Claiming space / Testing Boundaries

This horse is constantly pushing his boundaries and trying to claim my space. In this video I am showing you how I get that under control.
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[@JuanitaThompson-cm5tq]

The horses that are allowed to push and walk over their owners are the ones that become dangerous and end up in a kill pen . Getting his butt snapped a little with the lunge whip old school style is kinda like having a “come to Jesus meeting” with Grandad!! Love the informative videos.

[@dressagetyme]

That horse is a brat. If an inexperienced trainer worked with him the horse would be a terror. Damn, hard to fix, and you are doing a great job. Bravo!

[@the_blu_gypsy]

Do you train the handler as well, so that he doesn't revert to his bad habits??

[@sherritristan1512]

I love your way of training. So logical. I’ve watched clinicians and did see their results, mostly disrespecting the horse. Your way is simple, respectful of the horse and most important to me, you read body language. I’ve learned so much from you and now understand a horse’s little nuances. Thank you! Thoroughly enjoying your training approach and explanations.

[@littlebrookreader949]

Very good session. All very clear. It’s amazing to listen and to watch the interaction. Attitude is really something.

[@jomercer21113]

to watch those jerks on the line makes my shoulder hurt!

[@Alex-horsman]

While my the only horse becoming better and better and you get new and new problem horses, watching your videos, I see huge progress with my horse.

[@patisulambert5669]

Thanks Tim as always, I learned a lot from watching.

[@thealdrichanalysis2836]

Very helpful. My horse must be that horses twin! They look alike too. Thanks for this video. I’ve been working my horse, lunging her, she can be obstinate! I definitely picked up some pointers!

[@bettybakebake]

You have incredible courage. that horse is seriously waiting for you to drop your guard

[@user-bi6ro8rx2m]

I am glad for this video. My younger boy is just like this guy...kinda stubborn and head strong at times on the ground. He is better under saddle. Thank you for showing how you handled this guy. 😊

[@debramccarthy2182]

Head throwing, that's my boy. You sure are helping me see there is another one that does the nipping, little fits, complaining, etc. You made my day!!!❤❤😊😊

[@TheStephanie9557]

Tim looks great! Can see a big difference in his agility with these gorgeous horses. This one was a challenge! Tim's awesome sauce!😊

[@brigittegeorg]

So wish I'd known your ways years ago when I was well enough to have a horse, you So make sense.

[@ColorfullGremilling]

18:38 I don't care which direction he goes, as long as he moves. Brodie: Up we go

[@melblacke5726]

You are very consistent in maintaining your limits and expectations......I am thinking that with this horse, that will not be a permanent state of affairs. If the owner/handler lets him get away w bad behavior, that temper will resurface.

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

That is typical with any horse and any undesired behavior.

[@JennBX1]

Wow! I'm exhausted😣 He is a stubborn handful! Great video. 👍👍👍

[@lulu6618]

You are an amazing horseman and teacher. Very wise in the way of horses. This one is so volatile!

[@lindachicette8354]

Wow thnx, getting closer to what I'm dealing with, so helpful. My 2 tb gelding was doing better today, but even with banamine, wormer and bute smeared on the chain, still kept putting it in his mouth! I'll try soap next, when he gets his lead rope or chain in his mouth, there is no control

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

Sounds like he needs a job.

[@juliehmidmo]

He definitely has his opinions. What a distracted and busy boy. I look forward to seeing him transform into the horse he should be. I assume you will train his owners too??

[@piaffe25rider]

Such a cute horse!!!❤❤❤❤

[@AmandaDoll-hi4dr]

Hi Tim, you need to dit back at him you are good with him good job Mr tim 🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐮🐮🐮

[@lisaweinberger4197]

Another fantastic, easy to understand video. Thank you Tim!

[@lindsay1422]

There's a 10yr thoroughbred lesson horse at my barn who's not quite this bad but he definitely has a space and attitude problem. At least he can lunge. But he's absolutely ridiculous in the cross ties, head shaking, bites, threatens, scratches on you, leans on you, ect. He'll throw a fit if you tell him something he doesnt want while riding and go after other horses and riders. He'll try to counterbend and bolt with you. I'm an adult rider who's been working with him a couple months with your methods and we're slowly getting an understanding. But the kids that ride him are usually terrified of him and let him get away with all his bad behavior. So until the barn decides he needs to shape up, I can really only work on my own expectations for him. Very frustrating.

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

Yes that is very frustrating.

[@user-st6ij4go3d]

Another Awesome video, great instructor, thank you

[@carolynstewart8465]

Excellent explanation!

