Sonic Adventure vs Sonic Adventure DX - Every Difference Compared

[@omnikickflip9000]

I can answer this fairly quickly even tho I am watching the whole video. Play the one that speaks to your inner child. Most likely its the one you started with. For me it was Sonic Adventures DX on the Gamecube and the memories that game gave me live on to this day.

[@Seiyol]

Why is this pinned? Vanilla SADX is a terrible version of the game. This is such a weird way to justify settling for less. It's simply a bad idea given the alternatives. Anybody with even a passing interest in SA1 should play the PC version with mods to restore the stuff that got butchered in the port. Or, if 30fps is acceptable, to just emulate the Dreamcast original. If I stuck with vanilla SADX as my go-to way to play, I'd appreciate the game way less than I do now.

[@Cifesk]

@@Seiyol it's pinned because the channel is mine? LOL Even though I clearly state my opinion and views in the video, I couldn't care less what people choose to play anyways, I just hope they have fun with it regardless of the version they pick I pinned it especially because this comment reflects my own, real perspective about this

[@cin2110]

Nah I'm a play close as the original vision with the extra content and some fixes from the newer release. I grew up with the og 2004 pc port btw lol but nowadays I only play dreamcast or a heavily modded pc steam version. Same with heroes grew up with the pc port I play the gamecube version nowadays because it's less janky especially the rival battles.

[@Hyp3rSonic]

​@@CifeskMEGA based

[@Hyp3rSonic]

​@@Seiyol🙄

[@golemplay64]

Cybershell's "Why SADX is a bad port" video if he wasn't holding back.

[@Cifesk]

LMAO

[@jaceybella1267]

I was always disappointed he didn't go into every detail, though I recognize a big video like this takes a lot of time. Regardless, now I have precisely the video I wanted

[@Hyp3rSonic]

... 😑

[@user-vi4xy1jw7e]

How did Cybershell hold back?

[@MrMetal-xe8lg]

​@@user-vi4xy1jw7e the video wasn't a week long

[@РусланБоголов-х6р]

I grew up with first SADX PC port, and when I bought Dreamcast 15 years later, it felt like I was playing remake without all bugs, better graphics and really impressive visuals. Sadly most people think Adventure 1 was bad because of that port, and they are not wrong because that was official way to play on modern hardware.

[@EricsonGamingNite]

I modded Sonic Adventure 1 DX in PC to look a lot like the Dreamcast because I know it looks bad and when the Dreamcast is way better so thanks to me modding that game for my first time ever playing SA1! The Dreamcast way!

[@РусланБоголов-х6р]

@EricsonGamingNite plus mod manager for SA1 has a lot of bug fixes, if I remember correctly, so, except for few problems, it's definitely best way to play

[@KirbyGotenksabsorbed]

Better graphics such as the block hands and glowing white textures that don't work with the lighting system?

[@ingothasnolife8040]

​@@KirbyGotenksabsorbedMe when i don't watch the video the comment I'm replying to is on.

[@KirbyGotenksabsorbed]

@@ingothasnolife8040 Me when someone points out two facts (of many) that disagree with my bias. Here's another one: despite the neat lighting engine that the original uses, it is often used poorly, such as in areas that are supposed to be in broad daylight (like the Mystic Ruins entrance) being dimly lit.

[@SPEEDYDIM2]

Cifesk managed to make a video about sonic adventure longer than each character’s story lines in the same game

[@Cifesk]

😭😭😭

[@SuperEgoNaut]

My soul always smiles whenever Cifesk ends a sentence with "for some f***ing reason".

[@Infindox]

I actaully grew up with the Dreamcast version first (got one at a yard sale and it had both SA1 and 2 with it); didn't have access to a Game Cube when it was out. When I got the chance to play DX on a friend's GC I was flabbergasted, this was nothing like what I remembered and everything felt wrong.

[@neoqwerty]

Also grew up with the Dreamcast version and I thought I was tripping balls at how bad everything looked and how loose the controls felt. The only good thing that the ports brought was an entirely unintended set of "new" Chao colors (because there's weird glitches when you go deep enough into Chao breeding with the colors and messed up transparencies and mirror effects).

[@colbyboucher6391]

​​@@neoqwerty...Hold on, it even _controlled_ differently? I guess I'm spinning up an emulator this weekend...

[@jaceybella1267]

Not much of this is new to me since I've combed through the entirety of SADX Sins several times over the years, but it's sooooo nice to have your quality explanations combined with having each change visible as they're discussed makes this such an approachable video to share with people! Also it's just relaxing to listen to your videos, this is an especially long one and it's all about a topic I quite enjoy.

