Citation and Secretariat Compared

An interview with Eddie Arcaro and Ron Turcotte to discuss these two great horses.

[@MJH211]

When a record stands for almost 50 years with all the improvements in sports science and technology u know its special. There may never be another horse like Big Red again

[@elizabethavolck7784]

There definitely be another Secretariat. He had a genetic mutation called factor x, which gave him a heart which was almost 3 times the size of a normal thoroughbred's heart, which gave him the ability to pump blood through his lungs to his perfectly built body and legs. Like a Pavarotti.

[@ValleyoftheRogue]

@@elizabethavolck7784 Not likely at all. He was a genetic freak in the best sense of the phrase. There will never be another one like him.

[@stevefowler2112]

He is moving like a tremendous machine...greatest call in sports history...human or equine.

[@ValleyoftheRogue]

Yes, it was. Chic Anderson's call fit the moment perfectly. It was the greatest sports call of all time, of the greatest racehorse of all time, in the greatest sporting event of all time. Perfect combination.

[@suzannerobbins6293]

What fun it was following Secretariat in 73! The greatest horse ever!

[@nancyjanzen5676]

Knocked Watergate off the cover of Time and Newsweek.

[@suzannerobbins6293]

@@nancyjanzen5676 I became fascinated by this horse from the covers of these magazines! Didn’t watch sports a lot, but fell in love with Secretariat! After noticing the buzz around him I fell in love, and of course watched the most famous horse in the world win the triple crown! I still tear up watching it, because I know Secretariat ran for the love of running!

[@teddylopez747]

Go look up the great kelso. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@benjaminvalenzuela3948]

Man O’ War is the greatest horse ever.

[@nealbennett4950]

I still get goosebumps when I watch Secretariat run the triple crown .

[@ianjustin4389]

@nealbennett4959 Im a big grown man, but everytime I watch that Belmont stakes, it brings me to tears of happiness, and I still don't know why...

[@grailcollector713]

The first thing anyone should do is NOT compare any horse to Secretariat. PERIOD !

[@usfanlovesjiwoo1978]

@Joe Blow Have no idea whay you're talking about.

[@usfanlovesjiwoo1978]

So, true. Secretariat was the King of super horses.

[@teddylopez747]

You don't know much horse racing. You just don't know any better. You must have never heard of the great kelso. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@teddylopez747]

@@usfanlovesjiwoo1978 secretariat was a punk next to the great kelso. You talk about california with kelso, the problem was in the traveling, how do you explain how kelso beat his cousin gun bow out here in ny, gun bow was kicking all those horses' asses out in california and, kelso showed him who the boss was. Get your shit straight dude. Kelso was horse of the year 5 years and, was beating the 3 year old champions of each of those years, beating them giving away weight to them when he was 4 and, up. The hell are you talkin bout, kelso is the only horse be a great horse at 3 and, win horse on the year and, to be a great hanndicap horse at 5 and, win horse of the year at 5 and, it get's crazier einstein kelso was also a great handicap horse at 4, 6 and, 7 and, win horse of the year each of those years! Kelso is the only horse to ever pull the elephant out of his ass. Only 3 horses ever won the whitney, the woodward and, the 2 mile jockey gold cup in one year and, kelso is the only freakin horse to ever do that twice! Oh, and what' this that 2 miles is a plodders' race? Hey brainiac , these punk horses now don't hardly run 2 miles anymore. The longer you run the more the weight is gonna start weighing o you and, kelso is the only horse to win that mother 5 times and, do under 3:20 for that, 3 times as he owns the 3 fastest timings for that and, breaking the record twice, the first time at 3 years of age at 3:19 2/5 and that was on a sloppy track with standing water on it! He might have done what 3:18 on a fast track or better. Kelso beat more champions, more international champions and, more hall of famers and, that alone makes him a tremendous candidate to being the greatest racehorse of all-times. Go look at kelsos' dc interantional to look at one of the truly greatest performances by a race horse ever and, how he broke his own record for the final time he ran that race and how just 11 days before that he broke his own record t the grueling 2 mile jockey gold cup at 3:19 1/5 on a sloppy track! Look at how he did 2:23 2/5 on 3 tight turns for a 1 and, a half mile race againts some of the best horses in the world and, how they were using no gates like in the man of war time. Kelso still managed to do 2:23 4/5 and, do the last quarter of a mile, in 23 secound 4/5! Remember you gotta slow down a bit and, then pick up for those tight turns! Oh, and, kelso was not by the rail the whole race like sec at belmont. Kelso only weighed about 900 pounds and, carryin 12 pct of his body weight at times! Kelso is the greatest racehorse of all-times and, it's not even close, man! Not even close. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@teddylopez747]

@bruce robbins Gee, Bruce, you wonder what would have happened had sec stuck around and, had to start giving away weight! He was a great horse but, that he was the best ever, is for someone who doesn't know much horse racing. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@ManjuSingh-io6ix]

In the Preakness race it was thrilling to watch Secratairat start last and the way he came like a shooting star blazing the tracks his strides so powerful every race he ran for Triple Crown was unpredictable what wud be in store for us something to talk about and that’s clear when he ran for theBelmont race !!unforgettable till today 🐴🐴👍👍

[@loyalamerican8776]

What Secretariat did at the 1973 Belmont Stakes and the way he did it is unmatched!... Manowar is second-best💯

[@teddylopez747]

kELSO was better than both of them. You must not know much about KING KELLY. Man of war was kelsos' great grandfather. No horse was ever a great horse at 3 and, won the horse of the year and, a great handicap horse at 5 and, win the horse of the year award other than the great kelso, kelso was also a great handicap horse at 4, 6 and, 7 and, won the horse of the year award 5 years in a row beating the 3 year old champions of each of those 5 years! Crazy cause at 4 he had to beat them giving away weight to them. They don't even have much handicap races anymore or, run 2 miles anymore. The longer you carry that weight the more it will weigh on you. Kelso only weighed 900 pounds and, at times carried 12pct of his body weight, that's more than forego who was a real big horse at 17. 2 hands and weighed about 1,300! Kelso was beyound everyone. In a class by himself. Not even close man. I'm a kelso fan, and, I'M MIND BOGGLED. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@teddylopez747]

So far 2 of secretariats; records have been broken. The one at belmont the damn horse was right at the rail from the start and, sham broke down and, the other two horses were bums and, he was on his own sec. So don't give me that belmont stakes shit. Go watch kelso at the dc international 1964 on 3 tight turns which were way harder than those bullshit huge sweeping turns sec had at belmont. Kelso's the greatest race horse of all-times and, he's ina class by himself. You gotta be kidding, you just don;t know kelso. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@teddylopez747]

@bruce robbins Name another to be horse of the year 5 times and each of those years beat the 3 year old champions of each of those years and, he beat older horses too. Oh and, there were alot of good horses in those 5 years, kelso beat 5 horses that had won triple crown races, 12 times in his carear! Name another horse to break a record on dirt and, then just 11 days later break a record on grass and, in the races he did that in. No horse did more than kelso Bruce. Is that why Arcaro told Hirch that kelso would have beaten the shit out of cy. Oh, Eddie rode cy before cy got hurt. Kelso is in a class all by himself. Oh and, he suffered from colic pain all his life. They say he died from that, so kelso wasn't really a sound horse. Cy never won with more than 129 pounds. Kelso for a horse that weighed 900 pounds won with 136 a few times gave away 20 pounds to some good horses. Get your stuff together Bruce, cy was one of the greats and, I have more respect for cy than secretariat but, cy was not kelso, no horse is. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@teddylopez747]

@bruce robbins Hey Bruce, kelso at 3 ran the 2 mile jockey gold cup and broke the record on a sloppy track with standing water on it doing 3:19 2/5, what would he have done on a fast track like citation was on for the same distance race? Maybe 3:18 or, better. Citation was one of the greats but, he wasn't kelso. No horse is. KELSOS' BiGGEST FAN.

[@teddylopez747]

@bruce robbins Well, Bruce what can I tell you, goes to show the ignorance in those people. They just don't know any better. Either that or, they just like to bust chops[lol]! Kelso was something else. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@DaveLynchJazzGuitar]

I was at the 73 Belmont. In my opinion, Secretariat was the greatest, 3 triple crown track records that still stand. Look at the Preakness video! He went from dead last from the gate , and watch how he accelerates to get to the lead by the 1st quarter pole, and his fractions just get faster and faster as the race goes on. Incredible . Had the longest stride of any horse. !! Poetry in motion.

[@wizpopr]

I was at all three. That Belmont still gives me chills.

[@paul-egz4264]

I think Eddie knew that too, he tries defending citations speed by mentioning how he never "let him go" in any of his 3yr old races... gtfoh Eddie.. cheers and RIP to all four of those legends at those tables, especially Mr Gowdy

[@paul-egz4264]

@@wizpopr here we have another one of over half a million people online who apparently attended all 3 of the 1973 triple crown races when Churchill Downs only holds 120,000 humans lololol!!!

[@josequezada7010]

@horselover stop whining secretariat still holds all Triple Crown records till this day he's the best 🐎 ever !

[@watchmanonthewall14]

@@paul-egz4264 I attended all three races, and I'm only 16 years old.

