Can we fix the suburbs?

[@ac1455]

The US and the USSR, truly 2 sides of the same coin in housing yet in 2 opposite directions. Subsidized, standardized housing with artificial layouts is what both have in common.

[@badhombre4683]

Glad to see someone else sees the parallelism. The Soviets and the Americans have extreme and stringent patterns of urban planning and they are both dystopias in similar and dissimilar ways.

[@heidirabenau511]

They both have their own respective flaws.

[@barryrobbins7694]

@@Preetzole It is not about being profound. It is addressing a political attitude that many people in the United States have regarding urban planning - an attitude that is not consistent.

[@AssBlasster]

Yeah but the key distinction is single vs mixed use zoning. The US forces car ownership while it's mostly optional in the USSR.

[@barryrobbins7694]

@@AssBlassterExactly, Americans say they value choice, but in practice are limiting choice in urban design.

[@barryrobbins7694]

One of the issues is that the roads in many suburbs don’t have layouts conducive to increasing mixed-use zoning. The roads are not even good for their intended use. They are basically obstructive to prevent through traffic.

[@nunyabidness3075]

Since the roads are generally laid out by the developers, they reflect what the developers thought would sell best. Don’t go blaming capitalism though because it was statism. The federal housing programs ensured the whole scheme would follow their wishes by taking over the mortgage market in the name of affordable housing. The public was then primed to think that new safe neighborhoods had a certain look and feel.

[@angelsy1975]

@@nunyabidness3075 Chicken or the egg... capitalism that runs a government that regulates capitalism, &c &c &c

[@barryrobbins7694]

@@nunyabidness3075 Who said anything about capitalism?

[@barryrobbins7694]

@@angelsy1975Exactly. Regardless of who designed the roads, a government approved it.

[@wsmith521]

Right. Sometimes I think about how roads like that could actually be good if they were designed slightly different. Like when a road ends in a cul-de-sac instead of continuing to the main road straight ahead, like you said in order to not allow through traffic. What if in situations like that there were walking/biking paths connecting the roads that should connect but only for pedestrians. This would limit through traffic like the idea is but also make walking more convenient than driving limiting traffic even more and making for a nice area.

[@denizwesley3227]

One of the single most effective features I see in Euro suburbs (and cities) are culs-de-sac that don’t end. They only end for cars. There generally are walking paths that’ll connect individual culs-de-sac to each other and then connect to feeder and/or arterial roads. This feature ensures walkability/bikability and would probably go a long way in American suburbs, as the cul-de-sac will otherwise ensure that most of everything is outside of walking distance

[@wsams]

We have them in PDX, US. We also have terrific bike infrastructure, trains, and streetcars. We also have a butt load of cars and no traffic enforcement. We're working on it. ❤

[@josephfisher426]

This was a common thing in the US until (I would guess) WW2.

[@barryrobbins7694]

This is great when there are good routes for vehicles to service small businesses scattered within the suburb. US suburbs often have bottlenecks that create mini traffic jams as cars go to and from work. The roads also make it difficult for sane buss routes. They are like mazes.

[@skyisreallyhigh3333]

@@wsams They actually just started the traffic enforcement back up last week. Our streetcars should be given more priority on the streets and run every 10 minuets instead of every 20. We need more MAX lines that don't go downtown. And how awesome would it be if the yellow/orange line was actually split and one went downtown and the other went on the east of the river and they reconnect at the bridges. God that would be so nice. PDX has so much potential.

[@aquaticko]

@@skyisreallyhigh3333 I'm always a bit perplexed by the emphasis on a MAX line that doesn't go to downtown. The strongest cities and transit systems with the most potential are pretty strongly monocentric; think Tokyo, NYC, Seoul. Yes, those places have more than one center, but those centers are close to one another, and in any case, they're huge regions with a strong central city. PDX already has that--relatively. The problem is that Portland is, itself, relatively small and low density, and its suburbs (including my current hometown Beaverton) are even worse in that regard. The MAX has good bones, needing only a downtown tunnel and connection to Vancouver to be able to function well as a regional rail system. Building a tangential line that doesn't go into downtown is only likely to worsen the region's sprawl problem.

[@rexx9496]

Last year I stayed in suburban area of Montreal. It was much more dense than a typical suburb with most residential buildings being two-story quad-plexes. Even in this area which was a distance from the center of Montreal, I could walk to corner stores, larger supermarkets, restaurants and the metro was less than a 10 minute walk away. The area was clean, leafy, quiet, safe, near parks and all those things people stereotypical associate with suburbia. But it was much more pedestrian friendly. There is a way to do suburbs better. While a car may still be handy, you could totally be car-lite in a neighborhood like that. I like having a car, I just hate needing a car to do *everything*. For most Americans if their car breaks down and needs to be in the shop for a week they have to rent another car to be able to live life normally. That's crazy to me. In Montreal, if my car was being repaired for a week I wouldn't even be inconvenienced much.

[@mardiffv.8775]

Great to hear about Montreal. I live in the Dutch city of Utrecht and i can cycle to work, shops, family, friends. I only use my car to visit people in other cities like Amsterdam.

[@blastdamage]

I live in Montreal and I don't have a car. It's only ever a problem if I want to visit my relatives in the suburbs and countryside. But for everyday travelling within the city it never even occurs to me that I could use a car because it's just so convenient not to. My favourite Montreal neighborhoods, Hochelaga-Maisonneuve and Verdun, used to be independent suburbs until they merged into the city proper in 1918 and 2002 respectively. They both have a small number of single family homes but the iconic Montreal-style "plexes" make up the vast majority of the housing supply, they both have great mixed-use commercial streets (Rue Wellington in Verdun was apparently named the coolest street in the entire world), they are both extremely walkable and they are connected to multiple bus lines, metro stations and bike paths. If only all suburbs were like this.

[@nunyabidness3075]

Where do you live that you cannot find anything like that in your town? I live in Houston, TX. We are the poster child for suburb hate vids and the arch nemesis of the city planning industry. I can walk to most everything and easily bike downtown or to the museum area or the medical center mostly on dedicated trails. I’m in a 3 story town home. We have an electric bike for our second “car”. Bus stop is two blocks away which gets us to rail as well. If as many people chose walkable neighborhoods as gripe about suburbs, there would be no need to gripe about suburbs.

[@mardiffv.8775]

@@nunyabidness3075 That is good, Houston is better then I thought.

[@rexx9496]

@@nunyabidness3075 it's not that such neighborhoods don't exist in America it's that they are prohibitively expensive for the average person. In my city to live in one of the close in walkable areas, a studio apartment would be about $2,000 a month.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

I think the victorian suburbs is what I consider is the sort of the peak design for what a suburb should be, great public transport links, a central street with local shops, a large park, and town houses with beautiful design, street patterns that aim for density, but can also be well designed with cresents etc

[@evanfunk7335]

Prospect park area in NY comes to mind

[@ukraineball953]

Agreed

[@Anti-Taxxer]

"Density" (being on top of your neighbors) and "public transportation" (being crammed into busses with dozens of other people, like cattle, being entirely dependent on the routes and schedules someone else chose) are the peak of bad ideas.

[@Grzegorz_Grabowski]

@@Anti-Taxxer you kinda described living in an human settlment and every form of transport

[@Anti-Taxxer]

@@Grzegorz_Grabowski No. My house is not on top of my neighbor’s house because my neighborhood is not dense. I can get in my car and go wherever I want, whenever I want because it’s an objectively superior form of transportation.

[@AA_cowgomoo]

Lived in Korea for a year. Love having corner stores in walking distance. Also makes daily exercise much more fun and interesting. Probably trivializing the situation but if a city allows every corner lot to be multi usage lot, it would be a start.

[@cowfat8547]

theres corner stores in walking distance in american suburbs too

[@twostop6895]

@@cowfat8547lol

[@twostop6895]

I just retired from the Army but did six years in South Korea since the year 2000 and a minimum of 10,000 steps were baked into my day by default, in the US I have to get that amount of steps in on my free time, easier to keep your BMI under control in that environment too

[@cowfat8547]

@@twostop6895 i live in the US suburbs and average 12,000 steps even on the days when i’m not working out or going for a walk. you can get your steps in and keep your bmi in check without doing anything extra in your spare time. it’s about mentality not your environment

[@twostop6895]

@@cowfat8547 the average US BMI clearly back what you just said

[@Trenz0]

As a west coast suburb nomad it's always hilarious to watch your videos and hear about the cities I've lived in. It's refreshing when a few of them often come up as good examples lol

[@jnkiee]

I wouldn't consider myself a nomad but me and my family have lived in 5+ midsize to tiny cities and it's always very nice to hear them get mentioned.

[@elizabethdavis1696]

Please consider traveling to a streetcar suburb and make a similar video and talk how how they were designed and layout

[@tubz]

I live in Chicago and Evanston is a perfect example of a suburb done correctly in America. Mixed use developments, a walkable downtown, public transit that connects to the main city.

[@jasonriddell]

ANY inner OLD neighbourhood would count

[@mbogucki1]

Roncesvalles, Toronto.

