Classical Composer Reacts to Holy Wars...The Punishment Due (Megadeth) | The Daily Doug (Ep. 169)

[@kh2freek]

I would say in Dave’s defense, the vocal isn’t really supposed to be melodic. It’s supposed to sound angry.

[@hermeslepinski857]

In fact he is not a singer, he is a guitarrist that sing

[@DM-rc4yu]

He just isn't a good vocalist.

[@wind-upboy939]

@@hermeslepinski857 But there are many guitar players who can sing, e.g. Brian May, Ritchie Kotzen or Gary Moore.

[@daveassanowicz186]

Angst and cynicism

[@kh2freek]

@@DM-rc4yu Peace Sells has a perfect vocal, and it has nothing to do with how good a *singer* Dave is

[@tokyoneko23]

Dave actually didn't want to sing cause he said he couldn't really sing but couldn't find a singer so he took on the role. Honestly I love his voice it's different in a sea of same

[@MultiPolix]

Well, it's like reacting to Motorhead and saying Lemmy doesn't sing well lol Sometimes it's not about the technique, but the feels u gave to the song.

[@lucan_nn]

heyyyy i love ur pfp 🤭🤭🤭

[@fries5849]

If I remember correctly, the dude didn’t want to sing but his band members loved his vocals so he finally took the job after he couldn’t find a vocalist.

[@bilalcan2366]

I need to mention that he likes Ozzy Osbourne’s vocals much than Dave’s😅

[@mixedcryptoarts3579]

R & B maybe is more for Doug.

[@jimidave6281]

"A little bit better guitar" As a guitarist, that really jars. The most impressive thing about are the guitar riffs, solos, transitions, rhythm and the whole technicality of the guitar piece. I'm amazed that, even if you didn't like it, you couldn't appreciate it at a purely technical level.

[@hedheb2619]

who cares what some jerk thinks. It's just like reading bad movie reviews of Predator.

[@blakejohnson2206]

Yeah I'm not the biggest fan of Megadeth, but Dave's solo was clearly supposed to be chaotic and in a way, a representation of the absolute insanity of war.

[@mistermxyzptlk7841]

This is a nerds' interpretation of one of the sickest metal songs of all time. It makes sense that he wouldn't get it.

[@josephcichowski5135]

he shouldnt have watched the video

[@chrismartin500]

This is probably the best thrash metal song of all time. It you don't like it you just aren't a metal fan.

[@davek6949]

Mustaine certainly isn't a classically good singer. However, his voice fits the music, more importantly.

[@Jason17300]

He’s just not a good singer at all, by any measure.

[@Heiteinah]

The one impressive thing going on for him is how crazy are the arrangements he is playing on guitar while singing something completely different. That is the one big compliment I can give Dave.

[@geugen14]

@@Jason17300 that's actually a positive in my book, I dont feel as self-conscious and shameful when singing/humming along XD

[@davek6949]

@@Jason17300 I can't argue that but his voice doesn't usually bother me on their songs since it kinda fits for me...Sort of like early Rush when Geddy's voice was a bit screechy.

[@garymitchell5899]

@@davek6949 His voice is wrong, just wrong. It doesn't fit the songs, because 1) the songs are a total mess, and 2) he can't sing.

[@BlackDeathThrash]

Appreciate the honesty, too many reaction channels think they dare not dislike anything for fear of losing subscribers or whatever.

[@centaurus5676]

Most are fake and act like they have never heard the song before! Doug is the real deal!

[@JasonSmith-lp6wg]

@@centaurus5676 There was one classical singer who gave, absolutely, brilliant - by bluntly honest - reviews (in fact, he, probably, gave too much information), and I loved it; unfortunately, he basically, called out Bruce Dickinson for not having the best technique (which, though I love Maiden, is obvious), and was getting death threats for it. I think he quit, which is a shame.

[@daisy9664]

@@JasonSmith-lp6wg Are you talking about Zach? :) He quit because he started getting some real lawsuit treats from a very famous YT vocal couch if I'm not mistaken...

[@JasonSmith-lp6wg]

@@daisy9664 Ok, didn't know that. He was getting some pretty aggressive comments, though, from what I remember. Which coach and why?

[@cholestroll8937]

@@JasonSmith-lp6wg I'm interested too

[@dezmilad]

I'm really disappointed that Doug didn't notice marty's solos, especially the acoustic one

[@eccehomer8182]

Nor how complex some of those riffs are... harder than a lot of guitarist's solos!

[@JamesEvans-uh7nu]

He’s a Metallica fan boy

[@bobravenscraft5376]

He's not a guitarist apparently

[@bobravenscraft5376]

Flat 5. Metal. Is this New to you dude?

[@mizutsunethewaterdancer2155]

TO ME THE HIS REACTION IS JACKED UP, HE TALKS TO MUCH WHILE THE SONG IS PLAYING, HE DIDN'T NOTICE ANYTHING ABOUT ANYTHING NO COMMENTS ON THE SOLOS, HE WAS'NT COOL IN MY OPINION HE SUCKED!!!!!!!

[@ahmo2]

DOUG: Guitars not good enough. Marty Friedman: WTF?

[@scottlouissmith2382]

I agree with you!!!!

[@EbayFigureReviews]

LOL!!

[@AlexManiacDrunkard]

Only E? What about the middle part..? This is one of the all time classics! Doug..... You need to review your concepts about this song lol

[@joey_ramone_96]

@@AlexManiacDrunkard definitely, this dude is basically disappointed because a thrash metal song doesn't have the same characteristics a classical piece has, this dude could never listen to punk, it'd drive his classical brain crazy, I thought a "musician" would be able to recognise the differences between genres and types of musics and appreciate them for what they are, not for what they aren't

[@NathanaelFosaaen]

It's kinda amazing that you overlooked every interesting compositional choice they made because you're looking for key changes, and they didn't do any. Megadeth is not about the harmonic structures. It's about the specific notes, and the timing of those notes. Listen to Marty's solos. how he hits out of key notes and bends them into tune, and then how he will insert a chromatic phrase or abruptly change modes to create instability. Listen to how one iteration of a riff will use 5ths and the next will use major 3rds. They are almost obnoxiously subtle in their choices.

[@gymnassfan]

What he said.

[@Nghilifa]

I was about to mention the use of regular root-fifth powerchords and root-major third diads in the main riff, but I think that's something that's more obvious to a guitarist than Doug, who plays the piano.

[@ahmo2]

Not key changes? There is at least one in the beginning riff.

[@potorrero]

@@gymnassfan you beat me to it

[@trian796]

Dude, if you already know everything about this song then why bother watching his or any reaction? To hear him say things you already know or things you want to hear? He wasn't impressed with the song, end of story. At least he's honest.

[@GentleDemon999]

This is a pure metal anthem. The guitar solo is a powerhouse. Dave Mustaine vocals are neutral indeed, but very angry. Goosbumps, everytime.

[@trenthogan4212]

I absolutely love his vocals on this song. This is a metal masterpiece. I personally love Dave's voice; it's edgy and unique.

[@southsidemichael386]

Right??? Rust In Peace as a whole is incredible!!!

[@michaelmccoy1794]

Affirmative.

[@lfabio.n]

Agreed, but he's not into the rage Mustaine used to deliver, not his kind of music, from Rust In Peace to Cryptic Writings they made four masterpieces imo

[@Brooklyn_Ann]

ME TOO. Dave doesn't sing pretty, but he sings with passion and personality and that counts for A LOT.