[@marilynshively670]

Even Eddie Arcaro had to admit he never saw any horse do what Secretariat did in Belmont- I was watching that race with tears in my eyes

[@watchmanonthewall14]

When one of the greatest jockeys ever (who never rode Secretariat) makes a statement like that, it gives credence to the idea that Secretariat was the greatest race horse in history. Another jockey was interviewed as part of the making of the movie Secretariat, speaking of Secretariat's Belmont performance, saying, "That horse was doing something that horses just can't do." Wow.

[@brucerobbins3584]

Eddie also said he did not think Sec could beat Citation. Wonder what he would say about the immortal Kelso. Sec's time was a perfect 12-clip. At distances less than 12 f, the records are less than a 12-clip. But with Sec's record that stops. Times are over a 12-clip.. Of course Secs record is only on dirt. Faster times have been run on turf. John Henry, Hawkster held the world's record at 2:22.4. That may have been broken. I am more surprised that Sec's record has not been broken yet. 2:26 by Easy Goer is the closest. My tears are for Sham, who broke down in the race and finished last. Never to race again. Fractured bone.

[@watchmanonthewall14]

@@brucerobbins3584 Turcotte and others have said that they thought Secretariat ran better on turf/grass than on dirt.

[@brucerobbins3584]

@@watchmanonthewall14 It might well have been the case. Some horses do better on grass. John Henry. People have told me that grass is faster; others have told me that it is slower. Like dirt, it depends on the conditions. Citation never ran on grass, so we don't know about him. But he ran on 10 different racetracks in every conceivable condition. Whether he would have done better on grass we will just not know. When he was 3, he won 19 of 20. So he could only do worse, I guess!

[@jerich8595]

In Citation's defense his comments in the Triple Crown were *Breezing* in the Ky Derby, *Galloping* in the Preakness, *Walkover* In the Belmont

[@steventesta6782]

Secretariat was a tremendous horse, that burst of speed in the Preakness from last to first without any urging is unreal. Then running off the screen in the Belmont in 2:24 amazing!!! The greatest of all time!!!

[@teddylopez747]

Both of those records have been broken, not in triple crown competition but, again the kenutcky derby distance and the preakness distance records have been broken for a while. Sec only has one world record. Get real dude. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@steventesta6782]

@@teddylopez747 How can you compare the two Kelso was an 8 year old gelding who won 39 races over 6 yrs and was a tremendous horse. Secretariat was a total monster and getting better, he would have been an absolute beast at 4. And those track records were at the 73 triple crown not at other tracks after he had a bad abscess in his mouth two weeks before the derby.

[@shopiefraccount9782]

He was just getting started, he really wanted to run around the track again. He said to Sham, “Come on Big Boy let’s race”… and off he went. Goosebumps everytime it’s just Glorious!

[@shopiefraccount9782]

@@teddylopez747 BUT and that’s a BIG but, they were NOT the Kentucky Derby, Preakness, Belmont, by a single horse. Nice try fool

[@dorothyfredrickson403]

​@@teddylopez747mpmon ononj❤on

[@teresahall7469]

Thank you for a real treat in comparing these two great beautiful horses on film. Wonderful to hear also from the famous jockeys who rode Citation and Secretariat.

[@johnforeman634]

Wow that was really cool watching the actual jockeys watching their most famous races.

[@richd3044]

Great job by Chick Anderson with the race calls in '73. You can hear the change in his tone from one race to the next. It was as if he sensed greatness was occurring right before his eyes, and the emotion and excitement in his voice coincided with what transpired.

[@stevencooke6451]

My favourite all time racing announcer. So good at capturing the moment without screaming or using clichés. I love his comment at the end of the Preakness that Turcotte has his whip put away; and Secretariat has Sham put away. Sad that he died so young.

[@chrismorfas7515]

@@stevencooke6451 Yes, and his comments in the immediate aftermath of the Derby and Belmont were so appropriate. (As I recall) "Secretariat just broke the old Kentucky Derby record" was spoken just as you describe, as if Chic was in the process of realizing just how special this horse was. Then after his very excited call during the stretch of the Belmont, he calmed a bit, stating (as I recall) "Secretariat just broke the record for a mile-and-a-half by 2 3/5 seconds. That's a record that may stand forever" as though he had already transitioned from calling the race to putting Secretariat in a historical context...There was, of course, some confusion post-Preakness as to the time.

[@blackpinkarea4827]

Thats is clear... SECRETARIAT IS THE BEST. LEGEND!!

[@stevencooke6451]

Eddie Arcaro was not only a brilliant rider, but a superb analyst of races and the sport. Not sure what year this was done (but before Turcotte's horrific accident that left him paralyzed in 1978), but he correctly identified that he would never (close to spot on) see high quality three year olds ran as four year olds. His analysis of who was the best was also perfect: it makes a great barroom discussion but cannot be answered. He did deal with the fact that nobody could have beaten Secretariat's Belmont.

[@teddylopez747]

Eddie contradicted himself. That's alot of bullshit that the belmont performance by sec is the greatest performance of any race horse ever. Arcaro was selling himself out. What bullshit, the sucker was right by the rail from the start. His kentucky derby and, preakness performances were better. YOU must not know much horse racing. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@teddylopez747]

Man, the mother was right by the rail from the start and, sham broke down and, the other two horses were two punk bums, one had lost 20 out of 23 races. Did you freakin know that einstein? Go watch kelso at the dc international in 1964. This better be good, Not even close. Kelso is the greatest racehorse of all-times, even greater than his great grandfather mow. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@Tessmage_Tessera]

@@teddylopez747 Absolutely no one agrees with you. Congratulations.

[@jm1657]

This episode was taped in 1974.

[@richardplantan4375]

Secretariat performance in 1973 in all 3 triple crown races is the greatest performance in the history of sports. To set the world record in all three races which still exists 50 years later was spectacular. To end it with the greatest race of altime at the Belmont stakes was Secretariats way of saying you will never forget me.

[@brentbeardsley655]

We'll never see a race like the 1973 Belmont Stakes again. No other horse will win by 31 lengths again. Not after a mile and a half.

[@teddylopez747]

Yah, he was right by the rail too which is the shortest route around a track and it was a fast rack and it was 2 huge sweeping turns and the only competition he had was sham and sham for some strange reason broke down and, the other two horses were bums one had lost 20 out of 23 races. Ofcaurse he won by 31 lengths which made him look even greater what competition did he have? Go watch the great kelso at the 1964 dc international against some of the best horses in the world and, how kelso de 2:23 4/5 for 1 mile and half on grass, now some people will say grass is a little faster than drt but, hell, kelso did that on 3 tight turns which are way harder than those 2 huge turns sec had a t belmont. You've got to know hoe to take those tight turns catrefully and, slow down a bit then pick up speed again. Oh and, kelso was not by the rail that whole race! Gee the great kelso did the last quarter even faster than the first quarter considering those were 3 tight turns!!!!!!!!!!! Tell me about a great horse. No horse was or, greater than 'KING KELLY' the great kelso. Most horses can't run a sloppy track, kelso set 2 records on 2 sloppy tracks! Man of war nor secretriat did that. Sec won on a sloppy track but did not set no record. Oh, kelso did it the first time when he was 3! Kelso is the greatest racehorse ever and, it's not even close buddy. Go look up kelso, gee you must not know much about the great kelso whom set records at 3 and, was still setting records at 7!!!!!!!!!! Talk about a great horse ah? KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@foots-qt4pk]

@@teddylopez747 In the list of the top 100 U.S. thoroughbred champions of the 20th Century by The Blood-Horse magazine, Kelso ranks 4th, behind only Man o' War (1st), Secretariat (2nd) and Citation (3rd). Secretariat had faster times than Man-o-War at every distance. He not only won the Triple Crown, he set World speed records in all three races that still stans today!. Secretariat's win in the Gotham Stakes tied the track record for 1 mile, he set a world record in the Marlboro Cup at ​1 1⁄8 miles, and won two major stakes races on turf. When he avenged his loss to Prove Out, he stopped the clock at 2:24 4/5, the fastest 1 ½ miles ever recorded on grass. So IDK where you have Kelso a sec faster. he just wasnt.

[@foots-qt4pk]

@@teddylopez747 foots2066 1 second ago As far as "geing on the rail". in the Derby Sec was in the 9th post out of a field of 13. In the Preakness he was in the 3ed post out of 6. Red sis well with turns. The Derby turns are tighter than the Belmont that you keep referring to. His quarter times in the Derby were- 0:25 1/5 0:24 0:23 4/5 0:23 2/5 0:23 He actually ran FASTER in each quarter than the one before. This pattern was the same in ALL his races. Obviously Kelso was a great horse. Secretariat was GREATER!

[@henniebester9437]

We'll probably also never see another race like the 1973 Kentucky Derby - the first two horses coming in under 2 minutes. Sham was a great horse.

[@foots-qt4pk]

@@henniebester9437 Absolutely he was. Any other year Sham would have been Triple Crown Winner.

[@usfanlovesjiwoo1978]

Secretariat was a phenomenon!

[@loyalamerican8776]

You heard it from a Champion jockey Eddie Arcaro that NO HORSE would have beaten Secretariat at the 1973 Belmont Stakes that day... and this includes you Man o' war!

