Catching Up On All The Try Guys Drama I Missed

I missed all the Try Guys drama after the Ned Fulmer cheating stuff came out. SNL made a terrible skit about and the Try Guys themselves have started speaking out now that it seems safe.
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[@CinnamonToastKen]

Thanks for filling us in on things we didn't know or got wrong! After reading though a lot of the comments and getting filled in, I don't really think my commentary on what we watched would have changed all that much. I would have talked more about them already trying to remove Ned from the company before the news broke and him being a higher up in the HR department. But I would still be sus of the whole thing. They control the narrative and have controlled the situation masterfully. There is no real way to prove to me that the possibility of someone knew before the threat of it going public happened and that it was better to leave it under wraps for the safety of the brand and the money coming in doesnt exist. Maybe its all the truth maybe its not. That's just how I think about it. Seems most of the frustration that I'm reading is coming from fans that are angry that I'm speculative and not taking everything they have said as absolute truths and am not on a nonstop Ned witch hunt the entire video. Fair enough. Screw Ned.

[@lulaufey]

watch/listen to the podcast! they explain so much more there!

[@kathleenanderson1603]

I appreciate you saying you got it wrong! I recommend listening to the podcast and video statement. It explains things better then 3rd party viedos.

[@chrisjoyhobgood3767]

Sad thing is his poor wife is the one suffering through all this. She relives the whole thing everyday all day. He is a scam bag along with all cheaters. Love the videos!!

[@skyetrapp5511]

Nah I think you're good. Basically speaking my exact thoughts, love you guys ❤️

[@DeltaWaving]

Your criticisms did feel lopsided. Too much time spent shitting on the Try Guys, even though they've handled the situation exactly right, which is rare and deserves acknowledgement. I don't blame you for being skeptical about their side of things, I've wondered a lot of the same things, but in the end, it's entirely possible they had no idea and it feels unfair to go after them, especially when you haven't done any proper research. They are friends with Ned's wife, too, like she's part of the company. The whole thing is insane from so many different angles, there's so much to talk about, and I wish you'd spent more time talking about those things (and shitting on Ned, absolutely) and less time accusing the remaining Try Guys of things you have no evidence they've done. It was like watching the SNL sketch all over again. But maybe I'm just too invested in the situation, it's all felt a little personal to me. Still love you guys anyway. You have a good one.

[@s0ul217]

I like to imagine that Mary just has this sense for things that would make amazing content. The amount of times Ken says "Mary's been telling me-" supports my theory

[@MarijaEnchantix]

Ken has said he just doesn't watch youtube and doesn't follow this stuff. She could be telling him a 100 things.

[@Fyrn33]

I hope Mary is being well compensated for doing Ken's research! 🤣🤣

[@agrosyntrop]

'My wife, my wife' maybe ken can be the new try guy ;)

[@agrosyntrop]

@@Fyrn33 ken pays in papa juice.

[@bobblerthecobbler4768]

@@agrosyntrop bruh😂

[@kathleen6538]

“My wife” “My friend writes for SNL” Everyone in Neds life is infinitely more interesting and talented than he is.

[@bellarina]

hahahahah this. Ned is Toby from HR 🤣🤣🤣

[@doot1doo1]

did you watch the snl skit? i wouldn't say that guy was particularly talented. but then again that's just snl in general lmao

[@TheVincenzoGaming]

@@doot1doo1 still MORE talented than Ned though

[@alex-dm3sn]

Mary is the most trustworthy source for drama

[@sarahchan-reeves8829]

Ikr, Mary knows what's Toasty!! 👌🏻💕

[@Christy_G_]

But for real tho

[@TheLadiGigi]

She's more reliable than TV news.

[@kinley.-.]

Yes Mary is basically a godsend for us 🤣 i always get happy when Ken says something like “Mary was showing me this”

[@Lamiishere]

Cringe Af 😂

[@Potatoypotato]

Eugene was so pissed off because he's been best friends with Ned's wife for a decade. So I'd imagine that's why he's so extra upset about it.

[@cjt-rex7852]

That and when Ned started the company Eugene originally did not want to sign on but the friendship the guys had and the promise they made to eachother he feels swindled and stuck in the company.

[@PandaliasKay]

Eugene's quiet rage was an entire mood for this whole situation. I don't blame him for wanting/needing to step away for a bit.

[@kristianevandevijver7671]

Also Eugène's dad cheated. So this is a sore spot for him. That probably explains all the pent up anger/emotion.

[@tainanking]

@@cjt-rex7852 well also him being who he is isn’t surprising. His types tend to act more uptight

[@UrFaveMidget]

I'm pretty sure he knew Ariel before Ned did.

[@ajafraid7560]

I watched the podcast episode and here's a better explanation. They found out about it a month or so before the news and immediately started working overtime to get Ned out of the company. They were going through HR and lawyers to get everything done right. They were planning to break the news, already had their announcement written up, they were just waiting for the right time. They were constantly checking reddit and things just to see if some one figured it out yet. They were already editing Ned out of stuff and knew their fans were too smart not to notice something was up. When the news got out, they didn't expect it to get so big. They knew their fans would tall, but they didn't expect big news sites to reach out. If Ned and Alex weren't caught, they still would tell the world and remove Ned from the company, they just would announce it at a different time. They talked about why they removed Ned and their feelings, and they said they felt betrayed by this and that it didn't fit the TryGuy brand, that's why they removed him. He was already removed before the news broke. Believe what you want, you have your own opinions- but I personally think these guys are good guys who just didn't agree with Ned's actions and so stopped working with him, what the media said before and after the news broke had no effect on their decision and actions, only when they posted their announcement.

[@rebekahdonet1697]

Thank you! They had already edited him out and removed him from the company before the news even broke. I do think they knew though (or at least had suspicions) and I don't believe them when they said they were surprised. Eugene though was very attached to Ariel and her kiddos. He is a product of divorce himself and it may have really hit close to home. Him talking right now would be a liability. Just so messy...