[@tonyvaladez5474]

If your listening to metal looking for pop music vocals you will be disappointed.

[@swngwyrdd3552]

"I'm not a big fan of the vocals" Welcome to being a Megadeth fan!

[@albedo0point39]

Dave's personality makes up for it though! :D

[@prathikkannan3324]

@@albedo0point39 His vocals grow on u though, pretty sure anyone who listened to Megadeth at first wasnt a huge fan of his vocals, and mainly stayed for the killer drums and riffs. Nonetheless, his voice grows on u, I find myself thoroughly enjoying his vocals in Holy wars, My last words, Tornado of souls, and more :)

[@albedo0point39]

@@prathikkannan3324 oh yes, for sure. I had ‘killing’ and ‘peace’ on vinyl when they came out… always preferred Megadeth to Metallica TBH.

[@Applecornflakes]

Lmao

[@renatobosa]

Maybe for some folks... I don't agree, I like it... but I recognize and accept it's different and some people can not like it.

[@psizzle8541]

*listens to one of the greatest thrash metal songs every, performed by arguably some of the best musicians in the genre* "eh, it was ok"

[@AlexManiacDrunkard]

Lol

[@katsu395]

lol, you're right ! He can't appreciate this type of music ...

[@cvzanikos1]

Exactly!!!!

[@Krysdavar]

@@katsu395 Oh but he appreciates Metallica when it's on the same note though...(E flat is it? I forget)

[@katsu395]

@@Krysdavar no, e minor 😉

[@attattatt]

I always thought Dave's voice was perfect for their sound.

[@anthonypeterson3112]

His voice is unique, unlike Doug the critic who is just another voice that could be replaced by any other and not be missed

[@thomasc.4637]

@@anthonypeterson3112 Dude, just shut up 😂

[@mason3872]

@@anthonypeterson3112 unique does not mean good though, I love megadeth and they are one of my favorite bands and the band that got me into playing guitar but Dave’s vocals objectively just aren’t good. I can’t imagine any other vocalist working for their sound but that does not mean he is a good vocalist.

[@TheeMissingLinc]

@@anthonypeterson3112 agreed. Megadeth including its vocals is exactly as it needs to be ..

[@anthonypeterson3112]

@@TheeMissingLinc saw Megadeth 2x and their live sound is one of the best I've ever heard, after Korn who was the best. They sounded better than even Metallica, who were really great.

[@RÅNÇIÐ]

Yea, Thrash Metal as a whole isn't that harmonically complex. It's just not what the genre is about. The sauce is in the rhythms and riffs.

[@Kylora2112]

Yup. A drum coach would definitely spend about a week talking about Nick's drumming here, and yeah, thrash is all about those time/tempo changes and sick riffs. You can't approach thrash the way you would a classical piece or a pop song.

[@goncalobaia1574]

I mean, Megadeth is quite melodiously and harnoniously complex for what the genre is. Thing is it's pretty much all disguised in the low notes

[@MrSweenie]

Yep, not a genre that is suited for this format

[@Nissardpertugiu]

Riffs can have harmony value

[@Nissardpertugiu]

@Billy White Jr. agression is an intention .

[@dehypnotizer]

"A little bit better guitar" - lol, that's the biggest absurd I've ever heard. Marty and Dave are absolutely the most talented players, on top of that you talked through one of the most iconic Marty's solos. Chromatics, arpeggios, dude... Sorry, but for an educated piano player like me this album is a masterpiece (still, unbeatable).

[@matthewgrissop9408]

I'de like to see him jam like this

[@michaeldinsen7641]

Facts...Rust in Piece is masterpiece

[@PHILLY214]

They are lacking skill compared to classical musicians....bur still fire

[@benearhart1224]

I agree w.r.t. Marty Friedman. If there was anything for a classical composer to really pick apart it would be Marty's work, IMO. But, I don't think this particular tune was a good selection for this particular channel.

[@JoaoRambo]

Fact man.

[@audionci]

"And I hate to say it... a little bit better guitar" - With Marty Friedman on the lead? - It doesn't get to be much better than that :D Take a moment to actually listen to the expressiveness of those solos

[@jejeninjaki]

The expressiveness of the solos and also the riffs. That creativity is the Graal of most Metal genres

[@jonathanatkinson5256]

Quite honestly, I don’t think Doug actually listens to the solos during his reactions - he often reaches for his piano and tries to play along with them, when in my opinion they are the parts of the songs that require full attention with no interruption

[@audionci]

Well, I suppose it's like that with any other instrument... Sometimes, it just takes a guitarist to fully appreciate a great guitar solo :) Others can fall asleep :)) But Marty here is one unique player IMO And to Dave's credit, it's an art in itself to sing anything, and churn out those riffs Also, hes vocal here just fits the song's message, perfectly

[@darthchopper9016]

Doug… never did anyone understand so much and so little of metal.

[@ikon8507]

the song selection was unfortunate

[@MR-ml2po]

The guitarist, Marty Friedman, is actually quite an amazing guitarist. You should make it a point to actually look up some of his work.

[@Mountfailmore]

Not to mention he was actually in a band with Jason Becker back in the days and played on each other's solo albums.

[@Morphoidism]

@@Mountfailmore It was called cacophony, only released 2 albums, but they were great.

[@Mountfailmore]

@@Morphoidism Yeah I got both on CD. Trying to not overwhelm Doug with too much details lol

[@scottykingdavid]

Agreed. Jason Beckers other half.. Marty Friedman strangest picking style I have problems with

[@eaglewarrior8707]

@@scottykingdavid I think Marty's picking style is more of a take on Gypsy guitar.

[@aswinosbalaji4224]

Megadeth is a revolutionary band that has broken stereotypes.... Dont expect progressive metal while looking for mustaine... It is thrash pure... He is thrash metal god

[@hamesparde9888]

Yeah I did think it was wired when he implied that they were prog.

[@ayoitscat]

He's pure thrash but still very technical, although admittedly slightly less on this song

[@hamesparde9888]

@@ayoitscat Yeah like theme or not they and Dave are pure thrash. Their one of the defining bands!

[@heresjohnny999]

this is progressive thrash/speed metal

[@mak8836]

Best Megadeth line up. RIP Nick Menza.

[@michaelmiglino6512]

How can you not pickup on Marty Friedman’s incredible soloing? All three are completely insane masterpieces.

[@soulstice99]

This guy is out of his element. One of the best metal songs EVER ...period

[@fieldsofwickedness]

I agree. He’s doesn’t understand how perfect Daves voice is for this.

[@canadagoose8543]

He's also biased. He criticized Holy Wars for riding the E, but when reviewing Blackened (a song that rides the E even more), suddenly riding the E is not a big issue.

[@SHREDTILLDEAD]

Best thrash album ever. He says sharp 4 which is enharmonically correct but in music I think it is always called the flat 5 because the fourth is the " perfect fourth " it is always the same interval in the major scale and every mode of it but lydian.

[@Justin-uw3ly]

Agreed

[@rickycarter536]

@@fieldsofwickedness There is a reason why they kicked Dave out of Metallica. stop defending his shitty voice.

[@metalpalace]

I'm surprised you didn't comment on any of Marty's two guitar solos. He's actually one of the great guitar virtuosos. He does some incredibly interesting things with Melody in his two solos on this song.

[@heisenberg470]

He does not understand anything about guitar playing, simple!

[@abebrazil4309]

Often orchestra fans/players/composers (what ever) are super jealous and critical of guitar players, especially solos. You can just see it on their face.