[@aeotsuka]

Yes, this! Look at the streetcar suburbs, the older commuter rail suburbs of New York (many of the suburbs in Westchester on Metro-North have 20%+ of journeys to work taking place on transit before COVID, despite being mostly single family homes!). Shaker Heights, Ohio has an interesting street layout too -- all the side streets feed into the rapid (light rail) stations to maximize walk-to-transit. I grew up in an older commuter rail suburb of NJ, and my neighborhood of suburban homes was

[@chijason6630]

@@tubz I live in Oak Park, Illinois, and consider it a close second to Evanston as a great streetcar suburb.

[@lexa_power]

As someone who can’t drive due to disability, and would love to live in a “nice area” but am forced to live in the city because I have to be near public transit, because the suburbs don’t have busses or public transit or usually even Uber drivers nearby, thanks for seeing and hearing the disabled community in this video ♿️🧏🏼‍♀️👩🏼‍🦯🦮🙏🏻☺️ Wish more able bodied people had compassion like you!

[@nehcooahnait7827]

Sounds like the city you live in needs some improvements so that it can become a “nice area” too.

[@amorphousblob]

The sad thing is, most people in these suburb areas immediately just jump to anger when other neighborhoods densify and prioritize cycling, walking, and accessibility in general. They'll complain, "why is this area developing so much and removing so much parking?! I can't drive here anymore! Screw them!". They never reframe it like, "why does my own area force me to totally leave it, simply to buy a few groceries?". It's like they never understand they can have the same thing in their own neighborhood...

[@jackesioto]

Yeah, the burbs as they exist in the US today aren't conducive to helping those with certain disabilities live independently, they essentially force such people into still living with mom and dad, or reside in group homes.

[@pongop]

Thank you for sharing. I also like how inclusive and compassionate this channel is. He has discussed Universal Design and accessibility in other videos as well. Universal design just makes sense because it benefits everybody.

[@linuxman7777]

You can blame walmart for that, before the big box stores, almost all towns in america were very walkable, you didn't even need transit. There were general stores in every town. But now, everyone within 20 mi drives to walmart to save money and the general stores couldn't compete

[@MikeHarris1984]

Yes, HOA can stop trees from growing. My neighborhood, trees can only be so big, after, you have to pay to remove and plant a new one....

[@CafeLu]

that is so sad!!!

[@MMMmyshawarma]

what a wonderful living situation. that shit is gross.

[@100c0c]

Where is the tree planted and what size is the limit? HOA could definitely be in the right depending on the context.

[@ianhomerpura8937]

Weird, since having large trees are great.

[@whuzzzup]

I find HOA quite amusing as an European. We hear of the Land of the Free and all that and then some dudes telling you what color to paint your house in or how often you have to mow your lawn. That sounds so absurd.

[@Merle1987]

It's sad when, as human beings, we have to do the stupidest possible thing, to realize it was dumb.

[@christianspaay437]

This is one of the best comments I’ve ever read. The truest words

[@paulgabel8261]

To be fair, this is only the outcome of a country having so much money and so much space they dont need to optimize the amount of space they have. When they do, it gives out interesting cities like New-York/Manhattan and Chicago.

[@vladtheimpalerofd1rtypajee316]

Like how Indians plan their cities.

[@amorphousblob]

It's stupid in hindsight, but the residential zoning was seen as necessary during the World War because of (among other things) production facilities ramping up.

[@dubjubs]

​@@paulgabel8261Yeah not great examples of good cities...well at least not anymore

[@telotawa]

americans will complain about "commie blocks" and then go live in one of these lol at least my commie block has a grocery store right outside and a bus and train station 2 minutes away. never needed a car

[@Sparticulous]

Americans tend to be idiots. They want their communism for only rich people and they vote for it

[@ThecrazyJH96]

Imagine if each suburb had even their own convenience store and park, most new ones don’t

[@timonix2]

I grew up in a suburb in Europe. All the houses looked identical when they were build. But now they have changed so much that they don't feel like the same houses any more. But we had multiple parks, a convenience store, a gas station with a small store, two restaurants, a gym, two preschools and two football fields, tennis court, fishing pond, museum, a golf court and a few local businesses. All within a 1km walk. The only really bad thing about the place was the absolute lack of public transport. We had a bus stop 500m away with about one bus per hour. It absolutely is possible to make suburbs a good place to live. But I couldn't imagine living in a social dessert like the American suburbia.

[@jerrymiller9039]

Your park is your yard

[@R0NYFL0NY]

@@jerrymiller9039 How do you socialize with strangers in your yard? Stupid.

[@koolmckool7039]

@@jerrymiller9039 Some park. Not enough space to throw a football.

[@JesusManera]

@@jerrymiller9039 A yard sounds like a crap park. Literally a 1 minute walk away from our house is a park with a large children's playground, a basketball half-court, a grassed area big enough to kick a football, communal BBQs and tables to have picnics with neighbours, and lots of space for dogs to run. Unless you live in the country, not the suburbs, no backyard has that much space. The other main benefit is what it teaches kids. Obviously every single parent on the planet (I would hope) teaches their kids to always share and consider others before themselves, to always let others go first, etc. If your own yard is your park, kids are less likely to learn that at home and possibly more likely to become protective of what's "theirs". Whereas if your play area is communal, you need to take turns, let others go first, and share the equipment, it instills manners and the kind of selflessness and consideration for others above themselves that we all want our kids to grow up with as a core value.

[@MarioFanGamer659]

Since I'm from Europe, modern suburbs gives me quite some uncanny feelings. The biggest one are the standardised houses which are so unnatural, it is incredible.

[@adamcako5281]

Eastern Bloc prefabs and british semi-detached houses are also cookie cutter If there is a sudden spike in urban population (say industrial revolution) it is bound to happen

[@burtiq]

@@adamcako5281 yes, but, at least in the case of the eastern ones, they can house a lot more people in the same area, and usually had a lot of greenery around them. American suburbs are most of the time ugly and certainly inefficient

[@GdzieJestNemo]

@@adamcako5281 but it wasn't segregated and single use zoning like in US.

[@joez.2794]

@@GdzieJestNemo Claiming Eastern Bloc housing wasn't "segregated like the US" is a bit dishonest, dontchathink? I mean, who would you have segregated?

[@HavNCDy]

@@burtiq pfft I’d prefer suburbia every day of the week to eastern style blocks. Those thing are hell on earth.

[@Felix-nz7lq]

It’s important to note that racial segregation was just as much driven by the federal government as the private developers themselves. Developers wouldn’t get federal loans in many cases if they sold houses to African Americans

[@Winnas]

Yes, but how does this fix our current problems?

[@hogfather22]

@@Winnas The first step to fixing a problem is acknowledging you have one. And not trying to ignore or actively hiding the history that led up to the situation as it stands today.

[@Winnas]

@@hogfather22 It's not ignored, and those laws were struck down. Lenders no longer discriminate by race - time to move on and figure out how to rebuild our cities without blaming others, it will not get us results.

[@james_chatman]

@@Winnas Fixing the ongoing legacy of racism by ignoring the current impact of past policies and is like restoring a flooded basement by only fixing the busted pipe.

[@jermainec2462]

​@@Winnas lenders no longer discriminate ... Lol you funny ...

[@mikeydude750]

Honestly I don't care if a place looks "cookie-cutter" if it's got the other stuff and doesn't cost way too much. If your biggest problem with your affordable, transit-accessible apartment or house is that it looks "bland", I'd say you're doing pretty well.

[@mikeyreza]

The great thing is that affordable, transit accessible, mixed-use and dense areas rarely look "bland" compared to suburbs. It would be very hard to make them look bland because they simply offer so much more physically.

[@mohammedsarker5756]

the problem is that such homes are NOT affordable due to the housing shortage, a shortage perpetuated by cities AND suburbs (looking at YOU San Francisco, Los Angelos, NYC, and Long Island!) that refuse to construct homes in line with population growth, which has lead to worst of all possible worlds: skyrocketing homeless, working and middle-class flight, lost economic growth, and a rent burden that chews up people's income rather than allow that money to go to use on productive things like purchases or investments. On the national level our housing shortage has cost us about 3-5% of national GDP, depending on which economic studies you read

[@mikeydude750]

@@mohammedsarker5756 The issue is the real estate sector has its claws in local politics in a way that no other sector really has, and it greatly benefits from a scarcity of housing because it can keep rents and home prices high without having to actually put up capital investment to build new housing or redevelop. This is why only "luxury" housing seems to be built - there's certainly an element of collusion between real estate developers and local governments that encourages just enough development to build high margin rental properties and new housing developments without actually building enough to meaningfully reduce prices.

[@jz4461]

​@@mikeydude750New developments are luxury because development is expensive. These developments can also lower prices since now the higher income households aren't competing with lower income households over housing that's decades old.

[@jasonriddell]

@@mikeyreza I disagree a SEA of tower blocks of glass with "podium" "city homes" that are all the same and the HOA/ body corporate preventing ANY exterior changes and often includes exterior "maintenance" and in same cases stipulate curtain colours IMHO "missing middle" is quite hard to make "bland" without actual effort as long as the housing types are MIXED IE block of flats and then some terraced homes and then a tower ETC

[@Quintapion]

Why are Americans obsessed with diversity😂

[@JohnnyNada]

American media is. Us American citizens don't want it!!!

