Cleared Hot Episode 165 - Jason Tuschen

Jason Tuschen is a retired Navy Seal Command Master Chief. Jason's 27-year career in the military included serving with SEAL Team THREE, Seal Team SEVEN, Naval Special Warfare Development Group, leading the First Phase at BUD/S, and culminated at Naval Special Warfare Group ONE where, as Command Master Chief he was responsible for executing National Security Strategy in the Middle East, South East Asia, and the Korean Peninsula.
Post military Jason is transitioning his leadership experience into the tech sector as the Chief of Strategy for RSTOR, and as the CEO of Sylabs.

[@johnysmoth4208]

One of the best cleared hot episodes yet this guy is a badass

[@bradbrown9722]

I agree Johny! I was just thinking the same thing. He just seems laid back and calm as hell, but I bet he could deliver some fury if needed!

[@thenoclue90]

Andy: “I’m not going to say her name.... .... Margaret...”

[@mosh9074]

Shout out to Margaret!

[@adammound1982]

@@mosh9074 I dont know why but I heard that I mike ritlands voice haha

[@mwitts3727]

Went to high school with Jason! Knew he was a SEAL but had no idea about all his accomplishments! Very impressive. Thanks for your service Jason! And thanks Andy for putting him on your show to spotlight his career

[@thenoclue90]

This man looks like if Travis Barker became a SEAL

[@Tacit_Tern]

I thought Maynard James Keenan from Tool.

[@normgraham6658]

and gained 100lbs of muscle

[@Marks-Law]

Looks like a child of Gilligan & The Skipper

[@jamesmcdermott7642]

Was thinking the same thing lol

[@bradbrown9722]

Ha, he does Brett! This Vet is cool as hell isnt he! Down to earth and a calm dude. A good conversation

[@kim-jong-poon]

To all the former and current service men and women that may happen to read this, thank you for your service and all the sacrifices that come along with it🇺🇸

[@Its_Esoteric]

As soon as Jason said DMT Joe Rogan spiritually entered the podcast.

[@AMG-316]

Lmfao!!😁😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂👍

[@ryanschweikhardt]

🤣

[@chirag-zn1ly]

Ssly🤣

[@nj65367]

I can’t put my finger on it, but for some reason this is one of my favorite episodes ever. I don’t believe I’ve ever heard Andy talk about Buds as openly and candidly with any other guest. Real chemistry here.

[@ARuiz1004]

Awesome observation, I'm just starting the episode so I'm at the 16:20 mark, half of those being the ads, but I have already picked up on that chemistry Andy has with him. I've actually been looking forward to this episode since FAF a couple Fridays ago! Cheers to everyone, about to enjoy this episode, as i do with pretty much every episode!

[@peterjames314]

yeah its definitely the chemistry and just one of the most natural conversations I've heard. Some episodes I can't stop listening and this is one.

[@bradbrown9722]

I agree Noah, I can’t put my finger on it either, but this conversation seems so fluent, right?!

[@internet_internet]

I did DMT when I was 17 while I was secretly very suicidal, and my mom seemed to be slowly dying of cancer at the time. The experience literally saved my life by preventing me from suicide. To this day, DMT is the most impactful and extraordinary experience that I’ve ever had. It was extremely beneficially impactful in many different ways. I had never, and have still never done any other psychedelics.

[@debbiemartin4008]

This was great on so many levels!!! You two did such a great job of setting the scenes around those recollections...Brilliant !

[@STMVO]

This is quickly becoming my favorite podcast.

[@bradbrown9722]

Andy, this was simply a great conversation with a cool dude. Good history and experience from 2 good men. Thank you

[@migolio]

EDIT: Thought my timestamps got deleted by Andy this morning but must've been some weird YT glitch or problem. Reposted stamps in the comments somewhere. Thanks for the concern. Appreciate @J C for clearing that up.

[@twotone1a]

That sounds like a reasonable and respectful thought process. Even if you decide not to do any more time stamping, thanks for all your work on previous podcasts.

[@DiscovererAlpha]

That's rather opaque if they actually got deleted.

[@bsnow17]

I really appreciate you. I will often refer back to podcasts to find one specific 30 second point in a 3 hour podcast. Your detailed comments make it so much easier

[@907living6]

sure if it was deleted there was a reason, appreciate what you do brother.

[@SebT00]

Aah thats too bad, i agree with Raylan, I use the the most to quickly reference parts from old podcasts. Does youtube crack done on andys channel if people dont watch the podcast in its entirety?

[@dylanharrington395]

Also Jason is awesome i could listen to him for hours. Great episode!

