Cities of Myth: Crash Course World Mythology #35

[@TuskaDogLover]

We need Crash Course Archeology now.

[@slugfly]

TuskaDogLover That would be awesome!!

[@emmaelliott6973]

TuskaDogLover we need that makemit happen, I know I would watch that

[@janfriberg]

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[@LuisSierra42]

+1000

[@carolinasiqueira752]

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[@manospondylus4896]

Our Latin teacher once told us that a possible background of Romulus killing Remus was that people in ancient times sacrificed animals when building city walls as a sort of magical protection and perhaps Romulus killed his brother, the most important thing he ever had in his life, so that his city's wall would stand longer than any other in the world.

[@ildix]

fun fact, in Serbian (and in other Slavic languages) Rome is called "Rim" which is pronounced as "reem" XD

[@hellformichelle]

As an archaeology student, I would really love to see crash course archaeology, focusing not just on ancient rome or greece but also on prehistory and historical archaeology.

[@leedent6796]

Remus: We should name this place Reme. Romulus: *sharpening sword* I got a better idea.

[@JaimeNyx15]

So Rome basically started off as a bandit camp... Somehow this doesn't surprise me.

[@MrMortull]

What's more, they took *pride* in that. The Romans may have been raiding, slaving, plundering Imperialists but at least they kept it real and knew where these traits came from, I guess.

[@fctheone]

Also, Roman was probably the only place in the world, in any time in history, where you could be born to slave parents and die a millionaire.

[@MrMortull]

That's the beauty and modernity of Rome I guess, despite it's mythical beginnings and the uglier parts of its factual history. It isn't some idealised wonder like the Romans sometimes portrayed it, or a hellish cultural and moral wasteland (like they ALSO sometimes portrayed it), it always was a complex and grey place encompassing the breadth of all humanity. Much like any metropolis ever, really.

[@magister343]

It is also worth noting that when an ancient Roman heard the word "Lupa," his first thought would not be a literal female wolf but rather a human woman who works as a prostitute. "She-wolf" was the common slag term for a cheap whore, particularly the sort of streetwalkers who actively "hunt" for clients rather than having men approach them.

[@AgglomeratiProduzioni]

You know it's only a legend, right?

[@DaDunge]

2:44 Actually my mechanics professor at university says it may well have happened that way, the walls were likely made out of packed clay and the right frequency of loud noise could actually have caused it to crumble.

[@dragonson04]

No Atlantis? The pinnacle of all mythical cities?

[@Illier1]

Atlantis was not so much a myth as it was a very biased metaphorical tale. It wasn't something mythological, it was a philosophical case created to explain how hubris and greed ruins a society. Plato wasn't trying to explain a natural phenomenon or why something the way it is. He made the story as a warning of what he was seeing in Greece at the time

[@DrTimes99]

Is the story of Icarus not a myth then? It is very clearly a metaphorical tale warning against hubris of the youth and not an attempt to explain a natural phenomenon or why something is the way it is.

[@devroz123]

Probably they'll make special series Crash Course Atlantis? Err...

[@corvus1374]

Maybe, but Atlantis was invented by a known person, Plato. Not handed down from generation to generation.

[@hermeticbear]

actually Atlantis is the story of the fall of the Minoan civilization, starting with the volcanic explosion on Thera. By the time Plato/Aristotle heard it, it became filtered with names changed and imagery altered.

[@magister343]

It should be noted that the Latin word "Lupa" literally means a female wolf, but that in antiquity it was more common for it to be used as a slang term for a prostitute. (Somewhat comparable to the modern term "Cougar," it implies that the woman was on the prowl actively hunting for new sex partners rather than being passively receptive to male advances.) The founders of Rome being raised by a human female sex worker is much more plausible than them being suckled by wild canines.

