Classic Reboot: Understanding The Trial by Franz Kafka with Jason Reza Jorjani

[@bcccl569]

jeffrey, your conversations with jason are among the deepest and most rewarding of an already wonderful channel. i hope you can renew your friendship and give us more conversations.

[@jangjaeyeon2.087]

I have to agree. =3

[@jangjaeyeon2.087]

Not sure if its a face or a *ick emoji....or too much deconstruction. @.@

[@Futurerealised]

I don’t imagine Jason would be able to look at him the same way and to look into Jason’s eyes would be to see Jeffery’s conscience. Jason’s courage in 2023 would only shine more light on Jeffery’s intense fear and need for safety and security.

[@iammaxhammer]

I like Jason but you should check out Jeff's conversations with Terence McKenna

[@chester5450]

Please, restore all the great discussions you had with Jason. It's the right thing to do.

[@isaacburrows8405]

Theres a video of him advocating genocide of europe's muslim population.

[@boxerfencer]

Restore??? Did they go missing? They're all up, last I checked.

[@ShirleyMcalpine]

I wanted to say this too but your comment could not be improved!

[@luciferjunkie]

I really liked your genocidal maniac disclosure video haha I love Jason

[@RobertoClementeSanchez3]

You two alwayz display a brilliant chemistry of intellect and comprehensive understanding of every topic brought to the table and for this, I am alwayz grateful

[@paulh2468]

I believe it's important to note that Kafka worked as a Worker's Compensation Adjudicator, a legal bureaucrat. He would make decisions on if a worker received financial compensation, and how much. I had a similar job. It's the first and lowest level of the judicial system. I think this experience infuses Kafka's writing far more than most readers realize. As an adjudicator, you pass judgement on others, and you are judged (often harshly) by your superiors, and the system in general. This system is brutal on all involved, as it involves money, pain and suffering, and the laws of the land as dictated by the state and the courts.

[@dannycalley7777]

PH 2468 ...............you are sending people and institutions on a judged path ???

[@paulh2468]

@@dannycalley7777 I’m not sending anyone on any path. The system Kafka worked for, settling worker injury claims using legal procedures, likely affected his stories. I think you misunderstood my point.

[@mewimagine5920]

I want to hear more of Jorjani on the time-travelling Nordic people that live in the hollow moon. Fascinating stuff.

[@16sputnik7]

Wot?

[@thecrimsondragon9744]

😂😂

[@Jim-jx5ds]

In rewatching I remember just how much I liked that Jason Riza Jorjani was Jeffery's only guest who would always look towards us, the audience, at the end just as Jeffery does.

[@perpetualmotion357]

I forgot about this guy. Jason is one of those people where you can bring up a myriad of topics to have a conversation with and he has a depth of knowledge in most that few have.

[@Cholatemilk1]

It's sad the Jorjani interviews stopped I hope they can resume one day

[@Synkronicity]

When I finished The Trial a few years ago for the first time I discovered this excellent discussion shortly after which has led me down many paths thanks to Jorjani and Mishlove. Thankyou for reposting.

[@LethalBubbles]

Yay Jorjani. I don't always agree with him but find his perspective valuable. That makes for the best kinds of dialogues if you ask me

[@El-Californio]

I hope things can one day be mended amongst the both of you 🙏

[@_PanchoVilla]

The Trial is my favorite Kafka book. It felt like a nightmare that i didn't know how i got there in the first place. Kafka really captured that disoriented feeling like no other author has come close

[@luigifilippodl]

I for one was happy to see this reboot. I don't agree with Jason on a variety of points and 'issues', but he is very knowledgeable, well-read, a genuinely interesting person, and I believe good-natured too. Frankly I agree with him more often than I disagree, especially when it comes to history, philosophy, and the esoteric aspects of science fiction, etc, etc. He was unfairly targeted early on, for not much more than having a vivid imagination, and NTA stepped in to give him a platform to speak, which led to some great conversations. If we take him at his word, as he said on NTA, that he was infiltrating the alt-right to steer it in a different direction, then being fired from his teaching position and blacklisted from academia was doubly counterproductive, as that would make him the secret ally of the very people who were attempting to expose him as a fascist, and also probably contributed to him becoming more radicalized in his thinking than he might have otherwise.

[@Juan-hd8lh]

Kafka's "The Process" and "Metamorphosis" are the templates and molds for the genres like the Twilight Zone, but with a social and civil impact and practical insight on human rights (due process) and the (judicial) law. Due Process is a fundamental principle embodying justice and fairness, ensuring individuals receive fair treatment and procedural safeguards. Kafka's novel, "The Process," delves into the complexities of this concept, sparking philosophical contemplations on justice, the human condition, and the preservation of fundamental rights within legal systems. It reminds us of the moral imperative to protect against the abuse of power and highlights the significance of timely and efficient proceedings that uphold human dignity.

