Classic WW2 Movies and Their Weird Tanks

[@jon-paulfilkins7820]

The 'Tigers' in Kelly's Hero's remains a fine example of making an effort to get it right. A LOT of films just don't bother with anything more than painting it grey and slapping a cross on it.

[@keptinkaos6384]

agreed they even went as far as to cover the T34's Christie suspension...

[@legion4076]

*looks at furry who used a real tiger tank*

[@phoenix1782]

@@legion4076 its fury not FURRY

[@ryanmichael1298]

@@phoenix1782 I guess it depends on what kind of movie one enjoys...

[@fendiputraasaprilana1667]

Yeah, but they paint the Tiger pink, 😂😂

[@Torsk1007]

I love when patton fights pattons

[@JohnnyJohnsonEsq]

When will the Patton on Patton violence end?

[@liamkurtyhnigov4064]

@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq very sad we should protest about this

[@polygorg]

Mind you, using pattons

[@shadowcat0201]

And in WW2 hahaha.

[@dd-579fletcherwillyd.9]

Patton was so OP, he had to fight himself simultaneously while fighting the Germans

[@timwilliamson6704]

I bet these film producers would have loved to have met that old German guy with the Panther stashed in his basement.

[@aarosundvall]

Too bad the 4th reich stole it from him.

[@ivanvladimir0435]

@@aarosundvall Let the man have his tank

[@Namkify]

@@aarosundvall Well that aswell as a working 88mm FlaK, bunch of MG42's, some other guns I believe, a few thousand rounds of ammo for everything and a bunch of swastikas aswell as other Nazi collectibles. Oh and the firing mechanism, was restorable on the Panther, as far as I read. I'm kinda glad this stuff goes to a Museum now x)

[@Wallyworld30]

Yeah, but that tank was in Germany so it wouldn't have helped them filming in Spain.

[@Lecruque]

Seems like a wet dream such a collection… The tank had no tracks though.

[@MrTJPAS]

The Spanish Army Tank Corps: "Are we finally going to see some action?" Higher ups: "Nope, some movie needs you to pretend to be the Axis powers from WW2 again. Better get to painting those tanks once again." Spanish Army Tank Corps: ".........."

[@terribleauthority]

Knowing Spain under Falco, the soldiers were probably more than happy to participate and there were a few WW2 veterans who relived their glory days.

[@victorfinberg8595]

@@terribleauthority Falco? You mean Franco?

[@terribleauthority]

@@victorfinberg8595 Apologies, yes, Franco. I will now listen to "Rock me Amadeus" as punishment.

[@terribleauthority]

@@victorfinberg8595 Much obliged.

[@SuperPickle15]

What they get for being an axis netural in ww2.

[@usarmy500]

When I watched Patton I was like wait a minute those are all American tanks

[@Abensberg]

no you can clearly see the iron cross... those are TIGERS!!!! definitely!

[@MorrowindES17]

PATTONS VS PATTONS LOL at least there did a good job on the uniforms and guns for the time it came out.

[@KapiteinKrentebol]

Maybe the movie was about the tanks, not the general.

[@funky-puppet]

The Germans did capture several Shermans and used them against American forces!They called them Beute Panzer(Trophy Tank).Granted these are Patton class tanks that weren’t in the service till the early 1950s!

[@rkie1912]

SUS

[@picklerick8785]

What I find hysterical as a former artilleryman is the exact same echo explosion sound effect used in literally every movie from this era, along with the “bullet ricochet” sound.

[@LordVader1094]

It's always fun for me, those sounds hold a lot of nostalgia lol

[@picklerick8785]

@@LordVader1094 They even show up in spaghetti westerns too. I don't know who recorded (poorly) the "artillery sound" originally, but I think it shows up in the 1950s. It's the Wilhelm Scream of military movies.

[@bobcohoon9615]

Sound dept is supposed to do this, but they didn't fuss too much with it. In Jurassic Park, they had trouble trying to come up with convincing dinosaur sounds, and used all kinds of sounds to try and do it, even blending them together. I always find it a joke when they show a 75mm or 88mm shell going off, and it looks like some big fire crackers tied together . The real thing was not like that, just look at actual footage from WWII

[@leebh8607]

@@LordVader1094 True, its fun to hear actually. I don't mind if they were used over and over in older movies.

[@justjosh11]

It's like the Wilhelm scream that you hear in many, many different films going back to at least the original star wars, all the way up to modern day.

[@highadmiralbittenfield9689]

I know it's not a WW2 tank, but Red Dawn convinced me there isn't any excuse for poor mock-ups. They made a mock up of a soviet tank (I think a T-72) out of a bulldog so convincing that they got a visit from the authorities to ask them how they got it.

[@grahamh3796]

In the Bridge Too Far clip that shows tanks moving away from camera the last tank has its track off the ground. The Brits and their cunning use of decoys.

[@HollywoodMarine0351]

This was taken from IMDB… “The producers were only able to locate four of the many Sherman tanks seen on the screen. The rest were plastic molds set on top of 88" Land Rovers. Volkswagen Beetle chassis were used for German Kubelwagens. The tank treads didn't reach the ground, but the movie is edited so that this isn't noticeable (except in the section after Elliott Gould cries, "Roll the fuckers!") there are shots of the tanks rolling over the bridge. One tank is seen silhouetted against the background and its tracks are clearly not moving as fast as they should be if the tank were real). At about fifty-seven minutes into this movie, as the Shermans are heading up the road, the last Sherman seen (the fifth one) is floating a few inches off the ground. If you look quickly, you'll just see the rear left wheel from one of the Land Rovers.”

[@colinbarron4]

@@HollywoodMarine0351 The Sherman that crosses the Bailey Bridge (scene with Elliott Gould) is a fiberglass replica. The reason for this was that that bridge was not strong enough to take the full weight of a real Sherman.