[@danamodeo7774]

Thanks best info I have seen

[@charlottebell7561]

Thanks for a much needed lesson!

[@silky2204]

I love that horse.

[@dsantos21100]

Wow you have patience! Looks like a long road ahead to change his mind. Good luck

[@MarkandSueSiemonsma]

Thanks for sharing this video with us! I liked how you modeled standing your ground with this horse. Do you think the mouthy and pushy behavior is learned or part of his natural attitude or both?. He seemed like his is trying to intimidate but was not successful! I have learned many things from your videos and one of them is the step toward. Last fall, I noticed two of my horses trying this when I saddle. Thanks for bringing that to light for me. Addressing it has made this problem go away. Still watching for it though.

[@blackdandelion5549]

Like humans, horses personalities from "the boss mare" to gentle and easy going and more towards the bottom of the pecking order is a natural part of who the horse is and some will test people more then others. Also, some behavior is learned because with certain humans and other horses this behavior gets them what they want. These tantrums make the human stop asking for something, go away because the horse may bite, not take him riding, have him worked with less, etc. and he may be just fine with that. I know people who will give these horses their grain as fast as possible and be gone so they don't feel intimidated by a large horse when that is literally rewarding bad behavior and it takes a trainer or barn manager to go everyday and have him back out of the humans space before they pour grain in and only allow him to come and eat when the human says. Some humans reward this behavior not understanding that they are or the fact they are actually training the horse to continue this behavior. I am currently dealing with a mare now who is the leader of the herd and the person feeding them would rush to give her the grain so they wouldn't feel so squeezed. Then she started eating faster so she would snarf up what she had and go start eating everyone else's grain because she was the boss mare. To fix this and give everyone more time the person feeding just started giving her more grain so it took her longer to eat and she wouldn't go steal other horse's grain. e had no idea that he was reinforcing her violating human boundaries and as the person who put ground manners on the mare a while before this all happened. . . . .when I went to get her from her paddock she was entirely in my space and would barely lead and we made circles to get where we were going. I wanted an easy straight line, but she disagreed and felt she needed to do circles over a dozen times in order to be led somewhere. I didn't want to walk the same distance over a dozen times. She was both a more dominant personality and then humans had unknowingly rewarded and/or not correctly behavior issues when they arose. I have seen it happen all of the time and people don't know that they are training the horse every second that they are around them and with everything the horse does or doesn't get away with and the humans response to it. The answer to your question is it's both and it can be varying degrees of either depending on the horse and the circumstance they are in.

[@brendaschroder2508]

thank you, well done.

[@epona9166]

Hey, congrats on 10K subscribers!!

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

Yes! Thank you!

[@melissahilbrand]

That sucker is smart. Super smart. If figured out that if he lets you put the saddle on, you won’t lunge him. Lol

[@melissahilbrand]

My guess is, someone didn’t acknowledge the brain on this guy and made him resentful to the work. With your timing being on point because you are a pro, he’s gonna come right around.

[@Gingerwalker.]

I really appreciate your comment about how it is an owners responsibility to correct bad behavior and how irresponsible it is to not deal with it. I have had friends who have bought good horses. The horse tests them a little and they let it slide. Within a month or two the horse is now dangerous. Why? Because those little things were not addressed because the owner didn't want to "hurt the horse's feelings". I had one friend go thru 3 horses before she finally started hearing what all of us were telling her. SHE was not the bad guy for setting boundaries. Setting boundaries is just a normal part of any healthy partnership.

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

So true. I tell people that you have to treat horses like they are one of your kids, not one of your grandkids.

[@yessabell1707]

❤️❤️❤️

[@myraadams520]

What a pleasure to watch you handle each horse with common sense and kindness.

[@pattirockgarden4423]

Challenging! He is disrepectful, especially when you ask for a turn the other way. I have experienced that. Gotta get over it.

[@fallbrkgrl]

Oh my...he really is quite full of himself, isn't he. Would you consider this issue one of the harder issues to overcome? Thanks Tim ❤️🌵☀️⛈️🌈☮️🐎

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

As far as young horse issues I'd say this is average.

[@tracyjohnson5023]

@@timandersonhorsetrainingkinda like many teenagers lol

[@barbarawitt9989]

Such drama from him! He's a good looking boy.

[@kathyjones6517]

Hi There, so what would you do with a horse charging at you while your lungeing him ? Thanks

[@sassy6292]

Do you tie him outside with the saddle on? Also, what is your term for that tie up? I’ve heard high line or hanging etc.

