am I WRONG?? Convincing another builder to do SUBFLOORS my way.

[@DONKEYdaDON]

*scrolling through youtube. "Oh new Chuck Cassady video, no one bother me for the next ~30 minutes"

[@ChuckCassadyYT]

GOAT fan status!

[@byronn.2885]

Swapping on a front grille and headlights from a higher end passenger van and a nice set of wheels would take this build to another level. Still a cool build though.

[@byronn.2885]

Swapping on a front grille and headlights from a higher end passenger van and a nice set of wheels would take this build to another level. Still a cool build though.

[@Techgeekengineer]

As someone who had been in the OSB industry for 14 years, OSB flooring resists water and moisture tremendously. LP Subflooring utilizes Gorilla Glue Technology. APA standards are blown out the water. No pun intended 😂 But LP subfloor has lifetime warranty. Covered until it's covered. You can leave a bundle out in the rain for a year and have no issues. Warrenty still covers it. The Techshield Radiant Barrier is also tremendous. You should look into the testing standards done between plywood and some of the OSB manufacturers out there. There's a major difference between strength weight and even the warranty provided. I hope this useful information helps you in future builds. But I am no longer in the OSB industry. Let's just say I design, build, and run machines that make SharkBite Max Fittings. Pex-A and Pex-B.

[@joeblow1942]

Is LP sub flooring the same thing as OSB?

[@WilliamMullen-g4h]

Did my Box Truck floor this way. Thanks Chuck!!!! Don't forget people to take measurements of fuel pump access and mark that on your subfloor as well.

[@joeblow1942]

NO FRAME SUBFLOOR INSTALLATION: IMPORTANT: Be sure to mark where any access plates on the floor are so I can access later. 4:7:33 05. Loctite PL 3 Premium. He uses the large 28 oz tubes. This stuff works well with foam sheets. 1 tube needed to glue down one 4 x 8 sheet of foam insulation to the bus floor + one tube to glue a 4 x 8 sheet of plywood to the top of the foam sheet. 5:17 The foam insulation Foamular 150 1” thick extruded poly styrene. ( Polyiso has lower R Value in cold temps than Foamular extruded poly styrene. Poly iso is ok for warmer climates.) He is using 1” foam here because he wanted to preserve headroom. The concrete slab in this shop is laid on top of 2” thick Foamular 150 sheets. 7:35 He uses 4 x 8 x 3/4 T&G plywood. Do NOT use OSB because it doesn’t handle moisture well. He seals the TOP side of the plywood with any kind of paint. He has also used Advantech which looks like OSB but it handles moisture well. 9:03 Glue wood around perimeter of floor so you can screw the edge of the plywood sheets down. You will need lots of weights to hold floor down until glue dries. 11:12 It’s important to stagger the foam sheets and the plywood sheets by a few inches so the seams of each do NOT align with each others edge. 12:00 He puts big globs of glue down on the surfaces. Again, stagger the foam and plywood edges. 18:31 Rolling the paint to seal the top of the plywood. 19:27 He installs his first layer of “strapping” down along bottom of wall. (“Strapping” is what he calls the 2” wide strips he rips out of 4 x 8 x 3;4 ACX plywood. The strapping is the frame that you screw wall panels and cabinets, etc. into. A second layer of “strapping” is screwed into the first layer making it 1 1/2” thick total. Stagger the edges with each layer.

[@SpeedBumpGarage]

I knew I was procrastinating on my subfloor for a reason lol. Always appreciate the solid advice.

[@missingegg]

A helpful tip for anyone prepping for a project like this: you really want a way to hammer in the T&G top layer without smashing up the insulation layer below. It's not just that you're trying to preserve the insulation: it can also just be really difficult to seat the T&G together properly if the insulation layer is getting in the way of swinging the hammer. You can see in the video that they're using little blocks of T&G as a spacer to then hammer against, and that they're tearing up the insulation as they're doing it. Then, at 15:06 they come back in with a long enough piece that it overhangs the end of the insulation, which makes it much easier to get a good hammer swing. In normal construction, people are laying T&G on top of floor joists, without the underlying insulation sheet, which gives plenty of room to swing the hammer. Another tip is to carefully pick your T&G sheets yourself at the suppliers yard, rather then letting them just deliver whatever they feel like. It's pretty common to find sheets where the tongue or the grove are smashed up, which can make it just impossible to seat them tightly together. If you're going to let the supplier pick the sheets, prepare for getting one or more that's just unusable. Particularly if you're dealing with a big box store like Home Depot.