[@lmlm_]

Brainwashing and propaganda that convinced them to hate themselves.

[@Urbanhandyman]

Realistically it makes sense to emphasize new neighborhoods be built at higher density with moderate amounts of in-filling in currently existing single-family neighborhoods. Since homes are individually owned the rate of change in single-family neighborhoods will be sporadic at best. It can't be planned and implemented very well. I agree with the video that increasing density on major arterial roadways is key to chipping away at suburban sprawl. Many suburbs have long and wide streets that act like junior freeways and are anti-pedestrian in nature. I would focus my efforts on that part of the suburbs. It will result in the biggest pay-off.

[@jasonriddell]

IMHO we NEED both BUT I believe we SHOULD NOT focus on "forcing" change in the suburbs BUT make density allowed and PRE build better transit / NON car infrastructure BEFORE the demand well demands it AS the "default" will be MORE cars and NOT more density to USE the "over built" transit that is waiting to be utilized the NON car accessibility will INCREASE property value and INCREASE the URGE for people / AND developers to build MORE units of housing

[@Urbanhandyman]

@@jasonriddell I agree with you but you've described a model that's more in line with the Chinese model for transit which we most certainly will never adopt in the United States. I don't see that method being adopted in Canada either although they might surprise me.

[@MaddJakd]

So, f suburbs. Everything needs to be either actual city or "city lite."

[@SpikeyTech]

I used to think I hated living in cities and that I only had 2 choices: either live in a place that's far away and quiet, or in a place that's convenient but loud. Turns out I just hate suburbia.

[@SharienGaming]

funny thing - what makes cities so loud isnt people or the landuse or the density... it is cars... lots and lots and lots of cars... with sufficiently good public transit options and mixed use areas, you might be able to drop car usage enough to be able to hear birds sing when you step outside

[@PhotonBeast]

Ditto! From the States but living abroad at the moment in a people-oriented city, and I had the same realization. And even within the city limits, you can still find a range of experiences for housing to fit your taste. Closer to the city center is more typically 'city-like'; further out, is missing middle/mixed use housing, and further out still (but still within like.. 30 minutes of the city center) is a bit less non-mixed use housing that's still a little more spread out but still incredibly people oriented - each block of housing typically still having communal areas, corner stores, and such. And even further out, you could find what we would call suburbia... but there's still public transit you can walk to if/when you want to get to the city center, and there's still grocery stores within a 5 minute walk.

[@sandwich2473]

I live in the outskirts of Glasgow and it's medium density with great public transport links with lots of little shops and restaurants about the place with fields one one side and a 20 minute train to the city centre on the other I could never live in the American suburbs or the city

[@dannielz6]

​​@@sandwich2473hats exactly how many Americans suburbs are though at least where I live in SoCal. Im about 5 minutes drive from any shopping I need and there's a rapid transit bus that I can take to downtown as well. America is huge and cities vary especially from one state to another. Its silly to think they are all like this video.

[@amorphousblob]

Like the other comment said, most of the noise from cities in North America is caused by vehicles. Even the sound of vehicle wheels driving over asphalt makes a kind of white noise. Hundreds of these vehicles all driving over asphalt, no honking or other noise required, is very loud - to the point you can't even have a conversation with someone on certain stroads. Places that are not car-dependent, because of this, can be uncannily quiet, to the point you can hear yourself breathing if you're outside.

[@rylandplassmann9095]

I have an idea: connect cut-de-sac to cut-de-sac with bike paths or concrete walkways. It would still achieve its goal of preventing rat-running. The problem now is convincing some homeowners to sell parts of their yards to make these paths.

[@RealConstructor]

That would mean that lots of house owners will loose some of their yard to be able to make this possible. I don’t think these homeowners will sell if it means they get a bicycle path or footpath through their (former) yard. So expropriation is the only option and you need lots of them if you want to connect all cul-de-sacs. Don’t think a county council will push this through if 5he members want to be re-elected.

[@Yay295]

It's not just that they would be losing part of their yard either. They would now have people walking through an area that used to be a private space for them.

[@NatureShy]

@@Yay295 That's why they need to be built at the beginning. Many newer suburbs (at least as far back as 2005) in the Portland OR region have walking paths connecting cul-de-sacs and other looping suburban streets. You can get anywhere by foot here and aside from the gated communities, most suburbs are connected and not segregated in that sense. Car dependency is still a huge issue though. But I do see a surprising amount of bikes even with our measly painted bike lanes and car dependent infrastructure and roads. So there is potential. Adding "neighborhood paths" like those over here would be very difficult I'm sure in places that didn't put them in initially. But at least maybe sidewalks are easier to get added later when "street improvements" get done, at least on the major streets and roads. Maybe not as easy to add sidewalks for the residential streets that are built up but lack sidewalks because of the low incentive to add sidewalks to "less important streets" serving just a few houses.

[@laurie7689]

I'd never sell off any portion of my property. Furthermore, it would mean losing my privacy which is of utmost importance to myself. I prefer my own company, thank you very much.

[@laurie7689]

@@NatureShy In some States, there are a lack of sidewalks because the State passed legislation making the sidewalk maintenance the responsibility of the nearest homeowner. Basically, the homeowner has to pay for it, not the State or city. My State is like that. So, there aren't any sidewalks in most of the suburbs near me because the developers knew that we wouldn't want to pay for them - and they were correct. Our roads are wide and that allows for folks to walk along them. We don't need the sidewalks.

[@eetutiiro4808]

I dont understand why a residentrial area should be mixed-income, I dont see why that alone would create anything positive, people like to be around those similar to them. I like in socialist paradise finland and live in student building, I like it because there are no screaming kids, stressed dads and nosy grandmothers.

[@josephinepura525]

Hypercapitalist Singapore does that though. They deliberately set quotas on public housing according to income and race, basically allowing everyone to socialize.

[@JohnnyNada]

I hate cities

[@lorrilewis2178]

The one thing high density proponents never seem to address is the exposure to NOISE. I am hyper sensitive to noise. I once lived in a condo that fronted a street with heavy traffic and those were the most miserable years of my life. Opening a window only made it worse. I remember one night taking a shower just to get away from the noise and standing there crying. I live in the countryside now, though plenty of the neighborhoods here are really suburbs within forests. I will NEVER voluntarily go back to all that noise.

[@markevans8206]

Cars are what make most of the noise. Mixed use neighborhoods have less traffic and it travels slower, meaning mixed use neighborhoods are quieter.

[@Yay295]

@@markevans8206 Neighbors make noise too, even without cars (or lawnmowers).

[@lorrilewis2178]

@@markevans8206 I think that is still too noisy for me. I am temporarily living in a townhouse close to the center of this small town. This means I hear the highway, which is only two lanes in each direction and it's not even that close. It's still noisy when I sit on the deck and I hate it.

[@EnbyFranziskaNagel]

​@@lorrilewis2178 my Appartement is more silent than the suburban Home I lived in before. I used to hear the Highway in the valley. Now I live on a pedestrian street and only hear the occasional streetcar.

[@machtmann2881]

@@EnbyFranziskaNagel I could never get used to the sound of my neighbors mowing each morning in the suburbs. Or arguing. Learned the hard way that suburbs are not necessarily more peaceful, especially if you got some shitty neighbors that won't leave after just a year long lease :/

[@July1st1867]

Yes, You can. Toronto has been doing an ok job at it.

[@fernbedek6302]

Canadian cities have tended to have better density in the suburbs. So we have that advantage.

[@roshanramesh2634]

Yeah kudos for city of Toronto for removing single family zoning, hope single family zoning throughout Ontario will be removed soon.

[@terrygelinas4593]

Could be better - time will tell. More medium density housing needed, like what Montreal has with multiplexes. Suburbs questionable - and more traffic from car priority and low density.

[@anti-carnistvegan]

Ok job sadly isn't a great job

[@NotKimiRaikkonen1]

​@@anti-carnistvegan it's better than nothing... Progress with anything big is slow.

[@benzero75]

I think this might be the most biased video you've made. The only "problem" of suburbs listed in this video that might realistic is the mixed zoning debate. Everything else is not an actual or current problem (it's you're lack of preference for the design), and turning suburbs into cities is not on the wish list of most people who live in suburbs. People don't live in suburbs because they want them to feel more like a city. If you're calling out one of the "problems" of suburbs is that they are "boring," you're basically killing your qualifications to be making a video like this. And the growing attacks on areas built around car travel and shopping centers is really getting old. Those designs, including arterial streets, work well and extremely efficiently in the majority of the areas that have them across the country. If you don't like suburbs, then don't live in them. It's that easy.

[@indigo8592]

You’re watching a channel called “City Beautiful” and then you’re surprised when he’s biased towards cities…

[@davidburke2697]

I moved to China 10 years ago. I like living in a city without a car. In America, that's difficult to do. I've been to maybe 30 countries and USA is the ONLY place where I NEED a car.

