Classical Composer Reaction/Analysis to LED ZEPPELIN: KASHMIR | The Daily Doug (Episode 598)

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In this #masterpiecefriday edition of #thedailydoug, I'm going into the Daily Doug vault to access my reaction to Kashmir by Led Zeppelin. I recently reacted to the entire double album, Physical Graffiti, over on my Patreon. Here's just a taste of that full reaction. I hope you enjoy!
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[@d7l905]

What i find pretty cool with this song is that the drums are in 4/4 and the instruments are in 3/4, so that they meet in the 12th measure.

[@fredhazeltine7380]

Interesting. I had always thought of the verses as everyone playing in 4/4, in but in groupings of three measures instead of the usual four. You can count it like that as well, but I think you're right, based on where the accents fall

[@TheTurtlee1]

It's in 6/8 time over 4/4 drums in the verses

[@tamfang]

four short measures = three long measures

[@davidking6554]

It really is genius. The talent those 4 gentlemen possessed was unparalleled in rock and roll.

[@sspbrazil]

Ten Years Gone is the true epic on that album, you should do that one too.

[@Inadougadavida]

Definitely!

[@hamma4276]

Yes it is. I like it so much that I want it played at my funeral... 😉😁

[@tonyanderton3521]

The best song on the double album, imo.

[@jfxpals108]

By far. Ten Years Gone is a masterpiece, the template for Zep greatness.

[@tonyanderton3521]

@@jfxpals108 Yes, indeed. Kashmir was always the song that was pretty much everybody's favourite on the release of the album - mine, too - and maybe even for 2 or 3 decades. But, with age, the maturity of TYG has only gained in stature and in its appreciation by the fans.

[@rtrooperw8115]

One of greatest rock songs in history. People will be listening to this for centuries.

[@KaracGaltran]

When a song reaches classic status, it becomes the engine of many dreams. Another perfect song from the greatest rock band of all time!

[@tkengathegrateful4844]

"The Engine of Many Dreams" would have been a great ELP album title. :)

[@juliemanarin4127]

They say Robert sings in a different timing than the 4/4 drumming as well. Yes JPJ on the Mellatron and synth.synthetic. The drum fills are amazing as well...well it's Bonham so... 😁

[@dannyholloway2007]

This truly is one of the greatest rock songs in history. I think some of the orchestrations are Jon Paul Jones on the melotron.

[@ronaldelliott4373]

Now ya got it. JPJ on the Mellotron, middle eastern scale (not Native American) and Bonham’s single bass triplets, fills and hits behind the beat (like no one before or since) phased cymbals and snare are all impeccable. Anyone who missed the seventies, I’m truly sorry. Nothing compares, nothing. 🤘😎

[@choobachooba3140]

80's had their technical moments and power, but I do agree that 70's had that magic. My older cousins music, they were born late 50's to mid-60's, as a kid I used to sit and listen to their LP's

[@Rich6Brew]

I bought Physical Graffiti on the day of its release in the UK. Three months later I got to see them two nights running at Earls Court Arena, at the peak of my appreciation of the band. Good times. 😃

[@ronaldelliott4373]

@@Rich6Brew Right on. Was fortunate to catch them twice. Good times. Was in New Orleans with tickets where and when the show and tour were canceled. The news of Robert’s son passing ended it for many of us, who never saw them together live again. Regards

[@shanefraser7764]

Hail☝️🍺🇳🇿🤘🍻

[@brolinofvandar]

