Cindy Herron Braggs and Terry Ellis tells their side of the En Vogue saga Part 2

[@bryancee5150]

They won the battle but lost the war because at the end of the day, nobody wants to see part of EnVogue, they want to see all of the original members together.

[@vivalafonz]

Bryan Cee but thats the problem, dawn and maxine are being petty about the break up. I want the original 4 back together badly but dawn and maxine would have to be on board

[@everything.e.elliotttv2472]

ScumbagGames I would have to disagree, it’s about the bag! They have families and Dawn and Maxine want the rightful due!

[@knightd12]

And especially these two, they were nothing but backups.

[@justachill]

Bryan Cee I could put it no BETTER cuz your right!

[@brendakeys7306]

@@knightd12 you got to be joking they were never back up singers they were the VOICE of the group please don't ever say that about TERRY AND CINDY THEY CAN SAAAAAAANNNNG CAN YOU

[@vnote1970]

If all 4 of them ever get back together I will buy concert tickets and the CD. If they do not I will just listen to the old stuff. SAD :(frown

[@antnyiz2]

As a true fan I follow the group whoever is singing in there. True fans fighting over a reunion of the original which will probably never happen and support them regardless. They have good and bad on all post “Dawn” En Vogue and “Maxine” En Vogue. So why didn’t fans support Dawn when she first left? So petty...

[@unigenius]

So did you get Electric Cafe? Because, honestly, it's a good album!

[@esseen100]

Terry won't bring up her relationship with Densil Foster, one of their producers. That always causes problems. Ask TLC.

[@vantablack4183]

and Xscape

[@wcwn3632]

The real issue: En Vogue never existed as a cohesive group to begin! Terry was getting ducked by Denzil Foster (major producer of En Vogue) and was enjoying the lifestyle and benefits of the producer's lifestyle (his cars, mansion, fortune, etc). Moreover, Terry got to exercise her solo options first (perk of being ducked by the producer I'm sure). Then there's Cindy who was already in a stable situation with her rich pro-baseball husband Glenn Braggs. So, financially and realistically, Terry and Cindy were all set to continue in the group. Maxine was single, got married, had a baby, then got divorced. So she is the sole earner again. No solo career. No fringe benefits from ducking the producer, etc. Enter Dawn. Same deal, no second-income-earning husband (at that time 1997) and her solo deal was trumped for the "EV4" album that became "EV3." Okay people, these are just facts not alternative facts. These 4 women will attest to these facts because they happened. Sylvia Rhone erred when she decided NOT to pursue Dawn's solo album contemporaneously with Terry's (or some short time thereafter). That music recorded for Dawn's album has never been heard by the public... Main point: Dawn and Maxine were justified in how they decided to depart; their positions and plights are separate and different from Cindy's and Terry's. I do believe Terry holds Dawn responsible for the failure and downfall of EN Vogue in the late 1990s when she (Terry) needs to appreciate how Dawn and Maxine felt instead of, as she states above, "...that doesn't exist." No empathy ever.

[@MelodyMaker151]

This is what I have told people for years ... it has been so many years that people forget Terry was involved with him. As you said, she was reaping those benefits and Cindy was in a stable marriage/family situation pretty much from the start. It's all about perspective.

[@Nike5221]

Christian Grey what you said is sooo true! Basically, Cindy and Terry were fine with contracts they had. Dawn believed they deserved more than what they earned and that’s there principal of all of the problems

[@tyruseaves6569]

After seeing everything, what you said makes a lot of sense!!!! So sad!

[@BabySwearWords]

MelodyMaker151 cause if you’re eating no matter what, you literally don’t have the hunger to fight.

[@BloodyMaori]

Not the real issue. This is your opinion. Stick to the facts.

[@nyctravis3381]

as a fan -- this is so painful to hear

[@georgeking4730]

YES, I LOVE THEM DAMN IT...YES LET'S DO A REALITY SHOW

[@BodyByKymXclusive]

Nyc travis YES, IT IS.

[@jamestorti1734]

The other two had a problem with money. This is the tlc story again. as you notice these two dont talk about the pennies that they were paid, the other two does talk about it. They say a paycheck beats no paycheck. The other two says that they wanted to be paid what they were worth. Look at the other side of the story and you may understand the full picture.

[@TheHoneyboy11]

+James Torti I agree

[@lilliann3523]

YES!!!