[@AgglomeratiProduzioni]

The legend is better after all: think to every Rome decoration portraying the Lupa and imagine to substitute her with a prostitute: not so great, isn't it? Ahah

[@StrawHat6]

Well, if you look at the context of the entire Myth the idea of a wolf raising them could have been related to their father. One of the symbols associated with Ares/Mars is, in fact, a wolf. It would then be easy to imagine that Ares, knowing the future Glory of Battle that Romulus would forbear, might have actually sent that wolf for a very specific purpose.

[@cem271]

it also means Jason's trainer

[@BHuang92]

So Romans are bastards in some sense?

[@DzinkyDzink]

That would explain their jumpstart in criminal carreer. Mother Lupa no doubt had some connections that helped the kids grow.

[@ishanbajpai6940]

There is a Mythical city of Lanka in Ramayana, it's interesting because there is an actual country in it's place named Sri Lanka.

[@SoxyPoxy]

ishan bajpai and u still have the herbal mountain hanuman brought to Sri Lanka, which I have climbed. I ended up with a lot of bruises.

[@nikag7732]

They could even do this about Ravana's palace in Sri Lanka..they found its archeological remains..

[@jazzhandshidea]

They did allude to this in the episode on the Ramayana as hero story.

[@unclejoeoakland]

Is there really a formation between sri lanka and india called hanumans causeway?

[@leanderbarreto6523]

@@unclejoeoakland kind of

[@Raygathex]

So... no Atlantis? No Camelot?

[@Daemos_Delight]

I'm afraid not my friend...

[@thomasgabby6214]

i was looking foward to Atlantis myself

[@joeyuzwa891]

Or Avalon

[@bellsy4622]

Or even Babylon! There aren't any remains right?

[@MrMortull]

Camelot and Atlantis are Eurocentric. Can't have that anymore, it's RAYCISSS!

[@sots203]

As for what you said about Jerusalem's comparison with a woman, it is not necessarily because of chauvinism as you did. In Hebrew the word "city" is a female (all objects in Hebrew are divided into male and female, not like English).

[@kalisticmodiani2613]

omer s, English keeps referring to various objects as female : cities (the city she loves me), engines, cars, boats, starships and so on.

[@chrisessick7192]

And prostitution was and by some is considered a dirty "evil" line of work. If your pissed at the people of your city for there failures what better way than to call them all prostitutes.

[@sjappiyah4071]

omer s Thanks for pointing that out !

[@Allison_B.]

I'm not sure the problem was the comparison to the woman, the judgment and deep rooted misogyny was... (Also I'm french where nouns have genders too, so I understand your meaning, but it still doesn't feel ok)

[@richardfeynman9341]

@@Allison_B. haha...look a feminist. What do u expect? you think Jeremiah have heard about the Neo feminist movements? look at the time line for Godsake....

[@fulviopontarollo2952]

According to Livy, the Romans gave the kidnapped women the choice wherever or not to sleep with them, offering to grant them the citizenship and rights to own land if they wished to marry a Roman Later when the surrounding cities went to war against Rome to take back their women, the women even interposed themselves between the two armies to stop the war and bring peace

[@link1016]

Romulus saves Remus only to kill him later Great.......

[@AlexYorim]

Or Remo

[@Linkopotamus]

It's not really canonical that Romulus killed Remus, in some versions one of Romulus' guys did it

[@drshellkinggmailcom]

Darren Lin how biblical....

[@Calpurnia917]

Crash Course Archaeology and/or Anthropology would be awesome! I’ll help- I have a Masters in Paleopathology/Archaeology. Anthropology might be better since one could touch on archaeology as a sub-discipline along with biological anthro, social anthro, and linguistics

[@tombrown407]

Archaeology is too large a subset to be pigeonholed in a subseries. It could absolutely fill an entire series of crash course. Anthropology without Archaeology is like looking at only the last 1% of an experiments data and relying on that.