[@colinbarron4]

@freebeerfordworkers They were converted AT-6 aircraft made to look like Typhoons. The 'P-47 Thunderbolts' which appear early in the movie in an airfield scene were also converted AT-6s. Some AT-6s were also modified to look like Fw-190s but they don't appear in the final cut of the film.

[@blitzpixgarage3319]

secret british WW2 hoovertank

[@AtheistOrphan]

@@blitzpixgarage3319 - Cylinder Or upright hoover? (Hover*)

[@red.5475]

I used to watch these movies as a kid in the '80s, and this was the thing that bothered me the most. God bless you, sir.

[@Staravora]

Same bro, when I realized they were all American tanks I was like that's so dumb lol

[@josevictorionunez9312]

Hollywood in the 1970s: Spain, I am one again asking for your tanks

[@DomWeasel]

I read somewhere a Spanish soldier complaining that the only thing they ever did in the '60s and '70s was portray extras in Hollywood movies, either as WW2 forces or Roman legions. 8,000 Spanish infantry portrayed a Roman army in Spartacus for example.

[@JackDrinkn2DollarJim]

The series "Rat Patrol" used a lot of the same Spanish equipment.

[@calvingrondahl1011]

I saw these films in theaters when they were first released. My father was a Combat Infantry Scout in the 95th Division 3rd Army. Dad received the Silver Star by order of General Patton for the Battle of Metz. General Patton pinned Father’s Combat Infantry Badge on him. Father passed away at the age of 90.

[@oldmanriver1955]

The scene where he jumps on a tank and directs traffic actually happened. I read his book and he relates this tale with the added authority of being the driver of the tank Patton stood on.

[@princeofcupspoc9073]

So, another probably fake post about the poster and not the content. Just checking.

[@backrowbrighton]

Really pleased you did this video. I am an older type and remember seeing all these films at the time of their release. My friend was a keen builder of model tanks and pointed out all the substitute modern designs in the movies. It was interesting that 'Kelly's Heroes' which was really an action comedy caper strove for such historical accuracy with its vehicles. The producers of all the films listed still did a very good job with what was available to them at the time.

[@JohnnyJohnsonEsq]

Glad you liked it! These films are slightly before my time but I still recommend younger people watch them. They hold up very well.

[@sqike001ton]

Historically accurate yet some how an American GI in France is using a Russian sniper rifle I guess it's possible a German sniper picked up a mosin on the Eastern front and choose to bring it to the Western front when he was reassigned which I could see it was "better" than some German snipers which were DMR optics pressed into sniper rules which German snipers hated but then why would an American choose to use it as his primarily weapon he has no way to resupply ammo I'm a gun guy and I his has bothered me since I first watched them move as a kid I was able to put together that the Russian in enemy at the gates were using the same rifle as in my favorite move Kelly's heros

[@a.m.7165]

@@sqike001ton I'm always wondering how things like this slip through, yet It's always things like this that are criticized in movies. Kellys Heroes is pretty old, maybe that's it but it wouldn't have been so hard to find an M1903 or something and even nowadays film studios get it wrong.

[@steveonmareisland5268]

@Peter Walsh Kelly's Heroes was shot in Yugoslavia, whose army, fortunately, still had actual Tiger tanks in some units in 1969.

[@DomWeasel]

@@steveonmareisland5268 Yugoslavia never had any Tigers. The only other country other than Germany to use them were the Hungarians who received thirteen examples. France and Romania used a couple of captured models briefly. Tigers never operated after Germany's surrender in 1945 and the only operational Tiger left is 131 which was captured in '43 in Tunisia by the British. Yugoslavia after the war only ever operated American or Soviet models of tank. Syria used Panzer IVs after the war between 1950 and 1967 and France used captured Panthers until '49.

[@comentedonakeyboard]

Given the dificulties (or rather imposibility) to get historical acurate tanks, this sort of inacuracy is excusable (others aint).

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

Plywood?

[@comentedonakeyboard]

@@trazyntheinfinite9895 a solution? A realistic one on top of it? How dare you!😀

[@thoughtengine]

@@trazyntheinfinite9895 It still costs more, because you have to get someone to actually make the mockups out of the plywood, and also there is only so much you can do with plywood, many of these shots aren't just backgrounds but are the hero shots, which would show up the limitations of the plywood until the audience were rolling in the aisles.

[@dd-579fletcherwillyd.9]

@@trazyntheinfinite9895 only for faraway and static shots. Not much for moving tanks tho. Also, when you shoot a movie on foreign land and knows that it's a high-budget film, some of the locals can be quite snarky by overpricing materials to get some of dat sweet dollar

[@legendaryexplorer8119]

You could always make a replica

[@nomorerepublicans825]

"Not always easy"? Realistically probably not even a priority. Production teams probably figured moviegoers wouldn't know/care. You forgot the decent audie Murphy flick to hell and back using ridiculously bad stand-ins for the famous German towed 88s. Btw, I always care. One reason I love saving pvt. Ryan so much, the extreme attention to detail

[@PauloPereira-jj4jv]

That P-51 in the end is an exception...

[@skybuprofen9834]

@@PauloPereira-jj4jv and the fake Tiger, but SPR was before 131 was running, wasn't it?

[@nomorerepublicans825]

@@skybuprofen9834 yes fake but they clearly made an effort to make it look real, not just paint an American tank grey or slap some oatmeal on it to look like zimmerit

[@PauloPereira-jj4jv]

@@skybuprofen9834 ....yes, it was. But the Tiger/T-34 was nice anyway and it took sometime for me to note the difference. Imagine that scene with an Abrams....😂

[@PauloPereira-jj4jv]

@@nomorerepublicans825 ...yes, much better.