[@scottyvand]

Marty was everything to me. I loved Dave but Marty was huge.

[@mialarssen2627]

That sounds killer: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rHq5qamOmb-ZhZY

[@mattklassen8599]

Yes it's not a proper review without addressing Marty Friedman. Especially when the review is done by a classical composer. Really is a waste to not recognize his harmonic composition in solos.

[@43captrexkramer]

First off, dude you talked through Marty's clean passage that leads us into Punishment Due, and then during his first solo. Missing out on the brilliance that is Marty Friedman, as for Dave I met him once and he spoke that way too. Which awe struck me 'cuz it was genuine and I'm considered a very angry person.

[@gridthrottle]

The best Megadeth lineup, Mustaine, Ellefson, Menza and Friedman! One of the best thrash metal you'll ever hear.

[@SeanEnginetechnology]

Amen brother.. Soo far beyond anything else I've ever heard -- they completely rocked every single time I saw them in concert!!

[@spaceman01]

You dislike the vocal part but missed absolutely genius guitar by Marty Friedman. That’s what is this album is glorious for. Tornado of souls is the best metal solo in history, no doubt

[@abebrazil4309]

Dude shouldn’t even be able to listen to tornado of souls or any other song on the album or by Megadeth in general. He’s not worthy of it. I would love to see him argue with Dave and Marty about the song, bet they would teach him some things.

[@TheBuglemouthBass]

Huge Megadeth fan here, and this is objectively one of the best songs of the classic thrash era. As others have said, thrash was not about melody...Metallica probably brought the most of it, and that's likely the reason they broke through moreso than the others of the era. All that said, thanks for the honesty Doug, I can't stand reaction channels that don't dare to speak truthfully in fear of losing subscribers. Keep on being you sir.

[@charlesburger7973]

59 years old, and I truly "discovered" thrash metal only about 2 years ago. As I have grown older, my tastes have evolved (to harder music, actually), and thrash really resonates with my soul, for some reason. However, I can appreciate any good music, including classical pieces. But, the bottom line is, musical tastes evolve or change, and this kind of music is an "acquired taste", like coffee, which I hated at first, but to which I am now addicted.

[@michaeltravis8749]

If it wasnt for Dave Mustaine there wouldn't be a Metallica they stole daves music and that was what made Metallica

[@SoloDallasII]

"thrash was not about melody." Well, that explains why I don't like thrash, then. Props for being honest.

[@biscobisco1882]

Thrash is loaded with melody - it's just carried by the guitars far more than the vocals. If you think this song isn't melodic - what would you call the very first riff Dave plays? The triplet melody that Doug mentions over the first riff? Either of Marty's solos, or the riff underneath the second? The "waaaage the waaaaar" riff? All loaded with melody!

[@EgoChip]

Um... Anthrax?

[@glenjamin2703]

I think the most impressive part of this song is how Dave is able to sing while playing the verse.

[@zimbabaloooba]

It's extremely hard to play this song. Technically, it's incredible. Mustaine's vocals are unusual.

[@rgp1973ar]

This guy talks the entire song, you can't comment a song if you don't listen to it.

[@djek1976]

Hard to listen to also

[@rusherdasher8826]

Bruh I can't believe anyone can play and sing this at the same time. It's nuts

[@zimbabaloooba]

@@rusherdasher8826 i know......insane.

[@realobama1100]

@@rgp1973ar I agree dave mustaine should leave Megadeth and join the opera

[@farn451]

Takes a while to get into Dave's voice. He's not a singer he's a deliverer of lyrics and attitude and sometime there's a note in there... Shot the video in a metal walled warehouse in a Texas summer, too hot for shirts!

[@BlackRoseImmortal]

Yeah they mentioned that in the Rusted Pieces video. They started out fully clothed but they said after a couple hours of shooting it shot up to over 100 degrees in there.

[@jeffreycollins7297]

Deliverer of Lyrics and Attitude. Sounds like a tagline he should have on his business cards. :D

[@VegaMyster]

He'd probably enjoy some of the songs off of Youthanasia a lot more than this, Dave's vocals as a whole remind me of someone playing a character and I've appreciated it more as times gone on because he sounds like no one else.

[@pendleeldnep]

@@VegaMyster exactly - he's an actor - if we're measuring theatre then he's as god as Bruce in delivering a story.

[@coryb2173]

Perfect description of Dave’s vocal duties!!

[@vincebaker2754]

I think Dave's voice goes very well with the music. Couldn't imagine anyone else singing for Megadeth. But if you want melody, great guitar work, and awesome vocal range you need to hear Question of Heaven by Iced Earth.

[@hugolafhugolaf]

The more vids I watch, the more I want to have a beer with Doug.

[@werc85music]

Same!

[@gamleskalle1]

Herbal tea for me

[@bghammock]

At the piano, please!

[@phred23]

Beer, whiskey, just about anything drinkable would work.

[@hugolafhugolaf]

Sounds like Doug needs to make it happen!

[@TexasGuitarist]

When I saw you were doing this song, my first thought was that it wasn't going to be a positive review from Doug. He just hears things in a much different way. Chord progressions, harmonically rich orchestrations, and Melody. Lastly, he pays attention to the time signatures. While this song is mainly in 4/4, or all In 4/4, it has a lot of quirky rhythmic twists and turns, but that's not what Doug's focus is. Also, speaking of the vocals, I think James Hetfield said it best. The vocals and thrash metal are not a melodic instrument mainly. They're a rhythmic instrument. Thrash metal guys are always going to get a lot of that. Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, early Metallica, they all treated their voice mainly as another Rhythm instrument with words. Later on in their career a lot of those guys are singing more melodically, but they really didn't worry about Melody too much. Kind of like punk rock.

[@YannickTMessiah]

@@markjohnston3790 Even though, many of the Anthrax songs don't have much melody in the vocals, like in other thrash metal bands. It's not because he can't deliver, he can and he eventually does, but it's the songwriting approach that is different. It's a thrash metal thing really, it's the genre, not the singer.

[@Nghilifa]

@@markjohnston3790 Yup. Joey cannot be compared to the other thrash metal vocalists at all. He's more like Bruce Dickinson in that regard. Joey is an actual SINGER, whilst the other guys "just make do" (not that I don't like 'em, but like I said earlier, they cannot be compared to Joey Belladonna).

[@АндрейШешуков-с7ф]

It might seem strange but I hear the melody in this song !

[@JacobBailey]

Bruh. For me this is not only the best metal song ever written, it is one of the top songs of any type ever written. A total masterpiece!🔥🔥🔥

[@MechanicalRabbits]

On videos like this you can tell he's not a guitarist, I love his insight on harmony on songs where that's a main focus, but he always glances over guitar solos and pays little to no attention to what they're doing. With me they're always at the center of my attention when listening to music, hence why I love Megadeth hahaha

[@sethkaicer319]

It's okay if you don't like it Doug. That's the beauty of the show man! Varieties of spice of life everybody.

[@FeroVlkolinsky]

I think this was not a good proposal and thus the whole reaction is poor. I could've just watch the original video, there's simply no added value from Dough in this video as he does not know what to look for in this kind of music. Compared to Maiden videos, this is dull.

[@sethkaicer319]

@@FeroVlkolinsky this was not of my choosing my friend. Doug granted my request for Queen and Yngwie I never asked him for Megadeth!