[@Calpurnia917]

Tom Brown I would love if they made both. You’re right that archaeology is big enough for its own series- starting with the history and development of archaeology and then covering techniques/skills used, excavation/data collection, how inferences are made, and major sites/cultures, one could make at least 15-20 episodes. Are you an archaeologist too?

[@codekillerz5392]

Do, “Weapons of Myth,” next!

[@tristianr8180]

CodeKillerz YEAH!!! DO CHU CHULLAIN’S GAE BULGÍA

[@cadr003]

Definitely the Hindu astras

[@oldcowbb]

noble phantasm

[@nightwyrm4354]

EKSUKALIBAAAAAAAAA

[@dylantennant6594]

Caliburn and Excalibur!

[@camilorodriguez5560]

this deserves a second part!

[@timothymclean]

Dammit, Romulus! "Most rapes caused by one mythical person" is _not_ a contest you want to compete in, no matter what Zeus says!

[@ChokoMurasaki]

Great episodes. Just wish this was split into two parts featuring more cities.

[@allisonshockley381]

It's really refreshing to see someone cover these myths and be blunt/unbiased with some of the awful things that happened in them. Thank you for that. Most people excuse those things away with "times were different back then, so it's totally okay". It's very nice to see empathy for the people that were hurt in the path of other peoples' rises to glory.

[@ashleeknowlton6723]

Crash course archaeology maybe?

[@sulanoji]

Crash course underwater archaeology is way better...lol (but it is still cooler)

[@awesomesbone]

If this series ever resumes, it would be cool to see some videos on various underworld and afterlife myths.

[@jeffbrownstain]

PLEASE DO CRASH COURSE ARCHEOLOGY! I wanted to be an archeologist when I was young and I've never learned real good information about the subject that wasn't boring.

[@tombrown407]

Volunteer for digs and you'll get in on the goodstuff,

[@maggieciesinski9825]

Hi I’d like to add something to the Jerusalem thing. I’m a catholic and I do enjoy learning about other cultures and their myths. For the sake of argument lets continue to agree that biblical stories are myths. It is common Christian teaching that the “New Jerusalem” being referred is another name for Heaven. Jerusalem is new and clean because she is pure in Christ. The church itself is also often referred to as the bride of Christ so it would make sense that this “New Jerusalem” is reference to the church. Anyway I love this show and PLEASE keep making more videos

[@annikboyer3395]

I would definitively suscribe to an crash course archaeology! An Indiana Jones type of presentator would be a dream comes true.

[@hermeticbear]

No Atlantis? no Lemuria? No Camelot? No Prester John's mythical Christian city? No Agarta? No Ys? No Shangri-La? I feel like mythical cities could at least been a two parter

[@basilofgoodwishes4138]

Atlantis was no mythological isle, it was a ancient metaphor and didn´t existed in the Greek Mythology as canon. the other ones i can´t judge.

[@tombrown407]

No Mysterious cities of gold references?

[@0cujo0]

Romulus: Why did you save your brother - Only to kill him at a later time?

[@MrMortull]

Romulus: "Hey, come here and let me explain it to you." *Suddenly stabs* "That's why, fucker!"

[@iftyhargil8359]

As a native Hebrew speaker I can't stress your comparison of Jerusalem to a woman as much as you did since in Hebrew city is a feminine word to begin with.... so the allegory isn't nearly as powerful.

[@sayosan7279]

Mike: It might be an understatement to say that Jerusalem has been the subject of many.... Me: WARS Mike: Stories Me:....oh...ok

[@maevenoor7980]

Crash Course: Archeology with Mike Rugnetta ... YAAASSSSSS 😁😁😁 PLEASE make it happen ... I'm all aboard the hype train for that one !!!

[@dfein001]

Crash Course Archeology would be AMAZING! You got me excited and then crushed me immediately on the same breath!

