australia history on the Valiant. In this episode we look at the S Series. If you haven’t already, check put Part 1 - the R Series. If you like the channel please help out in a big way by giving a 👍Like👍 and Subscribe. There is also Super Thanks. Thanks for watching. 👍

[@mikldude9376]

Hi Mark , just wondering mate , any idea did these old Val’s have a three speed auto . The old EJ Holders had the horrible 2 speed auto Hydramatic I think ? I got a feeling the early falcons also had a two speed auto ? I had an AP5 , that was a 3 speed automatic. I love all these old cars , simple , easy to maintain , everything was built to be fixable if need be , unlike today’s complex throw away plastic fantastics 😂.

[@volvor730]

@@mikldude9376 Chrysler used there own Torqueflite 3 speed auto, the best trans at the time. Wonderful smooth shifts. Holden used [ Slushmatic] Hydramatic 3 speed with a weird gate where reverse was all the way down. Nearly backed an EH into a wall thinking I was selecting 1st. Fords Fordomatic was a 2 speed until the introduction of the Cruisamatic 3 speed in the XP.

[@markbehr88]

@@mikldude9376 Yes, three speed auto in the Valiants then (R and S series). Very good gearbox and much better than Ford or Holden at that time. 👍

[@markbehr88]

@@volvor730 Correct. 👍

[@Eric-kn4yn]

How did S series compare with price to falcon holden.

[@Wdeane1957]

The S series is the best looking car that was around in the 1960s. One of our neighbours had one and it was the envy of the local dads who drove Morris Minors, EK Holdens and Standard Vanguards.

[@markbehr88]

@@Wdeane1957 I am it was amongst that group. 👍

[@michaelbyrnes7944]

Love this aussie history and how you tell so well like one of the blokes who worked for these car companies this should be shown in schools in history class for year 7 students.. I remember my pop and father saying they liked the RN S series valiant and that they had a bullet proof driveline they were always a eye catching car for me as a kid

[@markbehr88]

@@michaelbyrnes7944 Thanks very much. 👍

[@1BIGFROGGY]

Liked the R and the S series style - ala bat mobile! 🦇They were built like tanks!

[@markbehr88]

@@1BIGFROGGY Yes, pretty cool and unique. 👍

[@007JHS]

I ALWAYS liked the S and R series Valiants... They had a style and panache that subsequent Valiants lacked...

[@markbehr88]

@@007JHS I liked them all really. 👍

[@fentonpeter1582]

Thank goodness both Chrysler(Valiant) and Ford (Falcon) offered these two vehicles and woke up GMH out of their 12 year slumber !!! Now before anyone gets upset I am not knocking the FB & EK but when you see the styling very similar to a 1955 Chevrolet you can see that GMH was not overly concerned about any serious competition with the possible exception of the Ford Zephyr. Throw in things like ball joint suspension,145 hp, alternator, torque flite auto, reversing lights and it even made the new good looking EJ very basic in comparison.

[@markbehr88]

@@fentonpeter1582 Yes. Competition improves the breed. 👍

[@jamesfrench7299]

The EK did not belong in the 60s at all.

[@markbehr88]

@@jamesfrench7299 No, more like 1957

[@jamesfrench7299]

@@markbehr88 lol yep.

[@keithammleter3824]

The Holden mimicking the styling of the earlier Chevys was deliberate. Back then the men in the household chose what car to buy, and they were influenced by browsing old men's magazines in hairdresser's shops and elsewhere that were printed in the USA and thus carried adverts for Chevrolet. My father was typical of his generation - served in the Australian Army in World War 2 and was exposed to British vehicles and then US-made vehicles. The US-made vehicles were far more reliable, more pleasant to drive, and much more easy to service and fix. My father was allocated an army staff car when stationed in Japan after the surrender. It was just a very basic Chevy painted poo-brown. It made quite an impression on him. Back in Australia and the Holden 48-215 came out, from that point on, Dad would not consider anything other than a Holden no matter how modern the other brands were. Much to Mother's disgust.

