Civ 6 Governor Guide, How to Abuse Magnus with Production Overflow

[@fisher3354]

The overflow amount is displayed in the top right as production on the ancient walls before you change the production queue to Apadana. Also a nifty strategy is to pick up Goddess of the Harvest and when paired with Magnus your faith numbers skyrocket. If you can find yourself in a golden age you can select workers and settlers purchasable with faith to baloon your empire very quickly

[@Mistshock]

"She also has a really really really nice set of.... abilities" "She's probably one of the most flexible....ly powerful" "There's a lot of situations where Liang can provide you with... value" ಠ_ಠ

[@migatocomeoscuridad]

liang is situational, but she can be very strong in some situations

[@migatocomeoscuridad]

@LycanVonWolf I believe mistshock is quoting the video because he says liang is strong, but obviously disagrees with it. I said she is situational and not to be underestimated. I dont see the wooosh Lycan

[@admiralampere5513]

@LycanVonWolf probably keep that kiddy shit on Reddit and you won't embarrass yourself like this again

[@DavidMortonian]

@@admiralampere5513 I feel like it went over your head as well^^

[@locococo8961]

for those who don't understand, it's a sex joke

[@skudzer1985]

Look at that smug look on his face. Magnus knows he's awesome.

[@thesabreferret]

Heheh, that was putting me off using him before. Smug capitalist pig! I'm putting him to good use now though...

[@mikestarface8571]

And with a powerful name like Magnus? Obviously op

[@VelcroKittie]

@@mikestarface8571 lol - Magnus looks the part. He gets 50% yields now since this video was made so they obviously curbed his stats due to them being a little over powered. Still a great choice

[@magnusolsson8000]

Thanks, man.

[@samirflima]

Unfortunately the Civ 6 Spring Update just lowered this from 100% to 50%.

[@CorbinN6]

Still powerful as hell 50% still nets you 300 production from 20 in OPs example.

[@mrbonanza3107]

Play old version!

[@CriticalPosthumanism]

@@mrbonanza3107 Yeah or just cheat am I right?

[@greengreen110]

yes but that's still a lot

[@Benjmensch]

balance is a good thing. the nerf is not unfortunate

[@EmeraldEyesEsoteric]

"Black Marketeer" sounds like Magnus has some Mafia / Yakuza connections. He's clearly made the players an offer we can't refuse.

[@jamesheaney5150]

Good video. I disagree on a couple small points. I move Magnus around in the early game, but I eventually settle him in a production city to get benefit from the hammer-increasing skills. Amani is a huge weapon in the loyalty game. Combined with Bread & Circuses, she can flip large cities. I've taken nearby enemies out of the game with her loyalty skills. Liang is a good mobile governor to get fisheries. She turns mediocre water tiles into usable tiles, especially next to sea resources.

[@balfizan]

I recently used his chop overflow mechanic well into the late game when building support units, walls and ships. Getting that early boost is a huge help even when its not as drastic as is shown here. Also on the rare occasion I feel the need to clear a permanent resource like wheat or rice to place a wonder later in the game he comes in really handy. And I think he doesn;t like Amani because he doesn't do military victories, he thinks its more difficult to get the other victory types on diety. And I fully agree with him that outside of a couple of niche applications fisheries are a waste of builder charges.

[@jamesheaney5150]

I'm torn on fisheries. I like them... most of the time. It's a lot of management and timing to get her to a city just when a builder charge is in the same area. maybe it's a bit too much management for the benefit. I usually create fisheries for the obvious tiles (2+ sea resources). Liang doesn't create a "Sea Petra", but she does improve coastal tiles a lot. Overall, I still think that the fisheries promotion is worth getting. I have to overcome my aversion to chopping resources. It's probably holding my game back. I think I plant Magnus because I'm hesitant to chop Wheat/Copper, etc. Potato's vids have been a bit of a shake up for my play style. They're very different from my usual games. I like a bit of warfare, especially in the mid/late game. It breaks up the "nextturnnextturnnextturn" monotony of cultural victories. It doesn't hurt that I can take Pericles/Peter/Catherine out of the running :)

[@matt-stam]

But wouldn't you want the 20% science/culture + 2x GPP dude sitting in your biggest city?