[@phatagorva6076]

To be clear. Whole rust in peace album is guitar masterpiece. Marty's solos are stunningly beautiful, complex and fit's to song. Holy wars is metal standard, as are so many other songs from this album.

[@CompleteProducer84]

The honesty goes a long way. Biggest turnoff for a reaction channel is when the reactor is in love with every single song they hear. I love Holy Wars (though I am not the biggest fan of Megadeth as a whole), but I can understand it not being for everyone

[@DeckardRJ]

Agreed!

[@dr.phibesinred6066]

A lot reaction videos are just fake. Most of the people have heard the songs before, but then they act surprised to get a positive reaction from the viewer. There's that hip hop guy who's always freaking out to every metal song like he just discovered a cure to save the world. Doug knows what he's talking about and he says what he thinks, not acting and faking around.

[@FeroVlkolinsky]

Thrash as a genre is not for everyone - as well as any other extreme metal subgenre (which thrash was first in the line of many). They all possess their own riffing styles, drumming styles and especially vocal styles. All of that creates a subgenre. If you expect melodic singing - no extreme subgenre will fit your ear. Dough as a classical music lover is not going to appreciate music whose main purpose is to be fast and aggressive. He's always looking for the classical harmonies and changing keys - thrash is simply not the genre using these techiques alot. You'll gonna hear a whole lot of open E 16th notes all over the genre, which is just boring for Dough and I understand why. One really needs to find its way to this kind of music or skip it completely. I remember very well how much I hated the early death metal and even most of simplistic thrash over Maiden back in 80s, I always found love with these genres when most techically skilled bands caught my ear - and Megadeth was my way into thrash with So far, so good ... so what?

[@TheAbsorbant]

I think you're missing a lot of the finer points of this song. You're focusing solely on chord analysis, which really isn't the point of thrash metal. You completely missed how rhythmically complex the song is. You missed the fact that the riffs keep going back and forth between playing fifths and thirds (the latter being really unusual in metal at the time). Another big point is you keep going on about there not being much melody in the vocals (which I disagree with, I'll agree Dave's timbre isn't for everyone, but the song is plenty melodic), but you talk over both of Marty Friedman's amazingly melodic solos and don't give his very uniquely melodic and vocal-like guitar style a second glance. I almost get the feeling that you were expecting not to like the song and therefore didn't give it the same attention you do other stuff. Rhythm is at least as important as harmony and melody, especially in metal, and disregarding it doesn't make for a very interesting analysis. I usually like your takes in these reaction videos, especially of prog rock and prog metal, but I seriously think you dropped the ball on this one.

[@sneepers1005]

Your comment is right on point you nailed it perfectly some people just have a way of breaking things down and when I read your comment I was like yes that's it that's the comment

[@emarquez8604]

Get over it. Dave is the most overrated guitar player ever and this dude just exposed him.

[@TheAbsorbant]

@@emarquez8604 How is missing every single aspect about the music but chord analysis "exposing" anything at all?

[@emarquez8604]

@@TheAbsorbant he exposed Dave as being boring and one dimensional as a guitar player. Face it Dave is all speed and he still wasn't even the fastest. I'll never forget an interview with napalm death and one of the band memeber was talking about how fast they are and then he looked at the camera and said, "sorry Dave, it's just not fast enough."

[@TheAbsorbant]

@@emarquez8604 Megadeth's riffs were often about unconventional rhythms. Not to mention the fact that Dave used thirds in his power chords in a genre that was all fifths. To then talk over Marty's beautifully crafted melodic solos saying there's no melody shows how clueless Doug is to anything but chord structure. I'm not being a Megadeth fanboi and there are many bands I'd rather listen to, I'm just saying he seriously botched this analysis.

[@nunomachado2110]

This song could have been written today. Masterpiece ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

[@Mantis.Sartinoli]

"There's not a lot of melody in the voice" you just described most thrash metal xD

[@Qthetar]

This guy thinks it’s pop 😂

[@Mantis.Sartinoli]

@@Qthetar to be fair, he hasn't been exposed to metal that focuses on rythm, with little to no melody like thrash and death metal...and melody is not something exclusive to pop either...

[@Qthetar]

@@Mantis.Sartinoli but he expects a lot of melody in his voice wtf 🤦‍♂️. It’s the message of the music, imagine if Justin Bieber singing this song, it wouldn’t fit the song, melody doesn’t make better songs, if something is meant to be a certain way and it’s done masterfully then there is no reason to add stuff that will ruin and make it sound weird. I can’t imagine Iron Maiden singer singing this serious song, it would sound weird and wouldn’t fit the music at all. Also the fact this clown thinks he can play this song in his guitar 😂. It’s a technical albums with advanced rhythms.

[@Mantis.Sartinoli]

@@Qthetar normally in almost any type of music, people would expect melody from a singer...we can argue that Mustaine is no singer because he doesn't really sing, at least not in this song...I agree with you in the fact that no one can sing Megadeth songs but Mustaine, but at the same time you gotta understand that there are many people that don't like his voice and his way of singing...and that's fine, not everyone has to like everything, I know I certainly didn't like Megadeth the first time I heard them because of Mustaine's voice and now I love them and I think his voice is key to their sound. I missed the guitar part you mentioned I guess. And I think that the clown part is unnecessary, the guy's just being honest, he can't please everyone and I'm sure he knows that...

[@Mantis.Sartinoli]

@@Qthetar also, I haven't seen him play guitar but there are plenty of people who can play this song in the world, and that doesn't take merit away from Mustaine or Friedman for composing it and being able to play it...

[@jordanmaiden0073]

I respect that you keep it real and don’t sugar coat your thoughts. I can totally see why this song doesn’t do much for you. From a guitarists point of view, the rhythm playing and Marty’s solos are nothing short of incredible and they’re considered legendary licks in the metal world. Try to pay more attention to the way Marty phrases and bends his notes during solos. He’s one of a kind.

[@hamesparde9888]

I love Marty's stuff but I'd also like to point out that in my opinion Chris Poland is actually really really good too. He's definitely got a different style but the way his solos on the second album just seem to "flow" to smoothly is pretty cool.

[@mialarssen2627]

That sounds killer: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rHq5qamOmb-ZhZY

[@keithvnumber1]

You said it better than I could.

[@alangregg5520]

His judgement is clouded by personal prejudice and Metallica bias. Simple

[@dieguito1683]

@@alangregg5520 his judgment is based off him being a classical composer lmao

[@SkyblueHippie]

I cannot for the life of me imagine anyone else being the vocalist for Megadeth. This band is just different, and the guy himself is a genius. You need to look from a different perspective when listening to especially the earlier albums of this band.

[@LordBaktor]

Constructive criticism: When analyzing Thrash Metal, focus on the syncopation and not the harmonies.

[@briansullivan3424]

Talk during the verses, and listen during the solos... that's where the real magic is. Friedman has some incredible links in this tune, and even Mustaine sneaks in one with some insanely fast bends and pull-offs. That's what thrash is about... riffs, drums, and solos

[@m.vondrake5534]

Dave Mustaine will be the first to tell you, he's not a vocalist.

[@astro2691]

No he'll be the first to tell you he IS a vocalist, not a singer.

[@pendleeldnep]

@@astro2691 yep - language/definition is important here.

[@joelmacdonald6994]

Yet it still fits. Plenty of metal singers are not fantastic singers, but their voice works. Heck, I don’t think Ozzy is that great(in the singing way), but he knows how to use his voice perfectly. Love his artistry. Tom Araya never “sings”, but he is perfect for Slayer.

