CitizenCon 2948 - Panel: What a Bunch of Characters

[@geofftrueman8094]

It's remarkable how much attention to detail they go into. With no publisher they can explore all of this.

[@Vlusion]

And thats why I give them all of my time (not all, just a lot).

[@geofftrueman8094]

Same here. If I handn't gone to CitizenCon and met all of these extremely talented people face-to-face I might not have been comfortable buying a Kraken. But after seeing everything they're doing, and everything they want to do, I am absolutely convinced this game is in the best of hands.

[@Vlusion]

@@geofftrueman8094 I feel you

[@likeorasgod]

I have a good amount in but not any where close as many guys. I been part of game testing and building and know it doesn’t happen over night and specially at the level this game will be. When this game releases so many of those haters are going to be rushing on board. I’m happy with my hammerhead as my biggest ship and maybe a reclaimer in the future as I plan to support a big org with my play.

[@Kingbeer01]

This is why this game will never fully work right or be released.

[@BigTArmada]

I know people are angry about how long it's taking but this is jumping game development ahead by decades. Just awesome

[@Meister_Dwight]

We’re kinda playing catch-up. The progress we’ve made since 2007’s Crysis is very small. This is where we should have been at for a while if innovation kept up and companies would stop recycling for money. CIG is one of the only companies to actually be trying new things and pushing boundaries! My hope is that they sell a lot of the tech they’ve developed so gaming as a whole can progress greatly.

[@G4M5T3R]

@Shawn McDermott Hardware is a part of that equation, not just innovation from devs/designers utilizing hardware. Intel/Nvidia/AMD are just as much at fault for the lackluster progression in the industry.

[@deathsmessenger]

people need to think before they cry about sc and its 6 yr development being red dead redemption has taken 8 yrs and still going for a lot smaller game

[@Meister_Dwight]

deathsmessenger Not to mention this game involves massive engine rewriting and new technology for a multiplayer game of this scale. It’s groundbreaking! People are impatient because you can actually watch development happen and nobody has any patience. If RDR 2 was open like this during development, people would be doing the same thing 4 years into its development. And keep in mind that game started with a huge studio and budget behind it. CIG started with like 12 people lol. They’ve had to open offices across the globe and hire hundreds of people. Massive undertaking.

[@likeorasgod]

And if you put it against any true AAA good game most of them was not made over night. 7-14 years for some. The only games that come out in a year or two tend to be cookie cutter games that are a dime a dozen and don’t last long before they get replaced. I see this as going to be the next EVE and more.

[@painexotic3757]

Star Citizen is changing an industry and it's sad how most people don't realize it yet lol.

[@Alan0000able]

so 2 years have passed now tell me what did Star Citizen scam change ?

[@AaronDGreen]

@@Alan0000able It hasn't even been 2 years dumbass. and I'm from three months in the future. Edit: Going back through my older comments, definitely a bit of a hostile comment and I apologize for that.

[@Alan0000able]

@@AaronDGreen it has. +- 3 months is still almost 2 years. What have they changed ? Oh release date ?

[@AaronDGreen]

@@Alan0000able Given the video is only a year and a half old and your original comment is 4 months old. When you commented the video was barely a year old. Your sense of time is off friend. Though progress is definitely slow there is still progress being made. The showed us quantum the simulated economy system. icache is slightly implemented, server meshing is the current priority. My faith isn't blind in this game, honestly I don't have much towards it. However, I don't go running around in a year old comment session trying to convince others that they shouldn't believe in it. I don't waist my time trying to needlessly crush other peoples dreams. It might not come out, but saying it's a scam is an idiotic statement at best. They are making progress, and the game might come out one day. But if it doesn't it wasn't because it was a scam, however it would be because of poor management and money usage.

[@Alan0000able]

@@AaronDGreen Calling it a progress is a joke. Dude when they wasted about 6-8 years and yet they still cant make basic things. Guns wont fire,enemies do not spawn etc. They are making MMO as last as i checked yet fail to even save person progress? I mean calling Arabian prince scam, a scam is wrong then also . Bcs he also always has excuse to not delivering his promise, but MAYBE one day he will.

[@stormcancer122]

Keep up the good work folks!

[@undersmack648]

Great work, CIG! I always had faith since I originally backed, and I love the progress we've seen!

[@mokutomedia1253]

That helmet with the line down the center @7:50 was SIIICK!

[@bobbyneedham8563]

Agree

[@paulbarlow9981]

Another awesome panel. These have been really great and it's wonderful to have the experts in their fields demonstrating what they do, how, and where we're up to. Well done, CIG. Everything is coming together.

[@AcheliusDecimus]

Awesome work CIG, I see some comments stating SC is playing catchup and comparing to CRYSIS. The BIG difference is SC will not be causing people to say, "Can it run SC?" The whole presentation was explaining how they get quality and using programmatic rendering to cut down on the resources of a PC. Which means all types of machines low end to ultra high end will be able to play this game at relative stunning visuals for their rig.

