Classical Composer Reacts to THE DOORS: When The Music's Over | The Daily Doug (Episode 743)

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In this edition of #thedailydoug, I'm listening to When the Music's Over by The Doors. Only the keyboard riff sounded vaguely familiar to me as I heard this song, and I again marveled at the group's overall sound and synergy...and at Jim's iconic voice. I hope you enjoy!
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[@HawklordLI]

One mad poet, one classical trained pianist, one flamenco guitarist and one jazz drummer=The greatest band that ever lived.

[@vcstaff]

Nicely done.

[@landho1]

Amen brother!

[@greatsilentwatcher]

Classically trained and probably knew how to play a pipe organ since he played pedal bass.

[@SonicProfessor_a.k.a._T._Andra]

Ray was not "classically trained." He played in pick-up bands and church and other organization's bands, growing-up in the Polish community in (blues-heavy) Chicago. He was highly skilled, but not "classically trained." Also: it is & isn't true that: "The Doors didn't have a player": That is accurate. ...They, actually, had about 🤷🤷 19 ? ...while they did not feature a bass player on stage [Manzarek played a Fender Rhodes with his left hand &, later, also with his feet/foot pedals.-Arguably an earlier "precursor" to Geddy Lee's use of Taurus Bass Pedals (which I don't believe existed, yet, in the 1960s - but 🤷🤷 I could be wrong about that! I don't know!!🤷). Later Ray, also, played synth (Moog), at times. While Jim, actually, played synth parts on some albums (such as Strange Days. Extremely early use of a synthesizer!!)], in the studio, they had a variety of different players (often multiple players) on every album. [Players such as The Wrecking Crew's: Larry Knechtel [on the debut album (and a few later tracks as well)]; Doug Lubahn (who refused to become a full-time member of The Doors!) and Jerry Scheff [likely most famous for being a member of Elvis' "Las Vegas comeback" band, for years - and, also, a studio stalwart!], for example!]

[@HawklordLI]

@@SonicProfessor_a.k.a._T._Andra Thanks for the dissertation Einstein.

[@peterworth9403]

One of my favorite songs by The Doors. So glad you did this one. This not just a song, it's an experience. It's The Doors at their best.

[@johncarpenter3751]

This is a great example of the door’s ability to write masterful music. This and Alabama Song

[@betsyduane3461]

Best screamer in rock history.

[@betsyduane3461]

@@sprezzatura8755 Morrison.

[@hefrisag2323]

Won't get fooled again is also a contender for that...

[@edubfromktown]

"A leaf blower, disguised as a guitar"... luv it! "Music is your only friend; until the End!".

[@timothywolfe3891]

John Densmore - never gets any love. The drums on this song are PERFECT. Hard to play slow, but Densmore is a master of it.

[@MarkMay-cr6bv]

Agreed. His jazz and occasionally latin-influenced drumming was always a huge and important part of what the Doors were, but he really took it to another level and held it all together beautifully on this song.

[@timothywolfe3891]

So many Doors songs were actually performance art. And Densmore was the glue that it all together. Pisses me off that he doesn't get any recognition. He and Krieger are unsung heroes.

[@nim4464]

@@timothywolfe3891 for real, everyone always talks about Jim and Ray, as they should, but they always leave out John and Robby

[@kdm28]

He's the American Ringo I guess....🤗

[@philwest3511]

Ringo !!! No way, Densmore was an integral section to The Doors like the others which were unique OK Jim was the front as is very obvious to many but as a band they all clicked and like The Who intwined masterfully together as one! No Ringo on show here - sorry

[@betsyduane3461]

When I was in my sophomore year (1982) in HS our social studies teacher gave us an assignment of bringing in one song on vinyl to play for the class and then we would all critique and discuss about it. He never told us how long it had to be so I bought in this Doors song. He must have been a fan because he let me play it and the class sat in stunned silence for 10+ minutes. Amazingly even the hip hop/rap and pop fans were really into it and it was the most talked about song of the week.

[@K0BHR]

In 88 I did close to the same thing in English class with the 8 minute version of the Animals "Sky Pilot".

[@tricky2055]

I did the same thing in 10th grade Honors English back in ‘91!!! Did we all go to high school in South Carolina??? I came a long way from submitting Skid Row’s Youth Gone Wild back in 7th grade!