[@teddylopez747]

He was lucky the great kelso wasn't in that race at the age of 3. Prove out would have kicked secretariat fat ass. I would have loved for prove out to been secretariats' age and, had Allen Jerkens had him. Kelso is the greatest race horse of all-times and, it's not even close. You obviously don't know hell about the great kelso. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@teddylopez747]

Eddie did contradict himself at the end, Mickey Mantle would contradict himself a times. I know I'm a Mickey Mantle fan, maybe the drinking maid him do that. Eddie also said kelso would have beaten the shit out of citation which I think is true and, an old friend of Arcaros' told Ed Bowen that and, Ed told me. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@teddylopez747]

Eddie like Mickey Mantle contradicted himself especially at the en of his life, he had even forgotten certain races. He did say kelso would have beaten the shit out citation and that goes around the internet alot. He won 98 pct of the races he had with the great kelso.They were made for each other and, perfect for each other. Nobody understood kelso better than Arcaro and, he had strong hands for kelso causse kelso was a little bully. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@neos4247]

Can we just appreciate that we can argue who was the best horse .. we all have our favourite, but let’s celebrate them all ... I would like to celebrate Secretariat, he really was just exceptional and God just out everything into him... thank u !!! The other horses were magical too and I’m glad we can debate the best horse , but let’s just celebrate our own favourite without dissing another’s... they were all amazing ❤️

[@marilynshively670]

That move by Sec in the preakness- goosebumps

[@mikebudzinski3879]

everytime i watch his races i tell myself okay dont cry this time but i do everytime

[@neos4247]

mike BUDZINSKI omg me too ... EVERY DANG TIME

[@gorgeous6737]

His Best on the Triple Crown chase

[@teddylopez747]

@bruce robbins Easy goer could have been top 5 of all-times had he not had bad ankles. One of my favorites no doubt. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@teddylopez747]

@bruce robbins Yah, easy goer is the only race horse to win the whitney, the woodward and tyhe jockey gold cup at the age of 3, but, the jockey gold cup wasn't 2 miles by then, it was a mile and a half. Kelsos' the only horse to win that package twice in a carear but, when kelso pulled that twice the jockey gold cup was 2 miles! Then again kelso was kelso and, he is in a class all by himself. Easy goer could have been top 5 if not for the bad ankles. One of my favorites. Prove out could have been on of the real greats if not for bad ankles at beginning of his carear and, he had a nasty habit of loggin in until the great Allen Jerkens got him. Prove out had great speed and, great stamina, alot of horses don't have both. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@franduncan1081]

Secretariat set the bar so high that it's almost impossible for any horse to beat.

[@pointlessaccount789]

You can argue about which is the better horse, but you can't argue with track records.

[@teddylopez747]

Hey guy, 2 of secretariats' record have been broken, not in triple crown competition but, they have been broken, the only one remaining is the belmont stakes and, big boy was right by the rail from the start to the end which is the shortest way around any track. Go watch the freakin race. Sec owns just one world record, kelso might just own one too but, look at all kelso did that lot of horses still haven't done. Like only 3 horses ever won the whitney, thee woodward and, thee jockey gold cup in one year, kelso is the only freakin horsey to pull that elephant out of his ass 2 times in a carear!!!!! That's just scratching kelsos' surface. Kelso was and, is the greatest racehorse of all-times and, no horse acomplished more, beat more champions, more international champions and, more hall of famers than any other freakin horse. You will be mind boggeled like I am. I find some things hard to believe, I waas too young in the 60s' to know just how great he really was. When he won his 3 horse of the year award there were many experts saying that he was the greatest horse of all-times. He won 2 more, that's 5 and, Ed Bowen told me he might have won 6 had some dust not got in one of his eyes of which his owner Mrs. Dupont said, he almost lost his eye. Waht more did kelso have to prove? No horse acomplished more, go look it up, he won more different stake races than any other race horse, also. Won the whitney 3 times, the woodward 3 times and, won the jockey gold cup 5 times and, that' when the gold cup was 2 miles, it's not even 1 mile and a half anymore. Nobody wants to carry weight fr 2 mile man. The longer you carry weight the more it starts to weigh, common sense right? Right. Don;t tell me abut these bullshit sprinters carrying weight, tell them to carry it for 2 miles. Kelso lost to some horses in his later years because he was giving big weight to them, horses some people say he wouldn't have beaten the shit out of at equal weights, that's the price you pay though when you're a gelding and, you're good and, you gotta stick around. Kelso was something else. No horse will ever fair better. He was really tested to the max. Oh and, where was secretariats' 22 pound heart when he got his ass kicked 5 times? KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@juliamartin4141]

Teddy Lopez get over yourself!

[@gabriellaferraz1586]

@@teddylopez747 No one cares about Kelso, no one even knows who he is! Secretariat lost only three times, one of them he ran with an injury and still came in top three. And any decent race horse can win horse of the year. Get over yourself

[@teddylopez747]

@@gabriellaferraz1586 Hey, get your stuff right, secretariat lost 5 times. I sewe you don't know much. Bless your little heart. Go look up kelso, you just don't know. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@teddylopez747]

@Diamonds_BTS_ Leathers You mean those two bums in that belmont race with sec? One was private smiles who had lost 20 out of 23 races and, the other twice a prince who wasn't much better. If that's what you're talkin bout. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@danc3831]

Secretariat was a sprinter, a miler and a distance machine. His fractions are umatched and NO horse, NONE, ever ran a race where his fractions increased over the last as the race progressed. This animal won the 1.5M Belmont, clocked 109.2 @ the 3/4 Pole and won in 2:24 flat. Do the math. This animal could run on ANYTHING in any condition. He went on the Turf after the TC and beat the great Champion Kennedy Road and Big Spruce by 8 lengths on a cold Canadian day romping home under a hand ride. He was Pegasus plain and simple and stands alone. God took great care when he fashioned this animal, the closest thing to perfection to ever wear hair.

[@watchmanonthewall14]

Amen to that!

[@teddylopez747]

Never ran the 2 miles. He punked out of the grueling 2 mile jockey gold cup cause he found out prove out the Allen Jerkens horse that had whupped his butt at the woodward, was gonna be in it. Wisely so. He went to canada instead and, carried an easy for him 117 pounds. The woodward was no fluke, prove out beat 3 other hall of famers in a span of just 2 months after he embarrashed secretariat. Prove out had bad ankles when he started and, had a terrible habit of logging in until Allen Jerkens the great trainer grabbed him and, kept him healthy and, showed him not to log in. Prove out could have been one of the true all-time greats, he had great speed and, great stamina. Sad story. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@dfreeman8240]

I take it you fancy Secretariat? Well I cant argue anything on that point. I share your sentiment. He was surreal. Beautiful is an understatement for a crackerjack of a horse such as he. Perfection. I never get tired of seeing him run. I love during the Belmont hearing the announcer say, "he's running like a tremendous machine!" "Secreatariat is all alone!" Wow. Still gives me goosebumps. He is immortal. Thanks Hid for such a magnificent horse. My favorite forever. RIP Big Red. We love you.

[@dfreeman8240]

@@teddylopez747 He had an abscess in his mouth. He pulled different and got off pace. Watch him you can see hes not running his game in that race.

[@teddylopez747]

@D Freeman Man, you must not know much about the great kelso. Secretariat was a punk next to kelso, they all are. No horse set records at 3 and, still set them at 7, that just scratching kelsos' surface. Kelso was and, is the God of all racehorses. He also had better genes than secretariat, kelso was man of wars' great grandson. Secretariat punked out of ever racing prove out again and, ducked the grueling 2 mile jockey gold cup. Trust me prove out would have fired his butt up again. Go find out how gun bow kelsos' cousin out of man of war and, sopposedy rival, ducked kelso at the 2 mile jockey gold cup. How many horses at 3 went for the 2 miles, kelso broke the record for it at 3 the first time he ran it at 3:19 2/5 and, that was on a sloppy track with standing water on it!!!!! Kelso set 2 records on sloppy tracks and, most horses are for shit on a sloppy track! Secretariat won on a sloppy track but did not break a record. This better be good Einstein. KELSOS' BGGEST FAN.

[@TheFernandosr]

I STILL GET 'GOOSE BUMPS'' !!

[@johnberger5539]

The records suggest Secretariat was the greatest. His times were 1:59.4 in the Derby, 1:53.0 in the Preakness and 2:24.0 in the Belmont and all 3 are still track records. Citation's were 2:05.4, 2:02.4 & 2:28.2 respectively. Citation's Derby time can be 'forgiven', because the track was quite wet. As for Man 'O War, he didn't run the Derby and both the Preakness and Belmont were run at shorter distances. The best indication that Secretariat was faster is that he ran 1:53 over 1 3/16 miles in the Preakness and Man 'O War ran 1:53 over 1 1/8 miles in the same race. Two other facts supporting Secretariat's superiority to any horse is that he's the only Derby winner to ever break 2:00 and no Belmont winner has come within 2 seconds of his 2:24.0 record time. Based on his time Secretariat averaged 37.5 mph over the Belmont's 1 1/2 miles. 37.5 mph is 55 fps. A horse length is 8 feet, so the second fastest Belmont winner would have been about 14 lengths behind Secretariat.