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

Sometime they are saddled when I tie them but most of the time not just because I need the saddle for someone else. I call it a high line but there are several names for it.

[@dianehookham]

That's what my horse does temper tantrum, kicking out, connected with me one day

[@MrJrFish]

Me too. My leg still hurts from where he caught me 3 weeks ago. That's the last time that will happen to me. I'm more aware careful of how I'm lunging him now, and we are establishing new boundaries. Good luck!

[@dianehookham]

​​@@MrJrFishyea I definitely need to establish boundaries. Good luck to you 🤞

[@Ash-hg8qt]

You say youll keep hold of the rope incase he turns his butt round to kick you, what you be the action with that rope if he did? Thanks

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

There is no action. Holding the ropes prevents her from doing that.

[@101kiwi]

At 12.41 where he did a kick out towards you, just wondering why you didn't get after him a bit harder for that? Or was he working hard enough to your mind? thanks

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

I felt like him kicking was in response to the work I was asking for. His kicking told me I was getting done what needed to be done, and harder work would be counterproductive.

[@101kiwi]

thank you for the explanation @@timandersonhorsetraining

[@jbohio7821]

He is a nice mover! He just has not had the proper training. He'll get there!

[@blondeenotsomuch]

So, do you think that they can get too much "love and cuddles" or that plus he was not given reinforced boundaries? I've worked with small animals more. There is work and play time. During training, he learns boundaries and jobs. Boundaries are permanent, only broken on command. We will tug of war and he will get all fierce then roll over for belly rubs. When we are just chilling or playing he gets fussed over. I know horses can do damage because of size and power, but is there ever play time?

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

I dont think there should ever be play time with a 1,200 pound animal. How they play with each other will put you in the hospital.

[@silky2204]

Watch he does not bit your butt. My OTTB does that to me.

[@IntuitiveUniversity]

But he's handsome lol

[@SephirothWaifu]

He's gorgeous *.*

[@comesahorseman]

And he's gelded? Oh, he must've been fun before that was done!

[@renethomsen2890]

he dont like the vip

[@kevinegger9646]

He's the kind that needs to go into the round pen and run him until he's wore out and submits.

[@DrBlood-cq2cm]

Anybody look critically at these so-called “problem horse” training videos? First, you’re told the horse has this problem or that problem, or the owner is afraid of the horse. But these problems are never demonstrated for the viewer. Then, all you see is the author endlessly lunge the horse….but never get on the horse! Are we supposed to lunge our daily rider for 2 hours before mounting? Few people have that kind of time. I believe many viewers are too credulous.

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

Any trainer who allows the horse to demonstrate the undesired behavior for the benefit of the video does not care about the heat interest of the horse. Allowing the bad behavior only encourages more bad behavior. Also anyone who does not have the time to do the groundwork correctly has no business owning a horse.

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

​@@evelynwaugh4053lots of opinion. Not even close to what's goung on in this video.

[@evelynwaugh4053]

@@timandersonhorsetraining OK, I'll delete my comment. It just seems to me like Dr. Blood may be over horsed. Calmness is often underappreciated when people are horse shopping.

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

​@@evelynwaugh4053what does DrBlood have to do with anything? They have nothing to do with this horse and the owners knew exactly what they were getting when the bought her. Horses come ro me to help they become better, they don't get they way you described without someone working with them.

[@evelynwaugh4053]

@@timandersonhorsetraining Dr. Blood is the OP (the comment that heads the thread). My 1st comment was to him, in response to his original comment, my second comment was to you, in response to your comment to me (that's why the second comment follows @timandersonhorsetraining in contrast to my first comment).

[@barbarawitt9989]

What a drama queen he is

[@susanmacatangay4209]

This guy is not a good example of a professional trainer. You work at the pace of the animal, not by force like he does.

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

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[@finngamesknudson1457]

What did he do that the horse wasn’t ready for? Are you objecting to Tim cracking the whip when horse threatens him? He did not abuse the horse I’ve never seen a Tim strike a horse anywhere near 10% of the force playing horses constantly apply to each other.

[@JuanitaThompson-cm5tq]

He is absolutely an example of a Master Horseman.

[@blondeenotsomuch]

And you are who? No videos, no proof of successful experience. When you have as many examples of happy, well trained beasts we can revisit your expertise.

[@susanmacatangay4209]

@@blondeenotsomuch if you have eyes, you can see these horses ARE NOT RELAXED around him. Telltale of what a trainer is. Animals are very good at knowing who are good people and who are not.