[@m.vondrake5534]

@@joelmacdonald6994 Ozzy is ok. He knows what he can and cannot do. He has some iconic qualities. That downward vocal slide like you hear in Mr. Crowley for example. His other major quality is his structuring. While he doesn't write many of the songs or music, he knows how to restructure them for his style and best effects... Your point is well taken regarding Dave and Tom too for that matter.

[@joelmacdonald6994]

@@m.vondrake5534 being a vocalist first is something that some can’t manage. They try to sing, but it just doesn’t fit. Both have their place. Might be an unpopular opinion, but I love Myles with Alter Bridge, can’t stand him with Slash(save for a few songs). His cover of The Trooper was great. The guy can sing like hell, but he doesn’t always get it right.

[@phillipweber6059]

5:19 "Waaaaaaage the waaaaaaar....." That vocal line still gives me goosebumps every single time I hear it. While Mustaine admits himself that he's not a singer, that vocal is perfect for this song. Btw, the mid section of this song (which begins with that line) is based on the comic book "The Punisher" "Some people risk to employ me Some people live to destroy me...."

[@kennyobrienaiti]

Can't believe someone would be some ambivalent about one of the greatest songs of all time. From the moment I heard it 30 years until now, a song of the highest quality.

[@Ebbywebby]

Can't believe someone would assume it's "fact" that this is one of the greatest songs of all time.

[@DreadPirateBob]

Not even one of the greatest Megadeth songs. Cool jam though

[@atomicvinylreviews3420]

Wow. There's something surreal about a metal masterpiece like that just flying over someone's head like that...

[@mrmanju6989]

The riffs, especially the verse while he sings are insane. The slight variation and variety within the intro through the verse was insane. It went unmentioned bc the song stays in E though....cmon brah. There was loads good about this song to talk about. The song is all about the guitar riffs. There's like 17 riffs or somethign insane in there

[@DominicAirola]

This song has so many subtle and unconventional techniques on guitar that really make it. Small details of harmonics places in riffs, the syncopation of notes, etc, not to mention Marty being one of the most harmonically advanced guitarists in metal at the time, managing to make Dave’s relatively static riffs have flow and emotion over them.

[@HurtboxTV]

The highlight of the album was really Marty Friedman, the guy who did the two guitar solos. He wrote some fantastic stuff on Rust in Peace. Tornado of Souls, Five Magics, Hangar 18, and Lucretia are my personal favorites off the album.

[@sophiaperennis2360]

No, he wasn't. Mustane wrote most of the album and Elfman wrote the rest. Both were writing good songs before Friedman joined in, and even though Megadepth declined (as do most metal bands), some ok song writing still happens while Friedman became a clown.

[@josephtamborra1321]

@@sophiaperennis2360 Danny Elfman didn't play in Megadeth. I think you're confusing him with the bass player, Dave Ellefson. ;)

[@JohnLRice]

Agreed! 👍

[@themechanix8804]

Marty just wrote the solos, the album was completely done when he joined. Of course hes one of the reasons why Rust in Peace is so great, but if he hadn't joined the band I believe the album would have the same impact even with another guitarist like Chris Poland or Dimebag.

[@da9pauly]

The songs were written before Marty was hired. He had to learn the songs to lay down the tracks for recording but everything was written on that album before he joined Megadeth. Marty actually had a tryout scheduled with Madonna but tried out for Megadeth just before that tryout was and got hired for Megadeth.

[@sailgoal]

Megadeth She Wolf live is one of the greatest underrated metal songs of all time. The guitar harmonies are amazing and the drum solo is amazing!

[@andrewawakened628]

Interesting that you don't seem to be able to appreciate the song for what it is. I mean, I've been blessed to have had the opportunity to have had a dinner at one of the most exclusive restaurants in New York City and I thoroughly enjoyed it, but at the same time I am still able to thoroughly enjoy a simple burger and fries. And its the same for me with music - I enjoy this song as well as songs that are infinitely simpler and more complex.

[@davidtheloafward]

Appreciate the reaction, Doug. Very refreshing to hear you dislike things instead of dishing out constant praise as some other YT creators do. Megadeth and other thrash bands have always been about aggression and energy rather than melody, and while I like that, I can completely understand why others might not.

[@tobywoodard7]

Wow. I have always found this song one of the most moving, powerful, emotional, and musically interesting I have ever listened to. Certainly one of the best from Megadeth and metal in general. I just don't understand how one so-called musical professional can have one strong take on this song, and another, just the opposite. Oh, well... each to his own. I will continue to rock on!

[@huseynaliyev538]

Sir, this is not progressive metal. so you don't listen to Opeth, Tool, Dream Theater or etc, don't expect anything like that. This is Thrash metal and this band is one of the best of this genre, even the best in my opinion. As an Opeth fan and Prog metal listener, I didn't like Megadeth at first but after listening to them for a while I realized what a great band they are. Maybe Dave's vocals is not great but it fits band style very well and his riffs and songwriting are just amazing.

[@josephlicano8701]

Totally agree! I love melody, and prog like yourself, and I always enjoyed megadeth but it wasn't after really getting into the catalog and after I got a little older that I grew to cherish megadeth to the point that they're one of my favorite bands of all time. They are one of the greatest thrash bands ever.

[@Capitaomac1]

I would say Megadeth is one of the few progressive thrash metal bands.

[@KabukiKid]

Yeah, thrash seems not to be his taste... that's understandable. It surely isn't for everyone.

[@marcello9476]

i would say that, megadeth was definitely progressive thrash, especially when this song was written

[@biscobisco1882]

Megadeth is absolutely progressive in its approach - they may have a thrash 'sound' and not a typical prog 'sound' (no synth, operatic vocals, etc.) but their song structures, the soloing, odd time signatures, etc. are all there and they're all progressive.

[@RogerSullivanNOLA]

One of the greatest metal songs, IMO. Mustaine's vocals are an acquired taste.

[@Marionettetc]

I'm a huge megadeth fan and have been for a long time, and also went to school for music and I appreciate your take on the song. A lot of comments are butt hurt you're not worshipping the song, but I find what you do point out to be very interesting. It's a very unique look into how a classically trained musician hears something he's not very familiar with. You focus on the concept, lyrics, image choice over sections, key and time signature changes etc where as metal fans focus on song dynamics. You're allowed not to like music, everyone is. I still find your insight to be very valuable.

[@Mr-mopar]

Best metal album every made IMO….sounds as fresh today as it did when it came out.

[@AlpInceiplik]

...and RIP for Nick Menza. He was so underrated.

[@Saxby8six]

one of the best ever

[@neoneherefrom5836]

And there’s underrated guy

[@fretbuzzly]

This is not only one of Megadeth's best songs, this is a top 10 all time metal song. I've always described this song as "thoughtful". Yeah it's fast and in your face, but it's musical complexity is just amazing.

[@mattvideoeditor]

This track is about rythm, not melody. However I must point out that Dave wrote beautiful harmonics in his later works like Youthanasia or Countdown to Extinction albums.

[@iceblade019]

Yeah, songs like A tout le Monde and Trust are pretty melodic

[@Brooklyn_Ann]

Youthanasia is so criminally underrated as an album.

[@F1stzz]

@@Brooklyn_Ann which is Dave's personal favourite one.

[@mattcasey3779]

I’m a Megadeth fan, and one of the biggest reasons is because I was a fan of Marty Friedman before he joined. Marty’s solos on Rust are great. His solo on Lucretia is probably my favorite.