[@jamesheaney5150]

My science and production cities aren't always in the same place. Pingala might wind up in a city with a great campus adjacency bonus. Magnus usually ends up in the city that can reach the most strategic resources. The capital is given to you by the New Game RNG. After that, you can pick city locations for specific needs like production or science. It's weird, but my production cities are usually much smaller than my science/culture cities. They're more specialized, and don't need a lot of population. For example, I'm addicted to the Venetian Arsenal. I know it's bad for me, but I can't stop. I usually pick one city location solely to get this wonder. Whatever other benefit it gives throughout the game is just gravy...

[@Tulkas219]

n panth - Yeah, Liang's fisheries ability is one of my favourites, especially if you become suzerain of Auckland and get the coastal production bonus. That combination enables you, over time, to create a "Sea Petra" in every one of your coastal cities.

[@SeaCow1g]

You’re underestimating Amani. Her last ability to double envoys is useful if there’s a really strong city state like Auckland or Carthage or Valleta or Zanzibar or something on the map. You can use spies to fabricate scandals to cut the envoys of the top civ in half and then use her to double all of yours. I’ve taken and held high demand city states from competitors that hand like 30 envoys invested with as little as 8 envoys invested from myself. Much stronger than you think.

[@nicolaslillo1665]

Carthage ?

[@larrythebomb5001]

so shes useless if you play with city states off lol got it still debating whether to get this DLC or not yet.

[@cherub3624]

Playing with city states off is for mouth breathers.

[@TheGlssr60]

@@Rain_Beau Not any more. Your info is more than a little out of date. The suzerain bonus got nerfed to 20% gold reduction for unit purchases for every encampment district building in the city. For the reason you mentioned I used to try very hard to get Carthage every game. Not any more.

[@Cecilia-ky3uw]

amani is actually very weak early on although envoys are powerful, in every military city state is useful(because of the bonus towards building units which apply to settlers in the capital) later on in the game your buildings can become powerhouses if you have envoys in city states honestly city states are absurd

[@pohlse]

I hope you post more videos like this, outlining your strategies and thought processes. I adopted your Magnus strategy here and the city placement strategy from your previous videos and I had the most amazing science victory. I was playing as Korea and gained a science win in turn 240. Thank you for posting these, and please keep on posting!

[@adityah82]

I just started playing CIV 6. Bought in on Steam sale. Was getting screwed up with production and reached 1973 AD in turn some 400 + and still no victory in sight. This was the first game. Came across your channel and understood the basics. Yesterday was playing Wilhelma and in my capital Amsterdam got a 136 production in Industrial age. This was using Aqueduct, Dam, Main building and Magnus as Governor around the Industrial zone. Plus used the military card of 100% Industrial adjacency bonus. Was out of districts to build in 10 turns. Thanks for your videos. Really enjoyed them.

[@aiartsev]

I think the last +15% to Wonders does not apply 'cause the initial overflow was generated when you were building the wall and not the wonder. It probably affected the per turn hammers and that's why you had 3 more hammers than your initial calculation.

[@briankrebs7534]

I believe you could pay to change your policies or click to change policies if it's the right turn, after chopping but before selecting the target for production overflow. Does that sound right?

[@BuzWeaver]

Awesome and impressive outline. I've only played one entire game and I'm currently on another game since release. I'm certainly going to concentrate on Magnus first for sure.

[@macbelfast5891]

BuzWeaver “.

[@brajon70]

I think you should keep on making these Civ 6 how to guides. You are very informative and your tips helped me to not only enjoy my latest playthrough as Germany (who have MONOLITHIC production bonuses!) but also enjoy tremendous success playing them.

[@danjal87nl]

Thank you for acknowledging that war is the "easier" path. I've always felt that military victories are less interesting because it's pretty easy to beat the AI over with a big stick and then leisurely work your way to any victory you may want. To me, that's the single biggest downside to Civ VI, as the AI is incredibly warmongery. Which is ironic since they'll almost guaranteed call the player a warmonger for defending themselves. The only benefit I've seen with this is that they've become even more triggerhappy when it comes to attacking City States in R&F meaning you can liberate those to negate your warmonger penalties. It's far more interesting to try and beat the AI in other areas without using the military brute force approach to cripple all competition.

