Cinestill 800T Alternatives

[@Daniel.Anugerah]

Living in Indonesia, the difference between Cinestill and re-rolled Vision3 film is MASSIVE. A roll of 800T (if you can find it) usually costs around $30 and a roll of 500T costs just $3 (For context avrg monthly wage here is $400). Almost every lab I know has ECN process too.

[@pushingfilm]

That's awesome! Hoping to visit Indonesia some time 😁

[@GnartotheBone]

Amazing you have so many ECN2 labs!

[@4choooKai]

This comment may be 1 year old already but whatever Most of KV3 stocks in Indonesia are produced in 2011 (which means they are expired by now) and sold for like, 3 bucks per roll. That's why they can be super cheap. And then, the labs. Yeah you might saw a lot of labs claiming that they "can" process ECN-2, but actually there's only a very small amount of labs that can properly process ECN-2. Have you ever gotten green moldy-like results from KV3 stocks? Yeah that's what improper development do to an expired roll of KV3, while you can actually get good results despite it being expired.

[@tubecorr]

I've been rolling my own Kodak Vision from short ends bought off eBay. Can usually get the price down to about $3 or $4 per roll. Photography is just a hobby for me so can't really justify spending $20 a roll on film.

[@pushingfilm]

Nice! That sounds like the way to go. I've only ever bought the 100ft bulk rolls of 250D, but they've been getting harder to find for as cheap as before

[@RobbieMaynardCreates]

I love that you went through your lightroom catalog to show the difference - Well done, buddy!

[@pushingfilm]

Thanks man! 😁

[@erichstocker8358]

Silbersalz even says to expose 250D as 125 ISO and not 250. There DX tag on their film also automatically sets film at 1 stop lower.

[@jancestr1054]

i got 400ft roll in my fridge and its sooo good

[@thornshootsfilm]

Found this video because I searched for the Voigtlander Nokton and it was the description. Glad I did! Useful info

[@pushingfilm]

Oh great! It's a nice lens 🙂

[@jorgeu111]

What a video. You’re killing it. Last night I shot two rolls of cine still 800t and was wondering how can I keep going without a second mortgage

[@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel]

I will definitely test the Silbersalz films 😀 It's a good idea if you're from Germany. A good comparison, I have not seen a cinestill comparison video anywhere. great 👌

[@pushingfilm]

For sure! Be prepared for their epic high res scans 😁

[@TheFilmFellow]

Great video Hashem, very concise! I’ve only shot Cinestill 50D and it’s very expensive. I did take some night shots and it also had that halation. Not a big fan of it but for landscape...Cinestill 50D is awesome. That “Bodega” shot is so cool, amazing vibe!

[@pushingfilm]

Thanks so much man! Yeah it's a great option

[@velvia7880]

Vision3 50D in 120 would be awesome. Even if it's 65mm perforated. Perfect for Noblex medium format cameras, since they are 5x12 format. Would automatically crop out the perforation.

[@pushingfilm]

Sounds like a good pairing 🙂

[@defector96]

how to get that exposure like at 08:03 ? i mean it's only 200 iso film, and there's very low light, and also it doesn't look like long shutter speed was used (i think it's 125?) wtf how to achieve such a great result?

[@pushingfilm]

Tripod. 1/8th second f2.8

[@defector96]

@@pushingfilm shiii, man. ok ty!

[@mcb187]

I can get 250D for $5 for a roll (100ft, 20 rolls). Ultrafine has great prices.

[@pushingfilm]

Yes! They have had the best deal for a while with the motipix bulk rolls... Exchange rate is favourable right now too so I just bought a roll from them 😁

[@Jim-BobWalton]

Apparently there’s a place in Wellington, NZ that processes ENC2 for a reasonable price. I’ll comment when i find it

[@eggyjones]

I downloaded Jamies presets and can highly recommend them if looking to emulate 800t. Just the shooting experience is different!

[@pushingfilm]

They do look great, and I admire how much effort he's put into all his presets

[@jakefifeofficial]

Where do you get the presets?

[@eggyjones]

@@jakefifeofficial jamie Windsor's web site. He did a video on them too

[@jakefifeofficial]

@@eggyjones Thanks!

[@marknoble9759]

Thank you for this, great review!

[@pushingfilm]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@brendanro]

Hold up.. I had NO clue you could develop these films in c-41!! Definitely want to try this

[@Kentbrockmann]

You been working out, mate? Guns are on point 🔫 🔫

[@BryanBirks]

I was looking for this comment. Absolutely jacked

[@pushingfilm]

Hahah yeah mostly 2020 progress man, had a lot of spare time 😂

[@36andburned]

Here in where i live, remjet film for 35mm is extremely popular, that is because of the incredibly cheap price. But it could also mean that the film is expired, so the price is low 😂. It think it's worth to mention that compared to the Cinestill, there's no expiration date on Vision3 film, the only way to know is from the production year written on the film can.

[@cameronwilson8561]

I say, buy either. 😉 Let's keep motion picture stock alive so more feature length films can be made on 35mm celluloid.

[@pushingfilm]

Yeah!

[@danielsigg8405]

Nice comparison, Hashem!

[@pushingfilm]

Thank you Daniel! Just listened to your podcast with Dan Milnor by the way, good interview!

[@danielsigg8405]

@@pushingfilm thanks, Hashem!

[@jeremyborcher]

Great info Hashem. Do you use an 85b filter with this film in daylight?

[@pushingfilm]

Thanks! I generally don't... I have tried before but felt like I could correct the cast pretty easily in the scanning process, without losing out on the bit of speed that the filter cuts. Going forward I'll continue to experiment with using warming filters though.

