Citroen e-C4 1000 km challenge

[@rickchumsae7974]

USA here. Many decades ago, in 1970, while in the Coast Guard, I bought what one fellow Coastie said was "the best designed and worst built car in the world" a 1965 Citroen DS19. The DS19 had raise/lower suspension, 4-speed manual with automatic clutch (shifter was on top of the steering column), cavernous and quiet cabin and drove like a space ship. My DS had Toyota reliability long before Toyota had it. I would LOVE to be able to buy this Citroen e-C4 in America. Fun video. Thank you.

[@fantrattenandersson1512]

Unfortunately Citroën don't make that suspension any more, since 2016 (2017?). My last car was a Citroën C5 Ⅲ 2008 (first year of the Ⅲ version), but today's C5 is a whole different car. If there was an all electric version of the Citroën C5 Ⅲ, maybe I'd buy a car again. Maybe someone could mix a C5 with a Tesla Model S or something, that would be cool, I think… I know there's some video here on KZbin about an all electric Citroën DS. That's kind of cool too. :)

[@JoLund80]

Thanks Björn for your EV tests! I just ordered this car the other day and am now a converted EV owner , makes so much sense instead of getting a noisy fossil. 👍

[@johantonde3336]

We have One and are superhappy. Only downsides 1 only comes with schukochargecable and 2 poor view in backwindow. Everything else is Perfect! Real range 250-350kms. Enjoy it! We were looking at the e2008 but choosed eC4 instead.

[@whatever-xw8cw]

I am also waiting for mine. I have not seen any here on the road in Sweden yet, but maybe there is more people than you and me waiting for their car to be delivered. 😎

[@Sunray693]

Not if you need to make a journey. For city is ok as a second car but pain in a but if you dont own a house.

[@nakke3]

I'm getting preowned C4 here in Finland. They are bringing a year old car from Sweden. I drive about 700 km a week. Might be a bit different experience than my MB ML with a 93 litre diesel tank. Have to just charge every day during my lunch in the shopping centre. Should save 4000-6000€ a year in expences.

[@soundworks52]

Let's see how influential TeslaBjorn is in Norway. I predict sales of e-C4 sales in Norway to boom based on this series of tests. e-C4 was a hidden gem of an EV. It isn't hidden anymore as TeslaBjorn has shown what it can do. great range, cheap price, good space, great comfort.

[@whatever-xw8cw]

Not only influental in Norway. Greetings from Sweden.

[@hamag1973]

I Agree. Contacted my nearest dealer yesterday. But the car is not avalable for testdrive here yet, but soon🙂

[@whatever-xw8cw]

@@hamag1973 Var bor du? Jag provkörde i maj i lilla Lidköping. Jag trodde de var ute över hela landet vid det här laget.

[@CreRay]

I'm considering buying the e-C4, but let's be honest: Comfort is great, space is good, price is fairly good, range is OK-ish. Very good for its battery size is the charging speed. For great range, nothing beats e-Niro/Kona at this price point, but charges slower despite bigger battery (in my country a M3 SR+ is priced quite considerably over aforementioned).

[@discinfiltrator]

​@@CreRay If you don't do +800 kms trips every week range is not a problem since charging speed is decent

[@richardgoldsmith7278]

There will come a time when driving 1000km in a stretch on your own will be too much. At 68 I found that 600km was really as much as I could cope with in one stretch in M3 SR+ with FSD which made it significantly easier. Thank you for doing this for us to see. I think a 500km or 600km challenge would still be enough to differentiate between different models and represent a more typical touring daily stint, if it starts to get risky for 11 hours. As none of your stops are a full 45 mins - which is optimal for alertness recovery, I cant help be a little concerned for you. 😘

[@tomascermak9205]

The same opinion here.

[@discinfiltrator_games]

I think one of the reasons may be that over 500 kms you wouldn't be able to see the differences in charging speed and range of the different cars as 1 charging stop would start to be common with most models and therefore end up with a very similar time.

[@sascha6389]

For me it feels that your videos are produced with a lot of love for what you do.

[@TomLaceyJohnson]

I feel that way too, and the fact that Bjørne doesn’t care if he makes a mistake. He just goes with the flow and this makes the reviews and such feel much more genuine.