[@koops6474]

Reyna along with the card that doubles your harbour adjaceny bonus and shipyard can grant a lot of production per turn if you place the harbour correctly.

[@samuelcaie6289]

Reyna with 2 promotions with a commercial hub, city, and harbor adjacent to each other, on a river, plus 2 fish, plus policy cards for harbor and commercial hub adjacencies, plus golden age for science from gold districts, plus a shipyard, equals 30 gold, 30 science, 15 production for free. Combine a 3rd promotion with a population 10 city, and that's 50 gold total. Combine an extra district like a governer plaza, and an extra fish, you can reach 59 gold, 39 science, 17 production for free. That's 115 resources not including what your citizens are working!

[@kaelis69]

If your seeing this for the first time like I am he's been nerfed down to 50%.

[@CompoundInterest-SG]

Victor is also good for sending to a city that is about to rebel, because he only takes 3 turns to deploy. Also, Amani's final promotion is really good for securing a crucial suzerain.

[@Flor-um1zu]

S G The gouvernor gives pressure automatically no need to wait the set number of turns

[@DerEddi]

damn! this video really taught me A LOT! I totally underestimated Magnus! never really used him! DAMN! Thank you PotatoMcWhiskey

[@Obeezyyyy]

Thise videos is a life saver, recently got RaF and had no idea what to do with the governors at all

[@DrZaius3141]

Amani's "Prestige" upgrade can be really helpful to give you a few more turns when you're conquering another continent. When I go domination victory, I tend to have 4-5 governors just to make sure that I only have to take cities once. Even so, if you're going up against an enemy in a golden age, it might not be enough - Amani gives 2 loyalty extra, which at the very least buys you enough time to capture more cities to help your loyalty balance.

[@ballpasteshlepp]

The best thing about victor is that you can transfer him to a rebellious newly conquered city in 3 turns. That quick loyalty boost can save your foothold city; especially when invading a civilization on a different continent. Even the most disloyal cities take 4 turns to rebel. Getting victor in there buys you a few more turns to turn the loyalty in your favor.

[@jaymeshh]

i would love to see more coverage on the multiplayer aspect of these things want to see how this game matches up again civ 5 in multiplayer in the future

[@ow_kuma1763]

Really great video, I think Goddess of the harvest deserved a mention but otherwise super informative and helpful.

[@tomriddle2959]

as a civ newb: thank you for this video. i took a lot from it. i would like to see more videos like this from you (strategy talk, explaining aspects of the game). but from what i experienced you undervalue Amani a lot. she is a strong buff in the loyalty game for me.

[@mattkempe3991]

Some good points I had not thought of here. I would like to see what PMcW thinks with the change of governors with Gathering Storm.

[@Tg-kh8po]

I like victor whenever I take a city state and the other Civs declare a city state emergency, also he’s nice for establishing loyalty in a domination victory with his 3 turn set up

[@pairot01]

The Corvee may have only applied to the 10.5 production per turn you are generating. You calculated 274.5 overflow but got 277, 10.5*0.15=1.575, that would be the missing production

[@mitiamed]

Nice video, the other multipliers didnt kick in because you chopped while not making a wonder but producing walls, so the +15% to wonders added to your 10.5 production per turn., hence the 277 and not 274.5. I still dont know if it stacks up with things like bonuses from government regimes like Communism, but by that time I usually will have chopped everything there is to chop in my wondermaker cities

[@jisookim6904]

Dmitry Medvedenko It might be the population growth from 4 to 5 population that gives the extra 2.5 production.

[@jaredlittle21]

Yes, if you look the second time he clicked the city actually had more production (12 instead of 10.5).

[@theclimbto1]

Vertical Integration seems OP, if you have a 'Hub City' that you designed to be surrounded by other Cities that will dedicate Industry Zones to be in reach of the Hub.

[@Emblematicify]

It was a strategy in vanilla with Germany, and they would stack throughout all cities. It was ridiculous.

[@johnjosmith42]

4:30 seconds in and i've got my head in my hands laughing and saying to myself: 'how am i only just finding out about this!?' that's genius. thanks spuddy, good man.