February 1975, myself and 3 friends drove around 3 hours or so up to St. Louis for my first ever concert, Led Zeppelin. We mail-ordered the tickets, which didn't come by the original scheduled date, but those dates were postponed. I remember hearing that Jimmy Page had broken a finger in a train door early on, and that might have been the delay. Being mail order, they were the worst seats I've ever had for a show. Up in one of the top rows, off to the right of the stage, slightly behind the backdrop. I watched Jimmy mostly from the back, but I could see his entire corner of the stage. Plant wandered in and out of view. Bonham I only saw through the backdrop. JPJ I couldn't see at all. Despite that, it was the best show I've ever seen. To date. And, I'd like to point out that this concert happened just before the actual release of Physical Graffiti. So, the first time we heard any of it, was live that night at that show. A show that was 3-1/2 hours long with 3 encores, the last with the house lights still up. We stood in a floor level entryway to watch that one, because everyone was leaving and the band came back out for the third encore. And, maybe because I couldn't actually see JPJ at the time, but I can still remember my reaction when they kicked into Kashmir that night. I literally leaned forward searching what I could see of the stage area, thinking to myself, "Where's they hide the orchestra?" For a moment, before I realized it was JPJ's keyboards at work, not an orchestra. That was an incredible night. No idea where we were going, just drove into St. Louis and "looked for the lights" to find the stadium. When we left, we just drove away from the traffic, to somewhere in the city, where we discovered White Castle, which none of us had seen before. Then we found our way back out to the interstate and back to Illinois. Crashed in Carbondale in a dorm room for the night.

[@Ledzepnut]

I so wanted to go to that concert, but being only 14 my parents wouldn't let me. My drive would've been about 3.5 hours as well, grew up in the Kansas City area, still live here :)

[@brolinofvandar]

@@Ledzepnut I grew up Metropolis, IL, down in the southern tip of Illinois. I was actually born across the river in Paducah, so I have a KY birth certificate, though I was raised in Illinois. Paducah was just where the good hospital was. Pretty much any venue where a recording artist might perform was generally at least an hour away. Though I did actually see Ted Nugent in a wrestling arena in Paducah sometime in 75/6. Which is a big reason why that Zeppelin concert was my first, when I was 18. And, a friend drove, I didn't have a car yet. There really wasn't any place to go, without a car and someone to drive you. I saw them again in 77, up in Chicago, the first year I was in the Navy. Slightly better seats, not quite so high up, still to the right of the stage, but at least in front of the backdrop. Unfortunately, that show aborted about 1/2 hour into it. They announced that they were taking a break and left the stage. I'm sitting there thinking, "Wait a minute, last time, they played 3 hours without any breaks. What's this?" Followed by an announcement the show was cancelled. It's documented that Page was sick that night. It's rumored that the sickness was heroin. I can attest that, for the last couple of songs they played, a roadie had put a chair on stage behind Page, and he played sitting down. However, I can also attest to the constant barrage of fireworks going off in the air, over the heads of those with floor seats. Even as Plant was begging them to stop, while pacing the stage. The band's performance started great, and quickly descended into the feeling they just didn't care anymore. So, my feeling is that Page may have been sick, but the crowd that night didn't really give the band a reason to persist, either. I did finally see Page, from in front, for a full concert, later in 85. With the Firm, in Jacksonville, FL.

[@turnsufficient4971]

Bonzo is playing in 4/4 time and the bass, strings and guitar are playing 3/4 feel timing -- it all matches up - links up -- and hits on every 12th beat during verses. It's brilliant ! ❤❤❤ They were geniuses and worked around rhythms. Bonzo played in front of the beat sometimes, on top of the beat sometimes and behind the beat sometimes - he could drive and push a rhythm. Having listened to 200+ Led Zeppelin bootlegs you will hear Bonzo do so many things -- some of his fills were insanely complex and seem humanly impossible. John Bonham and Jimmy Page recorded the drums and guitar without bass, strings or vocals. I have the recorded tracks of them doing this.

[@courtneywallace871]

As great as this song is, In My Time of Dying is my favorite song off this album. And In the Light is right up there also. One of my favorite things about Zeppelin (among many) is that so many of their songs are so eclectic, yet they all sound like Led Zeppelin.

[@sirsancti5504]

My favourite LZep song!

[@NT-fo3me]

Yep. In the Light has always been my favorite from this album, then In My Time of Dying. Kashmir is a masterpiece of course, but In the Light always appealed to me more.

[@houstongalloway6380]

Heard this live for the first time in Spring of 1975 at the Dallas Convention Center and I thought In My Time Of Dying was indeed spectacular!

[@gag7236]

Bonham was incredible In My Time of Dying, absolutlety incredible.