[@cowfat8547]

and thank god we use cars here

[@utterbullspit]

It's funny that they called a suburb, a city. Not even close.

[@jacktattersall9457]

Last week, the city of Toronto (in Ontario, Canada) enacted four-unit multiplezes city-wide, not counting already legalized garden/laneway suites (theoretically allowing five units on what was a single residential property before). The province of Ontario has basically banned single-family zoning, ordering municipalities to change zoning codes to allow at least triplexes. To the chagrin of suburban councillors, Toronto went above and beyond the provincial mandate.

[@kailarose93]

Make no mistake, this is a win by and for Torontonians and future Torontonians. Our council is overwhelmingly conservative after John Tory's 8-year rule, not to mention Rob Ford's reign of populist conservative shenanigans. I am so glad that the multiplex proposal passed, and we need a new mayor who will build housing with equity at the forefront. June 26th, please vote, our future depends on it!

[@jacktattersall9457]

@@kailarose93 I agree. And the polls look like we could have a mayor who actually recognizes the issue. So vote!

[@dubjubs]

​@@kailarose93Conservatives and Liberals are the same coin just different sides. You just got a guy that was shitty as his Job and now sounds like you guys got someone that might actually fix an issue that you have which is good.

[@attabaig6848]

But terrible housing prices

[@willardSpirit]

Suburbs: the Soviet blocks of 'merican Capitalism. Instead of cookie cutter multistory apartment blocks, it's just cookie cutter single family homes in culs de sac

[@TheRandCrews]

Now it’s flipped

[@Cotswolds1913]

@@Preetzole You have it all wrong. American suburbia is the result of state planning & control of urban spaces.

[@akg_table]

This dude really just glorified renting a cramped apartment over owning your own house and being able to do what you want with it LOL

[@mikeyreza]

@@akg_table unless you live in a neighborhood with an HOA

[@Cotswolds1913]

@@akg_table Having a house does not require the model of American suburbia, you can have an actually functional & interactive city designed for human beings instead of mobile metal cans, and have a house. You really should do some traveling, hell even google earth would suffice.

[@u3u36]

Funny how americans say "European style" while its world style, most of fhe world doesn't have this kind of structure USA has, except canada and Australia.

[@napoleonibonaparte7198]

Ultimately, the feds or the state need to change policies to conduct sweeping change.

[@HxTurtle]

as long as it's not _you_ sweeping through the country 😂

[@sarcasmo57]

Unfortunately they are still building this style of rubbish town here more than anything else.

[@timburr4453]

because that's what people want and enjoy

[@kailahmann1823]

I don't like the term "car oriented", because for me that means a car is the _preferred_ mode of transportation. But the suburbs are two (or three…) levels worse: A suburb is build for the car as the only mode of transportation. It is build to require driving for everything. And it even sucks to drive… So I'd use a term like "car requiring design".

[@theonlyalecazam2947]

car dependent

[@PlittHD]

Is it weird that I live in the "utopia." But I would love to have a detached house in the suburbs (mabye minus the homeowner assosication) I live in small German city in a quite cheap 6.50Euro/m² rented flat in a dead end so no traffic noise. Free street parking. Forest with hiking paths 10 minutes by foot. Bus stop just round the corner that is serviced every 12 minutes. Train station with long distance train service 24minutes by bus away. City center 20 minutes walk. But I really would want to have house for my self. Not having to worry about causing noise. Actually making the place they way you want it not having to worry about reversing all if you move out. Having a garage for the car. Garden. But if I stay in this flat I will spend 360,000€ until my death on rent and never own anything and couldn't even pass that to potential children.

[@mohammedsarker5756]

Then go live in a suburb. No one said u can’t own a house, just that we need more homes built to solve an international housing shortage and have good transit nearby so car ownership is a choice not a requirement

[@RK-cj4oc]

Same man. All these people whining about suburbs meanwhile most of us just want our own plot of land a and a proper sized home where we are king. I am From the Netherlands. Plenty of people would move into US style suburbs if anyone would build them here.

[@whuzzzup]

@@mohammedsarker5756 Lots of "urban" americans seem to hype/romanticize European cities. Probably because they only look at the very city center of some big cities and have no idea how it really works.

[@MarioFanGamer659]

@@whuzzzup To be fair, it wouldn't be much more different when they looked at European small towns instead.

[@danielbishop1863]

"Forest with hiking paths 10 minutes by foot." You really want to give this up? In a typical American suburb, there *isn't* a nearby forest to hike through; it's been bulldozed to make room for yet another housing subdivision.

[@k_schreibz]

I grew up in the suburbs of Denver and thought they were wonderful. I even thought it was a no brainer that suburbs and cars were ideal until adulthood, "So much space! Freedom to go anywhere! Trees! Safety! The best way to live!" Yadayada and all the other propaganda surrounding them repeated ad nauseum by everyone that has bought into them. I was lucky enough to move to Tokyo after college and then wander around Asia for a few years, and then my brother moved to Europe and ive spent a good chunk of time there too, and it was only after these lived experiences that I realized how truly soul destroying and community destroying suburbs really were. They are built to isolate and segregate you from others. It wasnt until I saw kids with true freedom to visit friends, ride the train, and see family whenever they wanted in other countries did I realize how depressing and isolating my childhood was playing video games alone in the basement. Not to mention the ignorance, fear, and racism that breeds in the suburbs because people know nothing but their subdivision and people that look like them. A car is not freedom, it is an anchor that ties you down financially, physically, and psychologically to work and home. Actual built infrastructure is true freedom. Being able to see friends and go out whenever you want on your own two feet, being able to get to any place in the city without a second thought, being able to switch jobs without upending your whole life, that is true freedom. The freedom to just be human instead of tying your whole life and identity to ownership, the freedom to live in an organic community. I think we could redo a lot of the suburbs to be more livable with higher density, mixed used devlelopment, and mass transit. But, until you convince the brainwashed masses that live there that they are living in hell theyll always think they are in paradise. I think the only real cure for that is actually going to live in a dense walkable neighborhood for once in their lives, but sadly most people only have that option in college and never make the connection that is why they loved being in college lol.

[@joshuakhaos4451]

I love many of the suburban neighborhoods in Denver. I lived there for years and loved the different areas there, But I did also love living in Downtown Denver. I actually think that we can build suburbs with a mix of high density, very walkable with shops, restaurants and stores. Yet also have low density. Give everyone a bit of everything. And then design the whole thing with Transit in mind to make them more interconnected. It can be done.

[@k_schreibz]

@@joshuakhaos4451 Yeah but the people who live in the suburbs hate transit and think it's for poor people, and whenever proposals come up to improve things they are overwhelmingly voted down. I'll say of all the suburbs I've seen in the US the inner Denver ones aren't awful aesthetics wise, but they still suffer under the same chronic issues all suburbs do.

[@DRsideburns]

​@k_schreibz ignorance fear and racism? My dude sounds like your hometown is a dumpster thoe I'm not sure where u grew up but plenty of suburbs are full of normal people lmao Dense walkable neighborhoods can have their upsides but their downsides too Having lived in all kinds of places they all have their ups and downs. Its just fashionable to cherrypick the most WASP NIMBY places in the country and pretend that every suburb is that way, which says more about you than about the world you think you live in... guess what plenty of rich racist fucks live in cities too 😂 and ride bikes to work

[@joshuakhaos4451]

@@k_schreibz Oh this is very true. Its insanely funny too. Especially when good public transport like a bus line or Light Rail would make parts of the Denver metro suburbs way more convenient and livable. Denver has many big roads that could easily have a designated rapid Transit Bus line or street car set up for its big stroads and connect its suburbs together better. Broadway could use a line, Arapahoe all the way to the edge of Aurora and even from DTC to basically Ken Karl would be a good candidate. Even Highland Hills would benefit from a line that connects to County line Rd or Arapahoe BLVD. But no, They just want to keep being car dependent for everything.

[@mohammedsarker5756]

@@joshuakhaos4451 so.... missing middle housing. If you have more mid-rise buildings everywhere you won't need high rises, not outside central business districts at least

[@belken117]

One thing I love to see more in new develop suburbs is having trees! Like, plenty along it's roads and side walks to maybe on property. Having them will also reduce energy consumption to stay cool during the summer and keeps walk ways safe for dogs under the tree's shadow. That and obviously helps with the eco system, not just for birds but to combat climate. hah

[@stevenoverlord]

Don't turn the suburbs into the ghetto

[@dutchvanderlinde426]

Is very hard to make friends and impossible to get laid in the burbs.

[@alexsmith-ob3lu]

For the USA, Streetcar Suburbs from pre WW2 are the best way to go. Europe economy is varied and has different standards, compared to that of America, which was founded and gained momentum in the industrial age.

[@SaveMoneySavethePlanet]

9:38 putting rings of parking around shopping strips is something I didn’t even notice until I started trying to live a low car lifestyle. Now it regularly annoys me that I have to walk a whole extra block through a desert of parking before I get to my actual destination!

[@singletona082]

What's worse is all that flat land could be used now for solar. Put awnings up with solar pannels, water collection, and have ways to go 'Oh hardly anyone is using a lot of this. Lets partition off these sections so they can be put to other uses in low demand times of the year.'