[@cjbrewer3843]

Man, I watched some of your other reactions and felt you had some interesting insights, but I feel like in this video you came across very condescending to a heavy metal mainstay (I'm not even a fan of Megadeth really). They've been around for decades, still selling out massive shows around the world and you dismiss this song (easily one of the band's top 3 songs) because of your limited knowledge of the genre. As a composer I would expect you to be analyzing the total package of the song and how it works instead of keying into small areas that you don't like. All I ask is that you look at the entire piece. And a helpful hint? You come off very elitist and prude when you do metal and spend the majority of your reaction figuring out the key. The key is the least interesting part of any piece.

[@josephramone5805]

Well-said!!

[@biraoliverio]

The current Megadeath guitarrist is Kiko Loureiro, he started his career with the Brazilian band Angra playing a mixture of power metal, classical and Brazilian music, a song that I recommend hearing from Angra is Holy Land from the album with the same title.

[@julien2231]

I can understand your point. However i disagree about the vocals, i think his voice fits the music and the themes. Maybe give them another shot or two?

[@mattvogler3844]

Doug will never understand. He's not one of us. He never will be. He's from an entirely different world. Many of us came from broken homes. Alcoholic or drug addicted parents. Abuse survivors with anger issues. Thrash metal spoke to us. It does not speak to Doug.

[@abebrazil4309]

This is true but also I think anyone with an ear for music would say this is a very good song at the lowest. This guy is very biased and talks of metal as if it’s orchestra music. Talks over best parts of the song, says it’s not melodic, says the guitar isn’t good, says the singing isn’t good, genuinely isn’t interested. This guy is just a narcissist, unable to look at things from other perspectives. I don’t think anyone should really take his word on if a song is good or not. It’s like a boxing coach criticizing an mma match because he doesn’t understand takedowns, submissions, ground and pound, elbows, knees, kicks. This is literally the only review of this song I’ve seen on KZbin that was negative.

[@Digital_PeterGriffin]

Doug has some bad takes in the video, but please get over yourself

[@mattvogler3844]

@@Digital_PeterGriffin Says the hypocrite

[@KyleJPie10]

@@abebrazil4309 "This is literally the only review of this song I've seen on KZbin that was negative." That's because Doug has built his channel on being authentic rather than pandering to people that just want everyone to think their favorite songs are all sunshine and rainbows like you. I love seeing all of the pretentious Megadeth fans in the comments here trying to convince themselves that the band is somehow beyond Doug's understanding of music. Megadeth has always catered to kind of a niche crowd within the metal community, and they've never really been a band that transcends those boundaries despite trying to in the 90s. It is what it is, Doug doesn't like it and doesn't have to.

[@Digital_PeterGriffin]

@@mattvogler3844 “Megadeth saved me 😫. You guys just don’t get it like I do 😖😫”

[@mlwsf]

Director: "alright guys. Lose the shirts. This is serious business."

[@herculesbrofister265]

On the home video they said it was filmed in an airplane hangar and was over 100 degrees in there. Marty or nick drank one of those huge jugs of Gatorade and didn't piss once, according to dave

[@daveassanowicz186]

@@herculesbrofister265 it was Nick

[@dylanstankewicz850]

I guess they needa sell Skinny Jeans and Baby Oil

[@ebguitarist375]

we need Change of Seasons by DT, 23 mins you know what that means when DT does that... ;)

[@bigstam1234567890]

exactly

[@futurewavecs]

Great song.

[@ttaz5397]

Both versions!

[@esegueojogo]

I'd even make a "caipirinha" to watch that reaction

[@matthewdrews]

He should make all Fridays DT Fridays. Would be the best way to start the weekend.

[@ksduathlete]

I remember buying this cassette tape. I was a Metallica guy. I wanted to not like it but I loved it. Yes people want the power in their music . I still do and I’m 53 now

[@SeanEnginetechnology]

Yep, had the tqe worn out Soo quickly, had to finally get the CD, a couple of times..

[@Nihilitia70]

I figured that he wouldn't like this. He would probably like or appreciate some deeper cuts more like Good Mourning/Black Friday, Bad Omen, In My Darkest Hour, Captive honor, etc

[@runescapewarrior66]

Oh man, sad that in my darkest hour is a deep cut, I think that's my favorite song by megadeth.

[@Trygvar13]

I wasn't a big fan of Megadeth in the 80's but over time I came to like them much more than Metallica. Dave's technical skills are out of this world. I still can't do his spider chords after 30 years of constant failures. I'm a bass player but I also like playing guitar now and then. My favourite bassits are Steve Harris, Geezer Butler, Geddy Lee and Jason Newsted.

[@DM-rc4yu]

Well the fact you're a bass player kinda explains it. Mustaine isn't that amazing.

[@PgsKb]

Steve harris is the man

[@Sklen34]

No Cliff Burton???

[@Trygvar13]

@@Sklen34 I do like him but Jason Newsted was my favourite. He is so underrated.

[@inspectorbudget]

@@DM-rc4yu I bet you are tho

[@williamconrad4176]

your videos are great... i love this song, it takes me back to middle school and what i was headbanging to back then haha i wish you would talk about the rhythmic aspect and about the DRUMMER more often in your videos... this drummer is so good and so talented... maybe next time haha also... you need to react to PHISH... i'll post some recs...

[@metalpractor5150]

Amazing. You could be musically literate but not esthetically inclined to the art of music. Are we all idiots, thinking this is a masterpiece? You have to step out of the orchestra pit and into the mosh pit to appreciate this. It is not Neanderthal either though it is aggression through the esthetics of heavy, fast, and distorted sounds. Dissonance and gruff vocals sell the sensibility of angst, while clear vocals would only be reflective. To be a fan of realism and then review impressionist art takes a sensibility that some art connoisseurs don’t posses. Monet sucks because he used basic markings without extreme precision or detail is a criticism that falls embarrassingly flat. Don’t tell me about “only staying in the key of E”, when you have all this brilliance going on. It’s nice to be honest with your own perspective, but “I really don’t mind if you sit this one out.” Good channel though.

[@bobmoretti4893]

Spot on, brother. I wish I could've said what you just said.

[@sayanmandal2246]

Extreme metal is not everyone's cup of tea or coffee, whatever their preference. Doug is a connoisseur of harmonies and melodies. He does not understand the complexities involved in heavy music. Like I remember him liking the acoustic version of Demon of the Fall by Opeth while his reaction for the original studio version was bland. He was instantly put off by the heavy guitars and of course the growls. But then again we should not blame him. The same thing would happen to us (metal lovers) if we had to react to most modern pop music.

[@metalpractor5150]

@@sayanmandal2246 I understand what you are saying and I didn’t mean to offend, so much as to put him in check. He directed some potent critical reviews toward Mustaine and megadeth. I felt it to be a disrespectful. Famous people should not be targets for flippant statements regarding their livelihood, nor should anyone else. He has influence on people as he claims musical expertise. We have to be careful with our opinions and very capable of stepping out of our bounds to wheel our expertise.

[@reganmusicnz]

@@metalpractor5150 meh, not really. People will like or dislike megadeth regardless of what Doug thinks lol

[@sayanmandal2246]

@@metalpractor5150 No no brother. I wasn't offended. I actually agree with you. And your point about his influence on people is true. His words will negatively influence the people who are getting into Megadeth and thrash metal in general. But yes, Doug should have been more sensible and used better statements. He was too judgemental imo.