[@Ralphieboy]

There is a scene in "Patton" during the Battle of the Bulge where you can briefly see an authentic vintage Sherman M32 tank recovery vehicle roll by in the background.

[@johnmuir8515]

Oddball is the greatest American tanker of all time. He was the only person thinking strategically holding his unit in reserve in case the Germans launched a counterattack against Paris or possibly New York.

[@ImmortalSugimoto792]

Italy was definitely the recipient of the biggest upgrade going from M13/40s to M48 Pattons.

[@NumptyGrumble]

Remember seeing the T34/85s in Cross of Iron for the first time, made an impact seeing period armour in a film at that time.

[@JohnnyJohnsonEsq]

Love Cross of Iron

[@pnutz_2]

it's sorta-period armour, but having the russians be armed with equipment they got the year after the battles were fought is a pretty good attempt

[@anthonymunoz6013]

The Germans loved captured t 34 when they could get them. I was watching a vid on YT where they were recovering a T34 and when they finally got it far enough out of the lake it was in and it flipped back over, low and behold, it had the iron cross painted over the star.

[@Pershingtank]

Also check out the soviet "Liberation" films of the late 60s/early 70s. Especially the first one, which is based on Kusrk, dozens and dozens of tanks on set! Granted, there's a lot of T-55s and T-62s in background (and sometimes an IS-3 in foreground!) but they did have some nice looking mockups of Tigers based on T-44s. (In my opinion, T-44s and T-55s make a better basis for mockup than a T-34, since they're larger and with a more central turret). Funnily enough, I've seen more than one documentary convert some of that film's Tiger footage into black and white to try and pass it off as real footage.

[@Tookan69]

IS-3? Time to check one out

[@mrmakhno3030]

@@Tookan69 in the Reichstag scene. You can find that "Tiger IS 3" in the Great Patriotic War video of Mauzer.

[@Pershingtank]

@@Tookan69 At the very end of the first film (about 88 minutes in) several cross right in front of the camera, behind the T-34s. there's also several IS-2s doubling as Panthers, though they're a lot less convincing than the T-44s-as-Tigers.

[@Kon_Chen_i]

In "they fought for motherland" was used T-55 too. Pretty common situation.

[@Goran1138]

Most ironically, that in the early film "Stalingrad", wich was maked when Stalin was alive, there are was really outstanding job with German and Soviet armor. There are even was natural Pz 38t. Later in the 60-70s almost all capured German armour was lost due to the different reasons. And T-55/62 started to play german armor in different war movies. Also BTR-152 very often played role of the German halftrack APCs, despite the fact, that it had only wheels)))

[@thekhoifish0146]

Would’ve been funny to include the Kelly’s Heroes from Girls Und Panzer

[@Fr1thar]

No...

[@m22locust42]

@@Fr1thar yes

[@J-dogd]

Lmao

[@J-dogd]

@@Fr1thar yes

[@Fr1thar]

@@J-dogd no

[@Track_Tension]

“You go into filming with the tanks you have, not the tanks you might want or wish to have at a later time.” ― Donald Rumsfeld

[@FLJBeliever1776]

What's funny about Bridge at Remagen, was that the US Army deployed the M26 Pershing there. A Platoon of five were on hand, though one was undergoing servicing at the time. So the remaining four led the way into town. They also provided overwatch and Fire Support because they were too heavy to get over the bridge. They were ferried over five days later by barge.

[@mikebrase5161]

I used to do German WW2 reenacting. Got to do several events with the Saving Pvt Ryan Tiger. The best mod I've ever seen was the guys in Colorado that built a Mk IIIJ long barrel on a M-113 chassis. Videos of it are on KZbin.

[@orange8420]

Top 10 anime fight Patton VS patton

[@rfletch62]

The Collings Foundation in Stow, Mass. has reenactments in the fall. They usually have a very convincing Stug III for the op force, with M-4 and M-3's. Wish they could get their Panther running.

[@bbb462cid]

My old company was affliated. The Collings is a little bit still reeling from the loss of Nine O Nine (and the people on board) I shouldn;t wonder.

[@folgore1]

For enthusiasts in Europe, the Royal Tank Museum in Bovington, UK has "TankFest" during the summer! When I saw it, they had their Tiger I participate! Rather ironically, there were more British re-enactors dressed as G.I.'s rather than as British soldiers!

[@Soundwave3591]

I honestly credit all these classic war films with building up my interest in military history, and from there history overall. Plenty of memories in this video.

[@muffininc.464]

People love to talk about actors with great range, yet always forget to mention how many roles the Patton has played!

[@rcgunner7086]

When I was younger it bothered me that they just didn't use period tanks. That changed after I finished my tour in the Army. Now I love these flicks! The M47 and M48s are some of my favorite tanks and it is so cool to see these dinosaurs doing their thing, even if it is just a movie. These old movies are almost time capsules for Cold War tanks. I get to see tanks in action that were just gate guards or memories of my old NCOs. Unwitting vessels showing historic AFVs from the late '40's to the 60's. I WISH they would have made WWIII movies set in the '50's in Germany with the things!

[@hughledger7835]

Has no one else watched the German soldier get hit and run over by a tank in Patton? 1. He went under chassis not a track. 2 in El Guettar battle.

[@sjonnieplayfull5859]

Heard others about it before. Some say it was an accident, the guy did not realise the tank was THIS close, others say it was staged because a second shot was much closer, so either a cameraman was keep to notice, or it was indeed staged. Sure as hell impressed me watching it as a kid

[@GannicusMisteriosdeHonduras]

My boy Johnny once again with them good movies, weird movie details and the like!!

[@JohnnyJohnsonEsq]

I got you bro

[@MorrowindES17]

@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq Just found your channel good stuff bro watching every video.