[@scottzappa9314]

Yes powerful song, I love drumming to it.

[@Young_Jim]

Hi Doug, it’s great to see some Led Zeppelin on the channel, big fan from the UK here, cheers

[@marcofaustinelli7010]

This song is a monument to the culture, technique and ingenuity of JOHN PAUL JONES. All the aspects that Mr. Helvering picks during this review are JPJ's doings. All of them. It would have been nicer if explicit credit had been given to this marvellous composer.

[@handsomerube]

Yes! While Plant, Page, and Bonzo often get all the flowers, it is absolutely JPJ who is responsible for bringing the sophistication to Zeppelin that carried them further than being primarily a blues-based band.

[@pauljennings7595]

Hi. I thought Kashmir was written by Page, Plant & Bonham. Do you mean the mellotron arrangement? I do agree about JPJ. A musical genius.

[@edmcgrath9950]

JPJ was always a great musical arranger, even before Led Zep.

[@hughjohnson2674]

@@pauljennings7595During this latter part of Led Zeppelins life Bonzo was usually pissed and Mr Page was addicted to Smack and 14 year old groupies, Robert and Mr Jones were basically in control. JPJ was the arranger for the band and was since the start as he was an arranger before Jim asked him to join.

[@michaeldion4855]

A masterpiece of controlled tension, Kashmir is Zeppelin's crowning glory. A unique combination of wonderful lyrics, amazing orchestration, and a otherworldly, almost orgasmic vocal performance courtesy of Mr Plant, at the height of his considerable transportive abilities. The stuff of magic, indeed. All these years later there's still nothing like it, and like all truly great art it remains timeless.

[@JD-ku6vd]

Plant’s voice is transcendent throughout!

[@MichaelNaydeck]

This is far and away my favorite Led Zeppelin track. The arrhythmic strings around the straight 4 percussion is fantastic. I also love the lush soundscape. Add in highly phased out crash cymbals and I'm just a total sucker. The transitions throughout the song are fantastic and the use of the bass trombone is extremely subtle and a fantastic addition.

[@karenward267]

This was written either during or returning from a trip to Morocco. This entire song is brilliant, and all kept nicely tight by the great drumming by John Bonham.

[@charlesmarkley220]

Bron Y Aur is also on this album. What a tremendous range of music. Incredible.

[@lyndoncmp5751]

And Down By The Seaside.

[@NT-fo3me]

Let's not forget Boogie with Stu, Night Flight and Black Country Woman. And Down by the Seaside. Little gems on an album full of big gems.

[@charlesmarkley220]

@@NT-fo3me I have listen to this album hundreds of times. Back around 1984, studying art, had a two hour painting class. Had this on cassette Walk Man, listen to the whole album while painting. Great times.

[@Weyland_Yutani_Corp]

'Oh, let the sun beat down upon my face/ With stars to fill my dreams/ I am a traveller of both time and space.' This song is so epic in scale and scope. Zeppelin at their mighty best.

[@davidhumphreys7218]

One other song comes along side Kashmir that's Stargazer by Rainbow from the album Rainbow Rising, another epic masterpiece with and eastern flavour, fantastic drumming from Cozy Powell, Dio's singing, Ritchie's guitar work plus Tony Carey on keys and Jimmy Bain on bass.

[@LazarusMP]

You really need to see the live Celebration Day performance Doug. One of the best I've seen of any song.

[@pbmailmags7488]

The most impressive thing on that song is the drum time signature is 4/4 and the strings are on a 3/4.

[@neile2001]

I can listen to Kashmir over and over - every time I listen to it I find a bit more to it. Truly a wonderful composition and performance.

[@georgedavis-stewart4225]

There's a shamanic impulse to this music, or maybe the rhythms that wind up a whirling dervish. Very skilfully arranged with a Western musical palette.

[@heinzbucksandcastle2053]

Saw this live in concert in 1977, this song stood out like no other. Incredible. That drive thru the desert in Morocco must have been frightening.

[@inogenmackenzie5397]

More like hallucinating perhaps . . .