[@betsyduane3461]

@@tricky2055 NJ

[@K0BHR]

@@tricky2055 KS

[@oscarsaucedo9589]

The silences on this song ! Doors forever !!

[@bjwnashe5589]

This song never gets old.

[@dennisduncan9695]

The Doors never get old 👍

[@scottstambaugh8473]

Before you leave this album you must do Horse Latitudes. Grace Slick walked in on the recording of that song. When she went to a party later, clearly disturbed, she was asked what was wrong. "The Doors just scared the shit out of me." Yeah.

[@mojorisin7317]

The Doors isn't something you listen to it's something you feel. This song is the embodiment of that ✌🏽❤️

[@bryangirod9173]

TRUTH!

[@Jamesharris-lo9nn]

Love Jim's voice. He had such a warm, beautiful, natural tone. 🤘🎸

[@brianfunk2695]

They actually opened the show with this at the Hollywood Bowl

[@billpeters9999]

Not hard to notice that he loved Frank Sinatra's voice. When they went to the studio he was blown away that he had the opportunity to use the same model microphone that Frank did.

[@kevinmuzerMetalMind64]

The Doors had a great unique mystical sound

[@Owlstretchingtime78]

Mystical is the perfect description!

[@louise_rose]

Orchestrated Blues, one might say - the level of rich, shimmering tone colouring going on here was unheard of in Chicago blues...and yes, with a mystical dimension.

[@lamecasuelas2]

Jim was The counter culture Sinatra

[@MrStarchild3001]

One of the most trippy songs ever. Raw emotions. Unfiltered.

[@kirstenspencer3630]

When the doors played in san Francisco, Jim told the band to start the show with "when the music's over " as the sf crowd was jaded by the bubble gum music from LA. Well Jim was right the crowd was wowed.

[@oliviermuller8214]

Densmore's drumming on this track is so cool, I never get tired of it.

[@correctlyrics]

The keyboard intro is VERY similar to the keyboard intro for "Soul Kitchen" and I think that's why Doug said it sounded familiar.

[@johnstorton]

That's what I was thinking, too.

[@bobthebear1246]

THANK YOU!! I was wondering that myself!!

[@thedoorswin163]

Just remember bass line is not the same. Is F# not G. Many not understand that and just playing same bass line as when the music over

[@user-fe8yp1rb9m]

Both killer intros! I love it, vary it all you want, I love it!!!

[@cohenbrandenburg171]

What a drumming performance by densmore, being super loud during the quiet sections with a Latin groove throughout

[@jamessekulich2344]

Doug I've been a huge Doors 0:00 fan since I was about 15 years old (I'm 61 now). You must choose The End off their first as one of the next one from the Doors that you listen to.(Or do on your videos)

[@bongodroid]

This is the best scream in a song ever.. Daltrey with the Who is merely the runner-up.

[@zeljkofatzek3670]

None is better: each has its own distinctive quality.

[@GibsonVienna]

As next Doors Song, you could try "The End"

[@tbryan5313]

I'm am old guy(70) from then. If you wanted to impress your girl, you played the doors on every date!

[@egroegmcdonald9870]

Me too. I'm 65. My girlfriend back then said I transformed whenever I put on one of my Doors LP's.

[@michaellaporte4951]

The Doors managed a lot of different styles and inspirations in their quite short time, and there are a lot of really strong B-tracks on their records that never got airtime, but if you want to hear something else in Jim's iconic exploratory poetic style, check out the "Celebration of the Lizard" suite from their Absolutely Live recording.

[@AlexMitchell-sj4sb]

I haven't heard this in over 30 years and it still sounds fresh just listening to it now.

[@bgr9133]

The varying dynamics of this song... The virtuosity of all four band members... The imagination and the performance... Blows my socks off every time. And, as ever, such an enjoyable read-through by Mr. D. H.

[@opiumdennis7249]

you had me at "leaf blower"... i'm dying!!!

[@stmn346]

Timeless song

[@StrekRout]

The live version of this song is simply ICONIC

[@williamstlouis3368]

Ray must have heard the scream of the butterfly having duplicated it on the keyboards. Peace out.