[@JacekD]

I ordered the e-C4 yesterday, unfortunately I will not pick it up until December. Nice car for a quiet ride. Thanks for the tests, they convinced me.

[@Brandofviti]

I have one in the garage now. It really is a great car! :D

[@teslasoldier2198]

a Bjorn Nyland isn't complete without a noisy fossil buzzing around.

[@nakfan]

Ha ha. True 😄

[@pawekropi5077]

I like your scientific method of measurements, considering various factors - this is one of most informative channels, great thanks for your work.

[@france4me117]

The Citroën eC4 is simple brilliant … Very good review

[@mister_jon_jon]

Zoe in summer condition, when most people do longer trips, it I'm not remember it wrong the 1000km test of the Zoe was done in pretty bad conditions. But, I can understand if you don't want to do it again, it will probably take some time... But man I love my Zoe, and I charging so fast at the 22kw AC when most others take 7-11 kw 😜

[@MaltePersike]

Completely agree with @JG. We have a Tesla Model 3 and a Zoe. The Zoe is the perfect city car IMHO. In Germany, charging infrastructure in cities is not as developed as probably in Norway and other places. Most of the public chargers within cities max out at 50 kW DC but always offer 20 kW AC. This together with the size and affordability makes the Zoe a fine city choice especially for people who rely on public charging infrastructure.

[@2013AirForce]

Love it Bjørn! Every 1,000 km challenge is a fun and exciting video, while learning a lot of about the car’s characteristics. Keep up the good work, and if you need a vacation, I’ll be here watching every video when you come back!

[@mister_jon_jon]

ë-C4 maybe next car then 😍

[@wojciechmuras553]

Amazing car. Especially for the price!

[@scepticalcarols]

I'll watch it just for continuity's sake, cheers from down under down under. Love your work.

[@HptmNorel]

I would watch the 1000 km challenge with the Zoe. ☝️ Thank you for your videos!

[@fnagdungdagint]

Thanks Bjørn for these entertaining tests. Watching them feels like being on roadtrips with you. I agree with you on the noisy fossils - especially motorbikes. I can never understand people getting a kick out of making as much noise pollution as possible.

[@Jamesprycefly]

Is this the last of the e-c4 videos ? I have seen them all so far but hoping there are more to come ?

[@jenskjensen3193]

Very nice test, that highlights how important it is optimize the trip (which calls for ABRP). Long trips in my old Tesla Model S is also way faster using ABRP, when set to allow only 10% SoC for charger arrival, seems the built in navigation plans for 20% reserve, which cause too slow charging. Was impressed by the Citroen low SoC charge rate, I saw sum of kW and SoC above 135, which my Model S no longer supports, it has SoC + kW at approx 120.

[@hrrrrr2084]

Impressive result, it's a cheap car and very good performance in addition to amazing comfort, practicality and unique design Remember 100 kW fast charging is standard here on the Citroen! unlike on Volkswagen ID3.

[@luistrenker5912]

I just watched the Zoe 1000km challenge from Jan. 2020 today and thought "Man, it would be great to see a summer version of that" (especially because the summer-winter range difference is quite large for the Zoe). So yes, I would like to see that. However, knowing that the Zoe doesn't charge very fast even in summer, I wouldn't blame you if you wouldn't want to re-do the 1000km again. Besides that: Keep up the great work! Love your videos and your humor!

[@TrainsInRomania]

Very nice car! Awesome presentation! Regards from Romania! 19:41 - What a landscape...

[@bernardhilton3527]

Please do the challenge with the Corsa e. 😁. That will be a good substitute for the e208. Does anyone know if the new charging curve can be applied to older cars. Thanks

[@sergiudan117]

Yes, it applies to older cars as well (2020 models). It is a mandatory recall, in fact. There will also be another recall in sept/oct for adding battery percentage on GOM.

[@mags8830]

@@davids.6671 Could you please provide a link for this information?

[@thomaspre9135]

My 2019 e208 has been update by Peugeot dealer shop

[@bernardhilton3527]

@@sergiudan117 Thankyou. That is good news. I have one of the first cars off the production line.