[@666tubedragon666]

Led Zeppelin put on their big boy pants and never took them off...their final performance was Kashmir at Celebration Day when they were in their 60s epic Swan Song...more than worth checking out...mandatory

[@tomatoseed1443]

Listening to Doug's review and reading the comments is a real lesson in music appreciation. There is so much to this song that goes unnoticed to a casual listener like me.

[@dennyliegerot4021]

I was 14 when this album was released...this was the first song I listened to whenever I needed to step away for a while. Was lucky to see them in concert in 77.... I've enjoyed your channel, thanks for putting in the time.

[@gregwasserman2635]

Jimmy Page played a Danelectro guitar on this song and it really gave it a unique sound. The entire album is epic, but you really need to review "Ten Years Gone". This song is good, I mean REALLY good. If a Zep tune is underrated, this song is it. It holds a special meaning to mean as I listened to it a lot while battling cancer. I caused me to reflect on life, though it wasn't really about such reflection. Still a great song, one of their best.

[@bigfrankfraser1391]

proof the danelectro is underrated

[@KurtGAndersen]

A Danelectro guitar Page used but I think most of the unique sound came from the alternative tuning used, namely D-A-D-G-A-D

[@gregwasserman2635]

@@KurtGAndersen, no argument there. Page tinkered all the time to get something new out of his guitars. But the Dano's lipstick pickups did give a different sound than a Les Paul. I do appreciate the info on tuning. I always wonder how players get a unique sound.

[@bigfrankfraser1391]

@@KurtGAndersen dadgad was how i learnt guitar, and how both my girls learnt guitar, but then again im from the uk where its a common tuning

[@LPManic]

@@gregwasserman2635 DADGAD is a pretty typical Celtic tuning. Think Page got it from Davey Graham.

[@LuisGarcia-ee2tr]

Monumental tune and album. The sound that J.P.Jones manages to give to the keyboards is one of the most wonderful and pleasant that a rock fan can hear. It's fantastic!

[@peterstoll8366]

Hey Doug, you need to watch the live version of Kashmir recorded at Knebworth in 1979. Powerful performance!

[@asharmstrong6730]

I was there, both weeks.

[@kevinroche3334]

​@@asharmstrong6730 me too!

[@zekrk504]

Masterpiece is the right word! Thank you, Doug!!

[@keithdf2001]

I just love how Bonham is so understated yet powerful

[@Sandy-dd4le]

"It originated from playing around on a tuning I'd been using quite a bit. They call it DADGAD, it's pretty similar to a sitar tuning actually. We were doing some rehearsals, John Bonham was there, i don't know where the others were, they weren't actually there, this was at Headley Grange. I said i got this riff and he laid the rhythm on it. So you got this riff that's like, round, circling round, and this cascade that goes over the top and it hits it's atonal point, that's cool. But, y'know,(laughs) that's one of those real hypnotic riffs".... Jimmy Page

[@bethdealmeida6789]

Oh, Robert, you "take me there" every single time! Great stuff!

[@RZK1966]

This was recorded in a mansion called Headley Grange. There’s a story that during one of the takes of this a grandfather clock went off about halfway through and Bonham threw the clock down a flight of stairs.

[@markkershenblatt]

Yep. John Bonham got a killer natural reverb sound on his drums thanks to the stone walls there. I believe he recorded the drums for "When the Levee Breaks" at the top of a stairwell.

[@ThiagodMoraes]

No, this song/album was not recorded at Headley Grange. Only Zeppelin IV album, and some songs on Houses of the holy were recorded partially there.

[@TheTurtlee1]

The verses are played in 6/8 time except the drums remain on the 4/4. That's why the rhythm seems to round the beat. Matches on each 12th beat only. Pretty cool stuff and elevates Bonzo's metronome abilities. 😊

[@robertwheatley2471]

Hearing this song 48 years ago in grade school was how I first discovered the band. Couldn't believe how it sounded and was completely blown away. Probably the most distinctive and reconizable rock song ever made. Nothing before or since has sounded like it despite it being a relatively simple riff. In a way it's almost like the rock equivalent of a Beethovan or Mozart song in that it will be played and listened to 100-200 years from now and maybe longer. It's already been 50 years..