[@jasoncarpp7742]

G'day Mark. Another awesome video. I've heard of the Chrysler S series Valiant. It looks like our Plymouth Valiant here in the USA. 🙂

[@markbehr88]

@@jasoncarpp7742 Thanks. Yes, it is basically an American Valiant made here. 👍

[@trueaussie9230]

The reason for the 'similarity' is clearly explained in the video. None of the 'Aussie Big Three' had truly independant Aussie styling.

[@markbehr88]

@@trueaussie9230 They were, for the most part, heavily US influenced. 👍

[@anthonytallarida4192]

Thanks for that. I can't wait for the AP5 one

[@markbehr88]

@@anthonytallarida4192 Thanks very much. 👍

[@smiddysmidton8313]

This reminds me how much i love the 62 Phoenix , i'll buy one of those in original condition one day. Mark, a good series in the future might be the unique Aussie adaptations like the Phoenix , the aussie galaxies and local Chev belairs etc . There was a lot of aussie ingenuity and ad hoc in these cars to make them RHD on shoestring budgets like Plymouth and valiant dashes in the Dodges and Lincoln dashes in the galaxies .A good story i heard was Ford used to weld a second RHD firewall onto the local Galaxies over the original ones making the cars very quiet for the day because they had unintentionally invented one of the worlds first laminated firewalls! Ford even sold a few RHD mustangs i believe .

[@markbehr88]

@@smiddysmidton8313 Thanks. Yes, I will eventually do those. And yes, Ford did do a batch of the first Mustangs too. 👍

[@PhillipMurrayChester-sg9uj]

Love your attention to detail and history Mark. I imagine exciting times, initially the R &S series made the EK Holden look like a relic. Fashion changes so quickly. Still love the singularly extravagant styling for an everyday car.

[@markbehr88]

@@PhillipMurrayChester-sg9uj Thanks very much. Yes. Space age styling out of this world. 👍

[@chrisgreen3100]

@@markbehr88 virgil exner

[@markbehr88]

@@chrisgreen3100 Yes and unfortunately for Virgil, he was about to be replaced with Elwood Engel. 🤔🤔

[@epytaffskitchenstink]

I had this car, I bought it from a friend for $40 back in 1973 in central Canada, he sold it cause he thought it was going to die. He had it for 2 years and he also bought it from a friend in high school cause he too thought it was going to die. I sold it for $45 a year after I bought it and it was running like new. They made cars that lasted back then. Wished I had that car today, girls loved that car. Those were the days. Thanks for posting, sadly I never took a picture of me with the car. Shame. Incidentally, the rust problem was all around the headlights, which mine suffered from, which is why I sold it instead of fixing it. Thanks for posting.

[@markbehr88]

What a bargain! Glad you enjoyed the episode and it brought back fond memories. Please check out the R Series Valiant episode and consider subscribing. 👍

[@nkelly.9]

Another excellent installment. Most enjoyable. Great cars, blew the competition in to the weeds with power and handling. Blew them in to the weeds with tougher running gear. Very handsome cars too, dare I say, cool as well. What a treat, thank you Mark.

[@markbehr88]

@@nkelly.9 Thanks very much. Glad you liked it. 👍

[@21stcenturyozman20]

Mine blew *itself* into the weeds with its 'handling'! A rudderless bathtub on high seas is what it felt like to me. Some drivers wouldn't know handling if they found it in bed with them.

[@markbehr88]

@@21stcenturyozman20 That kind of “handling” is a whole different topic! 😳

[@nkelly.9]

@@21stcenturyozman20 Some imbeciles wouldn't know if their tyre pressures were low or if their car was worn out if they found it in bed with them. Some imbeciles think that an EK Holden or an XK/XL Falcon ie. the S Valiant's competitors, handled better than the S series Valiant. They are just imbeciles. I have been fixing. rebuilding, restoring and test driving cars for nearly 50 years son, from Model T Fords through to modern rocketships , electric vehicles and everything in between. I will put my reputation , knowledge and experience with motor vehicles up against yours any day . You best go back to your Dinky toys. The whole world can see you making a fool of yourself here.