[@GilgameshEthics]

ON BOARD FOR CRASH COURSE ARCHEOLOGY. WILL WATCH EVERY EPISODE. @DEAR HANK AND JOHN MAKE THIS A THING. I used hank and john because I feel like hank will be more sympathetic to archaeology. But that could be a mistake, because john did do the CC history right? Well dangit. Either way, can we make this happen?

[@CulturePhilter]

Please start Crash Course Archeology.

[@zachvanarsdale7065]

YES

[@Chloe-kw5ic]

whats funny is that the wall of Jericho was actually super short and was most likely used to control where livestock and/or crops could and could not be

[@tombrown407]

The first walls yes, but those predate the Biblical tale by millenia.

[@Chloe-kw5ic]

They are also the only walls that archaeologists agree fell due to some type of invasion or other type of force

[@theokchannel2081]

What about R'lyeh? The city of our Lord

[@elektrikhd]

theokchannel I vote for this. Crash Course Lovecraft Mythos.

[@Skyldyel]

That's a modern myth, but most certainly a myth.

[@Tinkering4Time]

IA IA!!!!

[@jaojao1768]

theokchannel did you know that there's a Donald Duck parody of the Call of Cthulu?

[@theokchannel2081]

Sir Jaojao links or didn't happen

[@Lexicophage]

Sad to see you skipped ramparted Uruk, but otherwise good picks for mythical cities.

[@digitalbrentable]

Kind of surprised you skipped the Mesopotamian mythical cities, the oldest ones we have.

[@KainusGulch]

What about asian mythical cities, like the one that's under the ocean?

[@sidxter]

KainusGulch Do you mean the lost city of Dwarka?

[@amoose8256]

If ur talking bout Atlantis it’s not Asian

[@mindseyemelodies]

Or Shangri La? Xanadu?

[@nasiemhughes8952]

KainusGulch do you me Atlantis and if so it not a Asian city

[@KainusGulch]

I mean like Yonaguni and the myths about the place where the fish king has his palace and stuff, people. I know what freakin' Atlantis is. It used to be on an island called Atlan, and then something happened an it all went into the sea like some massive earthquake decided a simple fault wasn't enough. I forget the name of the other asian cities, but I know there's an Indian one and a Japanese one, and a Chinese one. Yonaguni is the ruins they actually found in the water off of Japan that some think might be one of those lost cities.

[@pancreasnostalgia]

I’ve been to Jericho, Jerusalem, and Rome. They are all fascinating places.

[@DaHaiZhu]

Crash Course Archaeology!!! YES!!! Make It So!!! :)

[@FirstRisingSouI]

Remembrance of vegetables hopping around a wall, dodging slushies.

[@shiny_x3]

Wow, they left out a few things when they talked about Romulus and Remus in my high school history class...they kinda just stopped with "raised by a she-wolf, founded Rome, the end".

[@ireallyhatemakingupnamesfo1758]

Mike said content with no yaaaar, and now I’m crying

[@jacobschuck3468]

I really hate making up names for this kind of stuff +

[@asielsmith6007]

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[@sociallyawkwardgamers528]

While I am no expert in mythology, I do speak Arabic and Hebrew is every similar, and the use of female pronouns when describing Jericho is not in any way sexist or condescending, it comes from bad translation of the text, in Arabic a city is feminine so you say she instead of it because there no "it" pronoun and I am guessing Hebrew is the same or at least similar. Many languages do this including Romance Languages, such as French and Spanish and even Germanic languages which English is derived from.

[@ithemba]

Never even thought about it but yeah, in German cities are feminine and when antropomorphizing a city it's usually with feminine attributes and or metaphors. It's not derogatory in itself, though most of the examples that come to my mind right now are, but that's because of the specific metaphor used.

[@howeslife2718]

PLEASE MAKE CRASH COURSE ARCHEOLOGY A THING! I BEG OF YOU!!!!

[@mythosandlogos]

I’m sure there are time constraints, but the Roman story ends too soon! The Sabine Women aren’t just victims, but actually broker peace, and are the ones who really end up civilizing the Romans. I just finished a video on it, which I made because they don’t get nearly enough credit!