[@Hyp3rSonic]

I thought you said SADX fans 😂 (Btw, I have Sonic Adventure 1 on Xbox. Before you ask, no, we don't have a DreamCast. Also, I dont mainly play on PC, in general)

[@blakedmc1989RaveHD]

@@Hyp3rSonic Sonic Adventure on XBOX is also DX because it's a port of a port of a port....

[@KingTvlip]

the *literal* "Why Sonic Adventure DX is a bad port" bonus video

[@AraiDigital]

A channel I've never seen before, doing a video on something I never played, but its about glitches/comparisons? I'm sold, and no longer sleeping today. Thank you Cifesk. EDIT: wait a minute, you make primarily development-esque videos? Subbed, immediately, and will proceed to binge everything constantly. If your watch time goes up to like 1000 hours, my bad.

[@Cifesk]

@@AraiDigital thank you 🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@AustinSV]

More than happy to see other games get coverage from people passionate about them. Sometimes it can feel negligible depending on the game, but SA1 is a pretty good example of "This game didn't actually look or play as bad or old as you remember, the newer versions just don't look or play like the original version"

[@robonaught]

Why I don't like the SA1 Dreamcast Chao system. 1. I don't like the gardens. Station Square garden is okay but Mystic Ruins garden has this stupid glitch which made the Chao spawn in unreachable areas like inside the giant rock forcing you to exit and re-enter hoping they'll spawn somewhere else. Also there's no invisible barrier to stop you from jumping over the fence to your death. Egg Carrier garden is the worst of all the water is way too deep aside from the mentioned issues in the video of drowning or the chao being unreachable if they swim too far out but animals half the time go in the water and fall down past a point where they cannot be reached thereby completely wasting them due to animals in this version vanish regardless if already given to a Chao or not when exiting a garden. 2. The deal that half of the stuff to properly raise chao requires a working VMU like naming, viewing the stats and obtaining all the other special fruits. Like couldn't they at least done where picking a chao up their stats appear on the VMU screen in your controller? Also its impossible to get a Chao's stats to a decent level without a VMU because their life span is far shorter on DC then in DX and animals do not raise the stats nowhere near as fast as they do on DX so its the VMU fruits you want to be feeding them (and Chao don't die when in the VMU). 3. The terrible HP stat. So unlike future releases where feeding Chao fruit raises Stamina and chao die or reincarnate at the end of their life depending on their Happiness stat which is down to if you were nice or abusive to it. In SA1 DC Chao have a HP stat which is what keeps a chao alive. This stat is constantly depleting and if it reaches zero the chao dies regardless of how young or old it is or how nice you were to it. You had to constantly feed them fruits to keep their HP replenished. So they can just die at any time. Even if you get a chao to reincarnate its HP still depletes while its reincarnating and in the egg so there's a chance a reincarnated chao will hatch with zero HP making it die instantly upon hatching. This even makes Chaos Chao useless as they also can die if their HP hits zero unlike in DX where they are truly immortal. The chao are also way too fragile as hit them a little too many times by accident and they will die because hitting them depletes HP faster. Even the damn fruits when they fall from trees can hurt them! 4. There's a bug which causes time to pass in all 3 gardens even though time is only supposed to pass in the garden you are currently in. I've had chao evolve, die or reincarnate without seeing them going into cocoons because I was in another garden. Combined with the above mentioned depleting HP stat spend too long in one garden and your chao in the other gardens are most likely going to die because you didn't feed them in time 5. The Chao are far more annoying and they throw those annoying tantrums you know the ones where they're on their back flailing around because they're hungry far more often then they do in DX. They'll do it like every 5-10 minutes if you aren't feeding them every 3 minutes. Sometimes they'll do this the instant they hatch! It gets annoying really fast combined with the sounds of their crying which is also annoying to the extent i've lost my patience at times and hit them.

[@TheFloodFourm]

Fantastic write up but hire an editor.

[@PosthumanHeresy]

Man, nothing gaslit me about my childhood gaming experiences quite like SADX. I _knew_ the game looked amazing even compared to many games on the later three consoles, but back in the day before people had done all this compare and contrast in high quality online, it was just impossible to prove.

[@RagnellAvalon]

Dreamcast in general was basically an entire generation ahead of its time. SEGA's mismanagement of its advertising and its expensive but justifiable price tag meant nobody wanted to give it a second look despite how amazing it is.

[@PosthumanHeresy]

@@RagnellAvalon And the controller didn't help, tbh.

[@josemiguelportugal7286]

@@PosthumanHeresy and what tbh mean and what tbh stand for?