[@ayumehirano1894]

I completely agree. This is the first time I disagree with CTK, cause it really seems to me that they handled it the best they could. Maybe they had some suspicions, who knows, but when it's a very close friend, you want to believe the best and trust them, right? I can see naivity possibly playing a role here as well. I highly highly doubt this being a publicity stunt

[@bunny.lun3]

Exactly! I was coming to the comments to say this.

[@krisj5561]

So they were saving face? When multiple people have made comments about ned indicating the guys knew about this. Whether they say they did or not. If other old coworkers/friends realized....no way these three didn't.

[@spendiferouslochness]

I think they thought Ned wasn't being faithful to Ariel, trying to hook up with fans on tour and such (some reddit users said he would hit on them in bars and such). I am on board with the suspicion that Becky knew more than she let on after she asked the partners if they'd want to know if their partners were cheating and Ariel said No. I don't think they knew about the relationship and its extent...

[@sabinajoh]

I know the podcast is long but I'd recommend watching just that part about the situation. I'm gullible as hell, but it seems like they're good guys just wanting to handle everything the best they can. They mentioned that they knew for a month about Ned and had to do a whole hr thing to remove him from the company to make sure they weren't liable for wrongful termination. People started noticing something when Ned stopped showing up in videos or they could see that the wallpaper looked fuckedup. When you listen to the podcast it becomes clear what a mental toll this took on them. Zach was alone at the company when they found out about Ned

[@joywolf83]

but honestly all they had to do was that say that Ned had a personal issue and was stepping away from the try guys. they didn't have to say anything about cheating or anything potentially damaging or even actually fire him.

[@theimaginativeweirdo4537]

@@joywolf83 So, lying and putting it under the rug where evidence is already out there on the Internet? Yeah, that sounds like a good idea for their reputation.

[@medusacrow7486]

@@joywolf83 they were working on removing him from the company a month prior to this coming out. this is a personal issue of Ned's and he needs to work through this for his own sake and those in his life like his family. they were going to handle this better before it got out. watch the podcast and you will hear it from them. honesty is always the best policy

[@RachelEnsink]

@@joywolf83 they were handeling it in private, but they first got noticed by a not so popular reddit post and the significant others about the story. It has always been on the internet. They just had to handle everything as fast and legit as possible. They literally said in the podcast that they were waiting for this bomb to explode

[@outtaspace1566]

Same. I’m on their side. Tbh this issue is huge deal, this is a company issue that there’s chance the whole company got cancelled, also they have employees, not something like “influencer drama”. Maybe we’re gullible as heck. Lol

[@christinakinch]

I think Buff and Ken should watch the full podcast, and the multiple videos breaking down the situation. They have the overall story, but don't know the details. According to the podcast, Ned was removed from the company weeks before it was trending on the internet. A few fans from reddit knew of the situation because one of these fans was the one who photographed Ned and Alex, who then shared it to Ariel, Will, and of course reddit (through this reveal, it's assumed the Try Guys were then informed as well). Again, all of this occurred before it was trending all over the internet. And the removal of Ned wasn't just a "....yea, you're fired Ned Fulmer for cheating". Again, as the podcast mentioned, the guys contacted lawyers and the relevant HR representatives to determine the appropriate legal actions needed to deal with Ned's actions (this legal action was as the podcast implied: the conducting of a thorough internal review). Note: Ned's offence wasn't cheating (even though it completely goes against his brand within the company), his actual offence was engaging in a workplace relationship with an employee as a co-owner. Which could become a great liability to the overall company. This all occurred before the entire internet knew, so to say that they only fired Ned after the news blew up is undoubtedly false. So yes, Ned would've been removed even if the situation remained private, futhermore as I outlined before, he WAS removed before the situation went viral. They brought up the font of Ned's statement because to some people it seemed that his statement and the official company's statement were coordinated. This couldn't have been the case, because by then Ned was long removed from the company. So Keith and Zach mentioned this to clarify that.

[@meinenklinke]

This is exactly why you have to disclose relationships to HR. If Ned had been single as an owner and chose to date an employee, but it was properly disclosed, then there could be accountability and you could prove that there wasn’t favoritism or retaliation… but a shady secret relationship on top of it already being questionable? Nah, that ain’t it, Ned.

[@voidbreather7405]

@@meinenklinke Not even that would have worked, since Ned WAS HR.

[@christinakinch]

@@voidbreather7405 I believe in a past video or clip, it was disclosed that he was the HEAD of the HR department.

[@UrFaveMidget]

I mean even in their 5 minute response video they mention all the HR and legal contact. I don't think Ken watched anything from the Try Guys themselves before making this video. Totally missed the mark on this video for me.

[@cardendietrich6873]

I agree, Ken's cynicism is always welcome in my soul home but I think this one is one where you can't really speak to it or on it until you've actually found out what's going on.

[@LanieandMatt]

Eugene is a child of divorce so the betrayal from Ned to Ariel (who Eugene is close with) is way more hurtful when you’ve seen it in your own family…..

[@Purrsephone19]

The thing about no one knowing is 1:guys get good at hiding cheating. From experience, he probably had friends early on encouraging him to do this shit because Ariel and a couple others have talked in the past about Ned being a player. And 2: he was with an employee. His friends aren't JUST his friends. They are his business partners. They have a very BIG business. And he was basically HR for them anyway, because before this they didn't have a real HR department. So it makes sense to me that his "best friends" didn't know because he was going against his and their entire brand. They probably got too comfy in public because they got away with it before. He feels more relaxed "alone" with her, so they got stupid and screwed everything up. Loved the vid so far, I'm about halfway through.

[@macyskaggs3772]

also I feel like Eugene being who he is would’ve immediately blown up when he found out. I’m sure he would’ve pushed to remove Ned sooner if he had known earlier

[@Emily-ck9ji]

@@macyskaggs3772 Especially since Eugene was close friends with Ariel.

[@Coira2]

Yeah, thats what gets me, before this Ned WAS the HR person, so it skews the power dynamic even further.

[@Firepaw20011]

Yeah, the SNL sketch really hit it out of the park that Ned and his college friends are the frat bros who think being a player and cheating is acceptable. Ned always did say he's the closest with his friends from Yale.