[@ymasen]

Crash Course Archaeology needs to be a thing. I'd watch the bleep out of it.

[@chanmonymiller1698]

Comparing Jerusalem to a harlot is not meant to be a misogynist move. Jerusalem (and the people of Israel) are portrayed as a woman in several places in the Old Testament. The Israelites were in covenant with God, and this covenant was often compared as to a marriage covenant. Thus, when the Israelites broke their covenant with God, they were often compared to a harlot or adulterous woman. In fact, in the book of Hosea, God tells the prophet Hosea to marry an unfaithful woman to symbolize how he felt about Israel. Hosea then goes and brings his wife back after she leaves him, symbolizing how God lovingly pursued Israel.(I know this is a touchy subject, and I'm not trying to start an argument.)

[@heipaadegsauenshaun]

"We built this city, we built this mythical ciiity. We built this city, built it on mythical rock n' rooooll"

[@purelav]

I almost did a happy dance when he said "I'll leave that for crash course archeology"! I am SO READY for that Crash Course!

[@AirborneSurfer]

I've been watching this series from the beginning, but I can't help but feel like I'm mything something.

[@patrickthornton840]

You know what happens when you bring down the walls of Jericho, Joshua? Do you know what happens? You just made the list! (OK, so this reference is a little dated, but I couldn't resist.)

[@Somefox]

I'm voting for a Crash Course Archeology. That would be AMAZING

[@AdrianLikesFlags]

Atlantis? Camelot? Tenochtitlán? The latter actually being part of Mexico's coat of arms??

[@miguelangelgonzaleznunez5618]

Adrian Rodriguez tenochtitlan did exist. It wasnt a mythical city

[@AgglomeratiProduzioni]

What is mythological about Tenochtitlán?

[@garrusn7702]

Miguel Ángel González Núñez Rome exists to! Did you not watch the video?!?!

[@JamesPeach]

Ruben Its origin.

[@AdrianLikesFlags]

Neither was Rome, but their origins are Myths, did you guys see the whole video??

[@GamerGoingGrey]

I want a Crash Course Archeology with Mike returning as host

[@tristanroberts8016]

Crash Course Archaeology! I'M GAME!

[@feynstein1004]

I actually knew the story of the founding of Rome from Mike Duncan's podcast on Roman history, which is excellent btw. Does anyone think the United States is kind of like a new Rome? In that it too was founded by settlers comparatively recently but grew to be a dominant force?

[@averyD98]

There should be a crash course calculus. Or a whole crash course mathematics channel. And they should explain both the how and history and reasons for developing if it has been discovered

[@frzferdinand72]

Plenty of mythological cities outside the Mediterranean - Varanasi, Dwaraka, Ayodhya, Lanka, Indraprastha, Atlantis, Camelot, Shambhala.

[@me0101001000]

Crash Course Archaeology? I would definitely watch that.

[@tristanroberts8016]

I do have a request for a Crash Course Mythology video, but it's part of the pantheon series and quite a ways back. Celtic pantheons?

[@Erik-uf5fr]

No Tir na Nog, Atlantis, Olympus, or Asian lost cities. I understand what you guys are doing, but I would have wanted to see more cities.

[@bobthecopywriter]

In answer to the Rock & Roll question I would say that depends upon if the band is called Airplane, Jefferson Airplane, Jefferson Starship, or Starship.

[@madisonbrown7091]

you guys should make a crash course early americans history. (Aztecs, Maya, Mexica, Olmecs, etc.)

[@michaelborror4399]

Thinking of Jerusalem, with oases on the brain, I could also think of an oasis like area gone dry and filth... and then rejuvenated, and also snow... another reason why ancient mythology could be so essential for human survival...

[@camerongrow6426]

I've seen a lot of messed up origin stories in my time but Rome has the most messed up origin story I've seen in a while.