[@garywilliams2516]

Much different track conditions

[@Dmx3698]

John Berger When Eddy Arcaro was asked in a interview later in his life, he said Secretariat was the greatest horse he’d ever seen.

[@brgilbert2]

@@@Dmx3698 Still going at it Dmx????? You REALLY don't know squat about racing do you. Have you ever been to a race track in your life??? Have you EVER handi-capped a race in your life??? You probably have NO clue or ever heard of the "Daily Racing Form" I'll wager. So let me help you, as an itinerate hani-capper OWNERS, TRAINERS AND JOCKEY'S are the worst handi-cappers, meaning, when talking about the jockey's, if they were NEVER ON THE BACK of a horse then there opinion is nothing more than subjective. In fact, when Eddie Arcaro was the color commentator for some of the horse races that were televised you could tell how poor a handi-capper he was. On the other hand, when the great jockey Bill Hartack (ever heard of him, probably not) replaced Arcaro you could tell that he understood the nuances of handi-capping. And here is something else to consider. During Seattle Slews 2 year old season, he ran the "Champaign Stakes in 1:34 & 2/5ths of a second at Belmont (Iisted the track in case you've never heard of the "Champaign Stakes"). That is 2/5ths of a second off the track record set by an older horse!!! Oh, by the way, the "Champaign Stakes is for 2 year olds. Eddie Arcaro stated that, he wasn't impressed with Seattle Slew leading up to and during the Kentucky Derby. He was more impress with him after the race. If you want to learn about horse racing, the history, handi-capping etc. just ask. I'll be happy to educate you.

[@brgilbert2]

@John Berger Another idiot who uses the time of a race as a measure of greatness and I might add, has NEVER been to a race track in his life. See my REPLY above to "Scott Striker" and my post to "DMX" below. I hate repeating myself!!!

[@Dmx3698]

brgilbert2 I don’t t bet on horses. Lol I’ve been to the race track. Matter fact I’m going to watch Game Winner on March 9. Lol Are you trying to tell me you think Seattle Slew better than Secretariat?

[@RobertSnow-ok4ey]

I was 13 when Secretariat won the triple crown. I thought I would never see a greater race than Big Red’s Preakness, until he destroyed the Belmont field. All the GOAT’s at the time knew they just watched Perfection for the 1st and only time in Sports history!

[@ManjuSingh-io6ix]

Secratariat is matchless !!

[@teddylopez747]

Trust me prove out would have kicked that fat ass had sec had the guts to face him again at the grueling 2 mile jockey gold cup. He beat the shit out of secs' stable mate riva ridge who was going suicidal againts him at the cup. After one mile and a half riva went to hell and ran out of gas and, ended up last and, prove out went on to pull 3:20 for the 4the fastest timing for the 2 miles ever behind the great kelso who crazily owns the 3 fastest timings for that, being the only horse to do under 3:20 for that and, breaking the record two times of those 3 fsstest timings. First time at age 3 on a sloppy track with freakin standing water on it at 3:19 2/5 and, the last time at 3:19 1/5 on another sloppy track and, then going just 11 days later which no horse has ever done, and, breaking the record on grass againts some real good international horses and, his own cousin gun bow on 3 tight turns which were way harder than those bullshit 2 huge sweeping turns secretariat had a belmont where he was right by the rail from the start of the race. Kelso did the last quarter to that d faster than the first quarter at 23 secounds 4/5!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kelso was something else and, he looked like a deer and, at times carried 12 pct of his body weight! He was the best and, is still the best there's ever been. Kelso will never happen again. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@teddylopez747]

@bruce robbins Yah, I'm sorry, I remember you now from some kelso tributes. Bless your heart Bruce. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@teddylopez747]

@bruce robbins God bless you Bruce. He is one of my 5 lifetime idols, other than Mickey Mantle, Elvis, beatles, and, some others. Miss Dupont wanted to sell kelso, cause he was so freakin hard to train and, the trainer Hubbard i think his name was said 'this is the great grandson of the great man of war after all, so let's give it one more try' something like that[lol]! Amazing how great he turned out be considering. They say kelso still was never really nice horse[lol]! What a story! Kelso had to retire at 9 because of big injury. Funny Ed Bowen who was the big guy at BLOOD HORSE' told me kelso could have been horse of the 6 times instead of 5 had he not got some dirt in one of his yes which he almost lost, at the end of that particular season! Closest is forego with 3 horse of the year awards. I think kelso also won more different types of stake races than any other horse. Nobody put it for kelso like this fella on here somewhere who said 'Kelso was the greatest animal entertainer of all-times, at 9 he still would have won the steeple chase' I wrote back to him, 'I couldn't have put it better for kelso, you made me laugh and, you've made me cry, bless your heart'. Kelso was brought back to belmont cause the fans wanted to see him, he was 27 and, a very old horse and, he was there with forego and, John Henry, but when they announced kelso belmont wanted to fall from the long loudest ovation! Kelso looked jittery and, nervous, forego was calm and, so was John Henry. Kelso was always a nervous, moody, bully little horsey and, he must have thought he was gonna run again cause he was around so long and, the excitement might have been too much for him and, he died the next day. Allen Jerkens told me, 'I NEVER WOULD HAVE SAT ANYBODY ON HIM', gee he really thought he was gonna compete again. I'll never forget him, he was one of those phenomenons, areal circus freak and, poor kelso will never happen again. Poor kelso, he looked like a deer. My God how great he was, especially for his size. Tuff little mother[lol]! God rest his soul. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@teddylopez747]

@bruce robbins Bruce I use to talk on the phone to Mr. Jerkens once in a while he not only was a great trainer, one of the real great ones, he was a nice old guy, God rest his soul. I was gonna meet him at aquaduct but he left us. His favorite horse was citation. I thought prove out was better than beau purple or, onion any day but prove out like I said had bad ankles at the start and, had a nasty habit of logging in, until the great Allen Jerkens got a hold of him and, kept him healthy and kept him from loggin in. He beat 4 hall of famers in a span of just 2 months. Could have been one of the real greats, had great speed and, great stamina. Prove out would have given any of the greats a hell of a race. Such a sad story at the end had to retire because he got hurt one last time. I don't think secretariat wanted anything to do with prove out after the woodward. I talk to David Jerkens who is at Del mar in california and, he is Allen Jerkens' grandson. He's alright. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@harryurban4219]

Secretariat was the greatest . What he did at Belmont was unreal . One of the greatest sporting performances ever

[@jerich8595]

Poor Sham would've Been a Monster but ran into a Buzzsaw

[@teddylopez747]

Gun bow who was kelsos' cousin and, came out of man of war like the great kelso did, was better than sham. Gun bow is in the hall of fame was a speedball but, kelso showed his cousin who the boss was. Sham was a real good horsey though and, even hurt himself at the kentucky derby hittin the gate and tearing out two teeth and, bleeding at the mouth and, still did 2nd fastest timing ever for the derby and, most likely would have done better without hitting his head againts the gate. They don't mention that cause it's no good for secretariat but, they'll tell you sec lost one of his 5 races cause he had an abcess in his mouth. What freakin hipocrisy! Too much bullshit around sec for me. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@teddylopez747]

Yah, but, some people try to cover the sky with their butts. Most of these people don't know much about the great kelso. They even think we're lying. Guess they think no horse could have ever been that great. Ignorance is so pathetic. Not knowing is so sad but, not wanting to know is the saddest thing. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@jays443]

@@teddylopez747 Kelso was fantastic. I'm a big Secretariat fan, but I LOVE Kelso. Eddie Arcaro was once interviewed by Bill Nack and stated, "Kelso was the best horse I ever road." Nack said, "you've always said that Citation was the best horse you ever road." Arcaro replied, "Kelso would have kicked the shit out of Citation." Period.

[@jays443]

Sham was great. Should have been allowed to race later in his 3 yo season and as a 4 year old.

[@jerich8595]

Without a Doubt Citation has the Greatest Comments for His Triple Crown: *Breezing* in the Ky Derby, *Galloping* in the Preakness, *Walkover* in the Belmont even though Secretariat has all 3 Triple Crown Track Records[Broke Clock in Preakness] that will Span for 100s of years maybe thousands LOL

[@janetgallo5720]

I didn’t see a patient, but I saw secretariet. Not only his feed, but his magnificent luxe and his personality, he seem to like people made him a superstar.

[@RissaFirecat]

I watched secretariat all three races. Every. Single. Race. He went faster. It's like that horse had invisible wings! What an amazing beauty!

[@milenekransen9426]

Amazing performance from my big boy secretariat , amazing

[@billhickman7903]

The story, words, passion down to chic herns calling the race..just awesome and glad i lived to see it

[@foots-qt4pk]

Eddie Arcaro was Bold Rulers jockey, Secretariats sire

[@teddylopez747]

@bruce robbins Arcaro said kelso would have beaten the shit out of citation and, some expert said he told him so. Arcaro rode citation before citation got hurt. Kelso and, it's not even freakin close! KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@teddylopez747]

@bruce robbins I have more respect for cy than for secretariat. I have cy as third greatest. Kelso, then man of war then cy, forego is around there cause he had a bad leg, gotta give him that respect even though he was a giraffe of a horse[lol]! I hear you. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@greygoose3600]

Man o War....Good Horse Secretariat..... GREAT HORSE!!!