[@44turtlepower]

Can you please repost the episode where you and Jorjani discuss breakaway civilizations? I can't find that in your back catalog, but it seems so relevant these days!

[@El-Californio]

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[@charlesring9579]

So glad this is back up! One of the best intellectual discussions I know. The Trial is my favorite novel beside Jon Fosses Septology.

[@genghisgalahad8465]

Hearty Congratulations on the new Imprint with White Crow Books! 👏 📚!🎉

[@marchendrix611]

Dr. Mishlove, I hope this is a sign that you will be conversing with Jason again soon. So many people have had changes of heart in the last few years, it's been a wild time. I hope that time has cooled this disagreement.

[@_PanchoVilla]

What was the disagreement?

[@alexawsumb6006]

Jason, your recent "incendiary ideas" videos were excellent!

[@carlacorsini7766]

I read kafka years ago, but only just now was i struck by the way the world of The Trial also relates to the metaphysics of A Course in Miracles… i wont go into detail here but simply/ broadly, among other parallels, that there is no defence and nothing to defend in the unreal “house-of-mirrors” type of world we have made.

[@curt6525]

Interesting, have you read the law of one stuff?

[@_PanchoVilla]

Reminds me of the House Of Theater in Hesse's Steppenwolf. Kafka, Hesse, and Benjamin all ran in the same circles, so it is no surprise.

[@leathera]

I'd love to see new conversations between you and Jason. I hope you restore what you had in these days.

[@shakimbush8827]

Very interesting, and very articulately presented. The connection to UFOs stands out as unexpected, makes me more curious about what they really are.

[@_PanchoVilla]

He's a big UFO guy. Only natural of your life's work to trickle in other areas of discussion when it's at the forefront of thought.

[@Bacuper]

Jason is a bit kooky but he's very perceptive and learned and yes, do restore all the videos!

[@John6346]

thank you for re-uploading. it would be ultra- interesting, if you got more interpretation of Kafkas work..

[@andrewm5612]

As an Iranian American my self I believe his resentment towards the current state of Iran although intense and perhaps misguided is entirely understandable. It’s not an easy pill to swallow to come from such a deep and unique culture and people for it to be completely transformed into a shell of its former self through regressive ideologies largely brought about by the diluting of its people and culture. His critiques on Chinese civilization and modern China are similarly reasonable and the simple act of him making a value judgment on it doesn’t make it bigotry. I imagine very few of us here would choose to leave the western world and move to China or Iran. This is a value judgment but that doesn’t make it hateful

[@andrewm5612]

Some isolated tribes have been recorded as engaging in human sacrifice and cannibalism.. Is it bigotry to denounce this aspect of their culture? Your critique of Jason is unjust

[@kingdavid6729]

Great guest! Wonderful discussion 😊

[@yogadelvalledelsol7133]

After removing all of Jason’s videos (by far the best of your channel) I hope this means you are finally making up.

[@mortalclown3812]

His interviews never went anywhere.

[@fredrikbergquist5734]

When I read ”the trial” I got religious/spiritual associations and this vid explains that in a wonderful way. It is like all his ”enemies” are beset by demons and Joseph K is the only one that is not beset and therefore powerless.

[@Meowmeowmeow-b7m]

An unexpected but welcome surprise!

[@_PanchoVilla]

Ah, my BFF Walter Benjamin was mentioned in this video and not many people talk about my hero! Walter Benjamin was a German-Jewish intellectual. Translated Kafka, Proust, and Baudelaire, wrote seminal works on the theory of the novel, and was foundational for the Frankfurt school of Marxist theory. You might know him from such essays as "The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction," "Theses on the Philosophy of History," "On Some Motifs in Baudelaire," or "The Task of the Translator." Went to school with Rilke, good friends with Brecht, Arendt, Adorno, Hesse, Horkheimer. He worked primarily in Paris and at the outset of the war he refused to leave with his colleagues for America because of his masterwork, The Arcades Project, which is so ahead of its time I can't even believe it. In any case, by ~1940 Paris wasn't a great place to be for a Jew, so he fled by train to Spain. At the border his train was stopped; the passengers spent the night at a nearby hotel. His body was discovered the next morning -- suicide. He was post-modern before modernism was over, a Theorist before "Theory" even existed as a discipline. Like the other Jewish intellectuals of the early 20th-century he accessed a profound sadness that underpinned all of his works, but he wrote often about the messiah (as did Kafka, though people often forget that). Unrecognized before his death, and even today only recognized in certain academic circles, his work is immensely important for the way we critically approach texts, the way we approach translation of poetry, the way we regard art in this digital age... He's one of my favorite human beings of all time, a huge personal hero and a daily inspiration. When I think about how his story ended I get extremely upset.