[@CafeLu]

What is worse is walking that parking lot on a hot day with no shade!

[@SJRS700]

Thats why its wise to workout and earn money

[@joshuakhaos4451]

As a fan of driving and cars in general, its stupid how big some parking lots are and how unfriendly they are to people. At least give us protected and greened walk paths that provide shade and some protection from cars. Especially as people get more and more lazy and reckless with how they drive and operate cars. Its only really Christmas that these lots are close to capacity, outside of that, its wide open.

[@SJRS700]

@@joshuakhaos4451 you people talk about others being lazy yet you all cry about how much you have to walk in order to get to the store ironic. And its super wide and its a lot of land, give some attention while walking, its not dangerous at all you are just too busy in your phones while walking

[@DP12321]

The main issue with all of this lies with people. Density brings noise, crime, pollution, traffic, etc. It all sounds good on paper. Public transit is great in Japan because you don't have people smoking, fighting, and shooting up and leaving their needles around. 💉 They have a culture of conformity that isn't perfect, but it'll dissuade someone from blaring their Bluetooth speakers on the bus. Cities have only gotten worse since 2020. I love biking and wish it was default transportation, but I'm entirely over city life. Trees are better than more construction any day of the week. 🌳 🌲

[@HornetsNestRebel]

Demographics are destiny.

[@GarryBurgess]

I see and appreciate the point here, but I can still walk my suburb, and I do every day. But I'd rather live here than in the rotten core that is full of crime. If I don't live in a house, I can't have a dog, and I love my dog.

[@elizabethstevenson9881]

As someone who gre up in the 'burbs I can attest that it made for an idealic childhood. The only time in my life i didnt appreciate it was in my early 20's until i had my own children. They are not as horri le as people make them out to be.

[@zachzockoll3450]

While I have no love for subdivisions, they often are predatory in accusation of farmland from farmers. I would equally dislike living in the changes you propose. I love the channel and find the though experiments very interesting but for me not being able to hear my neighbors is ideal. Hell if I could put a house in the middle of 100 wooded acres I would. But I understand that I’m the minority here. Having said all that I’d still take a typical subdivision cookie cutter over sharing a wall with a neighbor.

[@bobhumble]

Yeah that’s one point I think he misses. The ideal for me would be a variety of types of houses with single family homes still available for those who like them. Then allow local businesses to be built nearby these homes so people can walk to buy groceries and go shopping while still having the benefits of living in a separated house.

[@dubjubs]

Good thing he is just but one human and not in the place to actually make these changes and I hope it stays that way. Housing actually is too expensive here due to too much land being owned by US government and it give us hardly any place to build

[@stischer47]

Interestingly, most of the suburbs I have run into here in San Antonio (at least those built before 1980), the houses were very different because there was a...rule (?) that no two houses could be built in the same block with the same look. There were similar houseplans, but the exteriors were different enough that you had to really look to see the simiarities.

[@martincruz8319]

Oak Park, Illinois seemingly is a combination of city and suburban living. Helps that the Chicago Transit Authority has two separate subway lines serving the 'burb as well as METRA (the transit commuter rail agency).

[@saldol9862]

San Antonio for a Texan city actually has an ok bus system oddly enough. My main complaint is that the humid-hot heat

[@lyledal]

To fix the suburbs, you have to first get rid of all the suburbanites. So, not likely gonna happen.

[@hitmangfx7162]

Supply and demand. You can't dictate demand to people. :)

[@My-Opinion-Doesnt-Matter]

To fix the suburbs, you have to first get rid of the stupid zoning laws, supply and demand will do the rest.

[@skyisreallyhigh3333]

Omg, if we built dense housing around all the dying malls and then made the malls into community centers, that would be balls to the walls awesome!

[@lyssasletters3232]

Or turn the malls into housing. Keep the exterior structure and retrofit the interior ❤

[@PhotonBeast]

Absolutely! Use some of the parking space for playgrounds, gardens, and other community areas. Shove all the cars underground. So much more inviting spaces.

[@dannielz6]

​@@lyssasletters3232Keep the food court though lol. Nice to be able to walk to Orange Julius or Sbarro!

[@dannielz6]

Great idea. Thats actually what they're doing where I live. Its great for the mall too since so many people shop online now. People so close by might opt to just walk there.

[@FlameG102]

most malls have so much land, that you could easily just build a new small town on the ground. rezone it into mixed use, and build a mix of housing and business frontage, and connect it to the outside. Do this with all the dead or dying malls out there (with govt incentives for owners of dead/dying malls to sell and developers to play along too) and youve gone a long way towards addressing the housing problems we face. Although, most of the places where dead malls lie don't necessarily have housing shortages. there's plenty of dead malls in middle america where homes are still cheap. The irony is that part of what killed those malls is that very car centric design when faced with the convenience of the internet. Why drive 15-20 minutes to be disappointed by Sears, when you can just buy a jacket or pair of shoes online.

[@kasbas5922]

No one will dictate how I’d live , so sorry I’d rather live in a suburb were I have a place to breathe than living in a crowded apartment building anywhere else !!

[@ProjectBlackwell]

Low density is what makes the suburbs desirable for many.

[@jamiecinder9412]

All's we have to do is look even further into the past. Don't forget that streetcar suburbs exist. Like Dorchester, MA.

[@perfectallycromulent]

Dorchester is part of the city of Boston, not a suburb. And we have a subway, light rail both urban and commuter lines, buses, and ferries, but pretty sure there are no streetcar lines here.

[@tomgeraci9886]

@@perfectallycromulent it’s part of Boston, but many residential neighborhoods of Boston can still be described as streetcar suburbs. West Roxbury, Brighton, Hyde Park and parts of Dorchester are good exampled

[@jamiecinder9412]

@@perfectallycromulent yes, it's part of Boston today. It was annexed at some point. But it still is a historical streetcar suburb of the city.

[@perfectallycromulent]

@@jamiecinder9412 dude, it was annexed over 100 years ago. i live in boston. no one thinks of it as a suburb, and there are no streetcars here, so no one talks about that. seriously, if you care about this, don't make things up, listen to the locals. we don't even think of actual separate cities like cambridge and brookline as suburbs, they are cities just like boston, but smaller.

[@perfectallycromulent]

@@tomgeraci9886 if you're gonna keep calling parts of cities that have been parts of cities for over 100 years "streetcar suburbs" you will never ever get the new ones you want. if you want more of these sorts of places,. why are you pretending places that aren't them, are? Boston is 40 square miles, including all those areas, it's very small.

[@danilofernandes7959]

I would love a video about Australian suburbs. I have being liviging in Melbourne for some months and they don´t seem to be as bad as the Americans. They still have low density in general, but we have public transportation and shops and amenities usually are close.

[@ryannatividad3137]

I’ve never been to Australia, but from what I have seen, newer suburbs in Australia seem to be a hybrid of the slightly more functional/organized Canadian suburban planning, with the density closer to typical (non coastal) suburban areas like the Midwest

[@juliagardner9750]

Australia is very similar to America.There are many out lying new cookie cutter suburbs with very poor public transport facilities,shops etc.I understand there is a new suburb near Sydney who have mandated a minimum size block of land,must plant a small native tree,only light colour roofs( no black roofs!) & water tanks.🌴🌲

[@JesusManera]

I agree. While there are some bad US style suburbs on the outskirts (Tarneit, Truganina, etc) the majority of Melbourne's "middle suburbs" are pretty well connected to public transport, nearly all have a train station (or two) in the middle of a walkable shopping strip, and zoning seems to be pretty mixed use with cafes, milk bars (now usually converted to cafes) and fish & shops common on the corners of residential streets.

[@mikesemianczuk]

It's the exact same for most US suburbs too. These videos are not particularly accurate.

[@virginiansupremacy]

@@mikesemianczuk nah, most US suburbs are complete shit outside of the northeast and chicago.

[@AslanKyoya1776]

I hate cookie cutter suburbs and yet my job is most likely going to relocate me to Vegas or Phoenix, which means I may end up living in one. I guess there's worse places to live, I'm originally from the Mojave Desert of California so the weather won't bother me at all.

[@AmmarRaadAly]

Yo Dave!, an architecture student from Egypt here I have been watching your content for the past year by now am obsessed with your content!!!

[@Lexi0626]

As a happy european I don't know why I'm so invested in the american liminal space suburbs lately😂

[@YourCapyFrenBigly_3DPipes1999]

😂😂😂 our liminal spaces You didn't have to do us like that 😂 Edit: spelling

[@TheTurtlebot]

All these are good ideas but I think what stops a lot of this from happening is people in suburbs don't want new construction and re zoning because they're afraid their house will drop in value

[@St.JohnWort]

It would if you suggest increasing the affordable housing and access to amenities for lower income families. Think of it like gentrification, if a higher economic group moved into a lower economic area, the valuation of the homes and businesses will increase, driving out the lower income families that live there. Now, what would happen if suddenly cities started incentivizing, or even enforcing, rezoning in suburban neighborhoods (majority of residence in the middle - upper class percentile) to accommodate affordable housing, city transit, brick-and-mortar shops, and tax incentives for lower-income families to move to these areas? I can assure you that the businesses and housing market will begin to accommodate the residence that exist there and the neighborhood's value will drop. This happens all the time in urban cities as well, where townhouses and other upper-valued neighborhoods suddenly drop in value after lower-income homes and affordable apartments start to drift into their area. Gentrification goes both ways.