[@aka_evie]

I agree.... also, if I remember correctly from a past try guys video, Ned is the one that handled HR. So...

[@eralda785]

They actually removed ned like a week before the situation went viral. They themselves have addressed everything that you were wondering about in their podcast and their video, about when they found out, all the action they took immediately, HR ect…

[@voidbreather7405]

Guys... no. The other three guys were initially keeping things under wraps because 1.) they were dealing with a legal mess behind the scenes (Ned was the co-owner of their company, was dating an employee, and was the head of HR, so surely you can see what a clusterfuck that was; it's a miracle that they were able to get rid of him within a month of them finding out about this scandal); 2.) the guys + their SOs are friends with Ariel, who likely needed some time prepare herself for the public fallout and having such private pain aired to strangers. Oh, and they found out and got rid of him before the story broke, not afterwards (I don't even know if that'd be possible to do off the cuff, since he was a co-owner of the company so would likely need to be bought out, and an internal investigation would need to be done for, well, legal reasons). They're also grieving the loss of a nearly decade-long friendship, with said friendship being with someone who basically fucked them and their livelihoods over (and cost them A LOT of money, since they've had to scrap a ton of videos they filmed in advance, and their show on the Food Network has now been shifted to a terrible day + time slot) for selfish reasons - would you not be hurting, too? Not to mention the fact that Eugene has opened up about how his own father would frequently cheat on his mother, so this situation is extra personal for him. And let's not assume that they knew about the affair when there's no proof that they did, yeah? Especially since that'd be a massive liability (both legal + social) that they'd be stupid to allow.

[@audreyxatomic]

I’m glad someone perfectly summed it up for them. I feel like Ken can be a little aloof about why some things are a big deal sometimes.

[@bizzapandare1209]

Yeah I don't like this episode much. I know Ken is speaking from experience or " dad logic" but he admitted that he did not know them well before the drama - but he is judging them hard, really hard and skeptical, without the room of benefit of doubt. If he watched the podcast, he would understand why and how.

[@EtamirTheDemiDeer]

Couldn't've put it any better

[@joanna2787]

Thank you for putting it this well together. I really don't get why this video was done without any research at all... I hope they put more effort in their other reaction videos. This one was kind of lazy and disrespectful to all involved. I did not expect that. Why putting this video out if you not even care enough to watch what you are reacting to? Views I guess because it's trending but still.

[@_JustSyd_]

THANK YOU, this video was kinda hard to watch cause they just don’t know enough😭

[@MonikaYta]

The person who "watched the whole episode so you don't have to" did a terrible job🤣 the episode was about them explaining how they were careful to do everything by law, and they didn't want to make a public statement about him cheating, but because Neds affair was with an employee (illegal, even Ned said it himself on one episode), they would have fired him and not told the public the reasoning.

[@Artelfie]

Ned also mentioned having a group of close friends from Yale that he valued over the other try guys (in the video with lie detection) who more likely knew about the cheating while the Try Guys did not since it was a work place relationship.

[@Malene_Simonsen]

The whole thing about them knowing for a week and looking on Reddit was because the pictures had been sent to Ned and Alex's SOs and as soon as the Try Guys found out, they started the process of removing Ned and the internal investigation, which is why they were anxious the news would break before that was done, because legally they couldn't say anything publically until the review and contracts had been finalized

[@kawaiiakuma1313]

Kieth was on a stage tour when a fan messaged him about the evidence of Ned cheating, Eugene has been working on side projects and a script or something like that. Eugene hasn't been in videos for about a year with some stuff here and there so he probably truly didn't know as with Kieth. Zach has been launching his tea company and planning his wedding, so he was probably not fully in the office, plus they just made a TV show and the employee was not part of that, so I think it is highly plausible that no one knew. One of their employees kinda pieced it together after a vague statement they made about Ned "leaving" the company but knowing Ned showing manipulative tendencies on podcasts before and clearly denying some videos they wanted to do that he is very calculated and probably had a very good "character" built up when they were all together

[@torisworld428]

Eugene is more affected by this because he is genuinely Ariel's friend and he's really upset about ned cheating on her

[@miss_darkrai]

Not to mention he comes from a broken home. His own Dad cheated on his Mom.

[@marthac1897]

Do y’all think he could be possibly upset at Ariel even a little for not leaving him? I know if a friend of mine got cheated on and they stayed in that relationship I would be slightly upset at them for not choosing better for them

[@amandas2639]

@@marthac1897 That's pretty victim blame-y. Be mad at the cheater, not the person who needs to process potentially ending a long marriage, especially when there are kids involved.

[@bridgeotto3320]

No. He literally talked about how the internet is harsher on women and I think that was him defending Ariel for staying with him because she was getting a ton of backlash for it.

[@PrendeII]

why such bad acting in that video then lol. and zack fake crying.

[@liezl1015]

Petition to have Mary every single time Ken talks about internet tea. I know she'll hit all the spots and never miss a thing 🙃

[@elisanoro]

Fr. Ken is so out of it and misreporting so many things ✋💀

[@missfeisty]

"Tea Time with Mary"

[@tessataylor5829]

She missed a lot.

[@Honeyglowwww]

If you actually watch the video they mention suspending him in early September when they found out, went through their internal review process with an outside HR professional and their lawyers, and after that concluded they let him go mid-September… before it even went viral. They were just waiting for the bomb to drop and enjoying their last days of peace, lol. They had to go through all the correct processes to avoid lawsuits. It wasn’t that they kept him employed until the news broke.

[@joesr31]

Of course they would say that, like Ken mentioned, we don’t really know what is going on behind the scenes, for all we know, the try guys are just saying these things for PR

[@dandelion_official4812]

@@joesr31 whether they knew before or not is the only thing there that is unverifiable. Suspicion or a hunch isn't proof either so even if they suspected they would have needed solid proof that it was happening. I don't know them personally so I can't comment on their character and neither can you so we believe whatever we choose or feels right to us but ultimately we can't ever know that, right? For me this is more about seeing an entertainment company actually take steps to deal with workplace misconduct. Whether they knew personally before it became public or not isn't that relevant to my personal interest in this - I feel like it's still a powerful precedent regardless. They 100% should be advised by lawyers and PR in any public statement they make about the scenario, not only to protect their own backsides but also those of the company's staff and the individuals involved who they have a duty to protect. In a public scandal like this that is the right thing to do. Just my two cents 😂

[@joesr31]

@@dandelion_official4812 most media companies (even companies in other industries) take workplace misconduct very seriously especially when it is out in public and it becomes a trend. I think many of the comments seem a little bias towards the try guys inferring that they did that just like you say to protect the company's staff/them being saints etc but in reality, we can't prove that. All that we can say at this point is that it would be in their own interest to have done what they did, if they didn't their company would face serious backlash.