[@Thundaarr]

On the hair tech... just throwing this out there. Perhaps cloth simulation tech that you guys have developed as a form of updated hair cards? Then you get fully flowing simulated hair that would even respond to wind dynamically.

[@IronMan9771]

Not gonna lie, I'm still kind of disappointed we never got those helmets that opened and closed

[@Vlusion]

We are not done yet :)

[@TheJakub345]

I would like to see weird alien biological armors, similar to what venom wears

[@WellBattle6]

Solve Everything Most rigs aren’t designed for that. For example in Doom, when the player marine puts on his helmet, they added a second helmet to magically appear with two disembodied arms holding onto it.

[@CatsAkimb0]

This is absolutely insane! Looking forward to future updates.

[@sloxman8937]

That runtime rigging segment blew my mind!

[@painzkiller2452]

I'm devastated, I can't be a background character.

[@mrbust999]

Isn't it good there aren't background characters

[@solinvictus2094]

You are outside the story

[@G4M5T3R]

Charaykee Shilla whoosh*

[@SETHthegodofchaos]

true NPC xD

[@lnlsun]

It's ok, you're a background character irl.

[@123reivaj]

_What a Bunch of amazing technologies!_

[@peshkybee7721]

I don't have a rig near good enough to run this game at anything beyond 10fps. Still find watching these development videos utterly fascinating.

[@nahuelcutrera]

awesome panel !! hair, skin, cloth and skeletons are getting really good now.

[@TaranTatsuuchi]

I wonder if we'll be able to forgo some weapons to bring more utility gear in a loadout... LIke the multi tool, and medical tools... But having less weapons available.

[@morningstar9285]

13:00 fifty thousand two. Whatever 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Par-Crom]

+1 on body variations and cybernetic limbs ! Awesome conference

[@mokutomedia1253]

I am confused, is citizen con stiull going on? or did they just have a lot of stuff? Because this is a LOT OF STUFF!

[@andreasus]

They had two stages and are uploading over the course of the week all presentations held there

[@SkyeWolf310]

Citizen Con took place from morning to late evening on a single day, set on 2 separate stages that were running simultaneously. There was a whole lot to take in and they showed so much progress.

[@AcheliusDecimus]

They recorded in 4k so compression and editing, KZbin woes, etc..

[@pipgoesthepossum]

Lot of stuff happened the single day. They're releasing a panel or two a day.

[@nyrakui]

Glad they include ties, I pride myself on being a well-dressed shipjacker

[@magnatatar]

Personally as far for Alien race goes, i like that they are not human like (the whole shape, number of arms,eyes and other from exotic,scary looking) and that they are somewhere very far away like from other distant galaxy and that communication language is imposible and so on... (every one stay in its own heaven sort of speak) Aliens could very tell if this game is an art or not.

[@OvargasSecurity]

Wow!!! Amazing stuff

[@pegasusted2504]

We will be looking awesome in this game :~)

[@WayTruthLife3]

Fantastic content guys!

[@Arktoxus]

Curious about how different physique generation will work. So much detail and so many characters can't share the same body or the same animations(ala GTA 5). Also hope they take the equiapped item collision into consideration - weaponry clipping through character and other equipment has plagued all MMO's since their origins.

[@headbangerdnb]

Still have some questions about Squadron 42: 1. Will more focus be on flying, FPS, or about equal 2: From my understanding, there will be branching narratives to the story. Will it be similar to a Mass Effect 1 style RPG? 3: Probably the least important question, but will we be able to scan our faces and use them as our avatar, similar as to how EA did with EA Game Face (UFC and FIFA series)?

[@kovenmaitreya7184]

With FOIP they may have to do some kind of face scan in order to not have ridiculous looking faces like we have right now.

[@phatec]

1. Focus will be on storyline, and leading up to the open universe in a linear manner. 2. Storyline will be more linear, Squadron 42 is basically an introduction to the game, it’s not meant to be a full on single player like mass effect which had all focus set in single player mode and story. 3. Yes, their goal is to allow players to scan through the dna character creator in future.

[@dhkatz_]

"Without loading screens". That's just called open world buddy

[@TheTonkGuy]

This is the good stuff :D

[@BrunoDerRabe]

Awesome!

[@CosmicD]

43:54 so we can be styxhexenhammer666!

[@imclure]

Gran trabajo, sois los mejores CIG

[@certifiedcasual128]

I actually really like the bulky power armour.

[@Smitty-hr2mg]

The eyes still need a lot of work. They look out of place, like they are separate from the socket and lid. They need to blend them.

[@likeorasgod]

But will we be able to get Alien NPC's to work for us? That what I want to know. Can't be a rugged team of trouble makers without a few folks form other races too. lol

[@ADMNtek]

yea like a grumpy several hundred year old Xi'an that has seen it all.

[@sebastiandouse]

They said they want to have players be able to play as aliens but it will not be anytime soon and not on the release. I guess it will be like how Star Trek online did it where they release different player races over time.