[@rosieazatyan5923]

James Torti well these two were married to a football player and Teri was dating or married to one of their producers so for them not a biggie still had nice houses, cars, vacations etc. Dawn n Max did have money outside of music which they were getting 2 pennies off of each album. I’m mean they were making millions but they had to pay off designers, hair, makeup, limos, lawyers, managers etc. pretty much everything then say $200k is left divide by four $50k each which is chump change while everyone else is making 6-7 figures and living large on curtesy of EnVogue. But back then it happened to a lot of Artists TLC, Toni Braxton, *NSYNC, Easy-E and Dr.Dre and most of Death Row artists. Not so much now because artists heard all the stories so now every word is read on the contracts, hire their own lawyers and not one that’s their managers or record labels lawyer get their own accountant. They do background check look at the reviews online I mean they can do so much to secure but back in the 80s 90s to 2005 couldn’t do much plus they were young, naive and trusted the ppl around them not knowing their out there busting their asses off and the leaches are sucking them dry.

[@derrickhobbs4115]

James Torti I love terry and Cindy but hell naw it’s all about the money . When terry says she’s trying to just take care of her family I need to see the checks coming in as receipts !

[@garywilliams9012]

10 yrs later since interview and the ladies are touring and generating a demand even with just half of the original members…..that’s a testament of how great all four of the women were in en vogue

[@damnnative3188]

💯 Great perspective.

[@jkeilyndesmond9560]

If Xscape can get back together with all messiness they had going on I know En Vogue can try one more time

[@brianellison2042]

The difference between En Vogue mess and Xscape mess is that En Vogue disagreed from a business perspective where as Xscape disagreed from a personal perspective.

[@marquiswilliams485]

Hell SWV too

[@TheThonieLee]

@@brianellison2042 and also Xscape grew up and went to school together so they were friends first. En Vogue auditioned for this group and didn’t know each other before. Even though they had good chemistry they still didn’t know each other before they started singing together like Xscape did.

[@wcwn3632]

@@brianellison2042 Nope. It was business fraud and theft. LaTocha stole Tamika's money.

[@7mandoblu]

Terry and Cindy had it good financially while in the group. For Dawn and Maxine, this was their livelihoods. Dawn spoke out and she got kicked out for standing up.

[@damnnative3188]

Dawn quit because she couldn't wait 2 years. She had a 'promising' solo career that culminated in an album that sold 12 copies? 🙄

[@stacyr4768]

According to Dawn, Terry was struggling.

[@deborahyisrael5258]

@@stacyr4768 Terry was struggling financially?

[@stacyr4768]

@@deborahyisrael5258 Yes , they only received .02 cents per album and they all stayed is low class apartments. According to Dawn .

[@thegospeloutlet2000]

Terry and Cindy had a dream to become stars and they were blessed to be stars! You expected them to walk away from their dream because Dawn and Max decided to walk away…?

[@keepsit100atalltime9]

Right. I don't blame they, it's like they were cheated out of so much but they still kept the legacy going.

[@mokahgirl5165]

Dawn expected them to stick together as a group to get paid their worth. Cindy purportedly was in better financial shape so the passion to fight was not the same. Also, it's been reported that Terri had something going on with the producer (and may be that's why she got to record her solo album) so perhaps that's why didn't want to fight. I wouldn't say they are "stars". Together they could've been "beyonce" status.

[@ceeceetracey9839]

Right!! This is what I try to explain to people who say Terry and Cindy didnt care about the money because the men in their lives had money. Thats BS. Terry, Cindy, Dawn and Maxine HAD A DREAM. They were young, ambitious and VERY talented and they arent going to drop their hopes and dreams for a man.

[@Housee01]

Dawn was right that they deserved more than $0.02 an album per person. She was right to not want to sign that contract again for another 2 years

[@carolineneisha]

Maybe at the time. But Dawn now has a pattern of being unable to commit, compromise (you always have to at least a bit when dealing with anyone over anything), and manage her money well. She criticises Terry and Cindy’s business sense, but who stays booked and busy, earning and having a good time? Sometimes you have to play the long game and keep your priorities straight.

[@wcwn3632]

Artists get paid in 3 ways: shows, albums, merchandise. The 360 deal En Vogue had with Atlantic/Elektra had them making most of their money from shows. Once the album sells declined naturally, the shows. .. MUST GO ON to bring in cash-flow. To Dawn's point in one of her 9,000 interviews, she said she approached Cindy, Maxine and Terry about acquiring and releasing merch, but then the 360 Deal has Atlantic/Elektra and Tommy and Denny getting 70% of the revenue. DAWN WAS RIGHT in that they needed a newer contract from the 360 deal they signed in 1989. I would be ready to bust a cap in somebody's ass too, as Dawn told it lol.

[@benfoldsfiveforever]

Exactly and as for the shows, their manager contractually set them up touring with Luther Vandross and knowing how he treated Anita Baker, they were so desperate for money that they were willing to take that offer? WHILE CINDY WAS PREGNANT? Something definitely wasn’t right financially. Poor management all around, so unfortunate

[@CocoaButtahRecords]

Theres always two sides of every story. A reality show is too low brow for EnVogue.