[@dandelion_official4812]

@@joesr31 which is why SNL are currently facing a major case of workplace misconduct which was also widely reported but they have made no official statement or addressed it in any way? Yes they need to protect their brand but they could have protected Ned instead and played it down like SNL did no? However the verifiable info is that fans saw them on labor Day weekend and notified SOs and the other owners. They did immediately begin the process of removing him and did so very quickly as most legal commentators are saying this can take a long time. They could have waited to remove him to see if it would be big news/not but he was let go before the news went viral. I certainly don't think they're saints 😂 they're operating a business.

[@dandelion_official4812]

@@joesr31 whether they're saints or not, they have a duty to protect their staff which a lot of organisations in Hollywood don't

[@SteviiLove]

Don't forget; Ned wasn't just her boss, he was also HR.

[@christinakinch]

Exactly, I believe in a past video/ clip it was mentioned that he was the Head of the HR department.

[@cardendietrich6873]

Although, being that this is a company with co-founders he wouldn't just get to decide to fire her if she wronged him. They clearly take legal matters seriously so I have no doubt whatsoever, that he would have to provide a legitimate reason to fire her. If she wanted to leave the relationship without sacrificing her job, she could have taken the appropriate responsibility and been forthright within the company. I obviously don't know anymore than anyone else does, but it's my interpretation that she was at least mostly comfortable with cheating on her partner with her boss who literally everyone in the entire world knows is married with kids. That having been said, responsibility starts at the start of the affair. At the start of their affair, she would have made the choice to be with a man whose wife she had even worked next to. I feel like this situation could really become obstructive to a person who is dealing with workplace abuse or abuse of power, as messed up as the situation is, that doesn't seem like what's happened here.

[@brattrox2939]

@@cardendietrich6873 yeah I don't believe her relationship with Ned was truly because of a power imbalance, it's just something she can easily claim so the company has to act accordingly

[@cardendietrich6873]

@@brattrox2939 Precisely, that's how I feel too

[@aggravatedstrawberry]

​@Bratt Rox it'd just a way for her to excuse and justify her poor decision-making and slutty behavior

[@randomalley5899]

mary is just that office lady that updates everyone on all the drama at the office pantry..i just imagine her telling all this to ken over lunch

[@thetackyprincess]

They did get rid of Ned before everyone found out. They found out over Labor Day weekend and then removed him from the business on Sept 16th. They found out because fans were notifying them privately in DMs. However the same fans had also told Alex's fiance. They had a week or two before he essentially posted on their subreddit what had happened. From there the internet BROKE (Sept 26, 27)

[@mase_void]

My thing about the try guys knowing about it, Ned and the other guys had made it VERY clear Ned had college friends that he likes more then them. I genuinely believe they didn't have much of a relationship outside of the company.

[@SaccharinSweet123]

I really don't think they "knew", personally. I think they had suspicions. Because how do you confront someone without proof? I wouldn't go to a friend I suspected was cheating on their partner and confront them without proof. Because if I was wrong it would make me look like I didn't trust the integrity of that person, and they wouldn't trust me. idk, I get why they wouldn't have acted on suspicions but acted when they had undeniable proof.

[@MarioMadness1]

they 100% knew, he didn't hid it.. like ken mentions they're making out in public.. and this been going on for OVER A YEAR

[@strawberryherpes528]

I think SixteenLeo said it best - "Ned is just another generic-looking white guy. No wonder he felt so comfortable blatantly cheating on his wife in public."

[@beckawilk]

Stages of grief do occur when we lose friendships or find out something we believed in isn't what we thought. Also they can occur in a short time because they are not linear and sequentially. They can happen simultaneously and over short time spans. In fact we dont really even think of it as "stages anymore". If you have multiple grief reactions over something besides death, you are valid and deserve support.

[@queenbratbracken]

I agree, they are being really insensitive and dense imo acting like what the guys are going through isn't a big loss.

[@PandaliasKay]

Absolutely agreed. There aren't just 5. There's so many mixed emotions that come with grief. You grieve friendships, relationships, deaths, hell, even jobs that you were comfortable in. I grieved losing my home for months. Grief is not strictly a death related thing, nor does everyone process it the same.

[@queenbratbracken]

@@PandaliasKay As a fan I felt shock, disappointment, sadness, anger, etc and I can just imagine what I felt as an outsider is only 1/1000th of what those actually involved feel.

[@DebraKadabra]

THANK YOU. Friendship "breakups" get less attention than partner breakups, but it doesn't make the grief from losing a friend any less real.

[@vilyda]

You guys have to remember, NEDS WIFE WAS PART OF THE COMPANY TOO. That is why they were waiting to announce it. For HER sake. Arial was preparing for the droves of attention on her broken marriage. That's a lot. And her being best friends with Eugene and we'll as both the other guys wife's, was probably one of the reasons they were slower to thrust her into the spot light. Not to mention Ned owning 1/4 of the company, the reddit thread on Ned and Alex's drunken night out. They had to have some time to do damage control. They gave everyone a week and then made the announcement. It's not as devious as you guys might paint it.

[@asnugglesheep2107]

Video: "They went through all 5 stages of grief." Ken: "He's not DEAD!" Me: "He is to me and most - if not all - of the Try Guy fandom."

[@risuficus]

That bugged me a little when they said that... you can experience grief from any kind of loss, not just death. When you break up with your SO, when your child leaves home to be independent or when you distance yourself from a friend (because of a fight or because they moved far away). Hell you can even experience grief when losing something that isn't a person, like your house.