[@_PanchoVilla]

Not to take anything away from Kafka. His life was just as tragic in his own rights.

[@avr4h]

What a pleasant read. Thank you for the lore drop, will look into him further.

[@MrValgard]

Long time no see Jorjani, where he vanish

[@jesuisravi]

Wonderful interview!

[@homagetv4481]

What an articulate guy! Great discussion

[@ralfpijnaker151]

This is fantastic. Thanks

[@josephmcgrath873]

Jason is a strong mind, I believe the issue between Jeffery and Jason turned personal when spouses got involved - let’s apply the law of forgiveness and allow for all free thought and discussion to prosper on this - KZbin’s premier free thinking channel

[@aray4031]

Your conversations with Jason are some of the very best. I understand that he's an eccentric, even controversial. Geniuses often are. Put your differences aside and work it out: the conversations are worth it.

[@kt9495]

In the description box is the link to the listings page Jeffrey refers to for anyone looking for older videos. It takes you to NTA, which then links back to YT. Could be a problem with the algo or the way the videos are set in the channel playlist as a reason they don’t come up on a search.

[@chester5450]

Jeffrey did something and all the videos disappeared from the Videos list and could not be found in Google searches. He needs to reverse what he did.

[@kt9495]

@@chester5450 They are set with the symbol that looks like a paper clip which means you need a link to see it. He gets the benefit of the doubt with me. Not my business, not my fight. ✌🏼Edit: I do see your point. They should be set to Listed.

[@chester5450]

@@kt9495 Yes - they should be set to Listed immediately. There are 39 full interviews (maybe more). IMO this content belongs to all of us.

[@NewThinkingAllowed]

All of the Jorjani videos have always been available through the Listings page. www.newthinkingallowed.com/Listings.html

[@user-qx8op7pn1o]

Love Dr. Jorjani❤

[@stephaniej5848]

Very very interesting. Thank you!

[@chrisallard1819]

Fantastic - thank you

[@hats-k2z]

Hes back!

[@mikewick77]

Jason Reza is fantastic.

[@_Darkhitect_]

Awesome I thought you weren't perhaps going to have jason on again being worthful on his war like take on how to deal with China. Very good show for Kelly with a k.

[@MadKingOfMadaya]

*_NO WAYYY WE GOT THE COMEBACK OF JEFFREY MISHLOVE AND JASON JORJANI BEFORE GTA6!_*

[@mortalclown3812]

Jason Jorjani's utter brilliance and support among some NTA subscribers notwithstanding, I've a rather imperious reaction to seeing this reboot. (It's a far cry from a stamped-feet hissy fit, but I'd like to register a modicum of dismay nonetheless.) I'm aware that my opinion may be construed as strident - or worse, picayune - but also akin to throwing out the proverbial baby with the bathwater. However, since my strong feelings about JRJ stem, in part, from his vehemently expressed views on eugenics in Iran - particularly appalling - perhaps it's not just a metaphor after all. A bigger person would celebrate tough conversations in the town square. After all, the paucity of civil dialogue is central to our undoing. For all I know, he might've retracted his argument about the very topic I mentioned. For example, he's certainly done that regarding his previous alliance with Richard Spencer. In that case, I stand checked and owe an apology. In the meantime, here's my two cents...or less. Thanks for your forbearance in reading this. Paz y luz.

[@havefunbesafe]

Well said.

[@El-Californio]

Here's your word salad star: 🌟

[@maurenemorgan5814]

Thank you for bringing back Jorjani.

[@vicentebalbastre]

I like Jason very much but i dont believe his statements about aliens, spies etc. I think he has created a character in order to attract attention towards his literary work.

[@DavidSmith-ef4eh]

Well, to be fair, if I were an alien or spy, I'd probably conatct Jason too, before conatcting some random farm workers lol

[@DavidSmith-ef4eh]

Great stuff. You should make peace with him, Jeffrey. For our sake.

[@tripjj8662]

I’m miss Jason

[@D.E.Saccone-no4og]

Either leave him off or restore him. This is schizophrenia inducing, lol. Love to you Both

[@ilovepavement1]

Looks like he didnt need that last re-read of The Trial

[@christopherneufelt8971]

A little philosophical absurdity here: is there life before death? Because societies that fall, have as first indication the loss of life... P.S. Thanks Dr. Mishlove for the great videos!

[@justsayin3553]

Humans, be more like jellyfish. Jellyfish will save humanity. 👾

[@chester5450]

When you, Jeffrey, realize Jason was the target of an image cheapening operation and that your actions indirectly (and unwittingly) supported their goal, if you are the deep thinking and truly caring individual I think you are, especially for those like Jason who deserve that care, you'll apologize and restore ALL (what, near 40?) videos you made private [EDIT: you made unlisted]. Do the right thing.