[@likeorasgod]

That would be interesting if you could later be a vandal raider or something else if you buy an extra char slot. Even one of the friendly (or not) races but I would just be happy to have one as a crew member. Some crusty old vet that reminds the new guy to wear his red shirt when we go to explore a new zone.

[@gryphonosiris2577]

Give me a Tevarin first mate with a Samurai code of honor and a warrior's spirit.

[@Synthmilk]

The problem with the Alien NPC's is that they want the other races to BE "other" races. Totally different skeletons, which leads to different ways of taking a step, walking, running, etc. None of the human mo-cap would work, and that was a huge time saver for animating humans. Animating aliens will have to be done the hard way, which is why the only animated Alien we've seen are the Vanduul. Other games like Mass Effect have just cheated to get aliens to walk differently, letting the character geometry clip through itself and just using a handful of canned animations, which constantly reveal themselves to be that by characters seeming to not be actually interacting with the floor while running, turning, jumping, climbing up inclines, etc. CIG doesn't want to do that, and not doing that is HARD, which is why so few games actually do it, especially multiplayer games. The fact that CIG has made character animations synced between everyone who can see a character just makes it even harder. Like so hard I don't think any other multiplayer game has actually done it, and it took CIG most of a year to do it themselves.

[@phatec]

Siiiiick

[@StooksMjooks]

Hello chris roberts!

[@StooksMjooks]

Go CIG

[@liva9994]

So, many, pants.

[@madsondurton8754]

wow

[@TheJakub345]

I like the idea of turning myself into a fatty

[@noelcresencio]

Upload the knife and alien panels dammit!

[@iii5541]

В 2948 году игра полноценно будет сделана.

[@Di-Ferr]

Also, what makes their hair technique better than say, NVIDIA Hairworks?

[@ttanfield5616]

It won't chomp on your frames...?

[@Di-Ferr]

Interesting

[@Arthillis]

It's not dependent on having an Nvidia graphics card. They don't want this game to be built were people have to have specific brands of hardware.

[@Di-Ferr]

They could always make it an option, like in The Witcher 3, although that game has poor implementation of the tech

[@renanbritz3459]

Hairworks sucks

[@intothevoid2046]

While the technical work on characters could not be more outstanding, the backstory of Colton could not be more cliche, stereotype and generic.

[@xenoraijin]

46th comment! lmao love the game btw, keep it up!

[@yasinzeydulusoy]

Server meshing.

[@ElderIceElemental]

Can we upload a picture from yourself as our skin?

[@D1zz4g4ngz747331]

will all animals be predators or will there be prey animals (simulatin a real eco system)

[@N8riz]

I like chasing defenseless animals in Skyrim :)

[@ElderIceElemental]

:-)

[@StooksMjooks]

First #PROUDBACKER

[@MiguelBaptista1981]

22:20 "Not cheap either but, we got by". The nerve. Seriously, the nerve to utter these words.

[@sole5962]

25th comment

[@phatec]

Blizzard reinvented how hair was rendered and generated for their world of Warcraft movie, just a thought to look into it?

[@TaranTatsuuchi]

A movie can afford to spend figurative days rendering a single frame. They're not rendered in realtime like games.

[@Di-Ferr]

Why are game developers so afraid of the uncanny valley? I know it can be creepy but once the player gets used to it, it's very immersive

[@pegasusted2504]

No it isn't. It always looks wrong and draws your eye all the time. That is the point.

[@Di-Ferr]

It attracts interest in the characters

[@rivengle]

They want people to not be creeped out by the game. There are ways to solve it without 100% photorealism (see: Gantz: 0’s art style process), but SC isn’t that kind of game.

[@Di-Ferr]

Checked it out and it looks really good. I wish they would go in that direction. The faces in SC look a bit too cartoon-like, even in the recent trailer. I was surprised to see people praising the CG

[@RedEvee]

but when is the full release ???

[@Napoleonic_S]

what year is this? 2014? roflmao.

[@cheesenbiscuits]

Yes lets justify this train wreck.

[@TheMaxthesis]

So right off the bat, I see choppy frames on the fly over the characters, choppy and weird walking movement animations, weird skin lightning etc. Why spend so much on these failed features instead of CORE TECHNOLOGY that actually makes a game run better and play better? Pride, hype, collective madness. I know I will be hated and disputed with this statement. But hey, I am just a casual observer. Not your god!

[@lorenzomannucci6476]

okay, i m not being mad at you, i just want to explain my opinion, it' s just because not everyone in the game development team do the same thing, some people are lead designer, someone is an art director, and someone else is a 3d modeller, in the latest ptu they release an uge improvement that boost fs by a lot, from 30- 40 fps to 60-90 (from my experience) plus it makes no sense spend too much time in optimization, since when tey'll add some new content it will probably make the game run bad again, they re optimizing the game just to make it playable for all the people who are testing it.