[@PapaCriss]

Two of my most favorite builders in one place. Got to love it!

[@dan9441]

My favorite two builders, Brianna and Chuck! Chuck, this is one of your best episodes.

[@ChuckCassadyYT]

Wow, thanks!

[@WolfDogBuses]

Honored! ❤

[@lamh5265]

You have demonstrated so thoroughly in all of your videos that I believe that I could so the insulation. Looking forward to your wiring demo, again.

[@Swerly01]

Great looking bus, it's going to make the new owner very happy!

[@bradkirbey1560]

love that system for the floors, but as an old guy I wonder why you don't use a handle in the paint roller to save your knees. Trust me you'll wish you had when you hit your fifties. Just sayin!!LOL

[@ChuckCassadyYT]

Great point!

[@darrenwebb1382]

Are you at all concerned about the furring strips that you screwed the ply wood to collecting moisture over time? or is there some form of insulation under those as well?

[@Doc1855]

Your videos are so interesting. If I were single, I’d definitely be building a business conversion. But my wife hates camping. Over the years I’ve come to learn that “roughing it” is in a Holiday Inn.

[@chrisgentry4427]

My wife hates the bus as well. But I haven't got it finished yet, so we will see how it goes when we go camping in it.

[@Doc1855]

@@chrisgentry4427 Good luck with you on that one. This year we went to Hawaii for vacation. Real estate is too high, so next year we’ll go to the Virgin Islands to look around at real estate prices. We’re looking now, so we can purchase a nice 2 bedroom 2 bath house for our winter residence. We’ll still have to build a 2 bedroom 2 bath log cabin on our land in Montana, so while we’re there in the spring through fall, we can rent out our house on or near the beach. If the Virgin Islands are too expensive, then we’ll look down in Costa Rica.

[@chrisgentry4427]

@Doc1855 that sounds like a good plan. I've got a couple plots of land in Southern Indiana and wanted to build a new house and shop, but can't get my wife to move. She loves it where we are now. I can't afford to build without trading in the equity I've built up in my other properties. Hopefully you can have better luck and find you a good winter property.

[@Doc1855]

@@chrisgentry4427 We Love where we live now in north central WA state, but after she retires (I retired early on a medical), we won’t want to be snow blowing the 5-7 feet of snow we get every winter. Furthermore our current house is a 2 story, so it’ll be nice to have a single story in our “Golden Years”. I’m 7 years older than my wife so by the time she retires I’ll be 75 years old, that is if she waits until she’s 67 when she retires. The owner and all of the employees of Meadowlark Log Cabins are Amish. They have an attention to detail and build quality Log Homes.

[@chrisgentry4427]

@@Doc1855 The Amish have a very large settlement about an hour from me, and also build quality "everything" They sell a lot of the local metal for post frame construction, and have several businesses in the area that do barndominium style construction.

[@WattsOccurring]

Hi from sunny Wales 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿... We have our 1st conversion coming up and love this method of flooring 👍

[@kevinwittenauer6892]

Your way is the best

[@peterwilson8903]

Top notch dog maneuver at 12:56

[@WolfDogBuses]

shes somethin 🫠

[@stargirlofantares9053]

Brianna was cool. I’ll have to subscribe to Wolf Dog Buses. I know you wanted a little height in there, but how you got yourself to do only 1 inch foam stuff (if I need to know the name, I’ll just rewatch) when your bus has 4 & you swore that’s whatchya gotta have to be properly insulated for all weather, especially cold, I’ll never know! How will you sleep at night??!!! Thanks Chuck! Always good content! How’s the progress on your own bus? Love from Oregon ♥️ Jess

[@alvisjenkins1305]

In my 21 year old bus I did not have to change the flooring. It is solid and supportive for use as is with short haired carpet over the rubber surfaced floor.