[@strawberryherpes528]

How Is Ken gonna bash on the SNL skit and copypaste the same talking points as them?

[@QuietChaos1996]

Dead to me, for sure. I'm still mad at Ned and Alex, but saddened for their partners because they destroyed the trust that they had in them.

[@lizziec4408]

It was Alex's fiance who dropped all the info on Reddit. Allegedly. My opinion. In my experience. Also they kicked out ned before they released the info. They literally edited him out of scenes and cut out his parts. They just didn't want to make a statement if they didnt have to

[@gabbyclower5590]

I’ve heard that Eugene was best friends with Ariel (Ned’s - hopefully soon to be ex because she deserved better - wife), so it’s rumored to be part of the reason why he’s looked furious throughout this whole debacle. It’s also kind of a meme that Eugene is just waiting for some of this to cool off before beating the absolute shit out of Ned. I mean… Ned was almost like the Big Ed of the Try Guys but sneakier

[@guesswhoisthis]

Ned wasn't worried because Ned has a very rich family to fall back into. The other 3 guys don't.

[@AnxietyRat]

This.

[@ragingredhead9555]

Ken: "Most KZbinrs aren't friends. They're just like work friends." Buff: "Hm.." *internally starts to break down* Ken: "Not me and you though. We cool." Buffs thoughts - "OH thank god! Thought I was just low key trashed aside like Garricks Large wife." 🤣

[@ProbsNotABot]

I believe their reactions. Ned was also a partial owner so they had to prepare legal things before the new broke to try and cover their butts from possible lawsuits. Also, I totally believe Eugene's reaction. He came from a family that was broken from divorce and because of it he didn't believe in marrying. Yet, he mentioned, that seeing Ariel and Ned together made him have hope for marriages.

[@lycorineart]

I love Ken and I love Buffpro but I really think they didn’t care enough to actually see what was going on with this

[@IndiraSkyeblue]

Idk if anyone else has explained it, also didn't bother to look that far. But the TryGuys found out over Labor Day weekend because whoever alerted Will, the female's SO and they also made Ariel, Ned's wife and the TryGuys aware. The week before they posted their PR comment was when they, as a trip, signed Ned off of the company. Then a week later they make their statement during the speculation. Hopefully that helps clear some things up.

[@TimelessFilms1]

14:10 They actually started editing Ned out of their videos way before the news broke out and removed him from the company before the news broke out. The plan was to go through with this as thoroughly legal as possible. Speculations came out about something happening to Ned because people noticed he was being edited out of the videos more and more. Then the picture of him cheating was leaked, which put their whole process into nitro-fueled insanity.

[@jordanbuppert3820]

So the Try Guys and their SO's are all actually pretty good friends that do all the normal friend stuff. (Hangout, plan trips together, attend holiday gatherings/birthday parties, ect) They found out about the cheating at the beginning of September when fans approached them with these photos, which Ned confirmed. They spent all of September meeting with Lawyers/HR/PR, and handling the legal side of the situation/negotiating to remove Ned as an employee of the company. The news gained traction towards the end of September which is when they informed all involved parties that they would have to release a statement to explain their POV. If you don't watch the full podcast, best to find a person to better summarize it for you.

[@derronsaunders8115]

Eugene hasn't been on the podcast for the better part of the year. He's been working on a separate project. He explained that on a podcast a while ago bc he hasn't been in a lot of the traditional "try" videos and people thought he was leaving the group. His absence has nothing to do with what happened. I usually agree with Ken and Buff but they're commentating on the story without all the information.

[@JesseWinford69]

Their is a reason major companies don't allow management to date co workers. It creates a bad environment if things go south.

[@lunar_storm08]

so, being a try guys fan for a while, and keeping up with this quite a lot. The timeline got a little mixed. The guys are really close with a lot of their employees, so it's really honestly something they could have brushed off as a work thing the whole time Ned and Alex were going on dates-- sure a little weird but maybe not out of pocket when you have Zach and Miles pretending to be engaged for a video series or other things similar throughout their whole history on youtube. That being said, Zach, Eugene, and Keith were made aware of the affair a MONTH prior to it breaking out HUGE in the public, but a WEEK before sprinkles of it began to circulate on small spaces online, I believe reddit but I'm not sure. They had been working diligently for the last month (to be specific, this was Labor Day weekend in the US and around the time they were filming their Broadway series in NYC which is currently being released now) to get the legalities covered and make sure they did everything right and by the book. The story didn't begin to circulate hugely online until about a month after they were made aware by fans who had made the videos/images now circulating. The same fans also were kind enough to contact both Alex and Ned's significant others prior to releasing anything online, as they wanted to respect the privacy and be kind to those who were actually hurt in this situation. So, while I understand and normally side with your cynicism (and perhaps this is my bias) I truly believe they were nearly entirely unaware and did the best they could given the circumstances. I do think they are truly friends with most of their coworkers (both equals and those they employ) and all of the company is very hurt and upset at this whole, now entirely blown out of proportion, situation.

[@roxypaquette9501]

People are pointing out photos of Ned and Alex getting lunch months ago and saying it’s evidence, but I get lunch with male coworkers platonically as friends all the time, it’s not a sign.

[@wxlfie2]

@@roxypaquette9501 i dont follow the drama religiously but i do know there was a picture of them kissing as well

[@ahri-tu9hd]

as a try guy fan, seeing you guys say stuff like "oh you knew" and "now they're trending" sucks because you don't know or have experienced what they went through, so saying stuff like that is just annoying to me lmao

[@AnxietyRat]

Yeah, it's extremely clear they didn't watch the podcast episode because they were very very clear that the drama and popularity and attention were NEGATIVELY affecting their physical and mental well-being. They weren't relishing in all of this attention... they were NOT enjoying it. They were very clearly not having a good time having all of this extra attention directed towards them. The drama was a clear negative for them it was not a positive.