[@PosthumanHeresy]

@@josemiguelportugal7286 "To be honest"

[@brotbrotsen1100]

​@@RagnellAvalonIt wasnt a Generation ahead of its time, wtf. It released 1 and a half year before ps2 and PS 2 was a stronger console at release. 1 and a half year isn't “basically a entire Generation "

[@MrCompBookC]

My Neurons activated when I saw that two hour mark 🌀

[@lynxzanimated]

Cant wait to see an SA2 variant of this video.

[@illidin23]

was about to state this then I found your comment.

[@YujiUedaFan]

I wish there was a more extensive list of Chao World differences outside of a few textures. Additionally, a number of documented differences were skipped over like Mystic Ruins garden having shallower water (in fact you could drown in it as Tails) and Station Square having a skyline for DX. Other differences you forgot to mention: A number of animal ear models got changed to textures for DX, like the elephant and gorilla ears. Jewel Chao changing colours between DC and DX. Most notably gold went from a lime green to a more yellow colour. Bright Chao in the PC port due to a lighting bug. There are other anomalies regarding promotional artwork, such as Chao in Space featuring a Chao that has an unused mouth. 1:45:46 shows a very odd looking neutral fly Chao that has a lot longer horns as well as strange wings you can never get in the game.

[@graveweather]

seeing the extent of the differences is absolutely mind-blowing. if this were to come out today SEGA would have been absolutely destroyed online, and yet people have high regards for the dx port only because they played it as a kid. there is no good reason why you would ever prefer the dx versions over the dreamcast.

[@TheFloodFourm]

I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone say anything good about the DX port relative to the original release. If all someones played is the DX port off course they’re going to praise it SA1 is good regardless of version.

[@BagzAndPresident]

The dx version fixed the blocky hands and all the chao garden glitches

[@Chance57]

Remember those PS3 launch titles that also launched on PS2?

[@joshuasanderson7359]

I thought those sounds that play while Gamma was taking to Amy were intentional "the robot is confused" effects.

[@Aztyph]

"Director's Cut" my arse.

[@TheFloodFourm]

He cut all the good shit because we let the dreamcast die

[@fnln3011]

Director's cut of the cocaine. It was cut with lead

[@midi_feline]

Honestly, I kinda like the new textures in places. I wish there was a mod that allows you to chose between the GC and DC textures for specific areas

[@blakedmc1989RaveHD]

i don't especially if u have a Dreamcast VGA box

[@thenightwriter619]

something worth mentioning that i always see neglected in sadc vs sadx is that the "dreamcast version" everyone always praises isn't the original version of the game either, it's the international version released a year later with several bug fixes. the original japanese dreamcast release while having many of the visual advantages of the international release, shares many of the bugs with dx in addition to its own bugs that even dx fixed, because, well, dx was built off the 1998 release, not international. of course, this doesn't excuse dx, there wasn't any reason they couldn't have based it on international nor does it explain the visual bugs and changes (some could still be explained as simple artistic choices or the gamecube being incapable of replicating the more intricate effects of the dreamcast, but still, many things were made worse for no good reason and changing the artstyle period was unnecessary, regardless of if you prefer it or not) that being said, it's not an uncommon thing for games of that era. for one reason or another, a lot of remasters and ports back then would be based on the original releases of games instead of updated patched versions. to dx's credit, the extra content and quality of life fixes are nice, mission mode isn't a game changer but it's there if it interests you, the game gear collection was a nice way to get those games on gamecube and the emulation was perfectly acceptable for the time, metal sonic is a nice bonus, and most importantly, the ability to skip the cutscenes and the sa2b-based chao garden do a lot of heavy lifting towards making sadx definitive when it comes to features. carrying over the dc dlc is the only thing that was a missed opportunity but at the same time, so much of it was time sensitive that it would have been weird from a casual player's standpoint. either way you play it, though, sa1 is sa1. don't let the purists mislead you- for as many ways the international version is better, there are ways it is worse, and the bottom line is that every version of sa1 has old game jank, graphics that don't hold up on modern displays (i'm sorry but most people who just wanna play the game aren't going to break out an old tv with special cables), poorly animated cutscenes, etc. if you don't like sadx for these aspects, the dreamcast version is almost certainly not going to change your mind. to the casual player playing it for the first time, your choice is going to come down to a prettier, if still dated looking game, or a game with more content that's more accessible. of course, i write this all in the context of official means to play the game. sonic fans have done awesome work in making it so we don't have to compromise. the only correct answer for playing sa1 casually these days is the steam version with mods to fix most of the issues and your choice of graphical quirks. don't play vanilla sadx, don't even play international, unless you quite literally don't have the option to play it modded, there's no reason to even bother compromising your experience. the best version is right there, you just need to do a bit of extra setup.

[@jonathanplooij3666]

i did not know there were this many differences.

[@Juanpvcool]

Bro.... 2 hours??? I'm watching it.