[@JayDubber]

She's awesome! Her builds are insane..

[@rbnhood39]

Beautiful dog, and oh yeah the floor. 👍

[@olbird7647]

Amazingly, I've impressed myself by remembering your very informative, clever-clogs thermal bridge etc info from your previous flooring vid. Alas, I have no one to inflict this knowledge on. Just hasn't dropped into conversation easily. 🤔

[@ChuckCassadyYT]

Hahahaha that’s a real struggle

[@rjames7380]

have a new cargo trailer being built for me. Turning it into portable garage/pad for my toys and to live / cook in while I work on the road. I need to Line-X the bottom and frame. The guy says he can spray foam insulation as well. What would the best route to go... 1. Line-X then Insulation or 2. Insulation then Line-X the undercarriage

[@Budginut]

Do you ever replace the flashers with spotlights??

[@withQandZ]

I did mine that way. Front and rear. 3k lumens each x4

[@Budginut]

@@withQandZ seems like a smart use of the structure already there. Does it look and work well?

[@withQandZ]

@Budginut ya, I love it. The headlights are no where near enough. Even just two lights bring daylight to the night. All 4 lights together are extremely bright. There's a picture on my Instagram showing how bright they're.

[@mmsmits2868]

I'd need a roof raise, even if just a few inches. At 6'2" I'd like to be able to stand up. Also why vans (Sprinter, Transit & ProMaster) won't work for me: with insulation there's not enough headroom. I like your flooring method. It makes sense. Cuts thermal bridging.

[@davidcarrick9114]

Cannot wait for the snow to melt here!

[@RedSiBaron]

Thanks again as always for a great to the point video Chuck. We painted our 12 window early this fall and finished replacing all the steel floor around the wheel wells. NOW it's cold and winter and I can't chassis saver or glue down a sub floor because it's too cold. Hopefully we get a freak warm spell and I can sneak it in.

[@colleenbalch328]

SOAP BOX, get em, Charlie!

[@kindofsortofmaybe7598]

Loved the video! Excited to hear more about the bus. Would you guys consider doing a video talking about why you mutually thought this bus was a good buy?

[@ChuckCassadyYT]

That’s a great idea

[@gregwillcutt687]

I’m so interested in how much this bus is going to priced at. Can’t wait!!!

[@sniffsquad]

Why didn't you put a layer of chassis saver on the bus metal floor before the subfloor? Saw you do that in another video

[@siimtuulik6344]

Decent option for a vehicle with a flat foor. However, the painted metal surface should be cleaned with alcohol, from any grease. The paint should also not be flaky/rusty and etc. The paste you use needs to be 2 component. These 1 component adhesives don't want to set well, if they get no air, and are a bit thick blobs. There definately should be some screws attached to the sides and even few from the middle. Not much, but the adhesive is not that longlasting. Also would be a good idea to use a string or a straight ruler to check any natural dips and etc on the flooring as you are setting it down.

[@Danielily1]

I live in Canada. Do you think it would be a good idea to put a heated floor? What about raise the roof and put the water tank on the floor and put the floor on top? I’d love to hear your thoughts. We can get -40 degrees. Look to hear from you.

[@TheDagnab]

super easy way to do a sub floor, simple and to the point, really like that bus nice looking

[@chrisgentry4427]

Well good to know Chuck's knees are better than mine. I used to be able to crawl around on the floor like that.

[@ChuckCassadyYT]

lol for now….

[@WTFwuzdat]

I have the same bus!!! :)

[@colinchallis-thompson9928]

Will it take the weight of heavy batteries and fresh water tanks without compressing over time?

[@halleluYAH144]

Nope! less thermal bridging does the bus body good.

[@stephendickinson9929]

That is the bus I have been looking for. I'm interested.