[@stephenholland5930]

I guess Circle K need to but more buckets. Great video, Bjorn.

[@tiberiusmaximilian5591]

The charging station do not belong to Circle K, so why should they supply the cleaning facilities and toilets?

[@Tsenngu]

Great result for such a CHEAP car..i mean have you seen the price of this one? The comfort you get and the charging speed for such a price is quite amazing. And citroen has always made for a very comfortable ride on longer trips. I feel also they scored high on not going for gigantic 20 inch wheels with broad tires...an EV should be as effective as possible and this car seems to be it.

[@FFVoyager]

It would be a lot better if it were a normal estate/wagon rather than an SUV!

[@Tsenngu]

True..but today SUV look is unfortunately what all the manufacturer's are going for. Would love a regular estate version.

[@antoniocirino8444]

Maybe with a 70 kWh battery is a piece of cake.

[@whatever-xw8cw]

@@FFVoyager it is actually not much higher than a standard hatchback, so effectively more SUV styling than a real SUV.

[@dardie37]

thank for this test im just about to change my 2year old 40 kw leaf for c4e , having had two leafs in last 5 years it was time for a change , keep the great work up

[@MS-iw2vk]

Great music taste, as always : )

[@jasondavis545]

Thts a good around car for most people on shall we say average wage in the UK. Would like to see the 38kWh Ioniq run again as this car does sell well and is still one of the most efficient EV’s still.

[@sfjoos]

Citroën always made many good and some brilliant cars.

[@krisken]

I would absolutely watch the test with the ZOE ZE50! Now it's around 14h30 for 1000km. But it wat wet 80% of the trip. So please, give it a chance!

[@rvb6516]

Everyone loves the Zoe ! 🙂

[@hawedehre]

Not really 😅

[@rvb6516]

@@hawedehre Did you drive it ? 😇

[@rvb6516]

It’s what the Tesla model 2 will be i’m guessing

[@randomguy9893]

Hi Bjorn, will you be testing the newer optimised 50 KWh version of the e c4 or similar stallantis clone? Would be interesting to see to see the difference over the older version.

[@TomLaceyJohnson]

I certainly would watch a re-do of the Renault ZOE.

[@Bessunger]

GREAT. Thanks. ZOE re-run, yes, would watch it.

[@zapfkopf]

Yes! ZOE 1000km summer challenge

[@leomolina6600]

How much did you spend in the charging? Thanks for doing this. This is very helpful.

[@hamag1973]

Great vid Bjorn👍 You opened my eyes for this car. I will testdrive it soon. Tested the new Kona today. What a fun car to drive. But a bit to small and noisy for my taste. I will allso test the Ioniq5 soon and hope to get the chance to test drive the Id4/GTX soon allso. I really like the spacius cupe of the Ioniq5. But the interior of ID4 is hard to beat in my opinion. Dont know where this will end up yet😅

[@fraggy4180]

let me give you an idea for video "greenest car to drive 1000 km" , love your videos so far, efficiency is more important for our planet! Efficiency/time is correlated i guess but Efficiency/time/price is important too i guess

[@philippeschmauch4835]

So to sum up your tests PSA reduced the useable capacity of about 10% to improve the charging speed curve for 15 mn less from 10 to 90 % and maybe also to slow down battery degradation.

[@kjartanbergtorsson5664]

My thinking also.

[@Animaduniversum]

I love driving for 250 kilometers but everything that's longer, no thank you, I'll catch a train or a plane. If you're 4 people, you can do 1000 km in a car though :D

[@oolaspalmas]

That car colour looks actually pretty nice.

[@jonessenoj6753]

What someone needs to invent...is a charger pack, the same size as your jump starters, that will do an emergency charge! This will elevate range anxiety, although this car seems to actually do what its claimed !

[@WealthForge44]

What's that song that's playing around 3:00 ?

[@Grandpas51]

Thomas Vitali - City Skyline Love

[@amiddled]

I wouldn't do the Zoe unless it has some sort of update to the charging since you last did it. Good video though - seems like another nice EV option.

[@cadop]

have you inserted the count of charging stops in your spreadsheet? (for 1000km test)

[@dannyverhoeven4397]

What do you think is the difference between normal mode and eco-mode?