[@takietareyes1954]

Agreed

[@wilsonialanglois4907]

I agree!

[@ChrisP3000x]

There are never 2 sides to any story.

[@KelzG1]

This is how LADIES conduct themselves during an interview discussing a disagreement involving other women. No name calling, no cursing, no shade throwing...just an articulate and insightful dialogue that covers the events that occurred. Very classy...I love them even more !!

[@Debbie_George]

Cindy and Terry are so classy, unlike the radio hostesses.

[@LEGENDPantherJennings]

Ikr

[@musicguy9101]

I agree! Damn! The girls interviewing them are so damn messy!!!!!

[@poerava]

You ain’t lying. This host is nasty

[@rickypleasantjr3503]

I think the hostesses are classy and bold , the hosts know that it's not right that Maxine got kicked out, that's what really happened, listen to Maxine's interview, the producer, the one Terry I think dated had a lot to do with it. But I love the hosts because not once did they down Dawn or Max, actually they trying get the group back together. No offense,but to me that's classy!!!!!! And I end by saying,Cindy & Terry congratulations on ur battle win but the war is lost. We the fans grew up on ENVOGUE, went to college thru ENVOGUE and until the original ENVOGUE comes back, the million dollar platinum sales won't come ..The war is lost. Examples Don't Let Go, the group's biggest hit 1.8 million copies sold, The lead vocalist: Dawn Robinson, My Lovin' lead vocalists Maxine Jones and Dawn Robinson, Whatta Man with Salt n Pepa lead vocals Dawn Robinson, Giving him something he can feel- Dawn Robinson. The Grammy nominated song Give it up, turn it loose,-Maxine Jones on lead entirely. Get the picture

[@wcwn3632]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loni_Love

[@Kamala_b]

This saga is an Unsung episode.... 2 hours long

[@wcwn3632]

2 hours? 2 days and a mini series. Good Lord these women hate each other!

[@benfoldsfiveforever]

The problem is I don’t think they hate each other. If business, legalities and outside forces were not in the way and if they were paid what they were worth, they would still be together, because deep down they did get along. This was from Dawn and Cindy’s words in separate interviews

[@melissacassell]

Yes Unsung need to do a whole hour on En Vogue. God forgives why can't they.

[@TeenaDavis101]

Terry just seems like she'll sell out for the money. In pervious interviews that's her bottom line 🤣🤣🤣

[@showingoutwithzen2530]

I've always believed Terry was the real problem; especially because she was dating one of the producers at the time.

[@damnnative3188]

@@showingoutwithzen2530 Can you speak to the impact that had on the group, or do you go around repeating things you know nothing about?

[@garywilliams9012]

Seems… like she uses wisdom in decision making….. she from south park/sunny side in Houston tx…. When you come from nothing ….you learn how to overcome your obstacles instead of letting them stop you.

[@elishab4506]

That sounds like Loni Love in the back ground

[@soulchild61]

Mannnn!!!! This is painful, but these 2 are class acts! The other two say it was the fact that they All were not paid their worth!

[@GILady86]

Cindy and Terry look so young. It is sad that the group slit again. Maxine made a terrible mistake.

[@ministermadden]

as a male Envouge fan this is so disappointing All 4 women are still Blessed with beauty,brains and endless talent and they still can't get it together.

[@Ornacia29]

These radio hosts are trippin they act like they know french aria 😂😂

[@musicguy9101]

Messy asses!

[@bsa2506]

Dawn Robinson didnt make it in Lucy Pearl EITHER and she NEVER did a solo album it must be her??

[@damnnative3188]

She did release a solo alum and then she told fans not to buy it. Dawn's other talents include signing bad contracts and blaming others for her lack of due diligence.

[@shicruisin7004]

Soooooo.....for every $1mill that the music company made off of their talent, each girl rcvd only $20,000?!?! That's disgusting! I'm with Dawn & Maxine on this one. These other two are obviously not that good at math. Or, they're content to be doormats. Without this group's talent & hard work, their music company wouldn't have had squat! Vultures. Good that Dawn walked. Sad for us, but I'm glad she didn't let them continue to rob her so shamelessly.

[@sawleo]

With Terry playing hanky panky with one of the producers, she could not think of her own best interest beyond the bed. Dawn and Maxine dealt with the issue with an eye to business. Terry and Cindy failed to ever address this from a business standpoint.

[@BloodyMaori]

sawleo sawleo Bullshit. Terrys solo album had nothing to do with her relationship at the time. Negotiations for what would have been the third En Vogue album took years to work out, plus Cindy & Maxine became mothers. Dawn also had a solo album deal. When Sylvia Rhone made the decision to put the En Vogue ahead of Dawns solo album - Dawn was upset.