[@ChuckCassadyYT]

We will be listing it for sale next sunday

[@lisadee7805]

Do you post sale on YT and where else please?​@@ChuckCassadyYT

[@jimm7165]

Huh. I thought the foam "pink board" was expanded polyurethane foam. Learn something new every day

[@bryanrhoten4032]

Have you tried this method with a plywood base or just a metal floor? Curious if the adhesive would be as successful with wood to xps?

[@jarenru]

if it works to put plywood on top of xps, I don't see why it wouldn't work to put xps on top of plywood

[@Gail-gf7km]

Why do you glue the floor instead of allowing it to float?

[@richardvargas3983]

Hey Chuck! Great job! I was wondering if your blocks, and the strips at the bottom, were 3/4" plywood? Thanks!

[@tuckermiddlebrook4505]

where do you get those replacement flashers?

[@lukekao8136]

What? You mean you don't like President Che's Bus build? lol jk. :P Btw, Thank you for your service, Briana. :)

[@cycleoflife7331]

Chuck, remind her that she can add more inches of foam under counters, bed especially areas of low walking traffic like around the bed for better overall insulation when you are not doing a roof raise

[@LemonAndBeanCo]

You two need to wander over to ohio. Help us put heated floors in our build!!!!!

[@WolfDogBuses]

Say when! Love trips to the midwest… in the summer 🙂

[@wilty5]

You’re not using a sound deadening material on the floor, do you believe it’s unnecessary?

[@Doc1855]

What part of WA state are you in?

[@HenryRoss-wu4lo]

❤@This build 🎉🎉

[@lifehunter6426]

I don't recommend doing it this way. I told the guy doing the work for me to do this and I'm sorry I did. The adhesive over time is coming loose. I used one tube per piece of the same adhesive as suggested in the video. All surfaces were clean. But after about a month and a half, its coming loose. Framing gives you something to anchor the subfloor to. On the first section that started popping up I drilled holes in the subfloor and filled with more adhesive and put weight on it like I did in the beginning. That section is holding so far but for how long? Now other sections are popping up. My next plan is to us wood to metal screws to anchor the subfloor to the metal floor.pan. either that or start over. DO NOT DO IT THIS WAY. FRAME IT OUT.

[@poet99999]

i have a chassis shuttle bus, it does not have metal floor pan. what would you suggest for a floor? i was thinking 3/4 ply on the metal frame, 1" XPS on top of that, but im unsure if i should do another layer of wood on TOP of that xps/ if so how thick? i was going to bolt the bottom layer plywood to the metal frame floor supports like the OE. undercoating on the bottom and a top layer of seal coat on the top surface of the bottom layer ply wood

[@joncampbell8217]

Just curious, how high was the head room after the sub floor install? I'm assuming you did not do a roof raise.

[@ChuckCassadyYT]

No roof raise and this method costs 1” of headroom. Height in here is 5-10”

[@joncampbell8217]

Thanks!

[@Royal.Gypsys]

Would you that is a method to use in a van too?

[@petedude2lu3]

i notice both you and wolfdog have forsaken your domain names. Have you determined that maintaining a domain is distracting, expensive, andor and not necessary for marketability? what sells best: YT , IG, FB, CL, 0F, patreon, business cards, other?

[@WolfDogBuses]

Lololol we both realized this today. Personally i still have a website, but the server is down.. should be live again by tomorrow. My business has been largely word of mouth, moving towards utilizing more of what the internet has to offer in the coming year 🙂

[@b.s.adventures9421]

She’s cute chuck.. 😉 Great video. I wanted to do something like this but unfortunately did not have the head space to do so.

[@mariemedina257]

Question whats the color of thist paint??

[@jaystewart9947]

Nice job!

[@ChuckCassadyYT]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@jimmiller4951]

I agree with you but will add that you can also take 2x4" s and wedge them from the ceiling to the floor in multiple areas instead of lugging batteries into the bus

[@ChuckCassadyYT]

that is an outstanding idea@@jimmiller4951

[@Danielily1]

Hi CHuck, I didn’t see Brianna’s website. Can you tell me where it is please? Or what it is? Thanks.