[@JohnnyJohnsonEsq]

@@MorrowindES17 Thanks brother! It's a working progress and still relatively new so I hope to up the production value for you in future videos :)

[@Willysmb44]

The bottom line, it's what they would have on hand. That's why Kelly's Heroes was so freshingly accurate for most of the vehicles, as the Yugoslavians had T-34 Tiger mockups left over from a previous movie filmed there, and they were NOT cobbled together originally for Kelly's Heroes

[@RealKull]

"Battle of the Neretva", probably the most ambitious and expensive movie ever filmed in Yugoslavia.

[@VersusARCH]

@@RealKull Yup. (although no Tiger tanks were used during the actual Battle of Neretva, but hey - if Hollywood can have wild imagination...)

[@tihomirrasperic]

In the first days of the war in Yugoslavia 1990 the young Croatian army had 15 Sherman tanks and Soviet T-34s pulled out of the museum and re-armed opposite them, the Yugoslav Army had T-55s and T-72s After the action "Flash" and "Storm" in 1995 Sherman tanks and Soviet T-34s have been returned to museums

[@michellesheppard9253]

@@RealKull I thought it was The Battle of Sutjeska that was the most ambitious and expensive. Oh well, different sources say different things.

[@pedrorocha4817]

Paraguay still use some M3 Stuart tanks during ceremonies.

[@HollywoodMarine0351]

The 1955 Czechoslovak war film “Tanková brigáda” (Tank Brigade) used a variety of authentic armored vehicles used by both sides. It includes Russian T-34 and T-34/85s, as well as German Panzer IV Ausf. G, Sturmgeschütz III and a Schwimmwagen.

[@einundsiebenziger5488]

T-34s of several variants were in numerous Eastern Block countries' arsenals until the mid 1970s. No problem to get a few for filming back then.

[@battlejitney2197]

My favorite part in Battle of the Bulge is after Telly’s Chaffee gets half the turret blown away and he rolls up in it’s scorched remains, holding the .30 cal. Such a comic book moment.

[@JohnnyJohnsonEsq]

Brilliant scene!

[@douglasdaniel4504]

@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq Unfortunately, my suspension of disbelief has never been quite the same after that scene-- the crew should have been a thin red coating on the interior of what was left of the turret, but realism wouldn't have served the plot, I guess.

[@JohnnyJohnsonEsq]

@@douglasdaniel4504 haha you are certainly not wrong. I just like the reaction and look of the crew.

[@davidcouch6514]

I think it’s when Dano steps up forward you can see the turret mess disclose it is rubber.

[@einundsiebenziger5488]

... in its* scorched remains (it's = it is) ...

[@galesams4205]

I served on a m-48 52 ton tank, 90mm main ,50 cal. coax, few flame thrower. A beast with 5 per platoon and 9 APC m113 13 ton. Qu-ohan tp pl-Durang 10th calvery RECON. Vietnam.

[@PauloPereira-jj4jv]

In many cases, this was the best they could do. Since it was very hard to find original German vehicles and there was no CGI. How many times we saw Texans (T-6) being used as "fighters"? Or Japanese Zeroes? Even when they had original planes, like the P-47s in "Fighter Squadron", the results were inaccurate for various reasons.

[@randomdogwith3ginternetacc996]

Was waiting for this from very long 😄. Finally. Great video :D

[@JohnnyJohnsonEsq]

Glad you liked sir!

[@randomdogwith3ginternetacc996]

@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq Loved it. I'm saving to my Playlist as well 😊❤️

[@JohnnyJohnsonEsq]

@@randomdogwith3ginternetacc996 My man

[@jamesturner9651]

People always bitch about the Pattons. But I’ll give it a pass considering those are Spanish Army members(?) and actual serviced tanks. The fact that they’re real and those are real effects of the “explosions”. Just coordinating that in person must have been an effort all by itself.

[@JohnnyJohnsonEsq]

Absolutely. I couldn't agree more. If you want a real war experience go to war otherwise the production companies do the best they can.

[@KapiteinKrentebol]

Yeah, today it would be CGI. Well Fury had authentic tanks but that movie was so so.

[@Pershingtank]

Yeah, and Battle of the Bulge in particular tends to get unfairly shit on in this regard. The film does of course, have far more significant problems than the "Actor tanks," but a lot of people talk about it as if it were the only movie ever to use anachronistic , un-mockedup tanks. The M47 does at least have a vaguely similar shape of turret as the Tiger 2 if you squint at it....unlike the even more modern looking M48s in some of these other movies :P

[@danielmp2085]

There's a BBC documentary about 1960s Francoist Spain were they show how the country is and when talking about the spanish army they are on the 'Patton' movie set. There's some interesting shots of spanish army officers (with spanish uniforms) giving orders to their soldiers dressed as americans.

[@stripemcr5722]

The soviet ww2 movies made in the same time period had much more authentic vehicles, and they also had to modify some of their tanks to make them look like krautz.

[@rring44]

There are some really great Soviet WW2 movies and some not so good ones. Check out this movie even though there are no tanks. It is a legit 10/10 movie and you will cry your eyes out. If anyone watches it, tell me what you thought of it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpfJpXuBm5Zpaqc

[@johnjones_1501]

The Soviets also had a bunch of tank regiments that used captured German tanks. I wonder if any of those ever go used in their post war movies?

[@stripemcr5722]

@@johnjones_1501 if the soviets were using a German tanks it must to happen during the Reichs push to the east when the reds were short on equipment, which also means that most of them would be destroyed in combat.Once the Soviet started counterattacking they would already be deploying their own made tanks plus Western lend & lease vehicles

[@einundsiebenziger5488]

@@stripemcr5722 ... were using *German tanks ...

[@spikespa5208]

Soviet movies could use genuine tanks, like the T34-85, because they still had a ___load of 'em in reserve storage. Along with their client states.