[@benmartin3180]

We need more of this guy. Most relatable dude yet

[@bradbrown9722]

Yep, for spending so much time in the Seals, he seems both layed 𝐛ack but very capable, right?!

[@BostonsF1nest]

I love the term “leadership capital” thank you Jocko for coining that golden phrase.

[@Tacit_Tern]

We need people like Jocko in Congress. ....especially because he doesn't want to.

[@user-nk4un8xg8w]

His wife when he come home”How’s your podcasts with Andy?” “It was rad”

[@ThePete2432]

I have to say this has been top 5% on your podcast. He’s such a legit guy. It’s like watching Paula Shore as a seal

[@mrdddeeezzzweldor5039]

Awesome content. Watched the entire marathon conversation between two real actors in America's elite forces.

[@Ryan-gb6gb]

I have so much respect for all of these guys. The Best of the Best. Thank you for your service.

[@zachf5665]

I thoroughly enjoyed this episode. Thanks for the content!

[@watchdog2266]

Really enjoy listening to your podcast you are awesome Andy. And you also have great guest thank you all for your service.

[@SHI-ts5cl]

Awesome, thank you. A very interesting and enjoyable listen. 🙏

[@mstott22lax]

Great episode. Rad dude. I wasnt expecting to listen to the full three hours but here i am.

[@danielk9409]

Man I would have never imagined this dude be who he is or have accomplished what he has, Even my wife guessed he was a punk star BUT both these dudes are exactly why I’ve never judged a book by the cover, Appreciate the service, Sacrifice & normality of this channel

[@mcorley9184]

Back in the early 2000’s pain was dubbed the “5th vital sign”. The standard of care was opiates for chronic pain. There was a ton of pressure put on docs and nurses to make sure patients pain was controlled, as a result there was a ton of opiates prescribed during that period. Opiates are basically contraindicated for chronic pain now

[@ranma763]

ER Nurse in 2021, pain's still called the 5th vital sign.

[@42D6JD210C]

One of your better interviews. Thanks.

[@daveoliver3515]

Hi Andy, I had an idea for a guest, I would love to see Shawn Ryan on here, as well as Tony Eafrati- two other team guys I like hearing from. I also had an idea to have a special operations neurologist/neuroscientist/doctor of some sort on the podcast, that is specifically an expert in concussive blasts/TBI/causes/blast trauma, everything related to that. I think it could be helpful to a lot of people, and could raise awareness about the issue even more. great episode today!

[@zixuanchun5273]

Marcus capone.. Or tyler grey or guys from delta.. Sheriff of Baghdad haha

[@zixuanchun5273]

@@caiotefu9856 That would be rad as f#ck.. 😆😆😆

[@kenmatthews5100]

Dave, listen to episode #33 with Dr Ahmed from the Kaizen Brain Cntr. Interesting comments from Andy about some of his TBIs over his career

[@devinsen363]

When is Mike Glover coming back on the Cleared Hot podcast? Edit: Fuckin awesome podcast btw, Jason Tuschen is a bad ass

[@riffedwood5597]

Glad I’m not the only one on MGs nuts

[@jonhelguson]

@@riffedwood5597 not at all, I believe there is a whole Amazonian tribe living on his balls. Big balls...no homo

[@bmooch1]

Enjoyed this one a lot. Amazing just little details that are so impactful

[@neverforgettr2276]

You guys are honorable. Thanks for that conversation.

[@jasonvisser9885]

Great podcast, guys. Thank you!

[@sandiasurfers3174]

1:58:00 Wow I was there in 07 when that giant dump truck VBIED blew the eastbound lane on MSR Mobile in Ramadi, small world! (wasn't at area 51 though was with 3ID at the time). It effected eastbound traffic but not our ability to cross. There was a bridge "low water bridge" right below that we used.

[@randallsteiger4860]

Great convo. Appreciate y'all

[@token112]

This is the type of Chief everyone wished they had, regardless of rate or command.

[@riffism]

Great conversation. The Master Chef seems like a cool dude.

[@kevinmahoney5939]

I was lucky enough to go through the Honor Foundation with Tusch and JT.....amazing dudes. My lasting thought with them was: man I wish I got to work for them......When the sea state is 1-3 in Owls Creek, you are in for a looooong night. Sorta miss that.....mostly don't.

[@AMG-316]

I gotta say, Andy is a solid dude! No BS, no nonsense. Calls it how he sees it and stands on what he says, or like my Bro's and I say, "stands on his square"!!🤙🛹

[@dalesfailssagaofasuslord783]

Damn this guys been around the block in the seals. That’s a ton of experience. Respect.

[@joshuawagy]

Enjoyed this one. Well done.

[@susiea3097]

Love the SEAL episodes with name interjections such as Leif, Jocko!