[@fionawoolhouse484]

I went through the same situation with our friend group, where one friend cheated, left husband then “ditched” the friend group…..and IT IS like grieving. It’s such a devastating thing to happen….as they are no longer with you. No longer sharing their life with you. No longer love you. Please don’t laugh it off. 🙂❤️

[@astronautviolet153]

Ken is right around the power in balance of the relationship being inappropriate. Eugene literally looked like he wanted to rip Ned's head apart.

[@kristianevandevijver7671]

Yes because for Eugene this more personal. As his dad cheated as well.

[@sacredsiren]

Kristiane is right about his dad, but he was also good friends with Ariel as well, so I am sure that adds another layer of anger to this for Eugene.

[@MikeyPaniker]

Oh my god, Ken has no idea what he’s talking about, lol 🙈 So many wrong assumptions. He really needed Mary there to help. 😅 The Guys didn’t know. Ned really is just a narcissistic idiot who got sloppy. Eugene, especially, is very close to Ned’s wife. THAT is why he’s so mad. They were given the photos before the Reddit posts were made. Once they found out, they IMMEDIATELY removed Ned from upcoming projects and started editing him out of unreleased videos while their HR investigation took place. They were going to announce he had left the channel permanently in the winter without specifics, out of respect for the families involved. The Reddit posts by the mistress’ ex-fiancé obviously made that impossible, so they released their statement. Ned made a statement that used the same style and font to make it look like it was a joint decision/press release when it wasn’t. You can absolutely remove the conspiracy theory that they knew before they said they did from your brain, lol. Eugene (who is gay) is FIERCELY loyal to his girl-friends, especially Ariel. There’s no WAY he’d EVER take part in deceiving her. Not for a “bro”, and not for the brand.

[@spectral__]

Ken has shown he's in stubborn old man territory on this one. No amount of facts is going to convince him that he's wrong. Boggles the mind.

[@MikeyPaniker]

@@spectral__ maybe. I just like Ken a lot and it’s painful to see him get something like this so wrong.

[@jrussell6579]

This is why in highschool (in Australia) they tell us to not get into relationships with anyone who has authority over you. Due to power in balance.

[@ashleyford7232]

Honestly it’s crazy how everyone thinks that the reason Ned is being shamed is because he only cheated on his wife is crazy. He didn’t JUST cheat on her, he cheated with AN EMPLOYEE of his!

[@N_A_A]

Ken; I’m begging you - just let Mary talk about this. You guys are getting so much wrong that it’s kind of infuriating. I love you guys, but dude come on

[@JAnKl17]

Queen Mary, Gatherer of Internet Tea & Wisdom, will probably let him know. I agree, she needs to be included so she can keep the facts straight and because she's a lovely presence 🥰

[@carrieoliver7586]

yes thank you like I love Ken but he really doesn't know enough about them and the situation

[@cjt-rex7852]

I think them not knowing makes it funny for me .

[@hannahjaco2050]

They really are

[@preciousonejewel]

that seems to be the issue in most of his videos honestly.. he doesnt care enough to actually dig

[@rinlen23]

So as someone who watched the full podcast. The try guys said they kicked/ were in the process of kicking Ned out. The second they found out. The 6minute video ken listened to doesn’t really tell you all that much that they really talked about in this situation

[@baketlist5003]

adding to this, they just had to make sure they did things the right and legal way before firing him. they took the necessary steps and didn't rushed because it could also lead to legal issues if they didn't.

[@ashleymurphy7614]

"2 Dads talk youtube drama based of the knowledge provided by ones wife" doesnt have a good ring to it but i love watching you guys react to youtube crazyness

[@elisanoro]

Yeah, they are also misreporting a lot of things 😅💀

[@Reenx95]

couple of things the 6 mins video had wrong - they knew for a month before coming out. they knew from fans sending their significant others the evidence first. then they investigated, found it to be true and suspend him first before eventually kicking him out once it was legal enough to kick him out - they were planning to make a statement but they had to prepare and protect themselves legally first. they start removing him from videos and merch so fans get suspicious, story got found out and blown up. they had to make a statement immediately

[@AnxietyRat]

They also didn't just kick him out or fire him. He was a co-owner of the company. They had to buy him out of his share of the company. Which is EXTREMELY expensive and takes a long time to do. It's not like they could just fire him and fix the situation immediately. It's was a whole process for them. And they had to be very carefully and make sure to do it legally so that Ned or Alex couldn't turn around and sue them.

[@ramadiii]

The guys did remove Ned from their videos, basically placing him on leave from the moment the fans contacted them privately about what they had seen, and started reviews with HR-people for almost a full month before the news finally leaked and started trending. Ie they took immediate action as soon as word reached them, and not doing so would be against every single principle the guys have always stood for.

[@Emily-ck9ji]

I still feel like Ken isn't getting the full picture. He's been given a breakdown by someone who focused on the emotional impact of the scandal, not the legal implications and money involved. Ned was NOT walking away quietly and he forced them to handle this legally rather than walk away with grace. He thought he could bully everyone into silence, but their brand wouldn't survive his carelessness. He was selfish and gross. Plain and simple. He was arrogant enough to believe he'd face zero consequences when caught. I have a feeling Eugene actually didn't know. He's EXTREMELY close friends with Ariel (Ned's wife), so I have a feeling that if he knew he would have told Ariel. He experienced his parents' ugly divorce due to cheating, so that alone would impact how he viewed this entire situation.

[@cameostark7274]

I feel like a lot of your suspicions would be eased if you actually watched the explanation video and podcast instead of watching a dumbed down clip explanation

[@hottamali8562]

The try guys are actually friends. Keith had the try guys in his wedding, and they all left buzzfeed together. Also they have interactions with significant others. As well as interactions with Ned's kids and each others pets.

[@joanna2787]

Well actually they addressed all of the things you are wondering about. I recommend watching the whole thing then. 😅

[@chikinnippls7108]

Grief applies to way more than death.

[@lynntinkabell10]

I’m gonna be honest, as someone who watched the hour long podcast, whoever did the 6 minute summary of the video did NOT do a good job lol

[@Karra__with_a_K]

“He took 1 for the team” 🤣BuffPro is HILARIOUS 🤭

[@savs2faded]

Mary is the goat of picking content worthy drama for ken

[@coyoted9251]

Shout-out to M-dawg Mary for bringing the tea stories to the table for Ken. We know Ken cares enough to cover it but he doesn't know where to look for drama LMAO

[@DANIxDANGER]

After so many years of watching and not getting a "if today's your birthday, happy birthday" to land on my actual birthday... Today is my birthday. Lol.