[@WolfDogBuses]

Www.wolfdogbuses.com , if you google wolf dog buses it should come up! I also work with heated floors if you wanted to chat over a consult about it 😊

[@tetmayo]

Fellow Sailor! 🎉 that’s what’s up! Am in the same boat. All these time in the world, why not build a shortie? Hehe 😂

[@b.s.adventures9421]

I did not have the headroom insulate my floors inside. What are your thoughts on spraying closed cell foam under the floor on the exterior ?

[@Crazytex73]

Thats how wonderlodge by bluebird did it

[@dockledoo]

Did I understand correctly? Is this bus for sale? How much when completed, can it tow?

[@ChuckCassadyYT]

It’s long since sold

[@rodfreess6019]

That's a whole lotta glue for a "floating floor"?

[@scottfalcore]

Why wouldnt you do a full coverage floor glue like GreenForce? Why only do little patches ?

[@ChuckCassadyYT]

Sounds like an interesting product

[@jarenru]

I can't find anything saying that GreenForce will work w/ XPS. Have you? Would love to use that myself. No VOCs, sound barrier, moisture control.

[@TheHummingbirdBus]

Who do you get to insure these builds?

[@WolfDogBuses]

It depends on the owners state of residence and what options are available at that moment.. skoolie insurance is an ever morphing thing. Kelly Newsome with allstate is a great place to start, she is a bit of a wizard in the field

[@stevencummings5505]

I called it a month ago!

[@Sukisunn]

If it's convincing... No you are not in the wrong... Forcing on the other hand... Eh that's a touch subject... Me personally if you have to force something... Something else is wrong... And if you keep trying to force something... You are going to break it.

[@legiontechnologies4088]

What would you recommend for really cold places like Fairbanks, Alaska?

[@ChuckCassadyYT]

4” of insulation and a heated floor if you can

[@MarkWRCCTV]

I ran 2" of Halo Subterra XPS on my build and during the recent cold snap here in East Central Alberta, where the outside temperature was -46c (50 below) and my floor was about 10c (50f) with the Chinese diesel heaters at the front and back of the build set at 14c (they usually idle down at a few degrees warmer than that). Now that's with insulated walls with cut down insulated metal doors front and rear, so the unit is very well sealed. 4" of insulation would be nice, but I'll just skirt the unit with insulated tarps before sacrificing more headroom.

[@legiontechnologies4088]

Thanks that's help-full information not to many of us that know what -50 feels like! I want to cut the top off and remove most of the windows and raise the roof about 12-14" then spray-foam the walls and ceiling. I want to use this for winter dog mushing trips but also have a nice cool place for summer adventure. @@MarkWRCCTV

[@MarkWRCCTV]

Indeed, 50 below is a ridiculous temperature to experience, but you sure learn a lot about what works and what fails! After pulling the windows I sheeted the sides and went with 6 double pane, Energy Star rated windows and then applied 8 mil security film to the glass so they wouldn't launch shards everywhere if an accident occurred. Three inches of spray foam to the walls and ceiling (with the exception of the front and rear walls, where I installed 2" XPS between the 2x4's) and the only places where I can see the cold spots with my thermal camera are the fasteners going through the strapping and into the ribs and of course right at the bottom of the entry doors and the latches. Best of luck with your build!

[@jenpen1022]

​@MarkWRCCTV what do you mean "cut down insulated metal doors"? Also, you have just confirmed that I won't be needing 4" of insulation. Thanks.

[@MickeyBroverman]

I thought you recommended a floating floor yet I noticed you're screwing in the perimeter? Why?

[@ChuckCassadyYT]

The floating doesn’t matter, it’s that you don’t need to run framing below the whole floor

[@ginuiowa]

We may see some flying vehicles, but this is to big, cumbersome, and very cost prohibitive… Motorcycles consist of two wheels and trikes, three wheels, while vehicles have four wheels and many more laws governing them… These are the fun challenges of designing new vehicles; land and air 😉 Wish you all the best 😊

[@Cam-eo2hz]

Foamular 150 vs 250…and only 1”? Didn’t Chuck recommend 250 and 4 inches?