[@nkelly.9]

@@21stcenturyozman20 Some "drivers" wouldn't know if their tyre pressures were low, let alone if their car was worn out even if it was in bed with them. Some "drivers" have comprehension difficulties. Some "drivers" reckon that the EK Holden and the XK/XL Fords handled better than the contemporary Valiants. I have been repairing, restoring and test driving motor vehicles since the early 80's. From Model T Fords through to electric vehicles and everything in between. I will put my knowledge and experience up against yours any day son. Best stick to your Dinky toys. The whole world can see you making a fool of yourself here.

[@PaulBartlett-jz4bg]

Excellent channel, excellent segments,every one I seen so far

[@markbehr88]

@@PaulBartlett-jz4bg Thanks very much. Appreciated. 👍

[@mebeasensei]

It looks so much more solid and impressive than the the austere AP5.

[@markbehr88]

I like the AP5. A school mate’s Mum had a blue one and I drove us around in it (will tell the story in the AP5 episode as to what happened). I found it to be a good car. 👍

[@cruiser6260]

Virgil Exners best work for me. Really stood out on the road like nothing else. I thought they were like a Batmobile when I would see one as a kid in the 70s. Chrysler A body is unexciting humdrum. I had an S series with 170 slant 6 about 1990. Far better engine than any 225. Would sit and smoke tyres from standstill without touching brakes and sprint to 120mph. Car had been off the road for a long time when I got it and all original, so the 170 seems to have been original, but all available info says only 225 was brought to Oz.

[@markbehr88]

@@cruiser6260 Yes, very futuristic cars. 👍

[@johngibson3837]

A girlfriend was super keen for an S back in early 80s, went up to Sydney bought that adds paper first thing after staying up all night and managed to get one in a fair condition but very smokey, drove it the 200miles back to where i lived put in another engine and painted it a two tone black and white. Had it a few weeks before she picked it up was great to drive loved the push button auto car got nickname the shark

[@markbehr88]

@@johngibson3837 Sounds like she had good taste! 👍

[@area51isreal71]

That was very enjoyable. You uncovered a few facts that I didn't know before about this car and it's predecessor. Looking forward to you covering the rest of the Valiant models. Cheers.

[@markbehr88]

@@area51isreal71 Thanks. Glad you are enjoying them. 👍

[@StephenDodds-o6e]

There was a lot of Studebaker lineage visible in the old Valiants. They actually made the Holdens and Fords look modern by comparison.

[@markbehr88]

@@StephenDodds-o6e Yes. For sure re Studebaker. 👍

[@andreventer8734]

Very much Studebaker Lark-like grille

[@markbehr88]

@andreventer8734 Yes, for sure. 👍

[@retroautos]

Excellent summary of the S model, MB.

[@markbehr88]

@@retroautos Thanks David. 👍

[@arthurthomasware5004]

I used to own a 1964 AP4 Valiant with the slant-six motor, 450 ltrs. Heaps of grunt. Had a press button on the dashboard automatic controls. Great road car for long trips.

[@johnnichol9412]

My memories of the slant 6, distributor on the "underside" and very susceptible to water.

[@markbehr88]

Cool. They are great cars. 👍

[@markbehr88]

Interesting. Have not heard that before? 🤔

[@jgsheehan8810]

Another good video Mark. I really enjoy these car model video series’

[@markbehr88]

@@jgsheehan8810 Thanks very much. The next episode will be the ZC Fairlane. 👍

[@lesklower7281]

I do remember these R and S series and that dummy spare wheel in the boot lid also the push button automatic

[@markbehr88]

@@lesklower7281 Yes, cool features. 👍

[@bitemykrank1970]

I was driving home from the shops in town 2 days ago and a pristine S Series crossed the roundabout ahead of me. First one I have seen on the roads in over 30 years....and the owner obviously had a LOT of money invested in it, it was gorgeously restored. Looked totally stock from the outside aswell. I always liked the dunny seat on the R series.