[@discinfiltrator_games]

I can answer to this; Eco Mode saves so much energy. I drive my e-C4 around 95% of the time in Eco.The consumption is so much lower,around at least 20%.

[@hectorgustafsson2242]

Can you please redo polestar 2 now in summer?

[@frankbergin772]

I have just watched your challenge test (as an Irish Citroen enthusiast for over 40 years now!) on the original eC4 (100kw motor and 50kw battery). Thank you very much. Obviously your Norweigan charging station system is more advanced than ours over here! Would you consider doing a similar test with the uprated 54kwh battery and supposedly more efficient 115kw motor too? This is the version that interests me most and which I might even purchase (as my last car!) later this year.

[@bjornnyland]

*50 kWh battery

[@MrWillpanT]

I real enjoy the 1000km videos! It would be nice to know the time spent charging and how many stops there was.

[@Nobody_Famous]

Join the livestream and take notes 📝

[@randomguy9893]

Don’t forget these have an heat pump as standard, lots of manufacturers charge €1000 extra.

[@keithware5314]

The MG5 would be an interesting addition to your 1000kms test.

[@fordwebster8113]

Agreed!

[@dragosmihai3489]

An update on the Thai ZS-EV would be nice too. Curious if that car aged well, got any software updates, etc

[@daveamies5031]

@@dragosmihai3489 It might be a while before he gets back to Thailand, just like it might be a few years before I get back to Indonesia, I wish not the case, but it is what it is. Maybe a family member could film it and he could do a voice over in edit, not sure how well that would work.

[@santosnaosantos]

Good to see evs finally have good range and charging.

[@klausp7035]

Hi Bjørn I just love your videos and think they are fantastic, what about making a video about charting rates in norway? Klaus

[@jeroenspacey2358]

love your video's Bjorn especially this one because my c4 e is coming in september and i would love to go from the netherlands to norway with it... is it possible to do a new video with c4 update that has come out in oct/dec 2021 its about charging curve... range extrension????

[@JPetr94]

ID3 45kWh needs to be tested ;)

[@evsolar]

What would be interesting to see is at least 500km challange limited to 50kW chargers. In most of Europe 90% of the chargers are still 50kW.

[@siasek]

I was just thinking about this, I'm from the Czech Republic and the best deal here is to use one provider's network that has 75 kW chargers for the same price as 50 kW chargers. Ideal price/performance ratio for charging e-C4 :)

[@veli-pekkalindholm3476]

The car is equipped with a 50 kilowatt-hour battery, with which the ë-C4 achieves a 350-kilometer operating distance in WLTP measurement. However, at worst, we were closer to 150 kilometers.What made the situation particularly unpleasant was the way the car communicated about it. The estimated operating distance in the evening after charging was 306 kilometers when the battery charge was 94 percent. When you set off after a cold night, the reading has understandably dropped to 266 kilometers.At this point, a person relying on the system may step into a deep swamp. Exactly 57 kilometers later, the estimated operating distance was only 70 kilometers left! The problem was repeated during the test run in several different situations and with several drivers - this does not inspire confidence in the person moving to the electric car.Charging further highlights the problem - a cold battery when not charging very quickly. In theory, charging from zero to 80 percent is possible in as little as 30 minutes, but even in severe frosts, the charging power remained in the range of only about 11 kilowatts, even at its weakest fast chargers. The challenge applies to all electric cars, but some have been more successful here as well.

[@mikak-h4543]

That was Moottori-magazine test? It is possible that the car had same problem like ë-C4 that Tuulilasi-magazine test in january 2021. Later service find out that there was a series of cars which was not programmed properly. Those cars didn't use heatpump at all. The whole heating was done by 5 kW PTC resistor, that is quite huge increase to consumption / 100 km. That bug was repaired by software update.

[@veli-pekkalindholm3476]

@@mikak-h4543 yes it was moottori magazine test

[@JiriSyrovatko]

Thank you very much! How about EQV in summer conditions perhaps please? During the winter test it was quite extreme cold.

[@moghysorinel9883]

how comfy is on street hole? have air suspension?