[@NewThinkingAllowed]

None of the videos have been made "private." They are all availaing through our Listings page, and always have been.

[@chester5450]

@@NewThinkingAllowed I may have the term "private" wrong (and, if so, I will edit my post), but I no longer see a single one (until this new one you just posted) listed under Videos though that is where I always used to find them. Where are we supposed to find them now? Again, I'll edit my post if I can find them. Is the "Listings page" on another website besides KZbin? I see no category called Listings here on the KZbin page.

[@chester5450]

@@NewThinkingAllowed Now I understand... you made them "unlisted" so they can't be searched for on Google and KZbin. You can reverse that. Why don't you? Jason was the one who got you to start NEW Thinking Allowed and was, if I recall correctly, your first guest. Either restore them all or remove this one from "Listed" and stop with the childishness. There's only one way to make it right and that is to restore them from unlisted.

[@Process1ndustry]

Is jason 'de-canceled' on new thinking! ;) Good to see!

[@Jim-jx5ds]

I miss Jason. Did he call for a "first strike" nuking of China or something like that? Would somebody straighten me out on this?!

[@_PanchoVilla]

In death Note, why is the protagonist named, 'L?' the name K. Would be more fitting as a nod to Kafka.

[@ilovepavement1]

"Thanks Jason, now can you recount the entire plot of The Trial with the maximum degree of nihilist resignation?"

[@KovietUnionDefector]

We love Jason

[@andrewm5612]

It seems a bit hypocritical to re-upload this if you believe he’s a hateful bigot as you’ve expressed in the past. You’re legitimizing his work and ideas by posting this as it’s an indirect promotion of his work and ideas. I think Jason has very clearly and honestly laid out his worldview and it’s not fair to characterize it as you have. I’m sure if you extended an olive branch out to him you could both continue making great content together.

[@mariamkhakhnelidze4851]

That really flipped the cards

[@Dani68ABminus]

Another wonderful discussion with Jason...thank you both! For the interested, 'Closer Encounters' is a great book by him that delves into this connection between aliens/ufo's and the metaphysical realm.

[@editionsdutemps4174]

Brillant intellectuel.

[@marciaguzman2831]

Creme de la creme. Many thanks for this, gentlemen!👏👏👏

[@threeblindchickens]

how many times do we reincarnate?

[@juiceingot9246]

C'mon Smiley.

[@PravdaSeed]

🧞 Jason u R the One. Nice 2 C U with PRAVDA friends. thanks⭐😍⭐ Will you please elaborate about FM-30. 🌀 The myth of Plato to nato is collapsing 💯%&C... 🌀 The old Persian maj used to "know" that: There's no way by any form & kind of education we can Not make a Horse race from a Donkey= believers never ever crossing the bridge of knowing. Love you all 🧞

[@victory5392]

J.R.J rules❤

[@johnunderwood9575]

Is there life after death? Absolutely not, as there is no such thing as death.

[@dan020350]

💙👌

[@Octavian2]

So wait. You're reposting content with a guy you won't even have on because of his beliefs, but you're still willing to profit off of him?

[@JordanB-lc4oi]

Explain...

[@zacnewford]

there is no trial in this book

[@rikardlatvala6489]

Understanding Kafka is very easy. He was of jewish heritage and at the time antisemitism was on the rise… so the trial is just about a jewish man on trial for being a jew. The same goes for the story in metamorphosis, a jew resident Who in the eyes of his landlord slowly turns into a pest, a comon view of the antisemetics in those days.

[@Bacuper]

But it can be interpreted in a dozen ways of course. Modernism, bureaucracy and so many themes.

[@_PanchoVilla]

The beauty of hermeneutics. We read the same book but we do not read the same way.

[@ArezooMirad]

✋

[@ItsameAlex]

cool

[@joaowiciuk]

The book contains little to no religious references and yet you insist in a religious interpretation of it...

[@sproutedgaucho]

The day you dropped Jorjani was the beginning of your loss of audience. Make up understand you error and make more interviews if you can persuade him.

[@danzigvssartre]

So your message is: "Do as we say or you shall be punished." I guess you haven't learnt much from watching this channel?

[@sproutedgaucho]

@@danzigvssartre I think you missed the point all together. Or you are just trying to provoke a non existent situation. Either way I wish you peace on your joirney

[@NewThinkingAllowed]

The audience has been consistently growing, with or without, JRJ videos.

[@bcccl569]

@@NewThinkingAllowed we love you jeffrey, just wish you could mend things with jason so those wonderful conversations are available to all. i hope you make peace.