[@silverguard8105]

No. Both were phenomenal horses. The two best to step on an American racetrack.

[@HTHAMMACK1]

No, Man of War was a great, legendary horse. I think Secretariat was better, but Man of War is still a legendary horse.

[@teddylopez747]

@@HTHAMMACK1 Kelso was and, is the greatest and it's not even freakin close. For 5 years when he was horse of the year he was beating the 3 year old champions of those years and, kicking older horses asses too. Top that dude! Not even freakin close. Oh and for those 5 years he was also winning the 2 mile jockey gold cup and, holds the 3 fastest timings in those. No horse holds more than 1 fastest timing for any distance. Are you crazy? Kelso said f you to all the horses ever. KELSOS' BIOGGEST FAN.

[@etacarinae5558]

two great horse's.....two great jockeys.

[@saltychips4866]

Gold star Horses - plural.

[@teddylopez747]

Kelso was better than both of them but, Eddie wasn't there for kelso. He said kelso would have beaten the shit out of citation. Go figure. Citation was one of the greats but, he got hurt cause the owner himself said he ran him too much at 3 and, burnt him out. Forego had a bad leg, was one of the greats, guess he would have been even better without that bad leg. Easy goer had he not had bad ankles and, consider the time man of war raced in when the tracks were in worst conditons and, he wore iron shoes which would have slowed him down, the alluminum shoes came up in the 1940s. Look at the weight mow was carrying and, they use no gates. Look at the great horses that came out of mow especially his greatest decendent the great kelso who was his great grandson. Prove out had he not had bad ankles and, got hurt at the start and, not had a nasty habit of logging in till Allen Jerkens got him. Kelso suffered from colic pain all his life so kelso was not the soundest horse neither. Most likely kelso would have been even better had he not suffered from colic pain, they say he died from that. Hard to imagine kelso being better than he was but had he nit had to give away so much weight his record would have looked even better! He was freakin unbelievable kelso. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@brettwilkinson9529]

Man o' War, Gallant Fox , Count fleet, Pharlap, Seabiscuit, Whirlaway , Citation, Native Dancer , Northern Dancer , Secretariat........the list goes on

[@teddylopez747]

Gee, einstein you must have never heard of kelso or, no nothing about the greatest of them all. You gotta be kidding, to even leave him out of the a list like that. Go look up the great kelso and, get back to me. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@brettwilkinson9529]

@@teddylopez747 hadn't forgotten him.He's part of the list goes on.... like Tulloch, Carbine, Cigar, Dr.Fager, Nijinsky,Mill Reef, Ribot, Round Table, Might and Power, Kelso and the list goes on........

[@teddylopez747]

@@brettwilkinson9529 Thank you Brett.

[@MrLew1965]

Lot's of Blabbing in this comment section about superiors to Secretariat !! No 3 year-old horse will ever duplicate the performance of Secretariat at the 1973 Belmont, it's impossible and it's that simple !! He was the greatest 3 year old ever and has the records to prove it, the rest is hearsay !!! RIP Big Red !!

[@Tessmage_Tessera]

Let them babble. According to the official record books, there is no superior to Secretariat.

[@Johnny53kgb-nsa]

It's tough to compare horses from different generations, but, I myself would say Secretariat is the greatest of all time. He broke the world record time in all three triple crown races, a record that still to this day stands.

[@OfficialMuffiin]

His mile and a 1/4 speed record was broken in the 80's by a horse called Spectacular Bid.

[@bbwalk100]

@@OfficialMuffiin Which race was that?

[@OfficialMuffiin]

@@bbwalk100 1980 strub stakes kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXXFgKyratmHfJY

[@teddylopez747]

Gun bow who was kelsos' cousin and, sopposedly rivals' timing for 1 mile and, 1/16 is pretty damn close to secretariats. Gun bow was better than sham and, he's in the hall of fame, would have given secretariat a run for his money at equal weights. Kelso showed gun bow who the real boss was though. I remember those kelso-gunbow races, it was like Ali-Frazier[lol]! I ws too young back in the 60s to know just how great kelso really was. You better believe there were alot of experts saying he was the greatest race horse of all-times after he won his 3rd horse of the year title and, he won 5 and, would have won 6 like Ed Bowen said but, he got some dust in one eye and, almost lost the eye and, missed part of the season he might have won his 6th horse of the year. He still is the greatest. Not even close. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@Johnny53kgb-nsa]

@Sophia Schommer you are right, I stand corrected. Thanks

[@bobbywise2313]

Awesome interview with two legendary Jockeys. I wondered how he would compare Whirl A Way and Citation. It seems he made it clear there was no comparison and of all people he would know. I also liked his honest answer when he said no horse would have beaten Secretariat on his Belmont run. But both horses were amongst the best ever.

[@walterpalmer2749]

It’s all speculation. Reality is in their day they were the best. That should be enough for any man.

[@teddylopez747]

Kelso was the greatest and is the greatest of them all. No horse was ever a great horse at 3 and, won the horse of the year award and, was a great handicap horse at 5 who won horse of the year at 5, kelso was also a great handicap horse at 4, 6 and, 7 and, won horse of the year those same years. Forget about it, it's not even freakin close. Kelso is in a class all by himself. My God and, he only weighed 900 pounds. Where was secretariats 22 pound heart which was soppose to be an advange as far as oxegen, when he got his fat ass kicked? You gotta be freakin kidding, kelso is the greatest of them all and, it's not even close. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@spooge33]

@@teddylopez747 Jeez, lighten up Francis.

[@spooge33]

@@teddylopez747 I'd love to say Kelso had a lot of balls but....................nope.

[@magicpainthorse]

I had a horse who was a great-granddaughter of Citation, so he holds a special place in my heart. Flower's Bubble was the horse of a lifetime; a big beautiful mahogany bay mare. She didn't do much on the track but it was a thrill to ride her and even to just to look at her. I feel so blessed to have known this wonderful mare.

[@gilbanks]

I had forgotten what a very good field that was in 1973. Secretariat not only won, he won impressively against some very good competition.

[@brucerobbins3584]

If Secretariat won by 31 lengths, that means the other horses would have finished in 2:30, not a very impressive time.

[@sohillsvettech1624]

Bruce sorry your wrong with that. The other horses came in around 2:27 or roughly the time American Pharoah won his Belmont. Food for thought. Also AP win at 2:26 3/5 was the 6th faster Belmont

[@teddylopez747]

@@sohillsvettech1624 Those horses weren't right by the rail from the start and, all the way. Hell you been cheif? The mother was right by the rail and, look at the competition he had in that particular race. How many times must I repeat myself on here? Who you kidding? Come on man! Are you for real? Go watch kelso at the dc international 1964 and, tell me about a great horse, go look at how just 11 days before he broke the record on dirt for 2 miles for the jockey gold cup on a sloppy track. No horse has ever broken a record on dirt and then on grass just 11 days apart. My God, is it that you just don't know? Lord have mercy on you. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@teddylopez747]

@bruce robbins Yah, and, at the derby sham hit his head againts the gate and, tore out 2 teeth and, was bleeding at the mouth but, the hipocrits won't tell you that cause that's not good for sec/ What hipocrisy. Who the hell are they kidding? They'll tell you sec lost one of his 5 races loses because he had an abcess in his mouth though. What hipocrisy! Shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@vernonfrance2974]

@@teddylopez747 Twice a Prince, My Gallant and Sham were very good horses. Secretariat's time of 2:24 in the Belmont is still a world record on dirt. He has the best time in the Derby and was not on the rail but in the middle of the track traveling farther than the rest. He set a track and world record in the Marlboro Cup beating his stablemate and other good older horses despite running regularly since his two year old season with no time off. Like Kelso he was also good on turf winning two out of two and beating the best turf horses outside of Europe. Kelso was a gelding and ran great through his ninth year. Another great gelding was Forego and he lost to Secretariat by finishing fourth in the Derby. Kelso deserves a lot of acclaim but he was never as brilliant in his style as is true of all other famous horses when compared to Secretariat.

[@SterlingRe]

The thing that truly amazes me is Secretariat didn’t have great starts in both the derby and the Preakness. Still set track records for both races. I can only imagine what his times would have been if he got out fast like he did at the Belmont. What an incredible horse.

[@paul-egz4264]

Lol.. citations jockey eddie was so old and salty, saying " I never let him go " since he was sitting next to the fastest triple crown jockey ever Ronnie Turcotte

[@teddylopez747]

Well Eddie also said that when he first rode kelso the first year he would hold him back a bit, to keep them from putting even more weight on him. That means gee how many more records would have kelso broken had he let him go all out and, how many more races would kelso have won by double digits and, he won double digits as it was!!!! Eddie won almost all his races with kelso. He was getting old by the time he rode kelso and, it was sad cause no one understood kelso better and, he told Valenzuela who came in to ride KING KELLY how to ride him. Someone said with Arcaro and kelso it was the greatest jockey of all-times at the end of his carear and, the greatest race horse of all-times at the start of his carear, so sad, gee you wonder what had Eddie been young and, rode kelso longer. They were almost unbeatable together. Kelso was something else. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@roundtable3501]

Teddy Lopez Stop bringing up Kelso on every single thread! It’s quite pathetic! It shows how desperate and childish you are!