[@saltwatercb]

You are right on, Sawleo. I understand the girls' desire to be loyal to Foster & McElroy since those two gents were the ones who created the group, wrote the songs, and crafted the sound, but on the other hand, McElroy & Foster should have demonstrated their loyalty to these four women since it was their particular talents as singers and performers, as well as their charisma, beauty and style, which brought the concept to life and created a connection with the audience and record-buying public. The way McElroy & Foster could have demonstrated that loyalty was to voluntarily back the women in a renegotiated contract in light of the massive worldwide success the group experienced with the second album. Dawn has said that each member was only making TWO CENTS on the dollar for every album or single sold going into the third album--that is obscenely low for artists who had reached their level of success. Only 8% of the pie. They clearly deserved a higher percentage, and I don't think it's a coincidence that once this issue could not be resolved between the quartet, the producer duo, and the label, the lack of a unified front damaged the prospects of success for everyone involved. They would never earn another Top Ten song on the Hot 100 and would be essentially irrelevant altogether within three years. And this is not about greed on Dawn and Maxine's part; rather, it's about a fair wage in the most basic sense of the phrase. Lastly, if it's true that Terry was having a romantic relationship with the one of the producers during this turmoil I can only imagine how that created further and substantial conflict, as her allegiances would be compromised.

[@freeekinsane]

And rightfully so, Dawn was thrown under the bus - TWICE. First for having her album scrapped and for trying to get ALL the girls paid their worth. Terri's album was before all this mess. Dawn was on the path to a solo album in 2001...years after Terri's solo debut. Dawn waited 6, 7 years only to be placed on the back burner again. So that makes three times thrown under the bus. She had many reasons to be pissed.

[@Support4MySingers]

Dawn stated that Sylvia only said no to Dawn's solo album simply because Terri's had failed. Dawn said Terri's solo work had nothing to do with what she was doing so it was completely unfair. Dawn wanted to do a solo album and En Vogue but Sylvia gave her an ultimatum and Dawn did not want anyone controlling them again so she left! Sylvia made a stupid decision.

[@seansartor]

It's the LOVE of money, that's the root of all evil

[@cookieh4407]

They have so much class. I miss these entertainers that are about art, class, and sincerity.

[@tierrajohnson8031]

I am team Cindy and Terry. I love Maxine and Dawn, but I didn't like how they got on twitter and bashed Cindy and Terry. Only young girls do that mess! Not grown ass women! Cindy and Terry handled this interview with class, and I will continue to support them, but I would definitely like to see the original four get back together.

[@ceeceetracey9839]

That's the bottom line for me

[@A_J___]

I've heard a few interviews where both sides explain what happened. BOTH sides (Cindy/Terri V. Max/Dawn) present compelling and common sense arguments. Even in this interview, it seems like the issue was simple and everything they are saying makes sense. The thing is , both sides feel like the other is being ridiculous for doing what they did. Cindy/Terri say it is ridiculous that the others wouldn't show up for paid work because they didn't like the manager. Dawn/Max say Cindy/Terri are ridiculous for not re-negotiating better business terms(better more deserving pay,etc.) for the level of group they were at the time and were happy working for less than they were worth. Both arguments make sense. Cindy/Terri were happy with how the BUSINESS was ALWAYS done from the beginning. Max and Dawn were not happy with the BUSINESS felt like things needed to CHANGE and should be making more money. To their credit, we all know how lopsided music industry contracts can be and payouts to artists. Cindy/Terri were fine getting paid what they were used to and Max/Dawn were not.

[@ConsciousFBA]

I hate the media, they always seem to want to see black women, hell black people in general at each others necks. We don't want to see En Vogue fighting, we love them just the way they are. Now, Dawn and Maxine, get your shit together because it's not the same without y'all. Come on ladies, show these stupid people that black queens can bounce back.

[@slwb91]

I'm missing you all together as a group...The 4 Funky Divas!!!!

[@soluxx2759]

I love how classy and professional these ladies are, and the interviewers seem like shit to stir up drama, its obvious that they dont want drama, but to just make money and have a good time doing it, theyre chemistry is bangin, i hope they do reunite

[@LEGENDPantherJennings]

EnVogue is very classy I miss them

[@Cats_paws]

in m..Hola

[@derricknregina]

So Luxx these two have always been close.

[@musicguy9101]

The interviewers are some messy ass heifers!

[@rickypleasantjr3503]

I disagree the interviewers did their job, trying get the family back together ,how is that shit starters. Cudos to Mocha Cafe and Loni Love

[@mrmjking_]

I hope they all come back together bc the interviewers were right! There are so many groups that were out when they were and now they’re nowhere to be found.

