Classic WoW, Modern (2025), Deep RET Paladin PvP Guide

[@Westknight93]

Hi been waiting to hear your thoughts about deep ret specs for a year finally :) As someone who has experience playing deep ret there are couple thoughts I want to add Drakova on his control ret is using fiery enchantment (you can look into his Nasiar videos), which also works on classic ret. The reasoning for fiery is that if fiery crits it procs vengeance and 5/5 vengeance is big deal for deep ret builds. If you seal twist soc into sor fiery procs very very often its much better than 25 agi on weapon for vengeance uptime (both soc and sor can proc fiery) and is also cheap to enchant, while crusader has a low chance to proc, but it procs more often for reckoning paladins because they tend to swing more often with reckoning charges. On your first joust if your white hit doesn't crit, fiery can proc and crit and it will proc vengeance which you can proceed to stun -> pop zandalarian if stun not resisted -> judge soc for double damage, max rank consecration into grenade -> hammer of wrath to finish target in catch bomb if RNG crits/damage goes your way Also if you have vengeance up with sanctity aura on, you can dish out some big hammer of wrath hits and soc judgement critical chance shares same calculations as your physical critical chance therefore if your goal is to have good kill time in battlegrounds, critical chance with some spellpower gear (marshals,t2.5) is huge for both deep ret specs and soc critical judgements with vengeance is big part of their burst. (hoj,blackhand breadth,zandalarian hero charm honorable mention trinkets which are easy to get for this)

[@pallytime2156]

Ahh good info. Like I said its my least played Class. But I always wonder on how GOOD of a Time on Target MONSTER it must be in the 1v1.

[@Westknight93]

@@pallytime2156 I think both deep and control ret wants to have high critical chance at least 20% bare minimum. Its more important for them than reckoning paladins. Improved 8sec judgement is big for these specs and soc judgement damage with vengeance is big part of burst rotation. Classic ret with divine strength and consecration can do more damage than control ret, zg trinket + crusader judgement with marshals or t2.5 gear makes consecration tick for ~100 thats 800 damage through armor in full duration its good vs plate/mail classes if they don't trinket out and sit in there while being stunned. I play classic ret as how much damage I can do within a stun time period, if they lost 50% health bar go for kill, if not run away and try again later. I would use faster 2h like kalimdors on control ret since they can stun more often and get more white hits within a stun, classic ret slower 2h for better chance to proc soc for more damage, but in general I agree with your way of thinking just that ret does a lot damage if geared properly you don't even need "time on target" playstyle

[@philo2914]

@@Westknight93 why do you want increased white hits during stuns as opposed to big SoC procs? Is it for increased vengeance procs to judge command for burst?

[@Westknight93]

@@philo2914 because usually they kite you and you can't always catch to hit them every 3.8 sec with slow weapon, but with faster weapon you can get more swings within 6 second stun before its over

[@Westknight93]

but its for niche dueling situations, having 35 seconds hammer of justice cooldown + repentance helps to stun often, in most other cases slower weapon is usually always better

[@Jvstm]

I made it until you started coughing up plegm a few minutes in

[@Phatlove123]

We need a deep ret raiding guide

[@miguelanessoares7039]

Whats actually the best enchant on weap for deep ret? Most common ones are steel weap chain, crusader and 25 agi.

[@jeffwhittingham5314]

Crusader is a good choice, but Fiery is worth a mention. Fiery procs a lot (particularly if you seal twist sor), and it can crit which will proc vengeance. Also very good for ret is iron counterweight. All your damage is triggered off auto-attacks, so the more swings the better (SoC proc rate is not altered by haste, so you will get more than 7 ppm with haste enchants - stack them on gloves, head, legs and optionally weapon).

[@cthunderssj8440]

damn what did Amy do tho

[@miguelanessoares7039]

Best 1 hander would be Servo Arm right?

[@pallytime2156]

No idea. Me thinks Edward the Odd. Because if we ARE using a 1 hander its vs... Hunter... War... Rogue. And in 2/3 cases Edward is better. VS hunter Any slow 1 hander will do. Rank 14 for example ands its 2.9 speed. Deathrbinger.

[@luizfelipemelo1098]

Please, tell me you’re going to do a holy shock/eye/command guide

[@Westknight93]

@@luizfelipemelo1098 there already is check his past podcast with drakova shockadin 31/0/20 they talk about spec for hour long

[@Westknight93]

Wait till ZG is released, get zandalarian hero charm make divine favor + trinket macro into holy shock. Wear marshal gear or t2, judge seal of crusader -> wait few seconds for judgement cd to be almost over -> stun target if he not resisted or trinketed out of stun, pop trinket into holy shock, max rank consecration, seal of command judgement + chance to proc soc on white hit thats 2-3k+ damage burst every 3 minutes. But until this you basically stand in the back and heal in battlegrounds. Pretty fun in battlegrounds, but in 1v1 duels its the most gimmicky paladin spec, if RNG in your favor you nuke someone if not you lose.

[@pallytime2156]

Already did... look up "Modern (2025) Holy Shock/Reck Guide)

[@luizfelipemelo1098]

@@Westknight93 well, people say that holy shock eye is one of the best duelists in the game, i can do a lot of dmg just by seal twisting and judging every 8 secs, combined with mortar and sapper its devastating, but maybe people are just bad and i got lucky

[@luizfelipemelo1098]

@@pallytime2156 i saw your guide, amazing as always. What can i use for a main weapon before getting the mace from MC? Im considering use demonshear for shadowbolts procs and decent damage buffed with lifestealing, it would be fine or the alterac pvp mace is a better option?

[@christopherlandaverde9397]

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