[@markbehr88]

@@bitemykrank1970 Very cool. Nice to see them on the road. I like the R series boot too. 👍

[@bitemykrank1970]

@@markbehr88 They were a beautiful design, but a panel pounders NIGHTMARE.....those fins and wings were some hard to maintain shapes...

[@markbehr88]

@@bitemykrank1970 Yes. I can imagine. 🫣

[@UncleJoeLITE]

Little boys know what tbey like & I loved these. I'll go on a limb & admit I liked the fake tyre hump better. 'Faded Denim W\Rust Accents' is the colour I remember most. I'm sure I'd hate daily driving one, but they still look terrific. Happy Tuesday from your nation's mighty capital, fellow Emutopians.

[@markbehr88]

@@UncleJoeLITE I agree. I like the R Series the best, incl the spare tyre hump and the tail lights in the fins, plus the nicer grille. An American neighbour of ours in Sydney had a turquoise one, and as a kid of about 5, I remember thinking “that is a rather way out car”. Very American, even to my young eyes. 👍

[@mikldude9376]

I think you might be surprised just how well they drove mate , and when you look at how you use and interact with your vehicle everyday , look how many cars of today have the sleek styling with the low roofs you have to contort yourself to get in the door way of the vehicle, the old Val has lovely big door opening and a high roof , not to mention everything is just simple, no bullshit gimmicks , just good simple no fuss motoring. Cheers. Edit : and have a look at all that uninterrupted glass area , just awesome.

[@jamesfrench7299]

@@mikldude9376 phenomenal automatic transmission way ahead of the pack still impressive 20 years after.

[@UncleJoeLITE]

@@mikldude9376 don't get me wrong, I have a spot marked "Valiant R Series" in my dream garage.

[@Colinkenny-levick]

I have two Rs and one S and these models easily drive with modern day traffic. They are not as refined of course, and you need to "drive" them, but they start, stop and steer very well and are happy to sit on 75-80 MPH (110-130 KPH) all day long.

[@steventaylor5283]

THANKS FROM AUSTRALIA

[@OLDS98]

Thank you Mark. Chrysler had an advatage with the headlights and the trunk space. You cannot find a car with a trunk that large in 2024. I do miss the huge trunks and large sedans. It is interesting how they modified this car for Australian tastes. It worked. Who know that Holden and the Ford would go on to bigger and better things in the years ahead.

[@markbehr88]

@@OLDS98 Thanks Olds98. Yes, the competition was certainly hotting up in the early to mid 60’s Looking forward to showcasing these cars. 👍

[@OLDS98]

@@markbehr88 The history is indeed getting quite interesting!

[@markbehr88]

@@OLDS98 For sure. 👍

[@louiskats5116]

G’day Mark, Never owned a S Series Val, but you can go past that leaning tower of power the old slant. Plenty of them at shows these days. Thoroughly enjoyed it expect plenty of comments Cheers Louis Kats 👍

[@markbehr88]

@@louiskats5116 Thanks Louis. They certainly seem popular! 👍

[@louiskats5116]

@@markbehr88 👍👍👍

[@MrLeslloyd]

I bought an XL Falcon but had a chance to ride in an AP5 auto,the acceleration was amazing for the day throwing you back hard into the seat like no other Aussie car,I wonder if the Ford customline V8 could match it in acceleration,I doubt it.

[@markbehr88]

@@MrLeslloyd Yes, they were the class leader in power for sure. 👍

[@jamesfrench7299]

Much appreciate your great rundown Mark, as always, and didn't need to be long due to it's similarity to the R series and single variant apart from the gearbox choices. I think the S series was move to more conservatism, a foreshadowing of the next model.