[@rileyhofman8027]

1:41 i burst out laughing seeing the ''italian'' tank that looks nothing like a actually ww2 italian tank

[@rcgunner7086]

Yeah, the Italians WISH they had those things!

[@davidcouch6514]

1 Forward and 18 Reverse Gears.

[@SirAntoniousBlock]

Italian tanks were riveted together, very noticeable.

[@bobcohoon9615]

For old Sherman tanks, there is " Tank" with James Garner ,who plays a sergeant major with a personal restored early M4. A very good story to it. There is also " The tanks are coming " , a 1950's story of a tank group operating in Europe near end of WWII. All done with authentic vehicles, still in use in the 1950's, even a Sherman tank recovery version, and an M26 Pershing at the end

[@yesyesyesyes1600]

The best scene was when the "hooker" fired the Cal .50 machine gun into the woods. Imagine the projectiles coming down like artillery shells in a nearby village ... oh my god 🤣

[@georgeh.7238]

That M-4 that was in Tank with James Garner is now on display at the Marine Corps Museum at Quantico Virginia in the "Pacific Theater" Exhibit Hall.

[@leebh8607]

Tank is the movie which I fell in love with the Sherman. Feel so badass driving the Sherman across the state serving out some justice until it got damaged and stuck in the mud

[@chris.3711]

Fun fact: General Patton actually had a very high pitched, almost feminine voice, not the deep and resonating one like people imagine..

[@KapiteinKrentebol]

Yeah and he was also much more slender build. I guess someone saw George C. Scott in Dr. Strangelove and thought we should make a Patton movie with him as Patton which couldn't be further from the truth. It's like having 1980's Arnold Schwarzenegger play Abraham Lincoln.

[@Panzer-535]

i've heard that about other famous Generals/Leaders too, how movies portray them aren't always accurate. George Washington comes to mind

[@lautarogomez9711]

Really?.

[@chris.3711]

@@lautarogomez9711 There is an interesting video of Patton giving a speech. Give it a listen, it'll shock you.

[@einundsiebenziger5488]

@@KapiteinKrentebol Now I can't help but imagine Lincoln giving his Gettysburg Address in Schwarzenegger's Austrian-German accent.

[@todd-2362]

One thing I noticed about early World War II movies no matter what country the movie was made in. It always shows the soldiers as grown men but reality is they were 18, 19, 20, & 21 year olds.

[@JohnnyJohnsonEsq]

yah some of those John Wayne War movies he is playing special forces in his 60s lol

[@einundsiebenziger5488]

@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq The reason why JW even became a super star was that he was already 35 years old when the US entered WW2, so he could acquire roles that would have gone to younger actors if they hadn't been drafted to join the armed forces. He then was eager to play in as many war movies as possible so he could at least pretend to have been a soldier.

[@ddraig1957]

In the 1960s French film ,Is Paris Burning ?,set in August 1944,the French Forces are equipped with a lot of genuine Shermans,M8 armoured cars and US half-tracks.Sadly when German armour is portrayed,it appears as some very unconvincing mockups.

[@JohnnyJohnsonEsq]

ah good addition! I wish I had added that one.

[@alessiodecarolis]

Effectively the German pzs seems some M24(french army had a lot)

[@phantomaviator1318]

Shame France didn't keep the Panthers it kept after the end of WW2. Would've been great for movies

[@AtheistOrphan]

Yeah I saw that one recently. The ‘German’ tanks are M24 Chaffees.

[@altermannjapan]

Yes! I think M24 acted as "Panther" with Zimmerit Coating

[@richardhockey8442]

by the time most of those films were made you could probably count the number of operational authentic german tanks on the fingers of one hand

[@TheKalle45]

Not many german ww 2 vehicles left behind, the allies made a good job 👍

[@manweller1]

All of these films were a must watch when I was a kid. Then we would act them out at school the following day. Good days ❤️. Thanks for the trip down memory lane

[@RealKull]

It was the same for me in school in the early 80s...back then in Italy Video Cassette Recorders were not very common, so basically every household watched the same movie the evening before...

[@iamahumanoid3483]

One of the most ironic things about The Big Red One, is that the concentration camp soldiers are either mostly or entirely Israeli soldiers

[@SaveThePurpleRhino]

I bet not many european comfortable playing concentration camp guard in israel

[@thebeast8429]

Any footage involving that topic is played by them lol even the "real" footage used to brainwash people

[@iamahumanoid3483]

@@thebeast8429 I’m not even going to begin to engage with you on that topic

[@thebeast8429]

@@iamahumanoid3483 You can find proof of it, its just buried lol I'd understand if there wasn't clear as day proof available

[@FokkeWulfe]

@@thebeast8429 so to be clear, you're saying that Holocaust footage, footage of Jews in concentration camps, shows Jews in concentration camps..... man. Thank god you were here to suss that out.

[@SuiGenerisMan]

What a great idea for a channel. I absolutely love the history of ww2 behind closed doors, like prelude to war, Munich talks, "sitzkrieg", featuring high level political leaders and everyday people reacting to the onset of war,,trying to prevent it,, escape it, prepare for war.....just love that stuff but there's so little content I've found.. Impossible to search for so I welcome recommendations. Also, French occupation, French resistance and Vichy France are woefully uncovered topics in both documentary & films. Battlefield series and World at war are still the very best ww2 docs ever made imo

[@JohnnyJohnsonEsq]

Thank for you for the great feedback! My next video will be on the occupation of France so stay tuned 😊

[@rolfagten857]

@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq Dear Mr. johnson, and what about the "-Sherman -" mock up tanks from "Die Brucke" (1959) "The Bridge"

[@JohnnyJohnsonEsq]

@@rolfagten857 Good mentions! Sorry I was just trying to focus on some of the big Hollywood classics in this one. More German films to be covered in the near future. :)

[@red.5475]

The tank issue used to really bother me, when I was a kid. 😂

[@DavidCowie2022]

A lesser known Arnhem film is "Theirs is the Glory", a dramatised documentary filmed *on location, in 1946.* I'm willing to make a small wager that the Tiger tank is the real thing.