[@JoseAlberto-dh8pf]

Moral of the story: How come modern computers are incapable of producing mirror and transparency visuals? Nearly all issues with SADX are related to transparency issues when moving to GC and PC made it even worse

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

They actually can be fixed, just not by SEGA themselves.

[@TheFloodFourm]

R.I.P. Mirrors in Dead Rising Remaster I think it just comes down to lack of adaptability. Programming in the 90’s was fast and loose and required a lot of “tricks” so when they approached challenges like reflections and transparency they kind of just made it work. Modern developers apply the UE5 reflection model and if that causes issues they have no choice but to just disable it. The systems are just far too complicated to jerry rig a solution now.

[@apurpledragon]

After modding in the Dreamcast models and lighting on the Steam port I honestly think it's impossible to go back to the original DX ports on GC and Steam/2004.

[@wyattbarnett3877]

I prefer dx models but prefer dreamcast lighting

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

I really want a video about SA2 and Battle's changes. It needs to be documented, as there is no SA2 equivalent to Dreamcastify.

[@QuakeGamerROTMG]

Incredible stuff, I've come back to Cybershell's video on the subject multiple times because it's so entertaining so this really is a great Christmas present

[@mikedapro]

I wonder how many changes were just missed compared to the ones they saw and decided it wasn't important enough to fix. I also wonder if they regret making so many transparent effects.

[@rageinducing8368]

17:56 almost 20 mins in and we haven’t even mentioned sonic. Yeah this gonna be good lol

[@somehelluvafanboy8357]

22:23 thank you for explaining this! I always wondered how that worked on videogames and would have searched for it, but then this video had it just waiting for me to get there

[@Dark_0verlord]

Sonic Adventure (Dreamcast): Has no playable Metal Sonic. Sonic Adventure DX: Has playable Metal Sonic. The answer is clear.

[@Infindox]

Yeah the PC one with Dreamcast mods.

[@Crimcomet]

Dreamcast.

[@the757general2]

Metal Sonic in DX barely looks like Metal Sonic. It looks more like Sonic with a Metal skin.

[@LetsPlayKeldeo]

Wanted to go to sleep an hour ago now I am watching amy in hot shelter lmao

[@gavinkujava6141]

man your quality exploded it's been great watching you become such a great youtuber

[@ItsAubreeyy]

36:15 personally i prefer the original models. the new ones do not fit at all with the low poly geometry of the levels

[@marimakesstuff3900]

I got the steam version a couple of days ago and I was having a hard time enjoying it. Today I finally managed to mod it and it DOES make a difference!

[@Skylancer727]

Yeah I used t the Better SADX mod a long time ago. It's really a shame that the port to modern systems didn't even have widescreen support by default. There's literally Dreamcast emulators that let you do that.

[@RagnellAvalon]

The mod suite is so good... really makes it feel like the best of all possible versions.

[@Jety69206]

I'd use the sadx mod loader by pkr, it also suggest some mods that make sadx look like the dreamcast counterpart. Better sadx is a bit outdated:P

[@LoFiLime]

Excellent video mate!

[@ItsAubreeyy]

21:29 quite a bit of the Dreamcast textures were actually taken as real photos from real places the dev team went to. The new textures ruin this by making them generic

[@arc7375]

An excellent and comprehensive video.

[@Brandon-d4h]

Giving credit to your sources is expected, but crediting the inspiration for the video idea is respectable and I think more people should give that kind of respect to the people who inspire them

[@somehelluvafanboy8357]

15:23 Red Mountain's looking a lot more like Sand Mountain right now.

[@ca_lcium]

Sonic Adventure is probably my favourite game of all time. I had the 2004 PC port as a kid, and it was a huge part of my formative years both as a person and a gamer. The differences between SA1 and SADX will always be an intriguing topic for me, and I could watch these kinds of videos for the rest of my life. Thank you for making such a long and comprehensive video on this.

[@rafaliciousbmx]

Excellent content, truly excellent. 🏆 I thoroughly enjoyed this video aswell as all the technicalities and how the DC works, it's just so interesting. Thank you for taking the time to make this.

[@Flakey05]

I think the gamecube version is the okay version of Sonic Adventure DX

[@Treppy_Gecky]

I had to come back because I thought you had made this already! Time to binge!

[@yousefslimani99]

I already realized that when I played the console version after I played the steam version! I don’t why they cut the word “Options” for some reason? 24:08

[@DashPadGames]

I loved ALL of this. I love videos like this that really go in depth about the differences between ports in video games. Sonic Adventure is a huge part of my childhood and every version of this game has a special meaning in my heart, flaws and all.