[@chrisgentry4427]

Probably to cut down on taking up too much height. I originally did 3/4" in my bus because I wasn't going to do a roof raise. But then later decided to raise it 12". Now I wish I would have done more.

[@ChuckCassadyYT]

Every bus is different and I did a video showing that the 150 is strong enough

[@toastedcooking]

@@ChuckCassadyYTwhat video did you discuss 150 in id like to watch ive only seen videos about 250 , thanks!

[@AdHocAtom]

That's such a foolish way of doing it, totally won't work or last. You're welcome to come to Arizona sometime in the next 3 months to help install it your way in my bus and prove me wrong ( :

[@moustachemike7128]

howdee breee

[@chrisdaniel1339]

That is not a normal Chuck Cassidy 4" of XPS foam floor. After you put your blobs of glue scattered about, you should go back with an 1/8" V notched trowel and spread the glue evenly across the entire foam sheet or plywood for uniform adhesion across the entire sheet. Why are you using such thick plywood? The compressive strength of the foam on its own can support 15 pound per square inch. The average size 10 shoe print has an area of 31.76 sqin X 15 psi = 476.4 lbs can be supported by the area of ONE shoe, 952.8 lbs for both feet flat on the floor. You could just use an 1/8" thick real wood veneer and that is your finished floor, or even thinner 1/16" already cured fiberglass panels and then a thin flooring material. Adding multiple sheets of 3/4" plywood adds nothing but extra, unnecessary weight. The only reason to add anything on top of the foam is to dissipate 'point loads' however in a bus, camper, overlander there are very few such loads. A bank of heavy batteries covers a wide area, as do water tanks, grey tanks, shower pans, platform beds with storage under, kitchen cabinet carcasses weigh a lot but the load is spread out such that they are a good portion of one wall of a bus, so you can see a human is likely the biggest point load (or a dog), now if that human is wearing high heals then you have a truer definition of a point load. A weight bloated vehicle cost more in diesel because of worse fuel milage, costs money because of more wear and tear on brakes, tire, the engine, and just give worse performance to the vehicle when climbing hills, more body roll when cornering, and longer stopping distances. And if you are really concerned about point loads use the Foamular 250 instead which has a 25 psi compressive strength, if tens of thousands of pounds of concrete can be poured on top of XPS foam without a plywood subfloor the bus will be fine without it too.

[@usexme]

A person weighing 180 lbs jumping 6" and landing is like 1200lbs force. Divide by 32 sqin assuming you land on your toes so both feet/2 is 38psi. Over the limit of the foam. Even if you don't plan on jumping in your bus, overbuilding is probably the smart choice because it's hard to calculate the forces when driving and hitting bumps.

[@chrisdaniel1339]

@@usexme Do you really think that a 180lb person jumping only 6" high is going to create an impact force of 6.66 times their body weight when they land? Do you think the tiny bones in the foot can absorb 1200 lbs of impact force or do you think there would be multiple fractures like what happens in a crush injury when 1200lbs falls on a foot or when people fall a significant distance like off the roof of a two story house? People can jump much higher than 6" and never break a bone in the foot... so how about we snap back to reality and use some common sense. Not only that, you forgot that when an 1/8" plywood sub floor or just flooring is added over the foam, the subfloor or the flooring material will spread out any load over a larger surface area decreasing the force applied to the foam. What does driving and hitting bumps have to do with point loads applied to a floor with foam insulation underneath?

[@usexme]

@@chrisdaniel1339 yep impact force can range from 3-7x of your body weight based on a bunch of factors. Google it.

[@RobertaMott]

you talk about what you are going to do too much ,get busy and work

[@ChuckCassadyYT]

You’re not the boss of me 😂

[@pbarrick03]

From the navy...she ment a long and cocky road....smh