[@riojiang9377]

what brand of chemicals do you use to develop ECN-2 at home? Tetenal? EVO?

[@pushingfilm]

Unicolor powder kit. I recently bought a 1L Tetenal kit, but I've yet to try it

[@doozledumbler5393]

Cinestill would work out the same as Kodak if you get it lab processed. Because the remjet removal costs another $10 to process, at least at what I’ve seen from Walken’s prices. Can you make a video that goes into the films themselves in a bit more detail? Like, for example, which one is best for particular conditions? I’ve almost finished a roll of 250D and not sure if it would work indoors but trying anyway. And do they work in point and shoots? I’ve got mine in a Contax TVS and so far it hasn’t destroyed it, which Ive seen happen to some KZbinrs putting these in point and shoots.

[@pushingfilm]

Hey, I'll keep that in mind for possible future videos. I've shot 250D indoors and it turned out great (if you have enough light) I've even had great results with it at night time, in a point and shoot! I have put a few rolls of cinema film through Olympus point and shoots and never had an issue.

[@carltanner9065]

You can pick up Cinestill 800T (when it's in stock) from Walkens for $22.50. Though MFS 500T is a lot cheaper. I don't mind the halation in the pics. In some cases it adds to the feel. But, it's not for all situations. It's a pity that film can be so expensive, but if more photographers take up film then maybe we can push that price down :D

[@pushingfilm]

Yeah fair points! Its nice to have options :-D

[@adamphilpot]

probably a noob question...but if you can develop cinema film at home in C41 despite the remjet why can't a normal lab process it? My understanding (clearly wrong) was that it couldn't be processed using C41 chemistry. Cheers!

[@pushingfilm]

No probs! The chemistry itself isn't the problem. Labs generally develop using machines that aren't designed to wash off the layer first (how cinema film labs/machines do), whereas with a home hand-process the remjet layer can be removed manually with rudimentary methods; a slightly time-consuming and potentially messy step that most consumer labs wouldn't be able to manage, even if they wanted to.

[@adamphilpot]

@@pushingfilm ah ok that makes sense! Thanks for the reply!

[@mariathithuthaonguyen9667]

Hey Hash! Just wanted to say I respect ya heaps bro! Question. I want to ask if you develop your vision 3 yourself? Also, just wanted to ask where do you get your ECN? I use the cinestill CS2 kit though I don't like their steps condensed in two steps! It's silly. Where do you get your ECN 2 Chen's?

[@pushingfilm]

Hey! Thank you so much. I do, but I use C41 rather than ECN-2, I have an older video about this called 800T Alternatives or something. Currently I'm using Cinestill C41 powder that I got through Decisive Moment (it seems identical to Unicolor, which I've used heaps in the past also) Edit: sorry I just realised this was the older video I referred to haha, I thought your comment was on a new one.

[@mariathithuthaonguyen9667]

@@pushingfilm I'll look at the video. thank you. Hmmmm. My dear fear is if I use C41 after removing remjet that it'll make the film look super contrasty. Yuck. Hehehe okay. I'll look at your old video. Btw thanks for getting back to me so quickly!

[@pushingfilm]

@@mariathithuthaonguyen9667 no probs. It definitely doesn't need to be that contrasty! Most the difference is made in exposure and scanning imo. Check out the Night Street photography on the FE video for examples. I'll send you some on IG

[@juanmora8438]

amazing tips, thanks!

[@nxralym7368]

Do you recommend to push 500t and 250d films when i send them to the lab and develop in c41 if im shooting them on a point and shoot camera...?

[@danielcocar6556]

Afaik you shouldn't be shooting rem-jet layer films on p&s style cameras as you will burn out the motor for film advance/rewind.

[@thealaris]

​@@danielcocar6556Oh, that's interesting, I've never heard someone had a issue with that before

[@PhilippeRoberge]

Great video as always Hashem! What is the plate/device that you use to hold your film during dslr scanning?

[@pushingfilm]

Thanks mate! That's the "essential film holder"; it's what I've been using for a while and I've made a video a about it on the channel 😁

[@PhilippeRoberge]

@@pushingfilm Thanks Hashem, will watch your video about it!

[@RodrigoWBlum]

Very nice video, man!

[@pushingfilm]

Thanks very much!

[@HaomingLu]

Great video! Love the comparison part! Could you talk about home processing motion picture films?

[@pushingfilm]

Thanks! I might do a separate video on that down the track :-)

[@aristoioannidis7490]

Outstanding review. I am a convert.

[@tallaganda83]

I can’t do the halation either.

[@stevenstevensteven4]

How do you remove the remjet layer at home !!!! ???

[@pushingfilm]

I have a separate video on this 🙂

[@psychicmonkey]

Great video - I've heard that Ektar at night gives fantastic results and might be worth looking at

[@tallaganda83]

It’s great for long exposure stuff gives a really cool look.

[@jorgeu111]

As pointed out it might work for long exposure because remember the iso is 100

[@MeumGaudiumRivegauche]

Shooting these 2 films during daytime at 400 ASA can also yield excellent results.

[@pushingfilm]

Yeah! My favourite shots from the last roll were all daytime 🙂

[@FramesPerSecond]

Yeah have done the same too!

[@aarocka11]

Doesn’t like halation. Has a bright red light in the background blowing out the camera sensor, creating a red halo around it.😊

[@tempchannel3885]

"remjet layer and halations" - every Cinestill video ever

[@vc6218]

Please stop stop doing comparison photos with different images.