[@UncleJoeLITE]

@@jamesfrench7299 yes, it was downhill in styling after the R. I'm no fan of the following square riggers, but then the Regal & Charger looked great. Cheers

[@jamesfrench7299]

@@UncleJoeLITE the move to the round taillights from those nice integrated sympathetic ones and all the silverware at the front was backward to me.

[@markbehr88]

@@jamesfrench7299 Thanks. Yes, Elwood Engel makes himself known in the next model. 👍

[@markbehr88]

@@UncleJoeLITE I don’t think they could have kept that shape though if they wanted to compete but I get that you like this look the best. 👍

[@markbehr88]

@@jamesfrench7299 Agree.

[@Eric-kn4yn]

Racing chargers heavily modified series had bigger diameter torsion bars to improve handling i appreciate this was extreme driving.

[@markbehr88]

@@Eric-kn4yn Yes. 👍

[@barrycuda3769]

Good.👍

[@markbehr88]

@@barrycuda3769 Better, Best? 😀

[@barrycuda3769]

@@markbehr88 let's not get carried away.

[@markbehr88]

@@barrycuda3769 It’s the saying. Good, Better, Best. 👍

[@barrycuda3769]

@@markbehr88 I'll ruminate over that .

[@barrycuda3769]

@@markbehr88 Iv'e watched the video through again , this time with a couple of red wines, and, it's better than just good, it's really good, and very well researched, and presented , and your'e a very good man ,my son watched it too , and he also thought it was very, very good. I think I like the R series grille more than the S , but prefer the S series taillights and bootlid . The lack of Valiant ute , panel van , and station wagon , would have given Ford and Holden a big sales advantage. I'd love to own an EJ or EH panel van . Looking forward to the AP5 and beyond videos. 🙂👍

[@andrewdouglas3091]

A very good job Mark. I love a a Australian built cars. My First car was BMC Morris Mini Deluxe, built at Zealand. I still own it. Maybe you could a program of people that have their first cars? And also hopefully you will do a series on BMC And Leyland Australia. Great job. Thank you.

[@AUmarcus]

Zetland....they built the P76 there too.

[@markbehr88]

@@andrewdouglas3091 Thanks very much. Certainly plenty of material for me to go through. 👍

[@markbehr88]

@@AUmarcus Yes. I have done the Force 7V. You can check that out. 👍

[@johnnichol9412]

Zetland*

[@ldnwholesale8552]

S series Val?? By far the biggest and best engine and best auto. 14" wheels? Yes but very skinny.US Models however had 13" wheels Styling?? Love or hate. I like. Mile End plant? It was part of what became Lecornus and only recently demolished. EJ with underpowered 138 grey motor and Ford with their equally underpowerd 144 were slow and autos poor. EJ Prem was nice inside, as was the Futura but that would never substitute the utter lack of performance. And the S series trim was not bad anyway. They were bigger inside as well.

[@markbehr88]

@@ldnwholesale8552 Agree with your observations. 👍

[@shaun30-3-mg9zs]

Hi Mark, Like the last model it is a nice looking car ,may be it does look a bit dated for the time compered to the Holden and Ford, the Chrysler looks like it's left in the 1950's in the styling as cars were more square looking but saying that it is a stunning car. Did Chrysler produce other cars at the time is this the main car being built at the time, I know you had the Chrysler ( Rootes ) models as the UK Hilman, Singer , Humber and Sunbeam were these cars built or assembled in Australia or shipped from UK. Great video on the Valiant S series catch you soon Take care

[@markbehr88]

@@shaun30-3-mg9zs Thanks Shaun. We also had the Dodge Phoenix too. 👍

[@shaun30-3-mg9zs]

@@markbehr88 Hi Mark, Dodge Phoenix nice, are going to do a review on it, Thanks

[@markbehr88]

I think I will but it will be down the track. 👍

[@toni4729]

I've never heard of that boot lid on the "R" series being called a toilet seat but I do see the logic.