[@simonjones8111]

The first real band that captured me with their style, power and Jim’s amazing voice/lyrics. Bought their first album and Strange Days in 1968, both classics and this is a real standout. Wonderful, melodic, and only 3 playing instruments plus Jim - brilliant band. 🎉🎉❤❤

[@4thlinemaniac356]

Inspired by french poet Arthur Rimbaud Jim quit music plus quit the Cabal became right wing political activist talk show host Rush Limbaugh ( Rimbaud And Jim Morrison ) google hit images is unreal.

[@egroegmcdonald9870]

Doug; get yourself primed with a bong or fattie then drop the needle on "The Celebration of the Lizard" from The Doors album "Absolutely Live".

[@pariaheep]

I agree!

[@oldairyheir]

Shades of 'The End'! Doesn't get much better than this, Doug! Thanks!

[@jaquestraw1]

The End is what Doug was hearing in the beginning for sure

[@EMC2Scotia]

"when the music's over, turn out the lights" is something Jim over heard being said by a stage hand, or someone in one of the clubs in their early days.

[@irmaoksanen6830]

The lyrics made me think of music as a metaphor for life, the life of the planet, universe maybe of everything and in the beginning God said let there be light so when it's all over there is no more light.

[@compnnburns8831]

jazz/rock music meets experimental theatre meets poetry - heady mixture - pass me that joint..........great stuff..I was around for the Doors early 80's revival but not old enough to have appreciated them in their time sadly. Did visit Pere la Chaise to pay my respects to Jim in early 90's. How he got a burial place in 1 of Paris' most famous cemeteries is as mysterious as the circumstances surrounding his untimely demise

[@vcstaff]

I used to monopolize the jukebox at the pool hall I frequented back in college for about 20 minutes by playing When’s The Music’s Over and The End back to back…😊

[@guidosarducci209]

"When the music's over, turn out the lights" => When you run out of inspiration, life is over.

[@shredofmalarchi]

Doors are my favorite American clasic rock band.

[@adrianking475]

A masterclass in dynamics . Timeless music beautifully produced . Thanks Doug.

[@reneelyons6836]

The Doors best song....right here.

[@davelevey9074]

Always loved LA Woman but similar vibe but slower

[@luke9947]

The End for me

[@joaomanoelvieirasales1761]

The Celebration of The Lizard King is my favorite nowadays.

[@reneelyons6836]

Interesting....😃

[@ronthepainter3313]

Definitely a night time song. I can see the LP spinning in my mind.

[@jpdj2715]

The Doors [...] formed in Los Angeles in 1965, with vocalist Jim Morrison, keyboardist Ray Manzarek, guitarist Robby Krieger and drummer John Densmore. They were among the most influential and controversial rock acts of the 1960s [...]. The group is widely regarded as an important figure of the era's counterculture. [...] influences Manzarek cited a range of influences that include boogie-woogie, Chicago blues, the jazzers John Coltrane, Miles Davis and Bill Evans, and classical composers such as Johann Sebastian Bach, Claude Debussy and Igor Stravinsky. Krieger was heavily affected by his study of the sitar and the structures of Indian classical music. He said Coltrane was "my biggest music influence". He was familiar with modal scales and the traditional Spanish flamenco, incorporating them all in his guitar style to create an original trademark of versatility that distinguished him from the other rock guitarists of the period. Densmore was shaped by Elvin Jones, the drummer of John Coltrane's quartet, and by the stylistic features of Latin American percussions, especially the Bossa Nova rhythms of saxophonist Stan Getz.

[@aufornvic]

One of their very BEST. So good to see you enjoying this..

[@TheWhippetmaster]

the "scream of the butterfly" is a reference to Carlos Castaneda's writings regarding Shamans in Mexico.

[@tricky2055]

Wow!!! I never caught that! Thank you!

[@shadowmage1975]

A perfect mix of psychedelic rock and beatnik poetry.

Jims scream after we want the world on Europe '68 could be his best.

[@chiefaberach]

Another excellent reaction, Doug. I love every Doors album, but there's something special about An American Prayer. Jim recorded his poetry just before he died & The Doors set it to music later. It's the only one that feels like a concept album, rather than just a collection of songs. You could do that as 1 or 2 reaction videos.