[@locococo8961]

it was nerfed a bit, sorry my guy

[@pmacuk67]

Great informative Vid ! But yes I think Magnus will be getting the chop ! Well, nerf I mean...

[@hodarov1564]

Yea

[@kevinjones4001]

This is all very illuminating. You are definitely min-maxing this. I generally pick governors that have synergy with my leader’s/civ’s abilities and my victory goal. So for example, Reina and Moksha are S-tier for Mali. But you have opened my eyes about Magnus. I’m going to pick him first next game.

[@DeaddMax]

I knew Magnus is great, but I didnt know about that military policy trick. It's awesome, thanks dude.

[@joehoe222]

One thing: the doubled gp-points of Pingala multiplies with the Oracle. That way you will get insane amounts of GP's and even getting 25% off with faith buying them. It will be a steamroll, even on science!

[@lukajelicic9205]

PotatoMcWhiskey for me Liang's agriculture ability is very strong because I often have an issue with growth in my cities. Of course maybe the problem for me is because this is my first full civ game and I don't understand all mechanics and strategys yet but practice makes perfect. Great video.

[@iamspamus8784]

I like Pingala first. I place him in my capital as soon as I get a governor. I probably do Liyang next. I have undervalued Magnus, since I don't chop much til later. You can't chop a forest til Renaissance (?) or so. I will try to chopping with Magnus and chopping our of more resources in my next game.

[@sitedelivery]

your city has grew from 4 to 5 in the same turn, so the production also increased, that's why you got the wrong number, but the thinking was correct. THX A LOT for your videos!!! really nice!

[@steveincc2068]

LOL thanks, I had the opposite ideas about nearly everything. Amani (or Victor if under attack) was my first choice, Magnus was always my last.

[@moisesblanco]

Actually, Amani was really useful to gain additional cities from your opponents without having to fight them. Prestige increased my loyalty and Emissary reduced the loyalty for nearby cities of other civs.

[@Hrafnskald]

Agreed on Magnus in general: very powerful. Surplus Logistics, though, can be useful if you are chopping rainforest (gives production and food) or harvesting food resources, because it speeds your food growth in the city. This can be an excellent way to turn a low productivity 1 population city into a higher productivity 4-5 pop city, in a few turns. Beyond that, the Goddess of the Harvest pantheon becomes ridiculously overpowered with this: double food and production gain from harvests, then you get all of that added to your faith total as well. Say Hello to Early Religion, Easy 2 Apostles for 4 beliefs of your choice. On rainforests, this becomes absurdly powerful.

[@Rorschachqp]

When I play Rome, I use Magnus but use the food and settler perks. My capital grows to enormous size as I start every trade route from there. As it grows it gains extra era points per era for being the biggest city. My giant capital can build troops, wonders or start cities very easily.

[@wmmaw]

I would mark this clip as obsolete 5 years later. Good info thou - for 5 years ago! :)

[@jonathanpickles2946]

I pretty much agree. Most governors are too much faff to be arsed with but the Audience Chamber lets you grow big cities - it's like being in an old version even with blank abilities.

[@ryleywhite6857]

Just because its good doesn't mean its OP its just a strategy like scyth rush sumeria rush

[@Merguin]

Dunno about the fishery for liang, i like to build coastal cities with a lot of water tiles,and having extra food on these boosts the growth of the city, which in turn then raises your production/science/gold/culture. If you combine this with a well times musem of halikarnossos, lighthouse, and have a decent amount of see ressources, you can get a mega city in roughly 100 turns with 40 or more pop. Which just shits out units/buildings/wonders/gold/science/culture/faith. If done correctly on a few coastal cities, all of these are around 30 -40pop by turn 150 (250online game). Only downside to this is that an attacking naval force will never die, as they just plunder to 100% hp up :D

[@GamerGrampz]

Potato, I'm happy to see you're gaining more of the status you deserve. Been subbed on my other account since you were just under 1k. This was a great video and explained the concept in a straightforward manor... I'm only scared that Magnus is gonna get hit with the nerf bat now that this is becoming public knowledge 🤔 Either way, good content... keep up the great work!

[@PotatoMcWhiskey]

I'm not too worried about Magnus getting nerfed. Its not a huge deal, we will figure out new strategies.