[@rijkemans5114]

What I find inexcusable for thát movie though, is that they destroyed some diesel train sets. Imagine the war is just over. The country is in ruins, a lack of everything. And a few of the remaining (operational!) train sets are sacrificed for a MOVIE.

[@douglasstreet7304]

Odd Ball, "I only ride em, I don't know what makes em work" One of the greatest lines EVER.

[@AtheistOrphan]

1950s film ‘Ice Cold In Alex’ starring John Mills not only features Germans using unmodified M3 half tracks in 1940 (before America joined the war) but also Germans using 1950s British Centurions. Furthermore a land rover (first produced 1948) features in the very last scene.

[@russellmay7347]

GD POINT and a reasonable film !! PLEASE CHECK OUT "TANK FORCE" 1950's VIC MATURE LEO GENN AND ANTHONY NEWLEY ALF BURKE AND OTHERS !! AN ON SCREEN CREDIT to CARABENIERS R.SCOTS GREYS (APOLOGIES IF IVE CREDITED WRONG REGTS!!) CLEARLY TRNG in LIBYA !! MEGA FOOTAGE of CENTURION MBT COMETS ETC BONAR COLLEANO A USA actor also stars (it took me a couple of viewings LOL...to I.D. HIM ) LEO GENN was a barrister PRE war and RA OFFR ! CHECK OUT "RED BERET " OR "PARATROOPER" with ALAN LADD ( BR. PARAS AS MAIN TROOPS AND EXTRAS) ANYONE KNOW TRNG AREAS WHERE it was Filmed ???!! Cheers guys!

[@TellySavalas-or5hf]

Yes, my friend Odball was there when we in "Kelly's Heroes" chased the German army from the Alsace region in northern France. I then received more awards than I deserved. He, He he!🏅🎖🎖

[@misterjohan4993]

In the Yugoslav partisan movie "Sutjeska" they used T-34-85 russian medium tanks to play as Tiger I tanks, they used cardboard panels to make the tanks a bit more square looking and that was it. It actually looked convincing, you couldn't tell that they were T-34-85 unless you notice the typical russian 5 wheel configuration on the tanks.

[@monolitwoods]

My dad takes all of these movies as historical fact, it was painful when he said the Bridge too far leopard "looks like a panzer"......he is very stubborn so I had to show him tonnes of photos and documents to prove he was so goddam wrong

[@rutabagasteu]

One of my uncles walked out of the Bulge movie. He was in Patton's Third Army and said they didn't just give up and walk away.

[@gregking3403]

Most of that movie was not grounded in reality. Pieper's lead panthers, not tigers, were stopped west of Stoumont on a curve. Like 4-5 panthers were knocked out in less than 1000 yards. Piper figured right then to go back to la Glaze. There's a marker there and description as the longest point reached in the battle. Fuel also was a issue. No tigers were burnt by tons of gas rolling down on them! More tank crews survived than did not. Pure BS.

[@rutabagasteu]

@@gregking3403 I was just posting my uncle's reaction. I know it was mostly nonsense.

[@napoliansolo7865]

I love this type of content. When I was a kid we used to play army a lot. I had a Mattel Thompson machine gun that you could pull back a lever and then when you squeezed the trigger it'd make a rat a tat tat sound.

[@rolfagten857]

I came across a fact, something cool. In the productions :"Force 10 From Navarone" (1978) and "The night of the Fox" (1990) we see the T-34/85 because they are Yugoslav / British productions. Not entirely wrong because the Wehrmacht sometimes deployed a captured T-34.

[@vivelarevolution2835]

movies: need tanks spain: say no more

[@falloutcosplay8802]

This is the type of video I live for I work at a military antique store and Museum and I'm always telling the boss about movie inaccuracies i studied film and television for 3 years as well

[@JohnnyJohnsonEsq]

It's a fun exercise, and for me, doesn't take away from the movies that are otherwise well produced and acted.

[@falloutcosplay8802]

@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq exactly right shows that you're learning things as well being able to point out things like buttons and vehicles because of your video I went back and watched Kelly's Heroes

[@stevemorton4593]

Watch a lot of ww2 movies growing up. Its amazing how few Sherman tanks were in all those movies even in old black and white movies.

[@TheGV50]

Great Work Johnny Johnson, I thoroughly enjoyed this video!

[@icy3-1]

Gotta admit, even the Tiger 1 mockup in Saving Private Ryan had me fooled when I was still a kid, not knowing a whole lot about the minor distinguishing features between tanks

[@cojiro9616]

By far my favorite weird tank comes from the Rat Patrol series. Not only do they have M3 halftracks dressed up as German ones, but the German's main "tanks" are M7 priests.

[@shadowtrooper262]

There are numberous Chinese civil war movies where Type 62 tanks were used to convert themselves into M26 Pershing tanks. They are actually pretty decent mockups.

[@angrysammich5762]

My grandfather commanded an M48 when he served so I cannot unsee it whenever I watch old war movies, but it’s part of the charm for me tbh.

[@colinbarron4]

Great video. I wrote a book called 'Battles on Screen', which mentions most of the films in the video so I would like to make some corrections.. Tobruk (1966) was filmed in Calfornia and Arizona. None of it was filmed in Spain despite what you may have read on the internet. Eight Sherman tanks (not four) were used in 'a Bridge Too Far'. Two of those were towable hulks ,the rest were in running condition. In addition five glassfibre Sherman Firefly replicas were used ,mounted on Land Rovers. Also used were one M24 hulk , one M47 hulk and one M10 hulk. 'The Bridge at Remagen' was filmed in Czechoslovakia and completed in Italy and Germany following the Russian invasion. However, the film crew were eventually allowed back into Czechoslovakia to film some crucial scenes. The three Tiger replicas used in 'Kelly's Heroes' were built for an earl;ier Yugoslavian film called 'The Battle of Neretva.'