[@reneamcghee1966]

I haven’t laughed so much in a long time. Thank you

[@firstnamelastname9444]

So pumped for this episode! Thanks for all of the amazing (free) content. I have some ideas for guests in the future. It would be great to have some federal law enforcement guys on - specifically some of the guys who served in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere (DEA FAST, FBI HRT, etc.). They often worked alongside military special operations units but there’s not much out there on them. It would be great to get their perspectives, especially for people interested in those types off careers.

[@brucecollaco]

Man, I didn't know Pauly Shore was a Team guy..... Damn. Talented.

[@BostonsF1nest]

“God damn dude I don’t care how much money you have, you don’t know how to take a shit properly” 😂🤣

[@MotoNoir86]

“Spiritual Hiroshima”....awesome

[@stevenrhodes9639]

Door kicking, humble, dmt taking, frogman lol 😆

[@chrismiles8225]

That made me laugh whilst I'm driving my service van. I had to back off the podcast until I was back home.

[@chrismiles8225]

Yeah that was good. I listened back a few times. 🔥

[@texasgirl8674]

As always... thank you!

[@jaywolfdesigns]

best sf podcast out there, love it thx Andy

[@nemesisbreakz]

Glad I watched this episode. Jason is a cool ass dude.

[@johnsheetz7983]

Great podcast from start to finish

[@BLXDE-RXNNER]

Was a chill podcast thanks.

[@dirtygrease]

This is a trip, I think I just ate lunch in Del Mar next to this guy today, and then this popped up in my feed.

[@punishedsnake6141]

Awesome podcast. Seems like a really chill dude.

[@anonymouslyanonymous6106]

DAMN I'm early, stay frosty Andy I love your podcast 🤙

[@garybellish3908]

The humility you men exude is so satisfying..

[@donaldritter2256]

Another fantastic podcast Andy

[@sethrosson9557]

This dude is a bad man. And I'd never guess. Looks like a old surfer bro haha. Never judge a book by its cover

[@trevorlewicki2076]

Another awesome podcast, Would be great to hear doctor mark Gordon and Andrew marr (Green beret) on your show. They have helped alot of veterans with TBI and PTSD.

[@nlee2492]

Holy shit, this was an amazing conversation!

[@mattnichols2473]

I love his intro to Team 3 and Mike Martin! Hahah I love these stories.

[@richc.3100]

I was an AT in VF-211. Hazing was very real even in that roll. Introduction to the squadron was a day of pink bellies.

[@imm0rtalitypassi0n]

What...?! Homemade pemmican is awesome!! Beef heart seems hardcore. I use venison jerky, bison tallow, and ground up dried currants & raw pumpkin seeds. Pinch of sea salt. Way better than energy bars!

[@mikedudley9975]

I love this dude. Probably fun to hang out with.

[@christopherprichard4952]

referencing around 34:00 about building personnel: A Great friend of mine (former marine recon) always told me that the responsibility of being higher on or up the ladder was to help bring the person below you Up. The intent reflected physically, mentally, educationally, and comradery. Bring the person in, make them a part, and teach them how to handle the trade.

[@manhalen7046]

Seems like a super cool guy. He is funny as hell and to me (an easy coast guy) the epitome of a SoCal guy.

[@christianelwood5482]

Anyone else wish they could ski with these gents? I just got so much fomo at the end, like I was grounded and my friends just went outside to play

[@Zosima45]

this is a great one

[@pavelowjohn9167]

1:18:40 Yeah, hovering in high winds over a rooftop (or the bow of a ship) with some shitty reference points can be a workout. I can remember my hands almost cramping and just praying for that "ropes away, tail's cleared out" call. Air refueling in a helo can be just as bad, just praying for a good plug and then getting into that Zen state, as Jason called it.

[@brunicks]

awsome episode

[@johnnywalker9624]

Love you and proud of you brother

[@ennuigolf6525]

The Freakonomics podcast #433 talks directly to psychedelics helping PTSD and changing Psychiatry. Worth a listen.

[@JRsmith.]

Bruh everytime i come to watch this podcast its Andy Stumpf talking about himself same officer story i get deja vu

[@ClearedHotPodcast]

Stop coming to watch them. Simple solution

[@JRsmith.]

Sorry if i offended you sir i still love you have a great day hooyah

[@bradbrown9722]

@@JRsmith.JR, they’re 2 guys who had some of the most intense training the US has to offer. These guys have some very special stories and experiences that you and I only dream of. Andy’s guests , coming from all branches of our military, have some of the best conversations that can found. Once it starts, they begin talking and sharing their experiences of Military life. Becoming a Chief or Officer is an unbelievable accomplishment to share. Andy doesn’t boast, nor do his guests, they share a timeline of their service time and the sacrifice to get there. It’s all good bro. You wouldn’t have gotten a response had you not crossed the line. He was shot during war time! Shot. In a war in a foreign country. Yet, he doesn’t speak of that very often. Think about that for a minute

[@jamesmcdermott7642]

Great podcast

[@ironry29]

Great Guest!