[@GamerGrampz]

Was trying to be cute man, obviously it didn't work lol... yes the concept of a strategy game is to adapt and overcome any difficulties with the resources you have available 😀

[@GamerGrampz]

Anywho, like I said.. good video. I like the way you broke down the strategy with the visual aids too when explaining overflow of production and stuff. I've honestly never seen any civ6 stuff broke down that way and thought it was pretty innovative. Gonna have to get some toilet paper for my nose if I give any more compliments though so I'll shut up. Take care.

[@PotatoMcWhiskey]

Don't stop my ego is insatiable

[@tomw4955]

well I dont think so: maybe they will take away how the policy cards enhance it more. which I would assume is just a simple tweak to the function in when it is added in the formula. like: here is city base prod per round, that gets multplied by policy cards. and if a chop happens that will just be added directly to the building/unit being produced while any overflow is saved for next project of the city but does not receive a multiplier of policy cards. indirekt nerf but so far this mechanic seems too abusable and probably not as intended? Curious if it was.

[@mikestarface8571]

What if you had a builder with extra charges, but nothing to chop, would it make sense to plant a Forrest and then chop it again? Would that still result in a productivity proffit?

[@MegaEz2pwnU]

Great video. Two quick questions. First, if you queue an item that costs less than the overflow does it get lost? (ex. you have 100 production overflow, and queue a 60 production archer, do you lose out on the 40 production or does it go to the next item you select). Second, how do you weight chop now vs. chop later since yields rise as you continue down the tech/civic trees. Is there a general rule of thumb that you use to decided between these factors? Thanks for the video, and am looking forward to your next Let's Play!

[@matt-stam]

With the overflow, I believe that it will keep overflowing until it is used up completely. So in that case that 40 would get saved. Could be wrong though

[@pinquinsam]

some1 please test this

[@LordCallen]

That's how it works. Abused many times. It overflows until completely used

[@PotatoMcWhiskey]

You keep the overflow, it stays in the buffer. I've used this in late game settles to crack out a bunch of infrastructure.

[@MrGhosta5]

Reyna's harbormaster works with seaport production bonus and stacks with the harbor adjacency bonus policy card aswell.

[@homewolf]

Mind blown. Great video! Magnus will probably be getting a nerf soon. xD PS: Amani can be good if you are trying to get a certain Suzerain bonus. (Eg: Yerevan with Religious victory. 'Debater' is by far the strongest promotion for apostle.)

[@jisookim6904]

io2red o Or if you spawn next to Kandy as Kongo. Sometimes it is useful just for the levy if there is a city state with an army left. Today La Venta in my game had 2 knights and 5 crossbowmen which came in really handy. Flipping La Venta from fighting against me to fighting for me let me win the war and pretty much the game.

[@roman2374]

Moksha if you promote becomes insane. You can build districts with faith, means - you settle on a new continent, assign him and have a full metropolis in one turn

[@Stompinwind]

Victor and amani are very important in military pushes with the loyalty, and loyalty makes wars more difficult

[@itsjustdewieman]

Magnus looks like a super villain in any Victoria era British movie

[@LlamaCat25]

typically for Firaxis, they have an error in the wording explaining Magnus' ability: "100% yields" just means no bonus, no penalty. It should say "200% yields" - or it could say 100% increase

[@PotatoMcWhiskey]

its 100% + 100% = 200%, or 2x

[@qwer4790]

Also Magnus can build settlers without reducing 1 population. This is also really powerful with a golden age bonus that can let you buy settler with faith. The only governor that could come also is old lady with her "double tourisim" for culturual victory.

[@MPlain]

Magnus is my first choice because of the settler feature. Add this together with the government plaza having built the free builder on city build and use the builders get extra builds policy and just go totally insane pumping settlers. make sure you give Magnus the bonus food upgrade as well. New cities will produce a commercial hub or harbor first and get trade going thus allowing this internal trade route to the capital. Road to city. Plus bonus food for new town. Plus whatever you have going on to trade routes.

[@MPlain]

The second governor is the librarian and you want to make certain this governor goes into a city that is going to get ALOT of people.