[@teddylopez747]

That's cause I have to come down to your level to sink it into you that kelso was ands, is the greatest racehorse of all-times/ Why the hell do I come down to levels. You just don't know any better. Really that's your problem. Not even close with kelso Nick, you'll survive. Rude awakening isn't it? Nobody more blind that one who could see and, refuses to see. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@roundtable3501]

Teddy Lopez No, sorry, I’m not blindly believing what you do. You’re the most biased arguer ever and are a big liar! You even say everyone you’re “Kelso’s biggest fan.” That ends it right there, you’re subjective, selective, and childish with your points. As I mentioned, you feel the need to bring Kelso up every time a horse is mentioned because of your desperation. Guess what, not everyone thinks like you! And you sure ain’t that smart either! Not only do you say all of this, but you double down and say “it’s not even close.” If it was truly like that, then kelso would be rated number 1 on every all time lists, and we wouldn’t be arguing about it. But we are, which in itself disproves your ridiculous point. I love kelso and think he’s one of the best. One of the best, but not the greatest. I’d rate him about 4th all time. Which is exactly what the blood horse list rates him. And I know your mindless points you bring up every time. The mile and a half record on turf is 2:22 3/5 currently, so his 1964 international was far from the best performance ever. It’s just a typical talking point by you. You also fail to bring up that he lost that same race 3 years in a row and was only 3 for 8 on turf. Like I said, you’re selective. You don’t mention the fact that kelso never did better than 1:48 for a mile and an eight on dirt, which is very weak, and never better than 2:00 for a mile and a quarter. No, only your same 3 or so talking points that you mention every time. Look, I’ve seen you comment for years. Those Kindergarten antics don’t work on me pal. I’m a thinker. I value using a thing called logic and reasoning. I don’t let my emotions decide the best horse ever for me and then say I’m their “biggest fan.” Because if I did, I’d have no business arguing about it.

[@teddylopez747]

Ah einstein, kelso ran most of his races in ny at the aquaduct which has sharper tighter turns that that bullshit belmont park with those wider turns that are much easier on the horses. Bet you didn't know that. Go look that up. I know more people in the horse racing world than you will if you live two lifetimes. I give up on you dude, keep sleeping on that side of the bed. You're in denial. Oh and, trust me prove out who was an Allen Jerkens horse and, beat your fat ass steroid boy at the woodward would have fired secretariats' fat ass all over again had he faced him at the 2 mile jockey gold cup, by the way prove out did 3:20 flat that's the secound fastest horse ever to run that and, alot of great horses ran it like citation who did 3:21 3/5 on a fast track, forego did 3:21 2/5 on a fast track, prove out holds the 4th fastest timing for it. Hey einstein guess who holds the 3 fastest timings for that? Bingo, the great kelso who broke the record 2 times on sloppy tracks, the first time when he was just 3 and, that was a sloppy track with standing water when he did 3:19 2/5, gee what would have kelso done on a fast track? You tell me eisnstein, kelso broke the record again at it at 7 when he did 3:19 1/5 on another sloppy track. No freakin horse had kelsos' stamina it's not just about speed dude kelso also had great tactical speed which came in handy with those tight turns at the dc international when he did 2:23 4/5 for 1 mile and a half with no gates on 3 tight turns, he did thae last quarter faster than he did the first quarter!. That was just 11 days after he broke his own record for the 2 mile jockey gold cup on a sloppy track. No horse ever broke a record on dirt and, then just 11 days later broeak a record on grass. Kelso said f you to all the horses of all-times. I quit. Good luck with whatever it is guy. Kelso and, it' not even close. Get me another race horse who broke records at 3 and still broke records at 7. Kelso broke 2 records on sloppy track, secretariat and man of war fell short on that. Some horses can't even run on a sloppy track, Dude you gotta be kidding. Secretariat was a punk next to kelso. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@richardmorris6365]

Very nicely put Eddie,im 1 who thinks Secratariat was the fastest horse ever but theres always good days & bad so onany given day a horse like ManO War ,Cout Fleet,Citation or Swaps could have won a match race here or there. I think if we raced themm all 10 times Secratariat would beat the rest 8 times of 10.

[@milenekransen9426]

God i wishes i was there to see my big boy secretariat

[@scottm9010]

That was amazing to watch. What a find! Gold

[@merlin5by533]

There is an all powerful God, and He has hooves. Thanks for the Visit.

[@skeebo9322]

Sham, at that time, had the second fastest times ever in both the Derby and Preakness. No one beats Secretariat that day of the Belmont but I can argue that had Sham not been ridden horribly by his jockey that would've ended 73 with the 2nd fastest time in the Belmont as well. Just wasn't his time. Call it unlucky to be born the same year as the great Big Red. Mad respect Sham🙇

[@foots-qt4pk]

Pincay beat the life out of Sham, that poor horse. Sham and Red were cousins, through their moms and both inherited the big hearts, and from the grandsire, Princequillo, they both got endurance. It would seem the deciding factor was Bold Ruler speed. But I wonder how Sham would have fared with a different rider, like Turcotte or Eddie Maple?

[@skeebo9322]

@@foots-qt4pk they all loss before

[@skeebo9322]

@@foots-qt4pk I saw that same documentary about them being related and heart size

[@skeebo9322]

@horselover times aren't important? Covering the same distance in the shorter amount of time isn't important? Yeah that makes sense. Can't debate points that don't make sense. Secretariat abd Sham both have faster Derby and Preakness times than the horse you're a fan of so use your other reasons

[@skeebo9322]

@horselover yes with fastest times being the #1 most important factor. He covered those distances against the best of his year faster than your guy. I get it all. You're obviously choosing to use bias first then facts second. I start with the facts. You can say the horses you name have a better legacy per se but you can't argue that they're faster than Sham.

[@jeffwestcott5811]

SECRETARIAT,......fashioned by the HAND OF GOD himself........THE GREATEST HORSE EVER....greater than man o'war, citation, whirlaway and ALL OF THEM1

[@ciannika]

Fuck right

[@karolinesmail489]

I agree he was a gift from God!🏇🏇🏇

[@jeffwestcott5811]

@@karolinesmail489 thanks for your reply Karoline,...there are some great youtube videos on Secretariat's greatest races....just google Secretariat on youtube...Take care,..I hope you are faring well during this crazy coronavirus situation...jeff w.

[@steveker5084]

Citation looked like one mean-lean-fighting machine. Words fail me to describe Secretariat. Never seen so much sheer muscle and raw power in a horse. Tip my hat to both, as well as so many of those horse who gave them a go for the money, Sham, etc. Wonderful, wonderful hoses. Ever doubt God's existence, take a long good look at a race horse. My God, they are divine.

[@sixwest]

Some say the jockey makes the horse and that may be true but here's an historical nugget...the Belmont Stakes is not the last race of the day... there's one more race that day. Ron Turcott had to race one more time after riding Secretariat that day on June 9, 1973...and...he finished last!

[@teddylopez747]

True it takes a great jockey too. Eddie Arcaro came in to ride the great kelso when he[Arcaro] was getting old and, about to retire and they were almost unbeatable together. Cause nobody understood kelso better than Eddie. Kelso even after he was gelded was never really a nice horse they say, but, he must have had a liking to Arcaro. Somebody said it was sad in a way cause it was the greatest jockey ever at the end of his carear riding the greatest horse ever at the start of his carear. Valenzuela was great who came in to ride kelso with Eddies' advice but, gee what would have happenned had Arcaro been young just when he started to ride the great kelso. Go look up his record with the great kelso. He even said there were times he would hold kelso back at the begginning of kelsos' carear so that they wouldn't put even more weight on kelso! Gee guess how many more records kelso would have broken. Then again they would have killed him with so much more weight. He was un freakin believable. Arcaro and, kelso were like Lennon and, Mc'Cartney in song writing[lol]! Shoemaker just didn't have strong enough hands for kelso, Arcaro did, kelso was a tuff little skinny sob, he was all nerves that one, that's why they gelded him and, still he was a bully. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@docd2295]

This is just the best solid basic to the point tv on sports we need. No fuss, to the point, educational.

[@gchukma]

Some horses know they were meant for greatness.

[@WilliamHill-in6yz]

Eddie was right,no horse was gonna outrun big Red that day,records still hold.

[@gboo9490]

All of the horses was all out at the time in the preekness when secatariat made his move on the outside.

[@mmmattf6968]

Let's not forget Sec. Beat a full field of very good horses in the Derby & ran 2.24 in the Bel. Galloping the last 1/2.& Broke turf records too.

[@francesmeyer8478]

I was a month old when Citation won the Triple Crown in 1948. I grew up hearing about Citation. When Secretariat won the Triple Crown in 1973 I was 25 and the mother of a year-old baby boy. That son grew up hearing about Secretariat. And so it goes.

[@cynthiaweathers6979]

These two jockeys have the uniqueness of being one ofs. Eddie winning two Triple Crown races and Ronnie breaking Track records with Big Red that probably will never be broken. Greatness.