[@markbehr88]

@@toni4729 Yes. The boot lid 😀👍

[@johnnydev9318]

Remember these from when I was around 10 years of age. For some reason, if you were of Italian descent, you just HAD to have a Valiant automatic. Why ? To this day I have no idea ... 🤔🤔🤔

[@markbehr88]

@@johnnydev9318 I think the appeal was, they were big, American styled vehicles and this appealed to that audience? 🤔👍

[@sneescampers]

i wouldn't say "handling advantage" these things felt nautical or "boat like" if you will. even through the end of the 70's without the handling options of the chargers that was the experience. that said they had wonderful compliance on tough roads i have very positive memory's of the Valiants i have driven.

[@markbehr88]

@@sneescampers Yes, but all relevant to the standards of the day. The Chryslers with their torsion bar suspension (something Porsche used on their WW2 tanks I might add) was a step above the Ford and Holden, which had a more compliant ride. 👍

[@sneescampers]

@@markbehr88 im just pointing out the setup is not known for it's precision especially in a big car with a huge chunk of cast iron sitting up front. but out in the Australian countryside it was the better car.

[@markbehr88]

Yes, I have a 1966 Dodge Monaco and a 1971 Imperial (amongst other things) and I found the roadholding pretty good when driving on some windy backroads of America, before bringing them to Australia. Not precision versus new cars of course. 👍

[@sneescampers]

@@markbehr88 the last valiant I owned was a 76 CM regal wagon with the 265, I sold it and got a ZH fairlane. both had full tow packages with air shocks and long range tanks and out of the two I should of kept the wagon it was better.

[@markbehr88]

@@sneescampers I like those wagons although I still own (and love) my ZH Fairlane. 👍

[@Eric-kn4yn]

Fishscale dash trim valiants use that again 10 years later.

[@markbehr88]

@@Eric-kn4yn I like that look. 👍

[@Eric-kn4yn]

​​@@markbehr88 yes its aged well.

[@markbehr88]

👍

[@bluemango7112]

Small correction the original plant was in Keswick not Mile End , i lived two streets away as a small child and well remember the factory and seeing R and S models in the holding yard . They were such a radical design along with the Dodge Phoenix the big brother .

[@markbehr88]

@@bluemango7112 All of my data shows Mile End as the assembly plant. Maybe they stored them as Keswick but all the info I have is that they were assembled at Mile End. 👍

[@bluemango7112]

@@markbehr88 Actually we are both right , they purchased Richardson's motor bodies , moved from the city to a 14 acre manufacturing site in Leader st Keswick in 1917 , then in 1947 opened an 11 acre site in Mile End , never knew about that site . There are pics of the Keswick site on line , but i cant find any of Mile End , Keswick was a noisy factory , eventually closed when Tonsley Pk came on in the mid 60's. My father moved from Chevs to an AP6 , 273ci V8 IN 1965 , and then a VF , 318CI in 1969 , both nice cars . Great job you are doing , loved your R story too .

[@markbehr88]

@@bluemango7112 Thanks very much. Glad you are enjoying them. 👍

[@jamesmcgowen1769]

The Mile End plant ran from Railway Tce ?? to South Rd I believe

[@markbehr88]

Our subscribers always come through with the info. 👍👍

[@toni4729]

I was too young when they came out but I always got the impression they really heavy vehicles. They must have cost a few bob to fill and drive.

[@markbehr88]

@@toni4729 They are actually lighter than many new cars today. 🤔👍

[@toni4729]

@@markbehr88 Hmm. Interesting. I wish they never changed the floor shift too. I'm definitely one for the manual.

[@markbehr88]

@@toni4729 Yes. That was a nice feature. 👍

[@marklittle3551]

Slant 6 was a mile ahead perhaps until the 200cid in the xp falcon.