[@Eriq7001]

Correct

[@princess17257]

is it a chick thing? -I say "no." there are a lot of guy groups that had drama & broke up: the temptations, blackstreet, backstreet boys, N sync, B2k, G-unit, the Jackson 5 etc. Gender has little to do with it. It has more to do with the fact that having different personalities together sometimes begin to clash, especially when the industry and money is involved...

[@SlavomirG]

yes. for me clearly women left in original en vogue have far more submissive personalities and the other half more dominant and independent personalities. each of the sides is right on their own principles and needs. so the split was inevitable.

[@dionneking8]

ILoveME #NoTime4FairyTalez back street boys don't have problem

[@knmlover]

BSB haven’t broken up

[@humptydumpty5921]

In 1990s they were really young and dumb while singing about being strong and fierce while their producer boyfriend (Terry) was getting rich but in 2013 no reason for women to be dumb about that coin.

[@Bozmusic1]

To say could it be a chick thing is an insult to women. It's just a business disagreement. Unfortunate yes,. But it happens all the time with music groups.

[@zero5car667]

This is heartbreaking...

[@Bananadiva1]

It's such a shame how the machinations of the music industry destroys friendships. Dawn has always said that they made a wonderful combination and they were great friends. All 4 are great singers but it all started going wrong when Max, Terry and Cindy stood by silent and let their record label throw Dawn out. The dynamic changed and it was never quite the same.

[@BloodyMaori]

That is Dawn’s side of the story that you’re repeating.

[@Bananadiva1]

@@BloodyMaori And Max's too!

[@DiamondStylz]

Dawn and Maxine had a problem with the money....... not Terry and Cindy.....

[@esmis.s.4268]

Yap! It looks like they wanted to grow as a group too and the other party was happy 'as is'! That seems to have been the major issue.

[@lilliann3523]

They were making 2 cents each on the dollar. Cindy & Terry had financially stable relationships and didn't need for a roof over their heads as opposed to Maxine & Dawn ...

[@millbillkillbill165]

You really think $0.02 on the dollar is Fair? Those girls should have been taken better care of.. They went triple platinum if you have a group that goes triple platinum you've got to keep them happy it's not going to hurt to give them extra money... especially when you already got over on them anyway

[@lilliann3523]

+millbill killbill Hell no. That was my point, it was a slaves wage and those 2 not wanting to renegotiate are the reason they split

[@millbillkillbill165]

Lilli Ann​ yea that's fucked up.. There are women out there right now that can't sing a lick... They just shake their ass... They get a the right deal.. But they screw over people with Talent... Like Mary J Blige and Rihanna....... Rihanna can't hold a candle to her vocals,,, but Mary J Blige don't shake her ass and talk about sex this sex that.... How to make it hurt more? these people in this generation would really say Rihanna's way better than her

[@mobshit7048]

Is Loni Love one of the interviewers?, because that sure sounds like her voice

[@sikhumbuzolukashe4431]

sadly that Cindy says, all she wanted was to work and look after her family. All other things did not matter to her, and throwing hands to display a no care attitude about any other things. But, in the same vain when money issues were raised by other group members Dawn and Maxx they never supported the matter. How was she gonna look after her family if En Vogue members were not making enough money. Unless they Terry and Cindy were in cahoots with producers and managers. They are really not coming forth with truth. I see why the other two were lost respect for them and dropped their names. They seem not to know what broke their group but, in same vain they dismiss anything thing that caused the breakaway in the group. That's where they are lying. That is not being classy but, its being disrespectful to others. Its being a liar yet to bolster your image.

[@tribe1964]

I agree with you I looked up their net worth and they say that her net worth is 5 million the others are not listed the producers screwed them over just like a lot of the great singers from the 90s. I think they should get back together like Cindy said but Terry doesn't sound to forgiving it's like she was paid so there wasn't a problem and that is wrong.I still love her though I saw them perform and it was better in person this was before Maxine left.

[@lindachepleting7602]

The interviewer sounds like Loni Love! 😍

[@seniorpz1969]

Nothing good lasts forever, so they say....but DAMMIT! BREAK THE CYCLE!

[@morpheusmann]

I LOVE THEM ALL...THIS IS SO SAD!!!

[@humptydumpty5921]

In 2011 there is absolutely no reason why these women were not able to negotiate a better contract to get more money. In 1990s you did all of that work for pennies while everyone else got rich but today "ain't nobody got time to be Toni Braxton". Max and Dawn were right to leave.

[@Vwjl1207]

The record companies ripped them off, as did the writers of most of their songs.

[@yolandahines1094]

The interviewer is petty. She startin unnecessary mess...

[@reginadeniseclarke7660]

They Was All Like Sisters.