[@MPlain]

And do not under estimate the value of some of the pantheon choices. That second town is damned nice. But.... if i have a lot of coast.... the work boats is a no brainer. like wise there is great value in some of the others. This is a per turn bonus to features. Depending on what exactly the turf looks like around the capital. That will decide what course is best. and yes. i frequently choose something other then the free town.

[@alanedmonds1719]

I use him as my starting City because he can boost up very quickly by chopping Woods very good for setting up an industrial zone dam 80 production then move him again once you have enough builders to lay down farms

[@adamm8124]

I think it did work with the yellow card. the base production of apadana was reduced from 400 to 349 when you selected it due to the yellow card

[@Berek71182]

SIne Rise and Fall Liang is op in early golden ages. Spend religous point into worker while Liang is your governer is pretty cool. Exspecially if you don't get the extra worker on new settling. It's gets even more edicilous with pyramids and the social policy +2 extra for workers

[@lavachebeadsman]

Amani's Emissary bonus can be very useful. I've managed to flip opposing cities with it because the AI was negligent about installing a governor.

[@riokisna]

Moksha is really good, with Golden era boost + city-state that make you can choose apostle promotion, you can get 8 charge Apostle with 3 times effective to other civ city

[@pizzadelivery3]

At 18:45 you mention there are other abusable mechanics, presumably for getting gold - what are these? Also, what's the range on chops? I think I remember it being needed last year.

[@jisookim6904]

Retrospectre any tile of your city can be chopped, when the game came out you were able to chop globally. Those were the good days. Aztec or China were able to get easy science victories on deity in under 150 turns.

[@endgame7568]

I think you may be underestimating the usefulness Magnus' Vertical Integration for a science victory. IZ stacking bonuses were ridiculously powerful in vanilla (for the patches it was present). Great scientist generation is much harder to get now, even with stockpiling money from big ben. Buying them isn't a reliable way to secure a fast victory. Nor is campus research grants as effective anymore since democracy no longer synchronizes. They're still good, but not as good. Hard building the space ship parts is likely the fastest route. Now that IZ stacking is (partly) back, it's very easy to create a production powerhouse city. Ruhr valley + globalization + about 5-7 IZ factories/power plants. It's expensive to build all those buildings. But, it may be worth it to spend the gold from big ben to buy those buildings instead. They don't buy many GS anymore anyway, and they come late with how slow the eras are. After you have those production buildings up, just run campus research grants until you win. I still have to experiment around with optimization. But 300-400 production is certainly possible.

[@DjDanee87]

Endgame Haven't done the math, but pingala has production boost toward space parts. I imagine building the parts with him would be easier. You don't have to plan out cities, Industrial zones for Magnus full promotion use that way. And pingala has better promotions in my opinion anyway.

[@PotatoMcWhiskey]

The way I play I'm often starved for district slots so I typically just get one or two Ind zones. I much prefer getting the +30% production from Pingala, as it allows me to use those district slots on theatre squares which allows me to do great work selling abuse on the AI.

[@DynaCatlovesme]

I haven't been through enough play to be sure of myself, but I've been looking at the Government Plaza as a later build to use a bit like the Forbidden Palace in Civ IV. That is, you'd want the Forbidden Palace as far from the Capital as possible to reduce corruption as much as possible. So, you'd want the Government Plaza as far from the Capital as possible to bolster loyalty as much as possible.

[@jamesheaney5150]

I use the Government plaza for the adjacency that it gives. I try to position it between 2-3 cities, with few resources/hills around it. That way, cities can build districts around it and multiple the adjacency bonus. The loyalty bonus is good, but not as important a full adjacency point for other districts.

[@DarkCrimsonBlade]

The government buildings give you a wild card for your government when you build them. Theocracy is like 5 faith per pop in cities with governors and merchant is +10% gold in cities with governors.

[@julianolima7215]

LIANG 2º skill rigth side ... the food water one.. are OP too ... you can some times get + 5 food on normal water + 3 .. +4 ... its very good for islands and high water maps.. very nice video thanks.

[@vellerephonte674]

With Magnus I finally get to build wonders on Deity. The cons is that there is no forest and stone left in mid game .