[@markbehr88]

Yes, the XP with the 200 was an excellent car (see my XP episode in the Falcon History series on the Playlists) 👍

[@marklittle3551]

@@markbehr88 My father had a springtime yellow XP 170 deluxe super pursuit with white roof when I was a 8 or 9. Remember him giving a 179 EH a run through the bends at Bulahdelah back in the day.

[@markbehr88]

@@marklittle3551 The Falcon would have won. 👍

[@marklittle3551]

@@markbehr88 Yeah Dad backed off because he had mum and I in the car.😄

[@markbehr88]

@@marklittle3551 Fair enough. He was probably trying to relive the 70,000 mile Durability Run. 😀👍

[@jamesmcgowen1769]

Fancy calling the bootlid a ‘toilet seat’ on an arse series!

[@markbehr88]

@@jamesmcgowen1769 Ha hah. 😀👍

[@anthonycima1811]

I never saw it like that on the R series previously. Now that you mentioned it Mark, I cannot unsee it. 😂 Heh Americans!

[@markbehr88]

@@anthonycima1811 😂

[@Veryfastslowcar66]

kind of sad that by the ap5 all the big three cars had a very similar design

[@markbehr88]

@@Veryfastslowcar66 I think they still looked pretty good. 🤔👍

[@Veryfastslowcar66]

@@markbehr88 Totally agree, great looking cars, just feel that this particular generation the front stylings felt a little too complacent with each other.

[@markbehr88]

@@Veryfastslowcar66 Fair call. 👍

[@crunchytheclown9694]

You ok mark?

[@markbehr88]

@@crunchytheclown9694 I think so? 🤔

[@crunchytheclown9694]

@@markbehr88 yesy your right marc the delorean did have round wheels

[@markbehr88]

@@crunchytheclown9694 Unless it was flying.

[@stephenvelden295]

I used to own a 1962 V200 2 door here in Perth. I sold it to a guy in Darwin. Maybe it's still up there. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bKqvqGamp6qnfMU The U.S. 62 Valiant had a different dash panel and auto trans select buttons to the Australian version, which kept the R Series layout.

[@markbehr88]

@@stephenvelden295 Nice car. 👍

[@Eric-kn4yn]

Were australians styling the new S series..

[@markbehr88]

@@Eric-kn4yn No, still American. 👍

[@deanstevenson6527]

🥝✔️

[@markbehr88]

@@deanstevenson6527 👍

[@ACDZ123]

I cant tell which one is uglier .the S series or the AP5/6 😅

[@markbehr88]

@@ACDZ123 I reckon the AP5 and 6 are great looking cars, so one of us “should have gone to Spec savers” 😀👍

[@garynew9637]

😂​@@markbehr88

[@garynew9637]

Looks a bit like a studebaker.

[@markbehr88]

Yes, the Lark. I have a 1963 model. You can check it out on the channel. 👍

[@Eric-kn4yn]

The 138 CI engine in the EJ really was a poor engine prehistoric did they even have a disposable oil filter the EH red motors smooth and quiet operation even if not as powerful put holden on equal footing with 225 engine as a modern powerplant never had a early ford falcon so no comment offered

[@markbehr88]

@@Eric-kn4yn Chrysler still had the performance edge but Holden had other advantages. 👍

[@Eric-kn4yn]

​​@@markbehr88slant 6 if i remember had piston slap noise red motors were quieter but going back some years.

[@keithammleter3824]

I had an ex-government fleet EJ with the low compression grey motor mated with the 2-speed auto transmission. Nice car, was in perfect condition, but it sure was a slug to drive. Passengers used to comment on the engine revving on takeoff without much movement, as the torque converter did its job..

[@Eric-kn4yn]

​@@keithammleter3824 yes you wouldnt be towing anything in those EJ autos

[@markbehr88]

@@keithammleter3824 Yes. Smooth but sloooowwww. 👍