[@SpinDoctor91]

I wish they all could put aside there differences and come together again there all so talented all there forces combined there so good but i know its not always that easy. Always been a fan

[@GyrlBlaque]

Is that Long Love's voice

[@aleathacoleman6413]

I don't know anything about the twitter rant. I do believe you are noy getting paid what you are worth you have every right to walk. No one should get butt hurt about someone leaving if you are happy with your pay. Everyone of them should have the right to the En Vogue name since they were the original members. However, I know legally this may not be how things work. They should try to work things out and admit fault on both sides. I personally will not be watching or listening to any replacement members if the make new music.

[@thejoojooman6538]

This is a sad st8 of affairs, from both 'sides'. Should have took the time 2 change their management & recording deals. Would have been better in the long run. Now there is beef & THE BEST FEMALE VOCAL GROUP OF ALL TIME is left in our memories. SAD!!!!!G.I.T.

[@shatoctgabey7]

bro your right its management not the group and record deal reason do that

[@riverhigh4092]

U CAN NEVER BREAK A DAWN ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ .

[@secreteobsession3584]

I see that these two ladies a very classy and lovely and I can see that they didn't want to split up but as Dawn was saying she don't like working for peanuts and to me what I'm seeing as these two girls really did it more for passion and just accepted what they were paid for and I think if your son in platinum albums you should be paid right not like another TLC contract and I can see what Dawn was on about that they were not willing to fight for the amount they were worth to meet just look like they like the fame the travelling and performing but not been paid right.

[@Clemsonshawty]

actually I don't think she was ego tripping, I think she wanted to be paid fairly (just like any platinum artist would want)

[@garywilliams9012]

It was her ego

[@zeebo8965]

i still for the life of me cant fathom how swv stayed united while en vogue had a huge fallout.... i kinda thought it would be the other way round...

[@umamizaddy]

swv are tight and have deep chemistry. Envogue were just four cashiers at the same grocery store. Know what i mean?

[@zeebo8965]

hmm... i followed both groups thruout the 90s and if u watch the interviews ev was always polite and poised and never gave the impression of inhouse fighting... swv on the otherhand were quite rough around the edges and the tension was thick from time to time....

[@umamizaddy]

@@zeebo8965 swv kept it real, their struggles and turmoils kept each other in check. Ev on the other hand were always incompatible w conflict, the fact that they communicated only through emails shows their lack of chemistry behind the scenes.

[@zeebo8965]

ok point taken.... i didnt know that about ev... i guess your right cos swv could clown each other and have a gd laugh about it rivht then and there... ev arent that way inclined... i was completely heart broken when i learnt of maxines bankrupcy... she was hands down my fav

[@luluzulu8947]

They are so lovely ladies x

[@stevenjames6766]

How about we starting a paypal account or that other one. And help collectively with the pay of the other women. We need good music. God knows good singing. Lets not the evil greedy no real music industry, deny us our God given joy. A couple million collectively. And they have more than 2million fans world wide easily. A dollar a fan. Think about it. Thats the issue. They refuse to up their money with their success. How would you feel. Terry n Cindy was ok. The other two wasnt. Both decisions understandable. Its their choice. And their right. To choose. But they shouldnt have/had to. So lets bail em out and give them joy so they can give us even greater joy. In so many ways. A win win for every fan that starving for a good live performances. Via pure talent.

[@uanonymous1090]

Sounds like Loni love in the back ground is it?

[@jrah22]

Is that LONI LOVE as the host?

[@orralandathomas791]

Terry and Cindy beg to differ. Were and always will be the power voices. Maxine and Dawn tried solo and it went so low. Lol

[@bernardallen6775]

Sad Sad To win Still a lost the original Will never be replaced I pray one day y’all Will get back the originals Featuring Rhonda And call it a day See traditional blue skies

[@hoodbeatz8067]

I like them better with all of the originals.That's just My opinion though

[@VODtheMovie]

I wanna find out what REALLY happened. What really went down.

[@TheHoneyboy11]

It good to have a job but the fact is that many jobs in USA and the WORLD under pay people in all fields look at fast food, look at retail look at women are still under paid in all areas

[@shicruisin7004]

Correct. And that's why JOB stands for Just Over Broke!

[@Kevin198898]

En Vogue You Don't Have To Worry Remix Extended there is no other thats worth the trouble!

[@gabbymommie2]

The interviewers are taking their side and not being objective and just pulling out the information. That's so unfortunate.

[@photoggavalli5087]

BUT Terry if everyone is not getting paid evenly or producers have control its not good for the group. LET IT GO ! I'm sure none of yall got the money you deserved

[@JLPerryTV]

they should be singing "Hold On to your Money", because if their new EV project flops, that will probably be end of them.

[@slimsxyblkwoman]

Believe me girl, I DO understand, lol.