[@Wombatmetal]

One of the things about Kashmir is it covers well, by different people and different genres. Always sounds good. Really good on a string quartet.

[@juliemanarin4127]

Watch this live in 1979 in Knebworth!! Fire!! There is no way to pick a greatest album with them!

[@NT-fo3me]

"I've heard it, but it's a long time since I have." Wouldn't know what that's like 🤘

[@1planetmusic294]

Monster tune. Saw them live in 77. Lots of great comments; didn't see any about Jimmy's guitar tuning so I'll add, since it is the crux of this song: Lots of guitar articles out there about this - he was in DADGAD tuning.

[@alexdelarge8772]

From Wikipedia: Composition Page uses a guitar tuning of D-A-D-G-A-D, which he had used for the instrumentals "White Summer" and "Black Mountain Side".[4][5] The song combines different rhythmic meters: the guitar riff is in triple meter, while the vocal is in quadruple meter.[6] Plant felt that the drumming was an important component of the song and that Bonham did not overplay his part.[7] Page recorded a demo version with drummer Bonham late in 1973, when John Paul Jones was late for the recording sessions. Plant later added lyrics and a middle section; in early 1974, Jones added orchestration.[7][5] Session players were brought in for the string and horn sections for "Kashmir"[5] and Jones added a Mellotron.[8]

[@richsweeney8654]

Session players were brought in for the string and horn sections for "Kashmir" and Jones added a Mellotron. The lyrics were written by Plant in 1973 immediately after Led Zeppelin's 1973 US tour. So you were right. Strings and Mellotron.

[@testodude]

real horns on the studio recording. Plus mellotron. Amazing ear.

[@C509NorthernTerritory]

JHB's drumming is phenomenal. It's a masterclass on how to delay the beat.

[@symbiosisai]

Its ironic that they named the song Kashmir. I live in Kashmir and it is the furthest thing from a desert, with snow capped mountains, valleys with lakes, green meadows and saffron fields

[@woodywillchange]

because they never were in kashmir, and song's idea actually come to them when they were in sahara desert, if i remember correctly

[@rwv7447]

Their on a desert road on their way to Kashmir...

[@kenslater7354]

I played it live 500 times and doubt we could have ever left it off the setlist. We got gigs because of it!

[@kmajor44]

1st and foremost: I am a big fan of Doug and the Daily’s. He’s 😎. Physical Graffiti was the band’s 6th greatest hits release. I love Kashmir but really struggle with the notion that it is above (or below) any of the other tracks. Oh and, more Zep please. 😊

[@Ledzepnut]

Love the comment :)

[@marlachristensen2076]

Your comment @ 3:10, "Again, rhythmically off" - Imagine this. I saw the band 'Zebra' in East New Orleans during the early 1980s. Imagine my surprise when I saw the lead singer (three group band), Randy Jackson, singing and playing this off-beat on the guitar at the same time while singing this song. It was amazing! I mean, pat your head and rub your belly is one thing. I have never seen anything like this before.

[@pulamusic]

I read an interview with Robert Plant where he said Kashmir was his favorite Zeppelin tune. He said it felt closest to the sound he had in his head.

[@vernhoke7730]

My favorite Zeppelin song by far. Bought this album when it came out back in high school. Yes on the album it's a mellotron, I'm pretty sure. If you watch the live performance from the seventies John Paul Jones is playing the mellotron on stage. In the '06 Celebration Day show he's playing a synthesizer.

[@bethdealmeida6789]

You can lower my casket to this...Mighty Led Zeppelin

[@GrafStorm]

The truth can't be denied, Kashmir, ty Doug, good fun to listen to your analysis.

[@adhap1620]

Ten years gone, in the light Doug

[@Yupppi]

YEAAAH This is a great album. I love Houses of the Holy!

[@brianm.9062]

its the drum beat of Bonham that keeps it all together, page production at its best.