[@joonzville]

The psychedelic guitar mix always reminded me of my HS choir teacher, Mr. Putnam, who *loved* atonal music and made us sing those sometimes painful harmonies. Since this record came out while I was still in that choir in ‘67, it really resonated with me. 😉

[@MichaelBandanza-pc7ho]

I'm a big Doors fan I have some doors calendars 40 yrs old haven't been opened yet plus many doors stickers & patches & buttons I've seen them live a couple times plus a great amount of doors post cards

[@tavosmatamachado]

I think very few lines sum up the ethos of the late 60s youth like "We want the world and we want it now". Jim was the prophet of a generation - a herald of its greatest strengths and also its greatest shortcomings. Gotta love him, warts and all.

[@kelvinkloud]

Well said. He represented both the excesses but also the bold enlightens of that era. He also did it in a way that showed both the beauty but also the pain. He wears much better than the naive platitudes of flower power… Hints of prophecy are in some of the songs. Morrison understood modern western culture pretty well, both its voracious appetite potential but also its lust for power. He understood cycles play out, then start anew as most prophets imply.

[@anniebygrave9300]

Yes, I think Jim referred to the music as life and when the music ends there's nothing left to do but to die (turn out the light). He wants to hear the scream of the butterfly, he wants to save the earth, he wants everyone to dance like fire before it's too late. It actually gives me a feeling of the rain and tears speech by Rutger Hauer's Roy Batty in Bladerunner - about all the things he has seen that nobody on earth will ever see, and how all that memory will be lost when he dies. And then...Roy dies...and all of it is lost forever. And it's beautiful and utterly sad in equal measure. I love this track, but I also really love their track The End. Would be wonderful to hear you react to that. 'And the killer awoke before dawn...and he put his boots on' - a modern remake of the story of Oedipus. Jim was well read, but had a strange mixture of violence and sensitivity in his soul that was both haunting and disturbing. BTW did you hear that 'gentle sound' in the background on guitar? Easy to miss. I listen out for it every time. It's subtle and sweet.

[@4thlinemaniac356]

Rimbaud And Jim Morrison is worth the Read. Inspired by thie French Poet Jim quit became right wing political activist Rush Limbaugh. Hope You get to read this then Explore before it disappears???

[@kelvinkloud]

It is deeper metaphor. Music as spirit and liege blood. Music life people, sci ties and civilizations shape, move, build and destroy thru passion, harmony and discord. Then the cycle can start anew.

[@ACraig-og8tn]

@@4thlinemaniac356 Jim is NOT Rush Limbaugh. Jim is deceased and resting in Paris.

[@4thlinemaniac356]

@@ACraig-og8tn Investigation before Discrimination google it then add hands smoking View Images Read Rimbaud And Jim Morrison @#100% he was.

[@4thlinemaniac356]

@@ACraig-og8tn I could direct You towards the truth but as soon as I post it They remove it .

[@philwest3511]

You’ll know now Doug, those few words will always come through every time you see, read or hear destruction of life on any level ! Every time ! The power of The Doors (of perception)

[@onemerlin]

All those meanings are true, as is the most literal truth: this song began life in the bar band days as the last set closer for the night (replacing The End, which had gotten too popular). When the music's over, turn out the lights, go home, you can't stay here. But Jim kept trying new material over that open groove you called out until it grew to its final form.

[@rpondyke2121]

Jim Morrison: poet laureate The Doors: the greatest band

[@gregwhitcoe5411]

Oh man, this was a crazy song to shroom out to back in the day!!! 😂😂😂❤

[@trophyhunter2]

should have broke the bong out for this one

[@XFLexiconMatt]

Jim loved improvisational poetry, and the other three loved modal jazz, so they always tried to fuse that as rock players. It also helped that there was real song craft as well.

[@4thlinemaniac356]

Jim inspired by french poet Arthur Rimbaud ( Rimbaud And Jim Morrison ) he quit music and quit the cabal.became right wing political activist Rush Limbaugh google images view his hands smoking.

[@DanSpengler]

My favorite song by this band. John Densmore absolutely kills on his drums here, total masterclass, and the band displays their mastery of dynamics like nothing else.

[@bobthebear1246]

This is my absolute favorite song by The Doors. This is an absolute masterpiece. One of the Top 50 greatest songs of all-time. ❤

[@alexandergustafsson4245]

Thank you Doug!

[@stuntmankrocmcginty4896]

The organ from the church lady sketches on SNL with Dana Carvey always makes me think of this song.