[@dazjah00]

I love them .. very classy

[@MoSvivor]

She looks better than Halle. I remember as a little boy, I would watch EnVogue & STARE at Cindy. LoLoLoL

[@sagehiphop]

They all have always conducted themselves like this its just business I've seen videos of them together backstage or traveling to shows they act like sisters they just all need to be united to get the business side right that's why dawn left the two times they are making money but not what they deserve to be making and in 2011 the three signed a bad recording contract

[@ralphsmith1720]

But y'all solo project was a bust for both of you. Y'all should be running back to be together. I'm sure they know that they are better together than apart

[@da12nvmp]

coming to a common ground on mangement

[@Ornacia29]

Wait a minute! Did Cindy just say she a Gran Mama?!

[@WhoIsNeek]

loni love in the background!

[@ceeceetracey9839]

I agree with Terry. U got to go to work and get a pay check, maintain your livelihood and take care of yourself and your family. I worked a job for 22 years where a few bosses couldnt stand me but I was making good money, I was good at my job and I enjoyed the job. I wasnt making anywhere near as much money as En Vogue. Saying all of that to say the two missing links need to get it together. There's big bucks in the four originals being together. Fans want them together and they want new music. We're here for it. Stop playing. None of us are getting any younger.

[@keepsit100atalltime9]

I'm still trying to figure out how Dawn, who claimed to be so broke, was able to rent a studio that she say was used to do the Lucy Pearl album, yet couldn't pay her mortgage

[@ceeceetracey9839]

@@keepsit100atalltime9 😄 When was this?

[@keepsit100atalltime9]

@@ceeceetracey9839 It was on one of the many interviews she did last year. If I can find it I'll drop the link.

[@ceeceetracey9839]

@@keepsit100atalltime9 thanks

[@keepsit100atalltime9]

@@ceeceetracey9839 I found the video. I'll leave the link kzbin.info/www/bejne/onfagJJ8oreeqqc

[@prenticeone]

damn they still fine!!!!

[@ChampLeads]

I'm happy the host checked Terry. come on now you saying a whole lot of nothing!!!!

[@betcamus]

Team Terry-Cindy-Rhona all the way, baby!!

[@BloodyMaori]

YEAH!

[@Kevin198898]

i do hope the group reunites

[@Lorenshyne]

Finally someone sum clever divas that say they wont give their names on a shitty reality tv series.

[@CodyCole80]

It would be nice but I seriously doubt it. There's been too much bloodshed.

[@wesgriffin6081]

Dawn is a vocal beast but it seems something's not right with her ....bad work ethics, showing up late or not at all, substance, cockiness, because she doesn't seem to have any solo stability or staying power with any group. Even though her agreement was perform/collaborate 1 year with Lucy Pearl. her departure with them was abrupt as if there was some underlying problem with her. She and Maxine are no longer together. Even though Dawn is a great vocalist, WHY ? WHY? hasn't her solo career taken off ?

[@Lorenshyne]

Is Terry Lesbian?

[@garywilliams9012]

Does it matter?

[@marvinnelson8839]

Terry is full of shit what happen was they had a bad deal dawn and Maxine challenged the deal due to them not getting money so they got dropped them and Cindy was later dropped so the gag is terry 1st solo album was released but it was actually an envogue album that she later went back in and recorded alone

[@benfoldsfiveforever]

Wait this is huge if this is true. Where did you get this info?

[@src3360]

Arent these two the back up singers??

[@damnnative3188]

The 'back-up singers' that own their houses. The 'back-up singers' that sang lead on their first #1 hit. The 'back-up singers' that continue to generate revenue. Try again, Miss Salty.

[@src3360]

@@damnnative3188 I didnt say they were poor lol

[@damnnative3188]

@@src3360 You don't know the difference between and lead and background singer either.

[@Couture426]

THESE HASBEENS!!!!

[@poerava]

Less be real here right now. Dawn is the anchor of en vogue. Facts

[@damnnative3188]

Putting the word ‘facts’ anywhere in a sentence does not make said point a ‘fact.’ Fact: Dawn Robinson signed 4 bad contracts. Fact: Dawn Robinson released 1 solo album, that she later told fans NOT to buy. Fact: Dawn Robinson has not released an album since. Fact: Dawn Robinson currently lives with her Mom. Fact: Dawn Robinson has quit En Vogue so many times, she’s become a laughing stock in the music industry.

[@damnnative3188]

@Angel Johnson 1) Terry dated one of the producers. That doesn’t explain why Dawn failed as a solo artist. 2) Cindy never dated the groups producers. 3) Boy, bye.

[@damnnative3188]

@Angel Johnson Name calling. How original. 🤣 Thank you for outing yourself as less knowledgeable on the subject. Boy, bye.

[@damnnative3188]

@Angel Johnson Yes. You should keep demonstrating your lack of intellect and evidence. Boy, bye.