[@gchukma]

When Big Red had to be put down they discovered that his heart was at least twice the size of any other race horse. It takes a lot of heart to do what Red was able to achieve.

[@ValleyoftheRogue]

Citation was a great horse, no question, and Arcaro's favorite, but even Arcaro had to admit no horse was ever going to be able to do what Secretariat did that day at Belmont Park. What Arcaro and every other person who witnessed that race, whether in person, on live television that day, or in replays ever since, was a true genetic freak in Secretariat. He was a freak in the best sense of the word, and nobody would ever see another one like him ever again.

[@crystalglass7106]

Secretariat was retired and set out to stud shortly thereafter. One or two more races, can't recall. I'm sure he enjoyed his second career

[@sonnestt]

It really puts things in perspective when they all stand...you definitely can't be tall and be a great jockey....these two are champions 🏆

[@wandaburns8075]

Two great jockeys, that deserve a lot of credit.

[@franduncan1081]

Watched the Belmont yesterday, the 50th Anniversary of Secretariats win and his record still stands 50 years later..His son Risen Star did a great job in 1988 but no one will ever match the great Secretariat...

[@chrismorfas7515]

Secretariat was of course a majestically beautiful horse, but Citation is also quite impressive in that regard, especially given that we're looking at film from 1948...I found very interesting Arcaro's comments about never having let Citation run (in the way that Secretariat was permitted to do in the Preakness and Belmont). He seemed to be expressing regret that perhaps Citation had a Secretariat-in-the-Belmont effort in him and we never got to see it.

[@newerafrican]

Chris, this is your cousin, Chris! I’m a Secretariat geek, too! Watching theKentucky Derby!

[@christhompson3750]

No one has touched Big Red's times to this day. He owned those races.

[@dennistierney8232]

Coaltown looked like he was under stout restraint when Citation went by. The jockeys split the purse by agreement. The Wrights wanted Citation to win. Coaltown may have been the better horse that day.

[@perryellis1423]

I say Citation was the best horse, but I definitely agree with Eddie Arcao I don't have any horse beating Secretariat in the Belmont stakes that day , the way he performed, he moved like a tremendous machine. But I must play this card, what if sham had never quit, then what, or let's play this card replace Sham with Citation as a 3 yr old, do you think Citation would quit..hell no, and Eddie just said he ran Citation at a 133 mile record, so put that on your thinking cap🤔

[@royboy9361]

In the end, even Eddie had to admit no horse could have beaten Secretariat in the 105th Belmont.

[@nicholassantosuosso3476]

Does not Secretariat have the best times of all time?

[@jays443]

Secretariat owns the stakes time records for each of the three Triple Crown events... 47 years later.

[@jeanfish7]

We will never really know as Citation never actually had to race Secretariat...he may have surprised us all.

[@teddylopez747]

Secretariat was a punk compared to the great kelso. He was a chicken who ducked prove out at the grueling 2 mile jockey gold cup. Trust me prove out would have fired that ass up again. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@thrill_lords8409]

@@teddylopez747 I have seen you on so many videos of sectariat. I’m jus now getting into horse racing. 31 lengths is something special. Isn’t it not ? I get you’re tryin to push your favorite horse! DO IT ! Sectariat lost what 5 outta his 21 races ? Could be wrong. It’s like comparing Lebron James and Jordan two different eras. 1963 to 1973 it a ten year gap. You can’t compare the two. Two different eras. You keep pushing kelso and I will watch his races. Study and learn this race horsing thing ! I’ll come back to this vid after I see a few races from kelso and comment on this vid and give you you’re my input on kelso. Remind you jus now getting into horse racing

[@dougr4796]

if you watch when Secretariat was running in the stretch Ronnie rarely whipped him if ever. wonder what he would of done if he had

[@teddylopez747]

Didn't have to he was sent all out from the start and, he was right by the rail from the start. Sorry to break your heart. Go look up kelso at the 1964 dc international. This better be good. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@Tessmage_Tessera]

@@teddylopez747 Kelso is dog food. Grow up.

[@lj291261]

There not enough adjectives in the English language to describe the wonder horse Secretariat!

[@janetgallo5720]

Ron Turcot ran in the 1972 Triple Crown and won the Kentucky Derby and the Belmont on Riva Ridge

[@nsecchi1]

Kurt Gowdy failed to mention the greatest of all the Calumet horses, the great Whirlaway.

[@TheJustjim3333]

Arcade mentions that Whirlaway was no Citation

[@richd3044]

You have to take Arcaro's comments with a grain of salt to some degree. Arcaro only rode Whirlaway seven times of the horse's total 60 career races. I do think that Citation was better than Whirlaway, but not by much. Whirlaway set the track record in the Kentucky Derby at that time and also smashed the Jockey Club Gold Cup record later that year although he lost by a nose to Market Wise. Arcaro also says in this program that the only time Citation was allowed to run was when he set the mile world record at Golden Gate. Gee, what a shame that he wasn't allowed to run against Noor. Maybe he would have actually beaten that horse!

[@nsecchi7811]

@@TheJustjim3333 Citation was a great horse and to choose between the two is a matter of opinion. But Whirlaway was a national hero during the war years. Mr. Longtail (Whirlaway) was used to sell war barns. Soldiers gather around their radios whenever he ran a race. Citation, as well as his stablemate, Ponder, beat Noor in their first race at San Antonio. Also Citation carried a twenty-four-pound weight handicap.

[@jays443]

nsecchi - I love Whirlaway! Under appreciated by most!

[@teddylopez747]

Arcaro said the greatest horse he ever rode was the great kelso, he harldy even lost with kelso. Won about 98 pct of his races with kelso. He understood kelso better than anybody. Too bad he was on his way out and, kelso had just came in. They were the perfect match. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@michaelrodriguez3327]

Has the record of secretariat been broken or got near of being broken? Exactly....

[@jays443]

Secretariat's Triple Crown times have never been approached. His Belmont and Preakness times may stand forever. Only two other horses have broken the 2 minute barrier in the Derby - Sham unofficially holds the second fastest time ever. Monarchos (2001) officially holds the 2nd fastest time, but it was on an admittedly "juiced" up track and Monarchos never ran well again after that race.

[@kavemanbites]

Citation Derby time.....205.4 Secretariat 1.59 2/5ths there is no comparison!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@brgilbert2]

[Scott Striker] Anyone who would use the time of a race, especially the time of a race that is separated by 25 years is NOT ONLY an idiot, but someone who has NEVER BEEN to a RACE TRACK, ever opened "The Daily Racing Form" let alone knows what one is, NEVER handi-capped a race, has NO idea what a "dull fast track" is versus a "lightning fast" fast track or "good" or "sloppy" or "slow" or "muddy" race track is, doesn't understand what pari-mutual wagering is and has NEVER seen a thoroughbred in his entire life except on tv!!!!!!!! I think that about sums up your knowledge of thoroughbred racing. On the other hand I say to you, visit your local track during a race meet and enjoy yourself. If you think you may like horses you will probably enjoy yourself.

[@foots-qt4pk]

@mac WHY are you SO confrontational? Lets talk like rational people and take your comments one at a time and deal with facts. not emotions. Red wasnt pushed. Show me evidence that Ron EVER did anything but hand ride him. A horse that is being pushed isnt retired to stud at 3 years old. Like Kelso. they run them way past their prime until an injury ends their career. I dont even know WHAT you mean about stealing a nickname So I will just shake my head. As far as fans etc shoving Red down peoples throats. I dont see it. What I saw was a lot of folks in LOVE with a great athlete. Certainly your not suggesting that PR can make a horse run faster?? lol! I feel confident in saying that the Derby, Belmont, and Preakness have been run on the very same tracks for over 100 years. Riding styles and so on...Arcaro was arguably the best jockey ever. Do you know someone who would have done a better job? In the end it DOES come down to time. Thats what wins races and thats what distinquishes one athlete from another. A horses speed depends on their own abilities. Period. Dont take it so personally that he was a better horse than Citation. All 3 of Reds Triple Crown records still stand after 46 years. Thats A LOT of horses he is better than!

[@watchmanonthewall14]

@@foots-qt4pk Thanks for laying it all out and setting the record straight. Both magnificent horses, but Big Red was the best ever.

[@foots-qt4pk]

@@watchmanonthewall14 Citation was a GREAT horse! Red was a FORCE OF NATURE!! Lately Ive been LOVING watching his last race in Toronto! Such a pre-race build-up about Kennedy Road was going to beat the horse of the century. Red stays behind him for a mile just lopping along all casual. THEN,,,at about the 2 min mark he passes Kennedy by 1 length. sort of stays there for a few seconds like he's making sure everyone can see him, then he goes into show off mode! lol! Ive never seen such a burst of speed! Gives me chills! The footage is so clear you can really appreciate his power! kzbin.info/www/bejne/haiVfZaMmc6dqpo

[@watchmanonthewall14]

@@foots-qt4pk "And there he goes! There he goes!"

[@jacoblowe8101]

I want a video comparing all the triple crown winners

[@elizabeth515]

I will always love SECRETARIAT

[@darylabbott2032]

Agree brother no comparison!

[@redneck5198]

Ever wonder what Secretariat's times would have been if Turcotte spanked him down the stretch like the other horses got spanked? Hey Big Red let's go to warp speed.