[@pasqualepellegrino2937]

Renault ZOE is to be replaced by R5 built on new platform. Yes I'm aware this won't happen for a while.

[@pka8514]

Stellantis and CATL for the win 😄

[@arthimodo]

The e-C4 seems to be a nice car, especially for germans with joints and back pain. Personally, I prefer flat and more efficient cars. But nevertheless, I like these videos from Björn. Some days ago I was on 800km-trip with the Model 3 SR+ MIC in GER and a little bit in DK, fully loaded with 3 grown ups, 2 Children and full trunk and frunk. The average was at 165wh/km, but our speed was at least 130km/h (Ok, there were some slow construction sites) always, when allowed and with some short sprints to 180-190, when required (in order to not disturb the BMW-fossils, who always do 1000km without stops and always over 200km/h with 6l/100km^^). Edit: I think, the improoved charging curve could have something to do with the reduced capacity. If they cut off the upper voltage and thus reduced the cap. by 4 kWh, higher speeds seem possible at higher SoC. But it has nothing to do with the real SoC then. I think, they improoved the curve a little bit and the rest of the improovement comes with the upper cut off. But for me, thats a downside.

[@vikingdk9150]

The available capacity is not reduced in this car - it is the same for all PSA cars with this drivetrain. It is just because in the range test it was calculated based on GOM instead of SOC as I understand it. When GOM says (-) you still have 5-7% - which can also be seen on the battery indicator/bar in the car or in the app. That will give a range of 315-320 km and capacity of ~44 kWh at 90 km/h - similar to the other PSA cars.

[@angeldominguez4993]

@@vikingdk9150 In fact voltage at 100& SoC is now lower, which means the new 100% SoC has less energy than previous one. That also explains why we have some regen at 100% SoC (previously we had none at 98-100% SoC). So I think most of the improvement is because of higher current at high SoC, but some of it it is because now we have a little less capacity

[@TheBeggFamily]

Cute music on this one!

[@johanthor7016]

open for retry Polestar 2 with single motor long or standard range?

[@azerx3759]

I'm comparing this with the "new" MG Marvel R. Which would you choose?

[@MaltePersike]

I think the Zoe test is not necessary. At least in Germany, Zoe sales are in steep decline. I get the impression that the window of opportunity where the Zoe looked attractive is practically closed.

[@akacicaa]

Yeah, but Renault can and will lower the price in time and it can be relevant for 2-3 years easily. The 22kw AC is still the only solution for someone living in a block of flats/city with limited charging infrastructure. And the range is very nice.

[@paullindberg6219]

Thanks! 🙏

[@Carbonracer1]

Nice video - Test the Mustang for a new 1000 km challenge

[@jwvandegronden]

Is there a goldilock zone regarding battery size, charging speed and flattening curves? As it seems the flattening happens relevant to the size of the battery, so the bigger the battery, the longer the charging times. But also the longer distance you can drive on one charge. Higher average charging speeds upto 55/60% verses lower count in charging sessions... And the cost of charging, which probably is more expensive when charging higher capacity charging EV's like the Etron, drving up the TCO. Somehow it feels the goldilock zone is with cars like this ë-C4, and the Kia e-Niro, and even with the Hyundai Kona and ioniq (old model). Does that gut feeling pan out in your sheet?

[@colla555]

How much faster would the Ford Mustang Mach-e be in Summer? I see it did it in 11:30 hrs in Winter with a huge consumption of 32 kWh/100km

[@MaxFiveGames]

Bjorn why dont you just get an extra random phone? You could just start a timer on it untill you finish. Then you dont need to wait like like in this video - 9min for no reason. You could just start when you are ready :)

[@bjornnyland]

Bad idea.

[@kasmopaya2676]

Just calculated(Asian maths) the Supercharger costs for Norway, I got about 25 Euro cents for instance Oslo and about 36 euro cents for the north of Norway. That is way more that I expected. I thought the energy prices in Norway are extremely low? Or only at home? How much does the energy cost at home? The king of EV charging price is Netherlands, with about 24 euro cents.