[@kirstenolson776]

I'm not a great player, but I like to combine Liang's Aquaculture ability with God of the Sea to get +1 food +1 production from coastal tiles. This is great on an archipelago map or in cities with lots of coastal tiles and not much else (like small islands, etc.).

[@MrJoeyWheeler]

I'm sorry, but did you seriously call Vertical Integration "worthless"? Vertical Integraiton is antithetical to the chopping ability, but it's also mid/lategame which is long past when Magnus needs to bounce around. And more to the point, Vertical Integration gives his city an ability that was so broken it was nerfed back in the Australian Summer.

[@samuelcaie6289]

agreed. vertical integration is actually more powerful in the right situation than the boost towards space race projects in a science victory. Having a strong capital with 6+ surrounding cities with industrial zones with power plants gets to be a whole lot of additional production for free.

[@eberlchl]

@@samuelcaie6289 I like using vertical int too because its a fun to make ridiculously overpowered production cities. But how much production did you put into getting 6+ surrounding cities up to power plants? I don't wanna do the math, but it's a crap ton.

[@eberlchl]

also one city benefits from it the rest is just utter waste

[@khajiit92]

liang is also good (especially for china which is builder focused) and kind of synergises with magnus since your builders get an extra charge. And since it's both of their first ability i think liang first then make a builder then magnus as your second governor point before you use the builder for chops might be good.

[@JosephTansley]

While I agree that in principle, with the right set-up Magnus' initial ability is great, I'm just not convinced it's that great except in that very specific set of circumstances, and would rather go with a governor that provides consistent value every turn. If anything (unless you're upgrading him and leaving him in a specific city to pump out strategic resources) he's the epitome of a situational governor (compared to say, Pingala who gives consistent value every single turn of the game). Perhaps it's just me, but I generally only harvest tiles rarely, and normally when I've finally finished using the extra resources from the tile and need the space for a wonder or specific district.

[@wambatjoe5164]

Magnus is essential for a religious victory. I always choose the pantheon that also gets 100% faith for chops. So powerful to send three apostles together and always beat CPU.

[@ryanbeck6672]

Since Magnus just got nerfed in the Spring update, does this strategy still work, and is he still the best governor to take first most of the time?

[@cursedsummoner]

At Pingala you say that some traits make you want to move him around and the others to move him around ... it's like you have to make a decision.

[@989898homo]

While I love Potato's videos, many of his advices don't work against human opponents. Literally yesterday my team was able to raise a very problematic rebellion in opponents' team city by using Amani's Emissary skill. Multiplayer is very often a completly different game:)

[@jrm78]

Does Monarchy's native +50% defensive building bonus stack with the limes-wall-chop? Because that could make Monarchy even stronger as an early mid-game government.

[@PotatoMcWhiskey]

jrm78 It did in the previous patch but monarchy no longer gives production towards walls.

[@jrm78]

Ah. I'll chalk that up to not having Rise and Fall yet - though if they fixed that in Civ 6 vanilla, they should fix the card for Monarchy. Still, I enjoy your videos and find them informative.

[@AndyWebster232]

You didn't mention Victor's ability to be placed in a city after only 3 turns. This can be very helpful when you have loyalty problems in a war. Say you have a smaller city that you've taken close to the other side's capital, to keep it from rebelling, it helps to be able to place a governor in that city faster than you otherwise would so you can get the loyalty bonus and keep that city from rebelling.

[@dark_familiarity]

Magnus was nerfed from 100% to 50%, can't say it was unreasonable nerf, this abuse was insane.

[@dpsingh6421]

Very informative video. Thank you.

[@DouglasMcLaurin]

Wow! I did undervalue him! Thanks!

[@Z200a]

Great video! One question: Can production overflow carry over if you don't spend it all on the next turn? For example, if you bought an archer instead of the wonder, would the remaining 237 carry over to the next turn?

[@wlink639]

Yes, it works for any number of turns.

[@gawdat3859]

Could you edit the description to say this no longer works?

[@Skyhawker420]

I just came across this video randomly, I'm subscribing just from your name!

[@bernardo-x5n]

In the end, Magnus got nerfed, but Liang got buffed.