[@Toini01]

You americans really cannot not talk about race... Enforced diversity (revenue-wise I mean, since in Europe race is much less of a topic) is never really going to work and we've seen this in tons of cities. The example for Paris, where I lived all my life: since the 2000s the mayors have been driving for more inclusion in the city center (the 20 arrondissements) and has been trying to build social housing wherever possible. But, it can't be done everywhere equally. So the northern districts which used to be quite industrial and had a lot of potential land developments have become ghettos of 30-40% social housing where no one ever goes and where there is rampant drug use, while the more historic districts in the west & south where you cannot build anything new because it's either a landmark or a 19th century building have had prices reach new high because it led to concentration of wealth in a few pockets. Average prices in the 7th arrondissement (Eiffel Tower, Invalides, etc.) are now around €15,000 per square meter for your average second floor flat with no view. That means your 3 berdroom is usually 1.3-1.7 million euros. Forced diversity has made Paris a ghetto for both the rich on one side and the poor on the other. I hope you'll learn from our failed experiments

[@marlonmoncrieffe0728]

🙄 ...Things will probably get worse before they get better; your comment IS 'racist' and 'classist' after all. P.S. 🎞 By the way, have you ever seen one of my favorite action movies, 'District B13' (2006) from writer/producer, Luc Besson???

[@Toini01]

@@marlonmoncrieffe0728 I don't talk about race, except to say that in America everything is brought back to race. As for "classist", your comment doesn't address the fundamental flaw: ever since we've had a left wing mayor in Paris (2001), Paris has become a much more unequal city despite social housing going from around 10 to 25% of the city's total housing stock. They did some really nice things for the city such as the bike lanes, pedestrian areas, more greenery in the city, etc. But the social housing policy has been a disaster with crime rates imploding in the north/eastern districts, while housing has become unaffordable for anyone that's not upper class. Oh and the city's debt went from 2 to 6bn euros in 15 years. As usual, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. The wish to simply make the city more diverse socially has actually caused it to become either a poor ghetto with quasi no-go-zones or a super rich area where you have to earn 120k/year to afford 40m2 (with credit). You can virtue signal and repeat mistakes others already did on your behalf, or learn from them and improve.

[@marlonmoncrieffe0728]

...I was AGREEING with you, @@Toini01 ! You could not tell how SARCASTIC I was???

[@Toini01]

@@marlonmoncrieffe0728 Impossible to tell troll from truth nowadays, sorry !

[@marlonmoncrieffe0728]

All's well that ends well, @@Toini01 ! P.S. ...So 'District B13' then? Have you seen it or not?

[@duran9664]

I know many suburbs folks who feel scared walking in the city during the night. 🙄 Many of them, ironically, yet to realize that many city dwellers r also feel scared walking in suburban areas during the night. They look scary quiet & depressingly similar. 😮‍💨

[@beast9839]

I love your content and couldn't agree more about making the middle lanes a dedicated type of transit with arterial roads.

[@stevemiller7949]

In short, the burbs were built on faulty assumptions. Dunning-Krueger effect. And it is STILL going on. Hard to predict when the suburban bubble will burst, but when it does, it will be ugly.

[@Homer-OJ-Simpson]

I really do like some of these proposed policies. But NIMBY and other interests make it difficult to change.

[@Ben-jq5oo]

This mass building production was the equivalent of the multiple streets of brick terraced houses built around the 1900s, to house workers in the UK. These were all identical, in either two or three bedroom layout. No front yard; only a cobbled rectangle at the rear with an outside toilet shed and the drying line. Unsurprisingly many workers wanted to escape to the spacious green suburbs being built in America and Australia. While I wouldn’t choose suburban living I also don’t like the brick terrace streets of the UK, around the area I grew up in. They meet the density requirement, and are walkable to local services but for me they are as depressing as any suburb. To this day most of those terraced streets don’t have any trees!

[@singletona082]

Disabled man here. I'll never be able t odrive, never been able to drive. Suburbs honestly are the sort of density I prefer. Just enough there that 'hey it's not feeling middle of nowhere,' but at the same time. Those little corner stores and other locally served industries? That'd be pretty awesome to have more of. Also would give employment options for people like me so that I could theretically work AT one of those places near to home without constantly bumming rides. See, I could cook up a theoretically 'perfect' suburban layout to give a blend of profitable land use and elbow room, but I neither have an education nor can convince a place 'Hey I'm right listen to me.' Plus bulldozing and starting over is expensive and unpopular. So work with what we've got. Which around me includes a lot of places that are overgrown choked out because they arne't needed and nobody I know outside of maybe city records even knows who own these lots. Example being this overgrown brick building that used to be a bank sitting lonely in an overgrown lot across the street from a dolalr general that's just off the highway. I want to figure out who owns these old places and put them to work. I just don't know if there's any feasability to it.

[@josephfisher426]

Those kinds of places can sit around for years as a tax writeoff. The somewhat contradictory thing is that zoning is blamed for how uses are separated---but aggressive zoning is the only realistic way of getting a property like that to be re-used in a timely manner. It will only be in sufficient demand if less centrally located commercial area is downzoned. Also you need a growing population for changes to take real effect, and many urban areas don't have that. Realistically there's about 20% redundant commercial space even in the suburbs.

[@mohammedsarker5756]

@@josephfisher426 that and land value tax!

[@josephfisher426]

@@mohammedsarker5756 Yes, that should help with stuff that is straight up vacant. Commercial zoning usually has a pretty high assessment, though... a while ago I looked up an end-of-life-cycle strip mall with a fourth-rate grocery chain in a city neighborhood that is just barely not terrible enough to have a lot of vacants... it was still assessed for eight figures!

[@rsb__]

I live in Brighton which is on the outskirts of Boston. Since 2011 I've been there and it's been a mixed use neighborhood with a lot of stuff walking distance but also close to highways with parking. It's been the best balance of commuteability and livability and it's sad to think what was common sense 100 years ago when they built the neighborhood isn't anymore

[@mrahzzz]

People in my city are currently fighting against zoning reform 😭😭There's a bunch of fear mongering about "high rises next to single family homes" 😭

[@dubjubs]

Because it'll probably happen? There needs to be a limit on what can/can't be built and have the towns people have a say in it.

[@mrahzzz]

@@dubjubs Not really, no. It is fear mongering. Zoning reform doesn't necessarily allow for people's worst case scenarios. But unfortunately, many of us are not experienced with zoning ordinances and can't see the nuances involved :/

[@williamjameslehy1341]

​@@dubjubs no.

[@ninjanerdstudent6937]

Condos are also cookie cutter. Every unit in the building is the same. At least houses can be painted a different color.

[@logans3365]

So can apartments and condos, it’s only that American laws don’t allow for it, and capitalism focuses on profiting not beauty or function. Our cities are not designed well at the moment, but suburbs are not the answer as the infrastructure cost are higher then the taxes they generate, if suburb owners exclusively paid for their infrastructure most probably would not be able to afford to live there.

[@AnthemTD]

I’m questioning what part of levittown and bristol township you were in, because I live in bristol township and I have grocery stores, drug stores, ice cream shops, convenience stores, a hobby shop, etc., all within a 10 minute walk from my house. It’s one of the reasons we moved here. You’re saying this isn’t the case in bristol township, but this is the case for me.

[@djtomoy]

No leave them along, mine is fine

[@KJSvitko]

Cities need to do more to encourage people to ride bicycles. Safe protected bike lanes and trails are needed so adults and children can ride safely. Speak up for bicycles in your community. Bicycles make life and cities better. Ask your local transportation planner and elected officials to support more protected bike lanes and trails. Children should be riding a bicycle to school and not be driven in a minivan.

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

Step 1 or 2 is making sure there are places you can go to with a bicycle.

[@theonlyalecazam2947]

it’s true but even with protected bike lanes if the distance to bike is too large it just isn’t feasible. Density and mixed use zoning should be the number one priority. There are places with very little bike infrastructure that still have a lot of ppl biking because of this. I would say bike infrastructure is the end goal not the starting goal

[@faustinpippin9208]

remove the stupid regulations that handicap e-bikes then everyone will drive one, now riding bikes is dangerous because cars have to overtake you. If the gov lets the e-bike drive at car speeds then it will be way more safe and you wont need bike paths

[@deltaalpha]

People don’t like to ride bicycles when the weather isn’t great. Because of that, it’s not a reliable solution you can count on in many cities.

[@talkcommonsense]

The speaker sounds biased... some people like cities and others like suburbs...

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

Do you like being forced to drive a car and get stuck in traffic twice a day? or would you rather take a nice stroll down the street to the tram stop?

[@talkcommonsense]

@@thewhitefalcon8539 Then you can move to the city... no one is forcing you to do anything... but you are trying to force people out of the suburbs... to each his own...