[@graybri]

By far my favourite doors tune., Thanks for that! Just what I needed on a Friday after work.

[@jonerrek7806]

I was staying at the SF State dorms late 60s, 5th floor. The room above me fired up Light My Fire, 6 in the morning and I was hooked. It was as though the organ notes were floating on the SF fog. Enjoyed them at the Filmore, SF, wondering if the mic stand was the only thing holding Jim up. But what a show.

[@michaelanthony3304]

"My Eyes Have Seen You" from the same album......

[@nnjjaa1]

Great song, great 16yo memories. The perfect song to come on the radio late at night, driving through the desert with a little haze going... The scream of the butterfly! 🦋

[@Rhiannon011]

But didn't you hear 'the sceram of the butterfly" in this song? That is one of my favorite parts that "errie sound" like to me it was so real the sound of the butterfly"...so cool.. Your next reaction to the doors I think should be a song that is so rarely reacted to "Not to touch the earth"..it's one of my favorites, it's very mystical..

[@ranica47]

LOVE that song!! NTTTE. I had some bootlegs back in the day on cassette and they used to play the song much faster live, demonically pounding lol. The sense of being in a wild, pagan ceremony, summoning spirits, losing oneself to the music typifies the mystic legend of The Doors.

[@darkogregec7503]

This one is perhaps the best song that they did.

[@jamespuleo3269]

Em - A7 (repeat)~~~~~ is much beloved by guitar strummers (of all skill levels.) Evil Ways by Santana. This one. Down By the River by Neil Young. (Which in turn inspired) Breathe by Pink Floyd.

[@beauyerks7413]

This was definitely Jim at his zenith...confident coherent strong and balancing on rhe edge of the knife between exaltation and oblivion

[@AyyyyUhhhh]

I believe the song was made in one or two takes also. Beautiful poetry and intense scenery/ story telling from the master musicians. The Doors are amazing

[@bongodroid]

There are many drummers who listen closely to their singer and actively support them with how they play.. but Densmore is the best one by far. The Doors sometimes had many layers but there was always a solid foundation under the tapestries. They all worked in the forge. A rare case when all members of a band create the foundation together and also listen really closely to each other. How else would you be able to hear the scream of butterflies?

[@gibby6904]

There are some AMAZING live versions of WhenThe Musics Over Out there........Felt Forum in New York!

[@metalmark1214]

I just happen to have The Best of The Doors CD in my car right now. I'm not too good on guitar, but I play a mean leaf blower 😜

[@otakubancho6655]

Still one of the greatest underrated bands of all time!💘💘💘

[@user-fe8yp1rb9m]

Underrated?? Not in my book

[@VielFart]

Why do people so often say that a recognisedly great band/singer/instrumentalist is underrated when they're not? Is it some kind of game?

[@tonyharrison954]

When my 96 year old mother was deep into dementia and had long ceased to recognise me I would play the music she had grown up with when I visited her. She would hum and sing the words accuratley . Music was definitly her special friend right up until the end.

[@sanandaallsgood673]

Most of Jim's lyrics, especially during the early years were drug induced wanderings based on his theology about life, death, and how we live here. Sometimes, it's better to be 'elevated' to fully get his words.

[@zyzxs]

Just watching someone enjoy the music for the music, creativity and styles is very satisfying.

[@gjhf11]

Yay, been petitioning for this one for a while Doug. The greatest song by my favourite band of all time. If there was only one song I could to a desert island this is it! So original and creatively mind blowing, worth listening to deeply again. Thanks again for covering!

[@chrisbrimhall1613]

Saw a doors cover band who covered this song….live…this song is unbelievable

[@johnnyxmusic]

Must take tremendous concentration

[@strummer3162]

I've been waiting for you to do this one. For me, it is the quintessential Doors song. Every band member contributes so much creatively in this song. The band is so tight behind Jim. Excellent reaction and discussion of the lyrics. Can't wait for more!

[@BrianYates-ue8hf]

I'm a drummer of 41 yrs primarily hard rock/metal but I've been a huge Doors fan since 14 yrs old And not just bc of Jim but Ray Robbie and John are such a unique band that provided an evil carnival-like foundation for Jim's words I had to take a few jazz lessons in order to be able to play some of the songs in their catalogue this one included Also the fact that Robbie Kreiger was a classically trained Flamenco player thus he just used his fingers that's how he played some of those more serpentine lines Robbie said this solo was inspired by Hendrix Rip Jim and Ray ✌️🤘🧐

[@rrrayrrray]

Brilliant. Thanks Doug!