[@karissadrummond6956]

Happy Birthday!

[@NayvieNoir]

Well happy birthday 😊

[@bridgeotto3320]

This completely missed so many points. Claiming the guys KNEW about it? Absolutely not. Not only is Eugene personally effected by cheating because of how it effected his mom who he is super close to and how all of the guys and their wives/fiance's are close with Ariel, but ALSO that it was an employee and there have been SEVERAL videos where the guys talk about how it's bad to date your employees and even Ned claiming it's illegal. Zach expressed at least in 3 different videos how it's inappropriate. So NO, I don't think they knew.

[@randomgirl6725]

I like to rewatch videos and laugh every time Ned talks about his wife and kids

[@MorriganAtwood]

I get the comparison that Ken is making to the Great British Bakeoff scenario he is creating. But it's not just that. He wasn't just her boss. He was the head of HR. In a company he is the person someone would have to go to, because of inappropriate workplace stuff, to get it taken care of.

[@goraptors8172]

Not a great example. The value of a judge is impartial and critical judgement. If she exposed him (the judge) for having an affair - it would ruin him as a judge as it would expose him for having not being impartial, lack integrity and ruin him for the fans. He may of been her boss, but if they broke up it seems more like mutually assured destruction and not a power imbalance as described. Don’t know who either of these people are, just correcting bad logic.

[@bakaichigo]

That Great British Bake-Off analogy actually was really good and made a lot of sense. I think a lot of people were more thinking about the power imbalance in terms of Alex being forced into it or something being abusive already, not in terms of "what could happen" or the *_IMPLIED_* imbalance (which is where the potential for abuses comes in). :x

[@nataliethomas444]

According to them, they did get rid of Ned before the story broke. The story broke at the end of September and they said that he was officially terminated on the 16th following an internal investigation.

[@littlehonu]

On the exercise bike right now at the gym and wasn’t expecting the “MY WIFE” in the first 10 seconds and started laughing so loud lmao

[@GrandMagusDK]

I had no idea who these guys were before all this drama

[@bunnyayy6184]

I love how Ken has become a puppet for Mary's tea channel. Because this is now Mary's Tea Channel, welcome.

[@alexis_marieee]

The way the whole time you were talking, all I could think about was the trama flashbacks your shirt brings me 😂

[@Christy_G_]

Ned's friend is a writer for SNL

[@whos_astoria]

I wish y'all would have watched their video because they address all the stuff y'all bring up. Like how they knew before, how they reacted, why they waited for news to break, and what they were doing.

[@LetThemGrumbIe]

Zach mentioned the font because their responses were posted at the same time, so it looked like it was coordinated. He pointed out that it wasn't, and the fact that both responses were out at the same time and had the same font made it look like they were in it together. They did mention they had to move around a lot of "red tape" and do things by the book, order an investigation and get lawyers involved. They didn't hide the fact that it was a manicured procedure.

[@Olivia_C_]

There was this thing back from December of last year where Alex's fiance confronted ned and told him to back off. It seems they know Ned's been flirtatious in the past to multiple women but he never really did anything to warrent his termination until now. Also the video you watched to get the most information you can let out some very important details.

[@Romey1son]

In Australia when they were deciding what cable to use for NBN instead of choosing the best fiber-optic cable they went with the cheaper version. Decided by old people of course.

[@ChaoticLilBear]

Its crazy how people really still don't see how easy it is for people to cheat and hide it from friends and family. Like???? Its fully possible. It happens all the timmmmme!

[@farkleberry867]

12:12 "He's not dead" That's true. It's actually worse. If a friend of 10 years dies, it's horrible and you grieve them, but you grieve them *as your friend*. If a friend of 10 years screws you over, their wife (your friend) over, with no regard for their two children or the company you own together, all for the fleeting pleasure of cheating with one of their employees who is engaged.... It calls into question the entire friendship. Did they care about anyone but themself for the last 10 years? Finding out that someone who you love is not who you thought they were is a horrible thing. I'd argue it's worse than them dying.

[@Jules-fm3hw]

They DID get rid of Ned before the news broke

[@macyskaggs3772]

I feel like if they knew beforehand, there’s no way Eugene knew. He came from a divorced family, he’s friends with Ned’s wife, and he gets very angry about these types of things. I imagine he probably blew up when he found out

[@msdeviantdizzy]

I kinda like watching the old episodes with Ned in them now- I get a smug sense of satisfaction whenever he fails or messes up.

[@CatVomitX0]

Ken could ask for government secrets and Mary would somehow find them

[@JesseWinford69]

Defamation lawsuit are almost impossible to win. Not only do you have to prove what they said, but you have to prove it was done with malicious attempt attacking their character.

[@WildflowersCreations]

6:00 For those who don't know California Employment Law and how code of conduct contracts this is how it breaks down. In California you have the legal right that your workplace be free from sexual harassment and sexual discrimination (this applies to everyone). In California there are 2 kinds of sexual harassment, quid pro quo and hostile work environment. These laws aren't new, and it isn't just Alex that could claim them, but other workers saying they didn't get promotions or special treatment because they didn't sleep with a boss. The particular part that applies to Ned that wouldn't apply to all other employees is "hostile work environment", as a boss and the person in charge of HR he sets the tone for the work environment. If Ned has an affair and other Try Guys (bosses) condone it and then another employee sexually harasses any employee Ned and the other 3 bosses / co-founders can be found guilty of creating a hostile work environment. But that isn't the worst part (hostile work environment) because the company is like a family so that is less likely than any employee claiming they didn't get a raise, promotion, particular gig (show "food baby") or anything else because they didn't sleep with one of the bosses. Remember Eugene is gay so applies to all employees male and female being able to claim since they didn't participate in "quid pro quo" they didn't get what Alex got. These kind of cases have been won in the past in California but not in all other states that they have been tried. With 20 employees that is a huge liability to keep Ned on. Now with their brand deals and their TV show with the Food Network they sign code of conduct contracts. Ned's actions with an employee below him violated those contracts. The Try Guys have already been feeling the effects of that with their Food Network show being moved from Wednesday night at 10pm (prime time) to Friday at 10am (buried). Plus it is said some brands have pulled out. So yeah it's bad and the consequences are already being felt.