[@chriscampbell1342]

I really appreciate the honest reaction. This is the first time I’ve ever seen a reactor honestly admit they didn’t love a song. No need for anyone to be offended. Thanks for being real, Doug!

[@sergioboccia6020]

The guitar parts are pure diamond here. The quality here is not in the macro structure, but in the details.

[@erikkoszta7160]

I never understood why everyone thought Dave was a bad singer. I think he has a very good voice and is one of the most unique voices in the whole metal world! When I started listening to their music, I didn’t think at all that everyone had such a bad opinion of their voice. It was sad to face this at the time. Dave is one of my favorite singers!

[@danielsantiago7680]

Well look at it this way, does he sound good with his music, oh yeah, but could he really sing anything else? Not really, he sounds good but that doesn't make him a good vocalist, on the guitar though, he is GOD!!!!

[@JohnDemetre]

Rick Beato just called “Never Gonna Let You Go” by Sergio Mendes the most complicated pop song ever. I’d love your take on its structure. Loving the channel!

[@Yupppi]

This is one of the key albums of metal music in the 80's-90's, incredibly influential to almost all metal guitarists. Marty Friedman really did something unique on the leads of this album (perhaps better shown in some other songs). He had a lot of japanese influences growing up in Hawaii and playing more folkish music. He combined those ideas with the angry metal base and his very interesting rhythmic flows on guitar, it's really rare to hear someone play guitar like that. I recall his style emulated some other instrument in that style of music he listened to, I just forget which. Regarding Dave's voice, it's like most metal bands: didn't have a vocalist, had to do it yourself. I guess a lot of it is also how difficult the riffs are to play so even if he was a good singer, he was limited in what you can pull off doing at the same time. It's 100% an acquired taste. You have to fall in love with the music and then your Stockholm syndrome gets strong enough that the vocals just belong in the songs like that. They're not good but they belong there and it wouldn't be the same done another way. I think you should maybe do A Tout Le Monde by Megadeth, give them another chance and see a completely different face. After those most intense energetic youth years, going from political commentary and anger to loss and saying goodbyes to loved ones. You might find it worlds more interesting in every measure. Composition, performance and vocalwise. It's emotional and even has acoustic guitar. There's also a later rerecorded version in different tuning and a female vocalist (amazing vocalist too, Christina Scabbia).

[@guitarforall]

maybe he talks through the good parts to not admit how good it really is

[@YannickTMessiah]

It's unreasonable to say "there are better guitars" when you simply ignore them (or what's great about them) and talk on top of the solos (!!). There are different approaches, sure, but in what Megadeth's attempts to do there is simply no better than them. That was an unfortunate comment, honestly.

[@verumterrae3322]

Yeah not a ton of guys better than Marty at the time...

[@themrl456]

Yeah, Doug’s focus is generally on the song structure and tonal elements. He pretty much overlooked the surgical precision in this songs execution.

[@SouradeepSBK]

His bias was showing. Ignored 3 great Marty solos and when Dave is shredding Pentatonics he says it's static in Em.

[@E123-z5g]

Some comments talk about being honest. I don’t think the point is about being honest, it’s about analyzing the art from the correct perspective. This video is like analyzing a painting by Van Gogh using the academic parameters of his time or having a death metal fan analyzing a slow jazz standard. One needs the correct experience, knowledge and background in the specific field to analyze a piece of art. This song is a masterpiece in its style/genre and all its elements (voice and instruments) serve the song perfectly.

[@rasmusolesen5307]

Dave doesn't sing. He "snarls" ;)

[@bman8366]

Yup, I think that sums it up perfectly! :-)

[@Umbra_Nazgul]

@@bman8366 you guys are pathetic.

[@JohnLRice]

If a honey badger could sing and was in a metal band, it would likely sound similar to Dave Mustaine?

[@inspectorbudget]

Exactly. People expect singing from him. His music doesn't require singing per se. The snarl fits perfectly to their attitude & subject matter.

[@inspectorbudget]

@@JohnLRice People said the same shit about Geddy Lee.

[@lorenzofranco3814]

Next time..."Symbolic" by Death. Highly recommended! Cheers!

[@potorrero]

Hell yeah. That will knock his socks off. 😄

[@josephlicano8701]

One of my favorite albums and bands ever! It's got plenty of melody and most important plenty of balls!

[@jashinacolyte4277]

@@potorrero no he won’t he’ll figure out a way to bitch about the vocals or that there’s not enough melody or that there’s not enough key changes

[@trev6783]

Dave's got one of those voices that you may not like at 1st, but at some point, some song will pull you in and you become addicted to it.

[@marklund9718]

King Diamond…anything off “Abigail”….I’d be interested to hear Doug’s take on his vocals. I’m a fan way back from his early Fate days and I love it. However, he is polarizing with my other metal friends .

[@JT40_]

A mansion in darkness!

[@Nissardpertugiu]

For the thing its very very complicated melodically speaking

[@YannickTMessiah]

YES

[@MrDantres]

Oh yes! King Diamond was an endless pit of creativity and excellence back in the day! Doug should definitely visit at least his golden trilogy Abigail, Them, Conspiracy.

[@sayanmandal2246]

Abigail is awesome man. I love that album.

[@theenigmadivisionofficial]

A much appreciated honest reaction as always Doug. Static harmonic qualities aside, there’s great energy to this song and Marty Friedman’s lines are wonderful and musically interesting when broken down into an alternative piece of music to the song. It would be great to hear your critique of one of the following... Endless Dream - Yes Isis And Osiris - Ayreon Nevermore - U.K. The Black Page (complete) - Frank Zappa

[@madzebra3364]

This whole album is an utter masterpiece. I personally love Hangar 18 and Tornado more, but RIP is untouchable.

[@futurewavecs]

Even though my friends and I were Megadeth fans when this album came out we would often make fun of Dave's singing by clenching our teeth together and singing while trying to minimize our teeth movement as much as possible. It generally produced a similar style of singing to what Dave does here. He does get better at that in the later albums but his singing ability was definitely not something they really seemed to focus on in the earlier albums. It was more about the musicality and dexterity involved in the performance.

[@FeroVlkolinsky]

We did exactly the same :D - called him Dave "The Clenched Teeth". But the barking vocal style is the definition of thrash, which only few dare to break (Annihilator, some Anthrax etc.). Real singing (usually very poorly performed) was a sign of "sellout" and music usually turned to something less aggressive too.

[@laudanum669]

Dave stills sings and sounds like Dave on Megadeth's music, unlike James Hetfield who changed his style and can't even sing many of Metallica's early stuff.

[@Equimanthorn80]

I can understand this type of metal being uninteresting for someone looking for rich melodies, key changes and all of that stuff. Anyone who follows this channel shouldn't be surprised by your reaction. That said, Friedman's solos are nothing short of astounding and, for a guitar player, most of Megadeth's stuff, particularly from that album, is way, way more challenging than anything Iron Maiden has ever done. So, I don't know if dismissing the guitar work like that is entirely fair. Mustaine vocals have no merit beyond being a way to deliver the lyrics, but he's one of the best rhythm guitar players out there... And kind of a terrible person, but that's a whole different debate.

[@FeroVlkolinsky]

And the second best riff writer in the whole metal genre, first being Chuck Schuldiner. And that I write as a huge Maiden fan.