[@youronestopforfunnyfakenew1112]

I honestly do not think you can really compare these two legends! Both raced against different opposition, different ground and weather conditions distances etc . The only true way to tell which horse is the best is 10 one on one match races and best of the ten is the best no questions asked. Horses are like us they have off days so you will get different results each time they race. So doing a best of ten.a few weeks apart is the best way to find who is the best. Having said that, you could do the same thing the following year and get a completely different result . This was done with quite a few breeding stallions and mares back in the day. Pretty sure they done some thing like that in private with Man O War another great legend,

[@teddylopez747]

Kelso was better than both of them, way better. Horse of the year 5 times in a row and, only horse to win that that many times and, he was beating the 3 year old champions of each of those years at the age of 4 beating them giving weight to them till he was 7. Kelso beat carry back during those years, who had won 2 triple crown races! During those same 5 years that he was horse of the year he was winning among other stake races, the 2 mile jockey gold cup each year breaking the record two times doing so on 2 sloppy tracks, the first time at 3, with standing water on it! He wons the 3 fastest timings for that 2 mile race and, is the only horse to do under 3:20 for a timing for that!!!!!!!! Citation did 3:21 3/5 at age 3 on a fast track and, forego did 3:21 2/5 on a fast track. Kelso is the only horse of the 3 to ever win the whitney, the woodward and, the jockey gold cup to ever in that two times in a carear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kelso said bye to all the great horses, he beat more champions, more international champions and, more hall of famers than any other race horse of all freakin time, that alone makes him a hell of a candidate for being the greatest race horse of all-times, never mind all those crazy things that only he's ever done! It's not even close. Kelso is in a class all by himself. Poor kelso he looked like a deer. Amazing how great he became for a horse that had to be gelded cause he was so hard to train that his owner Mrs. Dupont was gonna sell him! What a story! Kelso will never happen again. He lost to some horses that he was giving away good weight to that he would have beaten the crap out of at equal weight. That's what they use to do to the real good horses, the more they win the more weight they would put on them. There aren't even many handicap races anymore, no one wants to give an advantage to another good horse. They say giving a horse 5 pounds is giving them an x amount of lengths head start. Kelso was something else. The very best that has ever been. Just that some people don't know any better. KELSOS BIGGEST FAN.

[@teddylopez747]

You are freakin telling me secretariat faced as good competition as kelso did? You're freakin nuts. Kelso when he was horse of the year 5 times beat the 3 year old champs of each of those years and, older horses too. You just don't know any better, is that what it is? Kelso is in a class by himself. Not even close einstein. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@ericksonbauit9736]

Big red record 1/59 citation 2/05 ...simply big red secretariat fastest no comparison.

[@charlesdavis7523]

Idiot, look at the track citation ran on in the derby. Track maintainece came a long way in 25 years. Track condition affects time.

[@anthonyguerriero3752]

For me thats a nice way of saying by Eddie that Secretariat was the greatest ever without dissing Citation they all have there opinions but Eddie knows Citation was a great horse but he also knows Big Red was a one of kind a horse like Ronnie was saying was getting better and better as a three year old if they didnt end Big Reds racing career you would have seen many races as a four year old similar to the Belmont with Big Red crushing the competition .... what did he win by 32 lengths nobody has come close to doing that or the record time Red won the race at ... Red was a one of kind horse

[@elchantajista]

The 73 11:57 Preakness showed what was bout to happen in the Belmont, that sudden from last to first around the curve , must of made Shams connection realize they had no chance, it’s no wonder, they tried to burn big red out,sacrificed Sham in hopes Secretary would collapse as well

[@Diva7Va]

Go Shecky Go! Fire up those two massive Princequillo engines behind you!

[@stevimichael5553]

Secretariat was great, no argument. I still wonder why Arcaro never gave credit to Whirlaway who won the Belmont in 1941 about 7 seconds slower than big red. That race in 1941 was purposely slow because the other jockeys slowed it down to see if they could then get Whirlaway to settlr in with them, then they would take off and leave him. That didnt happen. Whirlaway in the Preakness was so far behind, the camera couldnt pick him up, but, he won! Arcaro said he held the reins on Whirlaway to keep from falling off. He also said he really wasn't controlling him. The horse, Whirlaway, did what he wanted to and was the triple crown winner in 1941. So, it's hard to compare apples to oranges. I think each horse must stand on its own merit and judged based on the times, conditions, health, rider and the horse itself.

[@jays443]

Stevi Michael - I agree with you: Whirlaway was a great horse. If you get the chance, get the biography on him entitled “Here Comes Whirlaway!” Also, Bud Greenspan did a documentary on him for ESPN. It’s on my channel.

[@stevimichael5553]

@@jays443 thanks for the info Jay...

[@teddylopez747]

Arcaro said the best horse he ever rode was the great kelso and, that kelso would have beaten the shit out of citation. Ed Bowen who is retired now and, I know and, was the big guy at BLOOD HORSE' told me a friend of Arcaros' who's still alive told him Arcaro had confessed him that. Never mind whirlaway. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@headshotsongs9465]

Hard to beat Secretariats heart. It was almost twice the size as a normal race horse. Fight that going down the stretch.

[@teddylopez747]

Yah, where was the 22 pound heart when sec got his ass kicked? Kelso looked like a deer and, was beating big strong looking horses, some giving away weight to them giving them the advantage. Yah, where was the big heart which secretariat was getting more oxegen from, when he got his ass kicked 5 times?KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@Tessmage_Tessera]

@@teddylopez747 You really should remember to take your bipolar meds, before you start posting comments. Just a suggestion.

[@marilynshively670]

Well there aren't 20 horses in the field--- there shouldn't be that many horses in the Derby anyway.

[@wizard9403]

Finally a voice of reason!

[@karolinesmail489]

Agreed too many nowadays

[@janetgallo5720]

I thought Angel light won the wood memorial not shecky green , like you just said.

[@ltjjenkins]

Ill bet Ronnie T wasn't thinking it was all downhill after the Derby when Big Red decided he was the strategist in the Preakness.

[@AceGoodheart]

I guess I just don't get it. I read in the comments people getting goosebumps or teary eyed watching these horses race. I enjoy watching the race but I don't get emotional over it. Do they have those same emotions watching humans run around a track? I will say though, it was very impressive what Secretariat did that race at Belmont. Wow, that was fast.

[@nancyjanzen5676]

So I read an article on Google that listed Coaltown as the 1948 Triple Crown champion. Experts that really dont know what they are talking about is the media today.

[@goozy6790]

secretariat is the greatest. .if i will cmpare other great horse.that would be sham,

[@skeebo9322]

Sham might be the 2nd greatest horse of all time

[@skeebo9322]

@horselover well since he had the 2nd fastest times in the Preakness and Derby up until fairly recently and only a dumb run race prevented him from more than likely having the 2nd fastest in the Belmont. But you do as you're told and don't do the research

[@skeebo9322]

@horselover You do know that at the end of the day the goal is to make it to the finish line the fastest which is based on this little thing call time? But you know better. I guess 🤔🤷

[@teddylopez747]

Ed Bowen who I know and, was the big guy at Blood Horse for years told me he thought gun bow who was sopposedly kelsos' rival and, was kelsos' speedball cousin out of man of war, was betters than sham, gun bow is in the hall of fame. Gun bow would have given secretariat a run for his money. Gun bow was better than sham. Kelso was better than secretariat and, all respects to man of war. Kelso to me was better than his great grand father man of war. Kelso set 2 records on sloppy tracks, neither man of war or, secretariat ever set a record on slop. Sec won on a sloppy track but, failed to break a record. Oh, kelso broke it at 3, so don't give me that bullshit that secretariat and, man of war didn't run pass 3 or might have done. Shit, kelso did it a 3 and, at the 2 miles which was the tuffest race in the world then went and, did it at 7.He was breaking records at 3 and, still breaking records at 7, n other horse has ever pulled that elephant out of his ass. Go look up kelso and, how he showed his speedball cousin gun bow who the boss was. Gun bow ducked kelso in the 2 mile jockey gold cup. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@teddylopez747]

@Joe Blow You don't know shit about horse racing. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@GlenStace]

Because of Sham being the rabbit the finish time for Secretariat was what it was.

[@perryellis1423]

Eddie Arcao the best jockey and two time tripple crown winner said he never let Citation run, which means he always held him back to save horse, he said when he let him run he ran a 1:33 mile record!!!! Hello😎

[@teddylopez747]

Cy never won carrying more than 129 pounds though. How freakin much was cy carrying when he ran that mile in 1:33 record? I know it was more than 129 pounds. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.

[@nothgiel84]

both won the triple crown..but one set a record tht will last until eternity...so no dispute which horse is better..Secretariat by 31

[@jays443]

don't forget that Secretariat set records in all three Triple Crown events and those records have lasted 47 years

[@loyalamerican8776]

Citation, Whirlaway, and Count Fleet we're bad asses 2 and they would have given Secretariat and Manowar all the competition they wanted

[@connorduke4619]

Not when Secretariat was fit they wouldn't.

[@teddylopez747]

Kelso was superior and, more versatile than all of the above. You must not know much about the great kelso, 5 times horse of the year, thats all that needs to said. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.