[@jimmy33music]

I just wanted to thank you for the awesome time and effort put into this. Such a great video

[@Banshee523]

Weren't some of the character voice clips different in DX compared to the original? Like Amy's and Tails' voices in gameplay when using Amy's hammer, or when Tails starts to fly. I didn't see it mentioned here in the audio or characters section.

[@user-ultrablueluigiYTofficel]

YESSSSS HES BACKKK AND TALKING ABOUT SA1

[@ProjectMirai64]

Great video !

[@ezequielin5058]

28:55 I Can Hear The Noise, Its Just At A Very Low Volume?

[@1xsandrax1]

Fantastic video! Loved all the details. Growing up, I got the Gamecube version and I always wondered why when I got Sonic Adventure DX that some stuff looked not as how I'd remembered from all the times I played the Dreamcast version and how the Gamecube version was buggier than I remembered Dreamcast version being. I do prefer the newer models, though, from the DX version. I didn't have a Dreamcast growing up, but I did play Sonic Adventure on it many times at the Kisoks in stores (Sears, Target, etc) while my mom was shopping when I was growing up.

[@iwanttocomplain]

The DC had some tech, people though it was shit. Did you know that DC renders it's graphics at a higher resolution than the PS2 and downsamples it in order to reduce jagged edges. The PS2 uses the workaround of strange resolutions and terrible video output to smooth out the overall poor quality.

[@nwordfword8073]

Ughhh finally! I wanted to hear more but didn’t wanna look it up myself. Feed me the info!!

[@pixelvahl]

I hope you this type of video for the other notable sonic remasters

[@FanicTheHedgehogYT]

You know that Both games of SADX and the Dreamcast has different physics when but it looks downgraded to the DC Version which there's a Bug when you try to walk near to the two Loop in in Emerald Coast, Sonic will cliped through ground while shakes in Place, and he will Die... Yeah this bug was happened for me when I was playing on PC 5 years ago

[@gablink5190]

Just after i 100% sadx gc you drop this. Cool!

[@syok1107]

Not directly related to the video but KZbin needs a lower maximum available ads to be shown in an hour.

[@Cifesk]

I just auto set it. Sorry if it's too much, I don't really pay much attention to it

[@syok1107]

It's not all your responsibility, the whole ad system needs to be reworked from the ground up, it got to the point where i had to watch the rest of the video on desktop because i actually couldn't follow the video lol. Have a nice weekend.

[@the757general2]

@@syok1107 download uBlock origin you'll never see ads again

[@lunarlicorice]

personally i grew up with the dreamcast version and don't really care all that much about visuals. do i prefer the dreamcast lighting? predictably so. but it's the same game in the end. ...mostly. my only real problem with SADX (specifically the pc versions) are the gameplay bugs from it being a port of a port. this version also being the only easily accessible version of the game nowadays also disappoints me. i wish they would sell both versions on steam, or even just fix the bugs.

[@Skylancer727]

Sadly even SADX is becoming inaccessible to many. The console versions were made for PS3 and 360, both of which only had digital versions. That's a problem because both online stores are reaching EOL. When that happens the Steam version is the only one left. Really sucks even ports haven't been coming.

[@lunarlicorice]

@@Skylancer727 SADX is still available on the xbox series x digital store, if i remember correctly, so it's not completely lost. unfortunately the series x's 360 emulator *also* has a ton of bugs so it's even worse than before lol i really do wish they would start porting games other than the classic titles to newer hardware, too. emulation is always an option, but it's inaccessible to a majority of casual gamers and alienates a large portion of people who would possibly love the game if it were only available more easily.

[@the757general2]

Another jarring thing about DX not mentioned in the video is that Tikal and Eggman were the only NPCs to get new models. The other NPCs all use their Dreamcast models which look awkward as hell next to the upgraded playable character models. The Steam version also omits the unlockable Game Gear games although that can be restored with mods.

[@theretroplayerohio]

Love your videos ❤ and love you credited the source you inspired the idea from 🎉🎉

[@RagnellAvalon]

Definitely looking forward to going over SA2, since in my opinion its visual issues are much more damning - a bunch of times when you're meant to look at a screen in a cutscene to glean some plot-relevant information it's just showing THE WRONG THING.

[@Xxx-pk3vi]

If it's between the DC or GC, it's GC all day. Great multiplayer, some of the cutscenes play more appropriate music to add intensity (look at the scene where Shadow confronts rouge), more fleshed out glitches/better chao system, and the character models and finishing poses look a lot better on SA2B.

[@the757general2]

@@Xxx-pk3vi too bad the cutscenes, lighting, and audio mixing was fucked up, Big cameos missing, and the Chao Gardens are much smaller.