[@damnnative3188]

@Angel Johnson If you keep trying to change the subject, it has the opposite effect. It highlights your lack of knowledge about the subject rendering any opinion of yours useless.

[@mdot100]

Damn, can Cindy complete a sentence without stuttering? man....

[@retstamuv]

terry reminds me of letoya luckett or vise/versa

[@reginadeniseclarke8358]

I Hope Your Make Up. Your Was Like Sisters.

[@TheBbtlegit]

It's was about the money. That's why Dawn left all of the touring and nothing to show for it the management was making all the money.

[@jpreddy3665]

See.. but they didn't write or produce! Then add the cost of clothes and hair styling of 4 women. They had to be in the negative after all that.

[@TheBbtlegit]

+Jp Reddy I agree when you don't write or produce. That's how you get screwed.

[@shicruisin7004]

+Jp Reddy I disagree. Out of every million they make, they get (collectively) only R80,000. Before tax is deducted. Each girl would get less than $20,000. That leaves $920,000 for the music company. Hair, makeup, etc, etc, doesn't cost anywhere near that. They were being robbed blind.

[@Support4MySingers]

True, but Britney Spears does none of that and she makes millions each year. The girls were being underpaid and Dawn mentioned it and only Max said "I agree". Terri only cared about paying her bills and she was making enough to do that while also dating a rich producer who had enough money to give her, her very own solo album. Cyndi was married to a rich sports star. Both Terri and Cyndi were well looked after money wise, so En Vogue to them was just about getting to sing and make a few extra dollars but for Dawn and Max it was a lot of work and a lot of hours with shit pay and no husband or BF to support them like the other two had. Terri and Cyndi felt everything was fine for them...but it was Dawn and Max who were getting screwed and Dawn basically said "We can fucking sing, and sing damn well and we're a huge success. We deserve good pay". But only Max agreed. The management were taking all their money and not giving them the amount that other girl groups and singings were making at the time, and Dawn found that out by talking to other singers in the business and saying to all four girls "Why are we making less money than everyone else when we're selling more albums"? It just didn't matter to T and C. But it mattered to M and D and Dawn left for that reason. When you're a success, your management should know to pay you well, but theirs was taking their money and fucking them over!

[@poerava]

These heaux’s got no backbone

[@darrenmonty2432]

So sorry En Vogue couldn't stay together. This group was and still is one of the most gifted and awesome group of the 1990`s. What I love about En Vogue they all can sing lead. It never was about one sings lead all the and the rest do back ground. Unlike Destiny Child it was always Beyonce. These women are talented, beautiful, sexy and classy. The harmonies among them were great. I sometimes couldn't express who I love better because, they all brought it collectively together. Such a shame it had to end.

[@stevenpringle9492]

The all could sing, but Dawn had something special.

[@angelheartonline]

The women conducting this interview are so ratchet. Anything to get the rating

[@tomikkigraywhite6342]

The ladies in the group were very professional and optimistic though😍

[@ceeceetracey9839]

no that lady didnt say "them other two heifers." Cindy cleaned it up nicely. And FYI whoever wants to see a cat fight or a train wreck reality TV show with En Vogue isnt a true and loyal fan.

[@llambert6951]

Terry had no money in 1999 and she had to sing back up for Toni Braxton on tour. She forgets to mention that. Cindy had a rich husband. Dawn was right about their money issues the group was having.

[@faayidah]

Actually, Terry did that (along with her best friend at the time Chante Moore) as a favor for Frank Gatson not because she didn't have money. Financially Terry was good because of her partner being their producer.

[@llambert6951]

@@faayidah thats still unfair on dawn and maxine

[@JLPerryTV]

It was no favor. Toni has 4 sisters that could have sang backup for her. Terry did it because she needed the money.

[@dwaynemartinez]

@@JLPerryTV RIGHTTTT!!! We not stupid

[@ceeceetracey9839]

@@JLPerryTV toni sisters were tired of being doowop pop pop chick's lol. If u watched the Braxton reality show u know toni reached a point in her career where she no longer wanted her sisters to be her background singers

[@DaveWollenberg]

Miss Ellis and Miss Herron are still pretty, after all these years.

[@darliskawhitaker1979]

Yes They Are I Love All Of Them. But Terry And Cindy Are My Two Favorites.💖💖

[@bird872mitc3]

Mine too!!! They sounded great at the Barclay Center!!

[@brahmabkitty03]

They are but they don’t get paid their worth

[@BSimp4242]

As a fan, I hate knowing that something so great was destroyed because of money. They were one of my favorite groups from my high school and college days. Amazingly talented and stunningly beautiful! What's so hard about wiping the slate clean and starting with new contracts where the ladies get equal shares of the money earned? That is TOO much talent to never see assembled again!!!

[@ceeceetracey9839]

TRUTH!!!!!