[@JohnnyJohnsonEsq]

Thanks for expanding and adding to the video! I'm just an amateur war movie fan so I appreciate this. :)

[@paddycoleman1472]

The Spanish armour of the time must have spent most its life in German livery! 😀

[@johansilwouden3403]

I just watched the movie A Bridge Too Far for probably the 30th time. Always nice to see the Leopard 1's of our glorious Dutch army crossing the Arnhem bridge, shooting at the British paratroopers!

[@douglasstrother6584]

30th time ... XXXth Corps!

[@pjeng1]

I watched these tank movies back in the 60's and 70's as a kid, and I like M47 a lot because of the movie Battle of the Bulge.

[@grantm6514]

I loved these war movies as a kid, but I must admit the substitute tanks and half-tracks spoiled a lot of them for me, as did the T6 Texan/Harvard trainers standing in for just about every type of single engine fighter - suspension of disbelief is difficult when you're 14 and you know that's completely wrong. So sad that when hollywood finally got their hands on a real, original, working Tiger I, the movie they produced was complete and utter shite.

[@Brosef_Stalin]

@@myopinionbetter4287 yea movie could've been a lot more considering the cast they had, action wise I felt it looked really good with all the tracers and cool effects tho. Hopefully we get to see more of the 131 in future WW2 films as well

[@spikespa5208]

At 14 I was able to discern why they used replacements (money, availability) and just enjoyed the films. I knew that functioning Zeros, BF 109's, Tigers, Panthers, etc etc weren't exactly a dime-a-dozen.

[@DomWeasel]

@@Brosef_Stalin American World War 2 films always fall into the same traps. It's always the 'War is Hell. What the hell are we doing here, sarge?' conversation, the SS showing up like a demonic legion and an obsession with there being a last stand, no matter how illogical such a stand is, with the group of characters we've come to know getting picked off one by one.

[@AndrewAMartin]

@@DomWeasel There's also the trope of a disparate band of misfits coming together despite their differences to defeat the much larger enemy force...

[@DomWeasel]

@@AndrewAMartin While this actually happened due to the nature of conscription, bringing together men from very different backgrounds, it's really annoying when each man conforms rigidly to a stereotype; the big guy, the psycho, the cold sniper, the medic with his heart on his sleeve, the kid etc.

[@Wardads1]

As I kid in the 60s and 70s I was the armoured vehicle version of one of those train spotter dorks , along with my best friend .We knew that the "Tigers " weren't quite right and guessed at a Soviet tank chassis but weren't quite sure which one.Still we loved that movie ! My mate Rueben Connor and I always knew we were going to be soldiers but thought we would be in the New Zealand army .I was in the NZ army reserve [ Territorials "Terries "] before eventually becoming a digger in The Australian regular army and Rueben in the NZ army .We both served faithfully and honourably right up to my retirement and my mates death . Sorry for going off piste but Rueben was a brave and decent man who deserves to be remembered .

[@vampirecount3880]

Even as a 8 years old kid i could tell those Patton tanks looked quite odd in that movie. When i watched all those movies as a kid i didnt noticed any but the Pattons. I think the Patton is such an iconic american tank you cant mistake it for a WWII tank at all...

[@gaian2000]

I don't expect much from Hollywood, although computer graphics is improving the accuracy of WWII movies. What I CANNOT forgive is documentaries about WWII when the narrator describes some notable tank or aircraft and the film footage shows a very different tank or aircraft. Also, many documentaries do not include closed captioning. I lost much of my hearing in combat in Vietnam in 1968-69. It seems that many documentary film makers (The History Channel is notorious for this) don't care enough about us to provide that service.

[@nicolaandria522]

To be honest, German or Italian tanks of WW2 were almost impossible to find in running order already in the 50s, the French army used Panthers for a brief period after the war and some Panzer IV went to Siria, but as a general thing almost all were simply scrapped in the 40s apart from a small number "saved" as museum pieces. The good attempt in "Kelly's heroes" and the much less good attempt in "A bridge too far" are exceptions, the M47 was plentiful in Europe, as well as the M24, and an attempt to alter the appearance of the Patton to make it more "square" probably would have been as bad as the Leopard 1 in "A bridge too far" and too expensive to do in several tanks for mass scenes.

[@einundsiebenziger5488]

@CipiRipi00 Not to mention that Germany only built less than 20,000 armoured vehicles of all types combined (!) between 1937 and 1945, while the US produced 50,000 Shermans and the Soviets over 40,000 T-34s during WW2 alone. So German tanks had always been rare to begin with.

[@Badvibesdude]

Kelly's Heroes is a really underappreciated film in general. Great concept, well executed, and a solid cast.

[@randomobserver8168]

My fave was the use of T34s for German tanks in "Force 10 from Navarone". The producers had to do something- German iron wasn't lying around in quantity or useability anymore. More modern US tanks were big enough and intimidating painted sand or grey. I guess the producers of Force 10 couldn't afford that, and lord knows old T34s were a dime a dozen as late as the 70s. In that film, the Yugoslav partisans looked more heroic if given no tanks of their own, so what were probably Yugoslav Army T34s were repurposed as panzers. Pre-internet, only vets or the geekiest of geeks [that was me then] could tell or cared, and suspension of disbelief came easier then, at least in movies, if not life.