[@gbsailing9436]

Hey Doug, it's SO refreshing to see someone air drum in time! I was beginning to think that KZbin must affect the audio of posts which. makes the audio and the video out of sync by a semiquaver or two, as people who drum along seem to be always off by that half a beat, even musicians! So thank you for reaffirming my faith in the forum here. As a drummer myself, I love the way the music syncs up with the beat every 12th beat! Such a great song! However, I'd like to take you up on your claim that is not bettered on the album. I know you've probably just listened to it, but can I suggest another deep listen to "10 Years Gone". Another LZ classic!

[@offroaders123]

Came here from the Porcupine Tree C/C video, great review! Thank you for going so in-depth with your thoughts and comments on the music, it really brings out the meanings in the song, both in the literal musical sense, and also by the emotional connotations and artists' goals with the songs. If you somehow see this, please do yourself a pleasure by checking out Marco Minnemann's solo work, it's a very great listen as well! I was going to try describing his music for you, but I think having a listen will be a better experience instead, which will do it better justice :)

[@indobleh]

Headley Grange is about 2 miles up the road from me.

[@nectarinedreams7208]

Where the lamb lies down...

[@fredspicer]

The driving, repeating rhythm makes sense now that you gave the back story of them driving through the desert as inspiration for the song.

[@ingibjorggujonsdottir3760]

A true Masterpiece composition, the 4/4 and 3/4 diff playing between JPJ and Jimmy versus the mighty Bonham. Like JPJ said, ..well we meet every 12th measure..!

[@erikmaronde2244]

John Paul Jones plays mellotron and did the orchestration. He is the often unsung hero of Led Zeppelin IMHO

[@jerrykelliker1731]

Doug, you should check out a live version of this song. Nebworth, 1979. Kashmir. The best version available. They had perfected this live by then. Amazing.

[@wicky4473]

I haven’t heard this for years, really. And now, listening again here, I am totally flabbergasted at the complexity of it all. Like hearing it for the first time.

[@ScienceTalkwithJimMassa]

Jones did the arrangement for this song as he did for many of LZ songs. Kashmir is my favorite LZ song.

[@bethrappeport9381]

This and Black Dog, which also has the drumming going in and out of sync with the rest of the song.

[@johnmorgan7262]

Amazed this was not blocked.... I always felt this song best exemplified the Band. Stairway was a stand alone thing. This was right in the pocket for the band. I love both of course, but this always did something more for me.

[@Kotic1959]

Robert called this song the definition of Led Zepplin his favorite song

[@stevenseul361]

And Kashmir was one of three songs Jimmy Loves.

[@GaryHaws]

You have to listen to this live. Knebworth live 1979 and Celebration day 2007 w/ Jason bonham

[@zengjerry3824]

I really hope Doug can give their live of Kashmir in 1979 a look. Bonzo was on fire for that show.

[@luffyedits5431]

React/Analyse Paradigm Shift, or if you want the whole Liquid Tension Experiment debut album! Would love to see your thoughts on it!

[@pmar27]

Aloha and howdy. I'm six hours removed from Kentucky but loving this overdue reaction. I enjoy you enjoying my favorites.

[@isaacbobjork7053]

That double beat on the bass drum

[@briant9130]

I recall Page saying this was the piece they were most proud of.

[@ericfielding2540]

Interesting perspective on a classic song. It is different from the early Led Zeppelin songs but they came back to this calmer style in Fool in the Rain.

[@crimsonking70]

masterful Mellotron work by JPJ, blended with real strings and brass. I recommend next to do Song Remains the Same / The Rain Song for epic Zeppelin. And revisit Procol Harum (Whaling Stories, The Fires Which Burned Brightly...really juicy enharmonic pivots and twists in the chord progressions)

[@scotstevens5263]

Great song, I like the version from Plant & Page No Quarter Live just as well.

[@jazzpunk]

Love that one, too! The live version on CELEBRATION DAY with Jason Bonham is killer, too.

[@buddyhendrie6190]

The way Bonham holds this song together is absolutely incredible. It’s a lumbering beast and he’s steady as a rock.