[@jeremiahnoar7504]

I dream that 3000 years from now, tales of will tell of the mystical city of Rapture and debate on whether or not such a city ever existed.

[@Texolotl]

As an Archaeology major, i would very much like a crash course Archaeology.

[@srgkzy1294]

We need CrashCourse everything ! OMG I love this show ... becoming a Patreon ASAP

[@JohnRaptor]

I would definitely watch Crash Course Archaeology.

[@wrathanet]

I was walking to the library today and wondered if there’d be a crash course mythology episode on the mythical history of Rome’s founding. Lo and behold!

[@grafinvonhohenembs]

Crash Course Archeology would be awesome!

[@Ngamotu83]

For all those asking why Atlantis got no mention, perhaps it has something to do with Atlantis being an island, not a city. The word literally means 'island of Atlas.' Its exclusion may also have something to do with Atlantis being a fairly minor allegory in Plato's works, and so wasn't really part of any mythology.

[@claudefaust9104]

Make Crash Course Archaeology real!!!!!

[@miciarokiri5182]

LOVE this course. I am so glad you did it. And Mike is awesome! Always makes me smile

[@Snagabott]

No, trumpets probably didn't bring the city walls down... but trumpeting around for seven days in a row would be a nice way of concealing the noise of miners.

[@StrawHat6]

I know these aren't comprehensive, but I'm fairly surprised the Crash Course team didn't touch on the mythical city of Shambhala. Seems to fit with the greater themes of the series on it's allegory to human nature, and Idyllic nature of it's existence.

[@iAmTheSquidThing]

Wow. That Rome story really is horrific. I'll never be able to see the phrase _Harvest Festival_ in the same way again.

[@abbyfogle4034]

Need Crash Course Archaeology ASAP!

[@kaiplue]

CRASH COURSE ARCHEOLOGY!! Make it happen guys!

[@Ethan7s]

Need a video on mythical mornings, of the good variety.

[@ZamboniBerlusconi]

I'm a history fanatic! And yet i still haven't found this channel before today. Subscribed:)

[@marcusmusings]

can't wait for the beasts section!

[@mynameisconnorimtheandroid6080]

Please do some slavic mythology

[@TheGFeather]

YES CRASH COURSE ARCHAEOLOGY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@latiniux]

Hey! Try an episode with the mythical foundation of the Aztec City of Tenochtitlan.

[@ayoutubechannel2048]

You have to make a crash course archaeology

[@bryanhikes7248]

Crash course archaeology would be so great!!!

[@TheRealRahau]

+1 Crash course archeology

[@wormswithteeth]

Don't forget the Maginogi, stories from Wales. Thanks!

[@VictorGarcia-mn4px]

Please do Crash Course Archaeology!

[@khnum7998]

Can someone explain to me what are the names of the 9 Mayan death gods? And who of them are the rulers of Xibalba?

[@artamarti176]

Crash Course Archaeology: Yes please!!!

[@maberti]

I LOVE this series about mythology!

[@Watto844]

Shambhala, is a very significant myth in Asia as is it's counterparts across global cultures it holds a place in mythology as Aryavartha (‘The Land of the Worthy Ones) to Hinduism; whereas the Chinese know it as Hsi Tien and in Russia, it is known as Belovoyde.

[@dmoney510]

Thank you for being straight froward and candid

[@robinaachristopher6854]

saved me again. I love you crash course

[@vespum2855]

One thing I'll add - the latin for she-wolf, lupa, can also be translated as slang for prostitute. Some scholars believe that the twins were actually raised by a disgraced prostitute, not a wolf, which changes the meaning of the story, and also says alot about gender roles in the society that created it.

[@josephd.5524]

Thoth as an archaeologist got a grin out of me.

[@soneraydn9459]

Some numbers like 3, 7, and 12 commonly recur in various myths and religions around the world. Will there be any episode of this course about these numbers?