[@FerZoGamer]

Yo jugue de chiquito a la version vanilla de PC y como todo niño, le dio igual. Hoy en dia volvi a rejugarlo al 100% con los mods que lo acercan a la version de dreamcast y fue hermoso, ahora me es dificil ver la vanilla de pc

[@lucascouto166]

Adventure on Dreamcast is the absolute way to play the game, I can see that But I grew up with the original release of the game on PC (before steam) and had a blast with that game, despite the flaws. I love this game

[@Skylancer727]

To be fair, it's about the same as playing a game on medium settings instead of ultra. Yes it's inferior, but unless you have a reference that's just how the game looks to you. Doesn't mean the game can't still be fun or that it immediately looks like garbage.

[@noobbox9113]

Hell yeah 2 hour sonic adventure video

[@TheFloodFourm]

I recommend Cybershell’s “slow play”

[@noobbox9113]

@ Oh, I’ve seen it

[@xrealchronic]

At 1:18:55 am I tripping or is the image used the background for the first reactor from the original final fantasy 7

[@Joshi_ForReal]

Let's go!!! 2 hrs of peak🗣️🗣️🗣️

[@ryukoprop]

another awesome video

[@videotape2959]

1:21:02 I fail to see how the number of frames in the animation of non-descript stage elements is relevant to the marketing boast of an enhanced port, or how it would contradict it in this particular case.

[@JelloRetro]

Please...PLEASE let transparent plastic make the comeback of the century

[@Robowil]

Pretty neat video overall, I must say. Did watch it during a move however, but it was worth it. Oh yea, I also took the Forces screenshot shown at 40:12. The reason why Modern Sonic was shown in a classic stage waa due to a mod, alongside the free camera which was used to move him in front of the water. The error is much more difficult to notice in normal gameplay as the camera angle compensates for this. Also wanted to share my history with Sonic Adventure. The first version I played, was admittedly the GameCube version (was my first 3D Sonic game alongside SA2B), back in late 2016/early 2017. While I did find it fun, I otherwise didn't really think about it much at the time. Towards the end of 2017, I had learned about the Dreamcast Conversion mods, so I went ahead and got the game through Steam (immediately after I had pre-ordered Sonic Forces. In fairness I *was* 15 at the time and was still fairly new to the series). All I have to say is that my thoughts on the game would improve immensely, and to this day it remains one of my favorite games in the series. Would also end up getting the PS3 version as well, but beyond that I haven't played vanilla DX since. The PS3 menu theme it came with is pretty cool though, gotta admit. (Also I wanted to add that SEGA of China did the X360/PS3/Steam ports. That branch also ported its sequel to the same platforms in 2012) And then I'd eventually get an actual Dreamcast in 2020, and play the original version of Sonic Adventure on it. (Would eventually receive a Dreamcast copy of Adventure 2 in early 2022 as a late Christmas present). So nowadays, my preferred way to play it tends to still be the PC version with Dreamcast mods. But if my Dreamcast is hooked up, then I'll play the Adventure duology on that too.

[@bencorrell]

I'll always be nostalgic for the Sold-Out Software DVD version for the PC. I still own it, but it's so scratched now that it's unusable 😂

[@SethLyons-wc3wd]

What about the PS3 and Xbox One versions of SA1?

[@Cifesk]

Same as PC

[@SethLyons-wc3wd]

@@Cifesk Huh, I wouldn't have guessed they would be that close. To be honest, I only cared about playing the Adventure games. Now I have both of them on PS3, to my surprise.

[@the757general2]

@@SethLyons-wc3wd HD console versions are the same broken shit as the 2004 PC port but even worse. Steam with mods is the only way to go.

[@videotape2959]

1:24:24 Is it? The Dreamcast release runs at 30 FPS with the fog while DX runs at 60 without it. If it was originally put in for performance reasons, it's totally irrelevant now.

[@Flare8295]

I have the DX version of this game and I remember only having to press the start button once to skip the cutscenes

[@ShootingStarNeo]