[@lupcokotevski2907]

One of the most beautiful songs ever written, and luxuriant in Eastern influence, Laura Nyro's art pop Upstairs by a Chinese Lamp (1970) with jazz legends Alice Coltrane, Joe Farrell and Richard Davis (Out to Lunch, Astral Weeks). Its starts in Phrygian Dominant. Listen for the exotic instruments like the cimbalon. The outro jam is magical.

[@jazzpunk]

I have the Transcribed Scores of "Kashmir"... JPJ bass is transcribed in 4. Damn, if I can wrap my head around it.

[@jaybecerra]

The live version of the Page&Plant tour with the Egyptian ensamble takes this song to an even higher level.

[@halestormtv]

Les Friction did this song some amazing justice, and added their own epic orchestal/symphonic twist. Gosh I love this song.

[@ta2gypsy]

Thank you Doug. Good dichotomy as well. I too have travelled in these places back in the 60s early 70s I smell India every time I hear Kashmir

[@stevenphilpott1493]

this live on page & plants No Quarter album is amazing,more eastern in style

[@greg6L6GC]

Page uses DADGAD tuning. Also known as Celtic or D modal tuning. Two different timings going on between the guitar and drums. Once again the strings were actually a Mellotron.

[@guydelorme8641]

If you have a chance,ear the version with the egyptian orchestra,Page and Plant really enjoy mixing with the orchestra!

[@jack42011]

Page and Bonham are actually playing in different time signatures that come together everyis it 3 or four bars...creating the incredible source of unresolved tension...

[@MichaelRCarlson]

Yes the drums and the rest are in 2 different time signatures. Pretty rad.

[@renevillalobos9083]

Agree % 100 with you.

[@hackapump]

I could be wrong, but I think the ”string” parts are played on a Yamaha GX-1, the ”Dream Machine”. I know John Paul Jones was one of the very few who had one.

[@nigeljohnston2193]

Remarkable that in this song of almost ten minutes in length there's not a hint of a guitar solo and no need for one, just an amazing rhythm section at the top of their game. It's driven by that brooding, interminable riff from some deep, dark place, which occasionally breaks into a demented brassy fanfare before going back to the grinding rhythm. The way the rhythms move across each other feels to me like the layers of dust blowing through Kashmir.

[@alanroughley8319]

That tuba/brass sound is likely the slightly distorted bottom end of the bass pedals of the organ that JPJ uses for the bassline.

[@wallyman292]

The only thing consistent from a time signature/beat is the drum beats. Everything else plays around it as if it's not even there! Incredible stuff!

[@danreed5171]

Dude, Doug, If you want to hear the ------------Softest......groooviest...and stunningly wordy and Imaginative......heavenly singular............ tune? try U2---Promenade---off Unforgettable Fire

[@secondhandlyon2603]

This song has so many layers it was almost impossible to play live in the bands original configuration.

[@davidlara8905]

Great content no surprise. I would have liked a closer look at the small chord hits that accompany the recurring descending scale by the full orchestra at 4:15 . It is just a couple notes shy of a full, step by step chromatic descent and it seems to be completely harmonized which has always baffled me. Has anyone ever harmonized a chromatic scale so well? I would expect it to be far more jarring harmonically but it is a marvel and i’ve never taken the time to sit down and figure it out. Doug see what you think on the next listen because it is to me the most impressive innovation in this song.

[@TheBlibo]

Hi from the uk I just love what Zeppelin and the stones have given us just as much as my love of Bach and Mozart but what is your go to or is this dependent on your mood, for me it is one of a few tracks from the stones Love your work keep it up

[@davidschecter5247]

It's a drone for the most part, and while it's hypnotic, I think it could lose two minutes and not lose too much.

[@vassillifodaveabbott2568]

Thanks!

[@thomashiggins9320]

Try the "No Quarter" version of the Battle of Evernore, with Najma Akhtar on backup vocals. The way her voice and Plant's voice weave through each other is truly oustanding.

[@arpeggioblues5924]

Live, Plant/Page in concert at the Gorge Ampitheater in Washington state they brought in an Egyptian Chamber orchestra include Egyptian instrumentatiom.. Amazing.

[@darrellminx5459]

John Bonham digs a grove deeper than a Russian trench!