[@FunLion]

Pingala is super strong combined with the Oracle. You even beat Deity AIs to a lot of early great people. If you get a religion, Moksha can also be used to maximize beliefs like the +1 science per religious follower in foreign cities. In this case I'd probably skip Reyna or get the Casa wonder.

[@DrPizka]

Pingala offers you constant golden ages with the great people buff.

[@marcosramos3607]

Great video!! Please allow me a sugestion? Sometimes you speak a little too quick, it´s harder to understand since english is not my native language. I guess some other viwers may feel the same way around the globe. Could you please explain a little about harvest ? I´m always pitty on harvesting. What do you do ? Do you grow forests again ? Thank you, please keep the great work.

[@FazeParticles]

better to raze a city then to capture ii if it's loyalty can't be changed when going the domination route.

[@gustavinus]

I have been using Magnus as my main for a few months. It is hard to go back. I really love not losing pop in the early game and he is also strong in the mid and late games. I constantly get at least 400 production in my capital in all games. Honestly, I don't even care that much for the chop bonus, even though it is great. EDIT: I just realized this is an old video and Magnus changed LOL

[@mka7331]

Great video! Thank you and keep going!

[@Razi5131]

Great video, hope we will see more of this "How to" videos. Thanks

[@EmeraldEyesEsoteric]

Devs are well aware of the "Abuse" and have mentioned it on the Maori premiere. I suspect it'll be nerfed, but who knows. These games all have some kind of trick. Imagine you're a game designer, you create a set of conditions that if one is really clever they can use to great advantage in the game. Then everyone learns it, starts doing it, and they nerf it.

[@steve9007]

nice to know about magnus but undervaluing amani for smorcing

[@aquamelon0087]

Pingala got buffed to hell since this video came out because of that +1 science per citizen in the city that got added

[@OMGFrijoles]

Does this still work in 2022?

[@drphilChemist]

Nope. Magnus was nearly completely nerf'd: You only get 50% chop bonus AND as of Gathering Storm, chop over flow was completely nerf'd. The bonus production from the specific build (defensive walls in the video) counts only to that build and disappears once you start a new build where it doesn't apply. I think it still works if you build another applicable target (like next level walls). The no decrease in population on building a Settler still works nicely and is good, but I'm not sure I'd say Magnus is the "best" gov ... depends on your victory target.

[@samuelcaie6289]

Reyna with 2 promotions with a commercial hub, city, and harbor adjacent to each other, on a river, plus 2 fish, plus policy cards for harbor and commercial hub adjacencies, plus golden age for science from gold districts, plus a shipyard, equals 30 gold, 30 science, 15 production for free. Combine a 3rd promotion with a population 10 city, and that's 50 gold total. Combine an extra district like a governer plaza, and an extra fish, you can reach 59 gold, 39 science, 17 production for free. That's 115 resources not including what your citizens are working!

[@thegoodfooddude7395]

So admittedly your way better and more knowledgeable about civ6 than I am but I use the City state Governor more to stabalize my cities that I captured and are revolting or when I settle way to close to an enemy that starts the revolt in my new city, and if you buy her negative to enemy city ability while your in the heart of a conquest with say the romans or something you can destabalize several enemy cities and then just walk through or even wait until they turn and ask to join your civilization. I had one early game where I bought her first cause I was spawned in a map right next to france and I took her first two cities while she was distracted by england on a true location earth map which made her implode in on herself and then later against spain I made three of his cities revolt so she has her uses and if you dont want to declare early surprise wars she can net you some early cities if your just a little patient, and big gains if you get a city where there is a big cluster of several cities all within the 9 tiles so a sneaky way to conquest since once the city flips to revolt you dont have to declare any wars ... I dunno my just two cents that she is at least 3rd tier and not complete trash .....

[@kaymeister634]

Time to update these video after all the changes with GS?

[@cascadia.3]

Thanks for the tips, nice video.

[@ingo.giersch]

Great video! So good, that I had to subscribe.

[@grantshearer5615]

I mean, doubling your envoys in a city state and gaining gold per envoy is pretty OP if you focus all your envoys on 1 or 2 city states

[@DustinBowen1]

Amani isn't as useless as you think. It is situational, but she is great to passively flip cities with her Prestige Perk. I've used it very effectively in several playthroughs while warmongering and while doing peaceful playthroughs.