[@asnovasdodia]

In Spain some chargers cost about 0,8€/kwh

[@kasmopaya2676]

@@asnovasdodia 80 cents for some public chargers? That sounds like Ionity for me? Anyway, Spain has very good Supercharger prices, 29 cents/kWh. In Germany, we don't even match that if the EEG tax goes away soon. Italy with 43 cent is a total mess, how is it possible for a country with so much sunlight to have the highest energy prices. I guess corrupt politicians....

[@kasmopaya2676]

@@skyemalcolm Tesla does it best of course, fair prices over the whole country and if the charging speed drops below a certain amount, the charging prices drop automatically. Nobody else does that.

[@ShaneOSullivanky]

Zoe 1000kM challenge please Bjorn, just so we can benchmark it against the current generation of fast charging EVs.

[@charlesbuzz]

Hey Björn , you should do the e-Niro

[@dewarmc]

Excellent 1000km review in the Citroen EC 4 as normal Bjorn, but I was wondering if you have done the same test in the new 38Kwh Ionic because all I could see in your stats was the previous 28Kwh Ionic... Keep up the great reviews :-)

[@afonsogoncalves6725]

Bjorn, can u redoo the e-Niro 64kwh ?

[@MrTechfreak95]

ZOE Test would be cool. :D

[@michaelkregnes9119]

Cant wait for the EV6😁

[@aaromnido]

Me too!

[@tomiboy1001]

Am o the only one who’s not having sound in the riding sequences?

[@erosravera3721]

Just to be clear: this car is the most recent model, not the 2021 one?

[@MadsDKN]

What is the average cost to drive 1000km like this?

[@Nobody_Famous]

Cost=227kWh*$/kWh

[@silferderp]

Will you be testing the XC40 fwd/p6?

[@TheSanien]

ABC 🤣 love your dad humor Bjørn 😂

[@CampGareth]

Rewatching this video it seems the copyright fairies have muted the audio during driving sections where there's normally music

[@audungillerdalen]

Hei , kanskje kjøre e niro ?

[@Mtatc1]

Maybe re-do the test with Kona in summer

[@HPF-Jensen]

it is a popular city car in Denmark

[@Jamesprycefly]

Headlight test coming?

[@thomaseriksson3182]

Thanks for this👍

[@sellesweden]

I would like to know the charging costs that you have on 1000km challenge , not counting the first charge 100%.

[@LolliCavenagos]

Go for the 1000 km with Zoe again!

[@Unknown-jl7mg]

e c4 vs leaf ??

[@toth1982]

A cheaper Polestar 2 is coming in. They have announced it in about April I guess. So it may be available. And it is only 2wd, so it might be more efficient, + in January I guess there was a SW update, which made charging faster. So "redoing" that 1000km challenge may be a good idea.

[@Luis-xr9ye]

Hi Bjorn, can u test the Ford Mustang Mach-e Rwd?

[@robertosborne956]

So to be fair the weather was warmer when you did the 1000km challenge in the citroen ce4 than what it was when u did the 1000km challenge with the hyundai ioniq 38kw the weather then was very different Also the trip was on a different route so do the hyundai ioniq on the same route and the same weather then maybe the ioniq will have a better time

[@siasek]

Would it be worth spending another +-12 hours to test the old Ioniq?

[@martingorbush2944]

1000 km challange on electric bike. ;)

[@johnpater78]

That would be nice, I vote for a Stromer :)

[@swannvictor1388]

liked the video but being new to the channel, am a bit confused: What is the 'Challenge'? A 1000kilometers on one charge? Surely EVs can't do that yet? I live in Brunei (no EVs at all here) and am a bit out of touch, sorry.

[@caps244]

He only stops for charging. With this he compares how much time he needs to complete the 1000kms, using various cars. You can see his spreed sheet in the discription with all the data

[@swannvictor1388]

@@caps244 thanks. wonder if we will ever see the day an EV will be able to go a thousand kilometers per charge?! Now wouldn't that be something....

[@poisonablemind]

Nice music

[@Tatisifetita]

A test with nio when arrive

[@sdjfvgfgb]

What happened to your music?

[@bjornnyland]

Is that a question

[@sdjfvgfgb]

Yes@@bjornnyland

[@Morty1702]

Redo the e-Golf😋