[@MrDgwphotos]

@@mdlbldr45 Captured tanks in German service were known as Beute Panzers. (A Bergepanther is a recovery tank based on the Panther hull.) Captured tanks were used on occasion by most armies of WW2, though less common by the Western Allies than the Soviets. I have heard of at least two Panthers used by the British, and the French did use a fair number of Panthers both during the war and after. The Soviets did use captured German tanks in quantity, and even converted Panzer III hulls into the SU-76i. Japan used captured M3 light tanks that were captured during the Philippines campaign during early 1942.

[@defender1214]

Patton: a movie about patton fighting with pattons against pattons Sounds about right

[@pavarottiaardvark3431]

Fun Fact about Kelly's Heroes: The Shermans are of course later up-gunned models, but the film cleverly heads this off by having Oddball say that they put big tubes on the tanks to make the guns look big!

[@djole93podbara]

Fun historical fact: americans used to paint the gunned-up models of Shermans (it there called firefly or something) to disguise them as regular Shermans because the germans would take out the gunned-up ones first

[@1996FordCrownVictoria]

​@@djole93podbara The Firefly was a British creation

[@darkgoth69]

Can you do one on 1960's haircuts and clothing in WW2? Lol that always gets me

[@JohnnyJohnsonEsq]

Lol that's a super funny idea

[@orange8420]

Nowdays trying use CGI but with historical accuracy Russian film espescially highly accurate i saw a movie made after ww2 ended

[@StarTrooper]

As military model builder. When they use the wrong tanks it always takes me right out of the picture. I like it when they at least try to make some modifications to try & fool people.

[@Lassisvulgaris]

I agree. Luckilly, today there are several working tanks from WWII, which have been used in movies. On the other side, animated tanks (and planes) still look fake....

[@benjaminadamonis2870]

Did anyone else see a guy that looks like gordon ramsay

[@arnarninson4413]

Even as a kid i struggled to watch these films with so many inaccuracies. Id give anything to see these movies redone in the Style of "Band Of Brothers"

[@fridayray8891]

Wow, this is how they look? My Dad would yell at the T.V. about the inaccuracies...we never got to watch them without him getting pissed.....

[@Redduck_XD]

I love the leopard cosplaying as panzer or tiger 😂

[@starwarspros7556]

The village where kellys heroes tiger scene was filmed is host of a yearly airsoft re-enactment event named after the movie, entire village is the playground. The Leopard 1 in a bridge too far was meant to resemble a Tiger II due to a real Tiger II crossing the bridge like in the movie and gave the british a hard time before driving along.

[@danzmitrovich6250]

Patton and kelly's heroes is still both of my favorite military movies at anytime to watch as well

[@codgamer]

I built Tamiya 1/35 tanks when I was 12 years old so when I watched these movies at that time, I always wondered why they don't use the real tanks. Even with the T-34/Tiger in Kelly's heros, my gut was telling me the wheels are not right, the turret is too forward! But back then I didn't know it was hard to find authentic WWII tanks. :-)

[@douglasstrother6584]

I was a Tamiya-geek, too!

[@codgamer]

@@douglasstrother6584 haha, back then it was pretty much the only entertainment during the long summer holidays for me. I remember in HK, 2 boxes were very hard to get. M113 fire support and M42 duster. When I finally found them when I went to Australia, it was like finding gold.

[@MichalKaczorowski]

The Tiger mockups from "Kelly's Heroes" was made for Yugoslavian epic war movie "Battle of Neretva" filmed at the same time. US film crew obtained three of them, added zimmerit and repainted.

[@JohnnyJohnsonEsq]

Thanks for adding this 🙏

[@alexcruse1163]

Yes, let's not forget when Patton finally faced what he had become...

[@uranusimploding9830]

I was born in 67 and grew up on these movies ....." A Bridge too Far " was the first one I saw at the theater, and then " Big Red One " at the drive in , the last movie I saw at a drive in ..... all of them were great ....."Kelly's Heroes " is my fave, Woof Woof !

[@dirufanboy1971]

Wow. The Wehrmacht was so advanced they used tanks that hadn't even been invented yet! Crafty Germans.

[@JohnnyJohnsonEsq]

obviously their time travel tech was more advanced than we realized

[@Hamchunk1968]

@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq 😆

[@azarisLP]

Everyone to Spain in the 30's: "Hey guys, can we borrow your war to test out all our tanks?" Everyone to Spain in the 60's: "Hey guys, can we borrow your tanks to shoot all our war movies?"

[@Nocturnal_Me]

8:24 "Hopefully this baby grew up to be a tanker" *Random Triceratops noises*

[@JohnnyJohnsonEsq]

lol

[@Paladin1873]

At 5:12 Karl Malden (playing Omar Bradley) is standing in a post-war Jeep. All WWII MBs had split glass windshields with square framing. This is probably a CJ3a.

[@JohnnyJohnsonEsq]

Well spotted

[@Paladin1873]

@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq I own a 1947 CJ2a. It has its original 1945 Go Devil engine (surplussed from WWII stock), but a replacement CJ3a single-piece window and rounded frame. Also, when you see the headlights on Malden's jeep, they are the postwar bug eye type, not the recessed wartime version.

[@huantruonginh2946]

There are so many more historical accurate vehicle in A Bridge too far, my favorite childhood movie, including M10s, daimler armor cars, bedford trucks and more.

[@adamrodaway9116]

Looks like there’s an M10 at 7:05

[@NotThatGuyPal.]

A fond memory of me and my dad was watching these movies and laughing at the wrong tanks being used lol

[@seocost_9829]

I loved the movie Patton, and it wasn’t about the tanks, it was how cool it was, it was just fun.

[@JohnnyJohnsonEsq]

Heck ya

[@seocost_9829]

Yeah then I would bring out my army men and play

[@ryszakowy]

this is almost poetic for movie patton to be fighting tanks named after him

[@Staravora]

Kelly's Heroes ♥ I mean like so many positive waves, maybe we can't lose