[@WildflowersCreations]

11:13 I strongly believe that the paparazzi videos of Ned and his wife were staged by Ned. It is a very common PR stunt in Hollywood.

[@ashsmee]

I can see how it was kept secret, they worked together and could easily use that as an excuse to have meetings and stuff.

[@Sophtine]

"The SNL skit was written by a bunch of people who thought the problem with Bill Clinton was that he cheated." -Miles (who works with the Try Guys)

[@lizzysanada5877]

As much as I'm invested in the Try Guys drama, I'm also invested in the fact that Ken's shirt is a literal dark humor that only anime fans are gonna get.

[@Crunchiecorpse]

That’s wut I’m saying 😂

[@lizzysanada5877]

Ikr!! 😂😂

[@catus-cactus]

He’s worn that shirt before lol

[@lizzysanada5877]

@@catus-cactus yea I know that....I just couldn't keep my silence on what I was feeling about the shirt every time I saw it 😂

[@jeremiahjohnson2519]

I like that the show references two different anime.

[@hannahrannah2739]

They had an official internal review to investigate when they heard about it. I don't think they knew beforehand.

[@JaseyRaeRadio]

I laugh everytime he talks about Mary. That woman has her thumb on the god damn pulse of drama itself 😂

[@meinenklinke]

It’s not the cheating they downplayed, it’s the inappropriate relationship between a boss and his employee. And someone else said they thought he was the head of HR?! Which explains why they had to bring in outside HR professionals. There’s no way that the relationship could be totally consensual with the power dynamic. And if he’s head of HR who would you feel safe reporting that to anyway?! It’s a major workplace violation and THAT is why he was let go, not because he was cheating on his wife.

[@myralynn15]

I suggest watching the hour podcast because some information is not presented correctly in the run down video.

[@starrgurl92]

If I remember correctly from the podcast the reason the font was a big deal was the fact people would think their statements were together. They did a separate statement and him using the same font made it look like they were all together with the statements. He did it to try to make it look like he was still being supported by the brand.

[@izabotenno]

Ever since my three year old started watching bluey I cant unsee ken as the physical manifestation of human Bandit 😭 they’re even kinda similar too it’s adorable. That and Ken just moved to Australia lol

[@godsmackfreak13]

Ok correction tho: They knew about it 1 month before, not a week. They found out labor day weekend; this is mentioned in the podcast but the summary girl got it wrong :P So yeah, they knew but for legal and family reasons waited to tell people.

[@kaylajadeevans5656]

I feel like y’all should have watched the full podcast, because it seems like you’re filling in blanks with information that the Tri-guys provided. Like timelines, information on investigations, etc.

[@luciangel-morgan9826]

Hold up hold up! The person that said "anyone remember the Trypod episode where he talks about his Yale friend who writes for SNL... Asking for a friend" That was Becky Habersberger! As in Keith's wife! That was totally glossed over!

[@peachberrypie]

That “We’re cool buddy” made me so happy 😂

[@seasonelara]

they have said that they’re not as close with ned. keith and zach are closest and ik eugene and his partner are close with keith and his wife becky. they’ve mentioned ned doesn’t hang as often because he has a family and kids so it makes sense the others might not have had any idea. i know they say it in the do all try guys think the same vid about “are the try guys really friends?” ned has also said he’s closer to his friends from college and likes them better in the lie detector vid. i think he’s always been the odd man out tbh

[@andiestrellitam3]

Honestly, if you watch their whole videos on this situation they handle it as good as they could've 🤷‍♀️ Also no they didn't find out a week before, it was a month or something like that and yes they got rid of Ned before the news came out. Also everyone forgets that Ned wasn't just the friend, his wife was still friends with all of them and part of their company. My dude your understanding of things was kinda off here haha, still love hearing your commentary 😂

[@daylight1992]

Honestly I'm disappointed that Ken choose to react to a situation he didn't have all or even most of the information for. Had he watched the initial video and the entire hour long podcast he'd be able to comment on it far more accurately. The Try Guys were made aware of the situation by a fan and they immediately started to investigate the accusations and react accordingly. They handled a horrible situation in the best way they could alongside a legal, HR, and PR team. Ned was removed BEFORE everything went super viral they just hadn't announced it yet. This should be held up as an example on how to handle workplace misconduct and videos like this do nothing but damage peoples subconscious belief if a situation like this were to happen again elsewhere. Honestly all this makes me believe is that these two would "make a play" in a situation like this instead of dealing with the workplace misconduct appropriately.

[@tiger_thecat0224]

What I’ve read on the whole try guy drama; he had been caught before with the employee back in December (they kissed during a wedding or during some occasion), her (ex) fiancé had told him to back off and thought that was it. But then in April/May, they had been caught again in NY and wife had confronted them duo, he confirmed and she left back to CA. And then during August, he was photographed with the employee at a concert being all loved up, and people soon brought it to the attention of the significant others and then to the try guys. Idk what happens during that time between the Try Guys internal review and the significant others, but the (ex) fiancé supposedly leaked the photos and the messages out and that when they decided to come clean. Now it can run both ways; they either knew about it and were trying to find ways to lay them off without having a lawsuit on them or they didn’t know and we’re just brushing off the times the duo looked too close for comfort. But overall they did a great job with how they handled it, I’ve be never seen SNL a day in my life since I’m not into television, but I had a clear reason to believe that his “writer friend” was the one behind the skit to try and layoff the hate he’s been getting. P.S. the information I pulled out is what I’ve remembered through videos and TikTok’s that explained about it. I’m not sure if it’s 100% accurate P.P.S. Yung Gravy follows Ariel Fulmer on Instagram

[@t3rr0rdactyl]

it was my birthday, thanks Ken!