[@toddmcclellan979]

Now, would you like to delve into The End???? Until you read "No one here gets out alive", you'll never truly understand The Doors.

[@billhawkins1236]

I read it 3 times, cover to cover. Now, my daughter has it.

[@ranica47]

I loved that book at first but, after reading others (inc John Densmore's Riders on the Storm) realised there's a lot of hyperbole from uber fan Danny Sugarman. Still entertaining and exciting reading it as a teenager getting into The Doors for the first time.

[@Owlstretchingtime78]

The Doors were remarkable!

[@neile2001]

Nice one Doug. It is my contention that The Doors are one of the seminal foundations of Progressive Rock. A lot of prog purists deny this but on tracks like "When The Music's Over," The Doors influence on Prog were clear. The long format of the song giving space to experimentation, and it is full of sound textures and strategies referent to what later prog musicians did.

[@timothywolfe3891]

LOVE this song!!!!!

[@billhawkins1236]

" The Door's " first long play album I ever bought. It was at every party I went to a a teenager. My mom got me ticket's to see them for my 16th birthday at the Auditorium in Chicago and they did this tune. One of my top five favorite bands. I agree, next up should be Celebration of the Lizard off absolutely live or " The End " but if you do the latter, please do the original version, not the one with the F Bomb's in the middle.🤠👍👍👍👍👍

[@bobgable2691]

Would love for you to react to Moonlight Drive/horse latitudes

[@JimboKM]

I guess Robbie Krieger invented stuff I thought Robert Fripp invented.

[@lamecasuelas2]

Yes! I don't think that the doors get enough crédit for their proto prog explorations. And by the way, there aré also some interesting guitar sounds in John Barry's soundtracks that aré also very ore Frippian

[@pariaheep]

I've been thinking the same thing for years!

[@gj8683]

Yes, from 7:42, very Fripp-like.

[@shamirkeren3954]

you are right to me.since ive been listening to that,on 1982,i noticed that he played fripp before fripp did.

[@kelvinkloud]

Good point…this was being played as is in summer ‘66. No one in their zip code in ‘66 except maybe velvet undergrd… thru ‘68 they were on the point of the arrow… they also went out inventive. La woman is experimental too.

[@terrylambert9787]

I like your perception. And clairvoyancy!

[@Rawbtube]

I'm a lyrics guy. I've been listening to this song for over 40 years. You interpreted the lyrics in this song and COMPLETELY enlightened me. I thought I got it but it's even better than I thought (and I LOVE this song) Really great dissection.

[@kelvinkloud]

Morrison very much into cyclical exploration. Vision quest mentality. That at 21 or so, one must sit on the metaphorical edge alone and figure out not only the whole meaning of nature to life, but also not only one’s place in it, but also the cultures place in it. It’s why their best works like this have an eternal timeless element to them. It speaks to the Ages. It can trace back artistically and historically to elements of Ancient Rome but just as quickly apply to the visceral present & a glint of where things may go.

[@rafaelvslobato]

Thanks Doug! My favorite band. Helped to build who I am!

[@mattdunn3989]

Light My Fire would be my recommendation for next Doors song, extended organ and guitar solos.

[@johannvanderstajfn9828]

Fun fact: Jim was not even there when the song was recorded, he didn't show up so the band decided to do it anyway, Ray (organ) was singing Jims part as he thought Jim would do it. One day later Jim showed up and sang his part with headphones of the recordings from the day before. According to Ray Manzareks book he was very nervous about it because he thought he couldn't do it with them playing along. But, as you hear, it fits perfectly.

[@leesyrjanen3947]

Light My Fire Part II

[@sandelic1]

When The Music's Over is an interesting choice. Not that I'm complaining. It would be cool if Doug reacted to The End, I wonder what would he think of it if he does not know it already.

[@electricwizard3000]

A lot of Doors lyrics are straight-up about death, ex. End Of The Night, The End [obviously], et al.

[@jackthehack6162]

"All games contain the idea of death." Jim Morrison