[@SofaMuncher]

The mass produced building technique is quite genius and could have a lot of application I think. Unfortunately used in the worst method possible. This method could have a lot of value if used on better density buildings like condos and townhouses, and if it was a lot more compartmentilized, with different formats of buildings dispersed in smaller groups over a larger area, to give some depth and variety to neighbourhoods.

[@SharienGaming]

the problem with those assembly line houses is that they are genuinely crap - bad insulation, low stability and not even a cellar! the only thing they are is cheap to produce... otherwise they are barely better than a camping van

[@MarioFanGamer659]

@@chemicalfrankie1030 A townhouse aka terraced or row house. It's just a normal house squished between two other houses, it doesn't need any elevators unless you seriously believe a detached house also needs one, lol.

[@dubjubs]

​@@chemicalfrankie1030Utah would beg to differ lol we have Townhomes and Condos for days but that's because 68% of the land is owned by the Federal Government that won't let us build in lots of areas

[@UPalooza]

The suburbs are intentionally boring. Parents want heir kids to focus on lessons, not anything that's actually stimulating.

[@Lololol45]

There’s a Levittown (actual name till this day) in Puerto Rico (yes, created by the same fella in the 60’s, divided into 8 sections). Surprisingly, in general, it’s a working folk town (lower mid-middle class by PR standards). It’s also walking distance to the beach! Another plus, all the homes are done in concrete from floor to roof!

[@waffenanime]

Low population density is not a problem, it is an advantage. As someone who has lived all his life in apartment buildings and individual houses on a small area of ​​the plot, I affirm this. The focus on the car will remain everywhere, even in a very dense and ideal European city. When it gets cold/hot/windy/rainy/snowy any public transport sucks. In any ideal city, there will always be traffic jams here or there, in any case it is more pleasant to spend idle time in a car than in a bus or tram. I have personally experienced this for 35 years in a row. Segregation has never been a bad thing. NEVER. I lived for 25 years in a dense European neighborhood where 1-2 people with anti-social behavior could regularly ruin the lives of 1000 neighbors at the same time. Due to population density, the privileged minorities in the modern world can terrorize others. In low-density segregated areas, this is much more difficult. After 26 years in a "European paradise", I live in an area that looks like an American one. These are two different worlds. The author is young, stupid and does not understand what he is talking about.

[@dubjubs]

I actually think this guy is one of those "I hate California" then turns whatever into it

[@JackSnyder-t3d]

dense european cities aren't car dependent. neither is NY. and no, if you can't handle walking in the rain for 5 mins before you get on the train, you're the problem.

[@waffenanime]

@@JackSnyder-t3d when you are young, absolutely healthy, lonely and unemployed - it's not a problem to run in the rain or in the frosty wind

[@orbidyt7863]

"Segregation has never been a bad thing." Just because it isnt bad for you doesn't mean it isnt bad. Read any book about segregation and you can very easily find that it is very bad

[@gabew7480]

Add density? The reason people like living in the suburbs is because they have their privacy and space

[@danielkelly2210]

It has more to do with price.

[@ceooflonelinessinc.267]

I, as an european, can for sure tell, the american suburbs are beautiful compared to europeans ones. If I could, I would anytime live in the US.

[@JohnnyNada]

Segregation was a good idea

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

The Levittown seems absolutely amazing for its time. It's a shame it didn't age well. We could use the same mentality but for mixed-use areas. Build the same apartment-over-commercial building with different sized apartments over and over if you have to.

[@jasonriddell]

IMHO I disagree IT DID age WELL and that is THE ISSUE we took the "good parts" (low density) and codified it as the ONLY way while discarding the other parts (assembly line house manufacturing PUSHING affordability to NEW levels) I get "excited" at these "factory " pre fab houses that pop up here and there and personally don't MIND when NEW they are the same repeated as LONG there is NO "HOA" getting involved and preventing "evolution" from happening

[@kaicandoit]

I would say there is a much stronger contender for an amazing idea of its time that didn't age well, and that was public housing in america. The sad reality to public housing is that the government allowed them to fail, as opposed to terrible suburban sprawl system that was doomed from the beginning (which is artificially maintained today). Public housing would have been a great opportunity to solve a housing crisis, that because the government failures of the 20th century, are no longer a consideration. These projects, if maintained properly, could have resolved todays issues a long time ago, and if the intentions behind it were not inherently embedded on racist urban renewal policies. Soviet housing surprisingly succeeded doing the same thing, even if their current state is not fantastic.

[@ramencurry6672]

Coincidentally , I know a lady from Levittown who doesn’t drive and she doesn’t like it and had to move to Philadelphia. I also know another guy from the area and doesn’t like it that much. In my opinion, it’s one of the better suburbs but the criticisms are also valid.

[@JonathanGray0124]

This is why I love New Orleans! Every neighborhood (except for some areas) is super walkable with corner stores, grocery stores, and restaurants! But even still we love to drive for work and fun 😂

[@jarretgosbee7717]

I'd love to add an adu to my property. We're on 1/2 acre lot with a large backyard and room on one side for another driveway. All the properties in my suburb have restrictive covenants, however, which doesn't allow anything fun. I'm not sure how my municipality enforces that, but I would love to review it. There are upcoming zoning changes which changes are single dwelling zone to ru3. It's a nice change, but won't change anything because of the restrictive covenants

[@1nnu3ndo]

I’m confused. How is low density a problem? What is the more desirable alternative? Tiny 2m deep back yards? No front yards? Living within a 30m circle of 8 other residential units including noise and privacy issues? Living next to an industrial unit? Less green space? I’m at a loss at how the very few benefits and examples you give outweigh the huge downsides.

[@kaitlyn__L]

That “missing middle” graphic actually blew my mind. Most “single family houses” in the UK are “semi-detached”, which in that graphic is called a “side by side duplex”. And a lot are “terraced”, which… I guess is “row houses” over there? No one over here living in those houses would answer no if they were asked “do you live in a single family house?”! Which made me realise the key factor in the USA is whether you own every brick (or… I guess plank?) in the entire structure. Though funnily enough we consider the “2 level duplex” to be flats (apartments/condos). Or often say “a house converted into flats”. So I suppose what really matters to us here is whether you have your own front door and garden, even if it’s squeezed-in next to others’ with some shared walls, or whether you have to share a front door and a garden. It’s also kind of funny to me you just brushed away the parking availability thing. As over here most of the suburbs ARE impossible to park in, even with permitting systems, and plenty of them have no buses whatsoever. (“I don’t want them waking me up in the morning!”; maybe a valid concern about diesel buses but not modern electric ones. Then they complain about all the parked cars!) What’s also funny is they’re still considered part of low density suburbia here even when they’re fully terraced. To think that’s what those dedicated American suburb-defenders are railing against when they decry density… like, it’s not that dense. It’s just not big luxury. Even luxurious high-end suburbs over here have a mix of detached and semi-detached, rather than 100% detached.

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

I don't understand the appeal of semi-detached houses .How hard is it to build another wall in the middle and make them fully separate?

[@kaitlyn__L]

@@thewhitefalcon8539 The dry answer is it costs more in labour AND more importantly in land. The space you’d fit 2 detached houses in could fit 3 semi-detached ones. Also you go from 8 outside walls’ area down to 7(.. or 6?), so it’s a bit of savings on raw materials too, plus marginally simplified plumbing and electrical. This is all reflected in full-detached usually being, last I looked, 20-50% pricier than semi-detached in the same development. Then market demand does the work. There’s definitely no widespread romantic attraction, it’s just a more accessible option for Owning Your Own House. Though I know a few people actually prefer it because it feels less lonely or whatever. (And sometimes there’s a wider goal like converting a big barn into a house, where it’d be an outright mansion as just one house and one unit is still absolutely huge and sound-isolated even when built semi-detached.) So I can understand why, when the land was cheap and the roads weren’t so long, they made use of the extra space over there and just defaulted to detached. But keeping it as a forced policy choice, expanding further outward so every new development is an ever bigger drain on the finances of the region, is bonkers to me. Especially when house prices are a known issue!

[@mohammedsarker5756]

@@kaitlyn__L exactly! Back in 1950 when the American population was about 150 million maybe being a nation of semi-detached homes was fine (so long as you look past racial segregation urban sprawl and pollution but I digress) but it is wholly unfeasible with a nation of 300 million, as seen by our housing shortage

[@kaitlyn__L]

@@mohammedsarker5756 yeah like. I think the larger goal was at best misguided, to just hope we’ll always be able to build enough individual houses all diffusely, but given the goal at hand I can see how it happened. It’s been the refusing to change after, yk, even 20-30 years of evidence about how it played out which has more moral culpability. Let alone 80-odd years to course correct! Though it’s gotta be said, Levitt himself designed his “template suburb” specifically to try and avoid the possibility of a revolution. Not just in having to drive someplace to social areas, and therefore maintain the car, but also the entire system of HOAs enforcing mown lawns and paintwork. He literally said (paraphrased) that if a man owns his own house he will be too busy maintaining and paying for it to have time to revolt. And I’m sure other high-up people involved with pushing it as a national solution for housing liked that aspect too. So my first two paragraphs are more about the public-at-large’s goals and desires, which of course are not entirely separate from that wider context but are largely driven by more simple goals like housing security.