I’ve had the privilege of playing all three. Dreamcast version was my first game ever as a kiddo, then, one day, the console stopped being able to read the disc, and we never figured out why (I recall we tried cleaning/repairing the disc and so I always assumed it was a hardware issue? But looking back now, it seems more than likely it was damage to the disc and my parents just opted to gaslight us kids about it than buy a new copy and give me and my siblings more reasons to spend more time playing video games/fight over taking turns). So I pleaded to get the Gamecube just for the SA1/2 ports, then years later bought the PC Steam ports in college when I randomly missed the games and wanted to get into the Chao garden modding scene, lol. 1:19:00 I think I may have a theory about this, just from sheer observation and a lot of memories resurfacing thanks to the comparisons. I’d want to see more level comparisons in motion to confirm, but I get the feeling that changes like this were made in order for players to more easily be able to read what’s happening onscreen and react when Sonic’s going full speed. Less visual detail means less for the eye to have to process when it’s all zipping by, changes in palette and textures were made so Sonic is more easily differentiated from the background and the player never has to question where shadows on the character end and shadows in the background begin (especially since the loss in lighting on the character model means that Sonic is more consistently a shade of blue that nothing else in the environment is). I noticed in Sky Deck and Lost World as well that there’s a certain… _something_ in the lighting + fog effects that much more readily convey depth and distance of far away objects so the player’s eye isn’t getting lost in the background when they need to focus on what’s readily ahead of them. I’d bet that this is why some changes in areas like Twinkle Park’s opening portion were made too, to be less overwhelming to the eye. Now that I’ve noticed these comparisons, it may make for a really interesting project to do more in-depth analysis of how these choices in design affect the overall experience beyond technical complexity or aesthetic preference! Might file that one away for later.

[@toastrave7820]

Great video I'd love to Sonic Adventure 2 compared

[@sophiaetka22]

Flying off the stage on speed highway in the Sonic Adventure Dreamcast version drove me crazy. I got it on Xbox Series X, and went absolutely crazy.

[@videotape2959]

21:13 but both versions of the game go for the same look?

[@DevastationIndustries]

I have a very special copy of Sonic Adventure DX Director's Cut Player's Choice Edition for the Nintendo Gamecube. I have a video going over why it's important to me, and the wild little journey it we went on. However, it is not a story for the faint of heart or those with some triggers.

[@theshadmaster]

sa DX on the gamecube was my first sonic game actually, and while it has a special place in my heart. "and my shelf" now days I can appreciate a lot that was lost in the original dreamcast version more.

[@isaacmarshmallow8751]

Ice Cap also has one of the ramps moved to accommodate one of the challenges in mission mode. If you mod the PC to restore it to the original, this mission becomes impossible the traditional way using the 3 ramps to trick off.

[@ThessaTheCat]

Great video, even though this stuff definitely isn't news to me, I always love a good breakdown of niche Sonic minutiae. Thanks! While we're talking about SA1, apparently SA1 & 2 are being delisted from digital storefronts in Germany and Italy next month, along with a slew of other retro Sega games worldwide (SA1 & 2 are actually notable for being among the games in this group *not* being delisted in the USA, for example, while a bunch of other Sega games are). Sega only really seems to delist games when they have future plans related to the games they're delisting, so one can't help but wonder if they intend to re-release all of the above games in some new form soon. Whatever they do, hopefully it's better than the junk ports they had before!

[@videotape2959]

19:43 Speak for yourself. I like that look. I'm also a Doom fan and I always disabled anti-aliasing when the setting was present in GameCube games. I love sharpness.

[@martimswag]

Great video cifesk! do you wanna play sonic and mario olympics with me? I'll be Toad!

[@Cifesk]

grrrr...

[@videotape2959]

44:51 You can imagine that the rocks are hovering just above the water, or interpret the weird texture as being the sky like I do. Convincing? Just use your imagination lol, instead of relying on the game to think for you.

[@usernotfound40495]

The GameCube version was so badass as a kid. To me as a 6-7 year old kid it had so much depth and gameplay. I liked how you could roam around and each character had their own unique abilities like flight or weapons, and of course speed. It was always cool to find something new. It felt like a huge game. So freakin nostalgic. I still have my copy and hoping I can get a GameCube soon to play it again. Idc what people say this was so awesome back in the early 2000’s. Even better than the sonic games on Xbox. I later played the Dreamcast version when a kid at my babysitter brought it over and enjoyed that just as much. Of course to me the GameCube version was the best.

[@hypotheticaltapeworm]

Yeah I don't think the lighting is why people say this is a bad game. The levels and the missions therein are just... not very good? Not fun? People who defend this game always say "Sure, playing as Amy or Big is miserable but if you just ignore their bits, aka half the game, there's something REALLY good here!" Likewise, the camera is terrible. So many sections of the game are automated and the camera just does whatever it wants, making just moving around extremely disorienting. Speaking of, in the very first level, you can just break the game. Theres a loop-the-loop that, if you touch the analog stick at all during Sonic's run animation, he just goes flying. This was infamously part of the Game Grumps' playthrough, and people got mad at *them* for calling this out. HUH??? No, this is actually so easily replicable. Why would anyone assume control has been completely taken away in this section and that you're not supposed to move the stick. How is it not a demerit for the game to be unable to handle the very natural desire to want to move while going around on a loop-the-loop. The player is not the problem for the game doing that shit. Sonic fans are the greatest gaslighters, man. They act like it's nit humanly possible to dislike a game and come up with every excuse in the book, all the mental gymnastics to pretend like anyone disliking these games is some sort of psyop by KZbinrs who are too mean, or, I guess the lighting of ports of Sonic Adventure. Hate to break it to you, but the Dreamcast version of the game having a temple that pulsates orange instead of being a flat orange doesn't make the game any better. The worst part of it, the gameplay, isn't much changed between versions, now is it?