[@Celatra]

@@FeroVlkolinsky no, the best writer is Mikael Åkerfeldt. Chuck's songs are a bit too predictable and one dimensional

[@FeroVlkolinsky]

@@Celatra I said riff writer… not song writer - very different categories

[@Celatra]

@@FeroVlkolinsky even so i stand by That Opeth's riffs are more Original than death's. How many times have you heard stuff like Demon Of The Fall, Serenity Painted Death, The Moor, Heir Apparent, April Ethereal, Ghost Of Perdition, etc Death's riffs are pretty standard, excluding everything from Individual to TSOP

[@FeroVlkolinsky]

@@Celatra hundreds, especially Ghost. For me Death's catalogue starts with Human , so you basically exclude every Death record that is great… I too stand by my previous statement. And that's the beauty behind music - we're both right.

[@jetchavz]

I feel this dude. When I was a teen, I had fun with a game called Band Master. My favorite songs throughout the game are Tornado Souls and Heroes of Our Time. I immediately fell in love with Tornado Souls riff and find it unique. I searched for the song and dude I was very disappointed when I heard the vocals (at this time I am already a fan of Metallica's MOP). I hate it hahaha. Then after a decade, I am proud to say that David Mustaine is now one of my favorite vocalists 😂 I can't stop listening to TS, Holy Wars, and Symphony of Destruction.

[@benoittremblay4579]

Since you mentionned the modeling for skinny jeans without the money, here's a fun fact : In the late 80's and early 90's, when those thrash metal bands started to appear on the cover of magazines, shoes companys noticed that they all wore old shoes so they decided to send them free new shoes. That's why you seen a lot of these bands wearing old t-shirts and old jeans but brand new withe shoes 😉

[@pokebe380]

thats really cool actually omg

[@TomSlatterMusic]

Not a surprise you didn't enjoy this one so much, Doug. It's further away from the Western classical approach to harmony. Ideas about functional harmony aren't the right analytical tools for this kind of music. A better set of analytical tools would be those in Running with the Devil by R. Walser (recommended for any music nerd who is into heavy metal!) Looking for harmonic progression in thrash metal is like expecting a 7 chord in the blues to resolve. That's not how this music works. Not listening to or dismissing the guitar playing is really not appropriate for this genre. It's like listening to an opera performance and not paying attention to the singers!

[@guilhermeioshuabelmont7326]

ye, common era harmony is just one form of analysing specific components of music. he is trying throughout all the song apply very specific tonal harmony concepts in a type of music that simply doesn't utilize any of that. it seems he doesn't even know that there is a lot of harmony approaches and theories to different styles of music.

[@channelname8627]

Marty Friedman's playing was pretty exotic.

[@tomkruze1304]

"Fast notes... not going anywhere." That describes all of Dave's guitar solos lol. But he always has a great secondary guitar player to back him up, and his riffs are killer.

[@4md17]

not going anywhere?? when i first heard last daves solo i tought i would have an orgasm

[@ManuFortiMcCoy]

So surprised you didn't point out the middle eastern transition on the guitar. Not something you expect to hear in metal. Would have loved to hear your thoughts on it's use in this song.

[@chickenman7252]

Aren't middle eastern transitions pretty standard in thrash?

[@Johnny.Picklez]

@@chickenman7252 Egyptian style progressions are pretty popular especially with iron maiden songs and heavy metal but it's still incredible putting aside from the fact it's not even a sitar or instrument you might expect it's an electric guitar producing that sound it's an incredibly challenging piece that many classical guitarists might find challenging. Extremely impressive, and surely not standard

[@Littlewing1977]

He was too busy talking and hating on clothing

[@Nalianna]

He probably didn't hear it while talking over it.

[@jeffg7047]

It's a great song, and musically when it came out, it was pretty rad. I was in a band back in the day and we used to cover this song. It was always popular with the punters when we played it. It was kind of a way for us to show off our chops. It's not a difficult song musically, but it is more than challenging to keep pace and time. Lyrically, it still holds up, because very little has happened to change from this dystopian world view of war, corruption, conflict and terrorism. 31 years on - same deal, different day. Appreciated your reaction and your viewpoints.

[@tachnutz]

Sir…. First of all, feel free to pause the track if you have something to say. You talked over amazing parts of this classic masterpiece! Listen to what the guitars are doing! Dave and Marty together are an amazing duo! I feel you listen to metal much like a girlfriend would. Listen to it. Give this one a part 2. Try again and don’t talk through it. Accept Dave’s voice.. It works, trust me. The complexity is there! Oh and to completely talk over Marty’s acoustic breakdown??? Do you understand how complex that is? Most guitarists have to “fake it” a little just to “nail” that.

[@georgesjabbour4515]

An advice: Doug, keep away from thrash metal and extreme music, is not enough to have all the knowledge that you have, it's not about knowledge, no ofense. I don't see you analyzing songs like Arise (Sepultura), which is an anthem ... nobody gets into this kind of music that fast, musical arguments are totally different from those that you are familiar to ... It takes years to enjoy this type of music, even if you are familiar to rock or heavy metal

[@FeroVlkolinsky]

Very well put. Very different aesthetics and qualities are praised in all extreme music and it really takes years. It took me exactly a year from "what a great music - why they spoil it that bad by a mad dwarf-shriek" to "Dani is the vocal god, I just MUST see him live" in my Cradle of Filth journey.

[@thracian2072]

Yes. It must take a while to brainwash yourself and degrade your senses into liking garbage music, so that you can pretend that you have some sort of high cultural insights that others don't.

[@FeroVlkolinsky]

@@thracian2072 never implied any "higher cultural insights ". I like a lot of music, not just metal, let alone extreme metal. Classical, some jazz, oldies… So it was just broadening of horizons, not brainwasning. Everyone's perception of music is different, so it's OK. if you don't like some. Noone likes everything - not even me. So your insulting comment is actually quite stupid, putting your personal tastes as undisputable truth.

[@deaj8450]

Yeah I think the only heavy stuff he'll ever like is probably progressive stuff, neoclassical, and maybe power metal. Just not his gig. Same way I'm never gonna volunteer to listen to RHCP, Foo Fighters, Pearl Jam, etc. 95% of grunge and 90s alternative just isn't my thing, not that I think it's bad just so boring.

[@zigababnik8780]

Exactly.

[@CycoSven69]

"better guitars"...I doubt any guitar player you know can beat Marty Friedman when it comes to playing. Let's be realistic now. And songs based around E is normal when you play standard tuned guitars. You could always react to Nile if you want something more complex than classical music. And based around A.

[@YannickTMessiah]

Yeah, the comment about "better guitars" specifically was simply plain wrong. Of all things he could have said...

[@j2oaks]

@@YannickTMessiah yeah, that was an oof. He seems to have a rudimentary understanding of guitar playing.

[@rsmith02]

Marty's amazing but did he have much to do on this song? His solos felt cut short.

[@CycoSven69]

@@rsmith02 His solo is just right. It doesn't have to be long to be good. My guess is that Doug doesn't know that many guitar players. And Mustaine's no slouch either. Either you see the skill or you don't. He didn't even comment on the odd way Friedman holds his pick which is a clear signal that guitar playing isn't Doug's strong suite.

[@tonyd.944]

I did snigger at that comment as well

[@ronnyrudeboy7461]

One of the best metal song ever

[@RaulRodriguez-dx8du]

He talked over the only classical guitar part !!

[@2410-s9l]

Yeah he missed it

[@BrunoJovi]

I was just thinking exactly the same thing... Damn! 🤦🏻‍♂️🎸

[@jorgeant8832]

He should have focus more on listening and talk less while the music is playing... He just missed the best part of the song...