[@234fddesa]

@@thewhitefalcon8539 they other guy didn't bring this up, but there's also the problem of heating multiple individual units, compared to heating a quadplex. That increase in surface area is a marginal increase in privacy or "aesthetics", but it's a pretty big increase in the total amount of heating you'd need.

[@nicholasphelps3872]

I don't understand why making cities "diverse" is a plus or minus. To think it's a plus, one must not like whites. I think allowing people to move to them is good but ethnic diversity as a enforced gain sounds kinda racist.

[@logans3365]

Why does being diverse automatically translate into being racist to white people?

[@asinine4636]

@@logans3365 Because a place is only called "not-diverse" when it is majorly White, libcels wouldn't dare criticize a black majority area.

[@SERGEYTIMOFEYOVICH]

@@logans3365Because forcing other races in because the dominant race is one you don’t like is racist.

[@liguy181]

As someone who grew up in a Levitt house in New York, it's always so weird seeing people online talk about my hometown

[@Sendu7]

Assuming driverless taxi services arrive in the next 5 - 10 years, as they are in Phoenix, Arizona, this could offer more options for density living and perhaps reclaim excess carpark pavement for other uses.

[@lv7603]

It is my impression that people now leave the city intentionally they don’t want they mix use because they want the separation.

[@maplifiers]

I always hear this "density is a problem" and it's simple to fix, just make multi family dwellings... If people wanted to live in a 4plex, they would. Single family homes exist because that's what people want. I would never even consider living in a duplex, much less a 4 plex. I don't want to hear my neighbors and they don't want to hear me.

[@danielkelly2210]

It's also the case that is what was built due to R1-type zoning. Hardly solely the "free market" in action.

[@RextheRebel]

@@danielkelly2210 who cares about the free market? Housing should have everything to do with providing shelter and community, not whether property values are increasing on the market.

[@kibby8823]

I wouldn’t mind living in the good old suburbs, especially the ones with one floor homes

[@pm.meowth4850]

single story - rambler is the word/phrase you’re looking for! makes google searches easier!

[@timsmith5133]

I grew up in cities. If you needed something, you popped downstairs to the retail on the ground floor of your building snd popped back upstairs to your condo. Very few peopje owned cars. Where would you put one? Besides the bus or taxi on the corner took me to work. It was a financial shock to move to a suburb and to realize how expensive a car is. - Gen Z

[@hylobateslar4151]

So many suburbans seething in the comments. Many have such an irrational fear of cities, and fear stepping out of their open air prisons.

[@joez.2794]

Look, we don't care if you flee your cities for the suburbs... we welcome you with open arms! Except when you try "fix" them in the same ways that made your cities uninhabitable.

[@hylobateslar4151]

@@joez.2794 Cities definitely have their fair share of problems, but they aren't uninhabitable. You should expose yourself to more viewpoints, and actually try visiting one. I visit the burbs often, as some of my pals live there. Media is glad to paint cities as wastelands of crime and drugs, but they just want your attention and ad revenue.

[@joez.2794]

@@hylobateslar4151 If you actually think most people have never stepped foot in the city their suburbs surround, I'm afraid it is you who have succumbed to false media narratives.

[@sondergaard913]

"open air prisons" lol. Such a horrible way to live to have privacy, sunlight, air (polluted, sure, but cities are WAY worse) and space.

[@dannielz6]

Don't accuse us of being irrational if you're going to end your statement with a logical fallacy. Maybe you have an irrational dislike of good suburbs?

[@roxycauldwell544]

I HATE living in the burbs. If you were born in the last 25 years you pretty much pop out poor, because you have to drive an hour or more just to make a living wage. At least in the city you have a close shot at a higher wage job in walking distance and you can move more affordable after a few years. In the suburbs it's all retired people with money skewing the housing market and there are no jobs for young people to eventually buy them. It's a trap.

[@dubjubs]

Except those people are also part of why it's expensive. All the California people buying up all the houses and even overpaying just to get out of California because they hate it. Pros and cons for everything

[@j.n.-fr5uh]

the idea of living in US suburbs is genuinely terrifying to me bc they dont look like houses that have been built by people, they look like office cubicles. dead and cold, idk

[@joez.2794]

You know what happened to the vast majority of the open offices, right? They scrapped them and put in cubicles. People like cubicles. They just don't like admitting it.

[@j.n.-fr5uh]

​@@joez.2794 idk what statistic youre referncing but i hate offices in general and yeah i understand that open offices are even worse with all the noise and whatnot. so i guess i would prefer cubicles over open offices but offices are already a problem in my life. but anyway idk what point you wanna make bc ppl dont live in offices or cubicles right

[@dannielz6]

Every modern country has suburbs lol. Here in California there are many beautiful ones.

[@j.n.-fr5uh]

​@@dannielz6 true but the US has pioneered an especially bad style of suburbs, which is why i specified. But yes i am also scared of seeing these terrible neighbourhoods grow in my own country, though we never really made them boom in the same way. Our equivalent of US Suburbs is Duplex-Rowhouses with longass backyards and 0 insulation lol

[@dannielz6]

​​@@j.n.-fr5uhut its not bad to the people that live there. They probably prefer the space and the lower cost of home ownership. They could live in a condo or townhomes closer to the city but they chose there for a reason. And the US a huge country with a lot of different styles. As I've said in CA where I live these types of isolating suburbs are the exception, not the norm. How naive would I sound if I saw a bad urban design in Serbia and then said wow Europe has poor urban design???

[@Alex-cw3rz]

I just went to the yorkshire coast and I feel like that this the opposite of boring with Robin Hoods Bay, Runswick Bay etc. I know these places were not planned, but there was something great about them. The prices for these tiny cottages was more than for a house in the sorrounding suburbs as well, showing their desirability. Maybe something that flows more natural is designed around the people who will live there than the architects, this kind of irregular tight nit high density living. Would solve a lot of problems with sustainability and is considered very attractive.

[@JohnFromAccounting]

Those are holiday homes for the wealthy now.

[@Gszarco94]

I honestly couldn't live in a place where i have to drive for 20 minutes to get my daily Pokemon booster pack, it's madness!

[@Zerosen89]

I prefer suburb life, cities are not fun and diverse, they are old, broken down, smell like piss and and dangerous, and your crammed into 1 bedroom apartments for $1500 a month with paper think walls, and you will probaly get mugged as soon as you go outside.

[@jimmyryan5880]

HOAs most definitely can and will fine people for trees growing.

[@ceooflonelinessinc.267]

Your suburbs are SO BEAUTIFUL 😍 compared to mine in Europe 😑Its tiny, overprized and surrounded by commercial use. If I want to go outside the town, I need to take three trains and two busses because having a car here it to expensive 😑 Please never change your Suburbs!

[@alexismiller288]

You don’t know how good you have it. Owning a car is a huge hassle and I’d love nothing more than to get rid of mine and bike everywhere.

[@ceooflonelinessinc.267]

@@alexismiller288 I cant go "biking". Our suburbs are mixed with commercial use.

[@harrymaciolek9629]

Cars also contribute to mobility and freedom. You planner types need to move to Amsterdam where you can be happy.

[@MrMywishlist]

I’m finally understanding the message behind the SpongeBob episode SquidVille.😂😅

[@obolisk0430]

If you want to live in a European city, go move to one. I like living in a low density neighborhood

[@alifloydtv]

Lawdy, this is my idea of hell 😅Interestingly, I my home is in a set of 1850s 'model dwellings' in the centre of Edinburgh. Back then, these 50-or-so homes around the wee square were all built different sizes and layouts, for different rental price points, to encourage diversity of residents. Amazing how some dour Scottish ministers were 100 years ahead of the Levitts (at least on economic diversity - can't confirm or deny racism!)

[@nathang4682]

Are there any good examples of fixes that have been done to a wide suburb neighborhood roads with no existing sidewalks to slow traffic and make for safe bike and pedestrian use? I know lots of hypothetical fixes but would like to reasearch some that have actually happened

[@barryrobbins7694]

Not Just Bikes has a lot of content showing how to address these issues.

[@bosslca9630]

The best fix I've seen is the 'Loop' concepts. Atlanta has the Beltline and my suburb, Alpharetta, is creating Alpha Loop. The idea is that by actively creating more bike and pedestrian crossing points, replacing some intersections with Round-abouts, and having a park-like path that cuts BETWEEN different residential blocks, you give alternat paths for homeowners to walk/bike between neighborhoods and local comercial centers. the 'Loop' part of the project is that it creates a carless 'ring' around a city/town center, which forces ALL cars going to the city center to slow down or choose to divert around the city center as it's more convinient otherwise. Problem with the design is it usually forces the creation of parking decks at these commercial centers to conserve land and creates expensive rent for said businesses. I don't know how these Loops interact with the HOA's though.

[@nathang4682]

@@bosslca9630 that sounds interesting I'll check it out, thanks. I live in a much lower population area but I'm sure some things will apply