[@GlitchSpeedrunnerTrevor]

What each version says about you Dreamcast: You're a retro gamer and played the New Year's DLC before the new century begins. Gamecube: You're a Nintendo player, but you still enjoy the blue hedgehog. You still wish it made it to Switch though PC: You're a hardcore gamer, and play the games like they would on either the Dreamcast or Gamecube via downloaded mods. No matter what version you choose, you are still a big fan of the blue blur. One may have grown up from either a Dreamcast or Gamecube and got to experience it again on PC. Play whatever version as no matter what console or PC you use, you are still supporting the Sonic franchise in anyway.

[@chane2k1]

What software is being used at 22:25? It looks super useful for ADX.

[@videotape2959]

28:47 Why do I still hear it?

[@Zelielz1]

You forgot to highlight how different Sonic looks, because of the number of polygons? You can now literally see the fingers…

[@zy2239]

So what you are saying is that I should play og dreamcast games on OG hardware ??? Serious question by the way ! ❤

[@yousefslimani99]

TBH I’m familiar with the DX version and I don’t have any issues with it and I never encountered any bugs or glitches when I played it on PC so yeah I’ll stick with the pc version instead

[@jaceybella1267]

You can mod the PC version if you're ever interested in experiencing the game a different way, from small bug fixes and tweaks to full conversions that make it exactly like the Dreamcast version. So technically, with the PC port you have the version that can be every version!

[@yousefslimani99]

@ I already know about this! It seems that everyone who plays the pc version they should install these mods first that you’ve mentioned them

[@Skylancer727]

I mean no matter what you should still use mods on PC as the game by default doesn't support wide screen. At that point you can toggle between DC and DX settings in most mod loaders so you can just try both and see which you like. Like he showed you can even mix things like the new models and old textures, new models and textures with old lighting, etc.

[@yousefslimani99]

@ well I’m not too familiar with sa mods, does it also improve audio quality like voices, sounds and even the music?

[@Skylancer727]

@yousefslimani99 I used a mod called Better SADX that started by replacing all audio files in the game, though I don't know if it does that anymore. That version I used was really old and now requests you download a new mod loader instead. I don't know if does the same thing since I already had the old patch. I will say that mod was pretty painless. I even saw the new mod loader doesn't even need to know your folder location, it finds it on it's own and even linked immediately for SA2 as well.

[@FSAPOJake]

Sonic Adventure really was much better-looking than DX, but I can think of ONE thing DX did better - the Mystic Ruins waterfall (1:33:58). Looks much much better in DX, but ONLY the Gamecube version. I actually made a mod for the PC version 10-ish years ago that fixes the PC version's bright water, but it still doesn't look as good as the Gamecube version. Oh, and I think the chao gardens are better in DX, especially Station Square. I made a mod to fix the water in the PC version of those too, about 10 years ago. That's about it.

[@nikkeli3942]

Playing the steam version right now. I have only one question about the mod. Does it fix or atleast improve the camera?

[@videotape2959]

42:00 Sorry, are you talking about the Windows releases? Because, even with all of their flaws, calling them "bad-looking games" seems like an absurd exaggeration. Bad-looking when compared to the Dreamcast and GameCube releases, maybe.

[@norso]

2:05:07 how did you get sonic adventure working on the vita? Ive tried and it just keeps crashing past the title screen :(

[@Cifesk]

I just followed the guide on GitHub I think? I don't remember but I do remember having issues before switching to 3.65 ensō, so I recommend doing so if you haven't

[@norso]

@@Cifesk I already did that

[@Cifesk]

@@norso that's strange. Is your Flycast / SA1 ROM corrupted? Or both? Do you have the necessary plugins installed?

[@norso]

@@Cifesk I installed all the plugins but I could try another sonic adventure rom

[@norso]

@@Cifesk I managed to get it working due to someone on reddit sharing their settings with me

[@beelzeboss42]

I think I'm having Mandela Effect but does anyone remember that elevator in the back of the Egg Carrier swimming pool that doesnt have the platform? I remember as a kid it warps you to a different colour Egg Carrier, please oh please tell me someone has seen this, i can't be crazy right?

[@jenniferrussell8406]

Yo it was on the PC?! I thought i knew everything about this game!

[@Tesstarossa51]

Hope you do and SA2 version of this as well