[@savage22bolt32]

I always have to deep breath when you guys are talking about the pool.

[@bradbrown9722]

The pool talk is almost disturbing, right?! These guys say it was the most difficult phase of BUDS. Some of these guys say it took a couple times to pass it! Damn brutal training and mad respect for these guys!

[@savage22bolt32]

@@bradbrown9722 Absolutely! Funny - you're watching Cleared Hot & I'm watching Vigilance Elite. I've been immersed in these SF channels for a few months now.

[@gnawty4662]

Solid episode

[@maryboros-te8wn]

1 of my favorites!

[@tig3r_lily]

Alright Monday let's do this.

[@mikelee7876]

Fuck yes. Been waiting for Jason to come on. Killing it andy you the man

[@dmitryjoyce8567]

have a good week andy! and you too cleared hot fam! lets get some

[@jda671]

Intensive Care... Rock On!!!

[@jimmyjones4398]

Outstanding. Listened to the whole thing.

[@907living6]

hell yea i like this guy, young humble stallion to give the ol buck andy a hand

[@boomshakalaka7396]

The shape this guy is in at his age... damn

[@internet_internet]

Awesome guy.

[@YahushasDisciple]

Andy, can you place the link to the videos from the boats leaving the C5’s?

[@TheFloresj23]

Jocko was there and one of the authors of the Ethos. he discussed it on a podcast

[@BostonsF1nest]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/jmXcnHSwndGqodk There it is

[@internet_internet]

Thank god two SEALs are talking about the war on drugs. Unfortunately, keeping people behind bars is a very lucrative business. Follow the money... Unfortunately, the medical industry also makes a large portion of their money by selling people pills... Addiction is “good” for their business.

[@Sarge80]

Like George Carlin said many years ago, if you want to put a serious dent in the drug bussiness, start prosecuting the bankers who launder the drug money.

[@pavelowjohn9167]

29:25 If that's the same DQ I'm thinking of, I worked with him and Chief Gillette when they brought the platoon over to the ROK to work with squadron 56 back in....99? 2000? I was the Pave Low planner, so I was working with those two, getting everything squared away. DQ and Gillette were great, would have loved to have done some real world ops with those guys.

[@thebunnisher109]

Super cool guest

[@pavelowjohn9167]

19:40 "Flesh-Peddlers". God, I hate dealing with the assignments guys when I was in. At one point, I had an opportunity, as a new O-4, to go up to Dam Neck and be the AFSOC LNO after Lando (which was a dream job for me, plus I knew some of the guys up there from working with ST-3 in DJ in 2002). I was told, "Naw, you're too old, we're thinking of a younger guy". So they picked a classmate of mine from the Academy. Same age as me! And he goes up there and embarrasses himself. I'm sure it's the same everywhere, but that was probably when I realized I was getting out at 20....

[@stephenpwilks]

So what did he take that made him sick ? What do you take before taking the DMT?

[@GunsNRaddy]

Hi im looking for the episode where Andy told a story about RPG dude. Any idea what episode it is?

[@imm0rtalitypassi0n]

For the few rude comments about Andy "talking over" guests: I can't speak for Andy, but on talking over people- I'm a NYC native and I see myself unintentionally doing that all the time because by nature we converse that way- it's cultural, and we definitely mean no harm. It's just enthusiasm, and a very hard habit to break when needed. One thing I wonder though, is if Jason's wishes were to talk less during the show. Idk, but he did mention being an introvert, so it's not impossible that Andy was trying to help him out in this case. Todd Fox's episode, however, was a great example of someone more akin to the kind of verbal ping pong required for both parties to have an equal stake in the convo when enthusiastic talkers.

[@arn6376]

I’ve been on that same space ship as Jason 🚀 that’s crazy

[@mike6850]

Jason is fucking awesome. Great podcast gents!

[@LabradoodleTofuBoy]

oh my lord. I couldn't stop laughing at these 2. Are you guys really the former Seals? What a story. I like Jason. He has so much traits even being a chef Benihana lol

[@supersloth1667]

The way he says "Got tater'd" just makes me laugh. 59:48

[@mammal2066]

That says something about Pool Comp..if your a surfer/competitive swimmer as a kid and "f ing hated" pool comp...

[@Tesla_ofthe_Skies]

Is Andy trying to tell us that maybe Rob wasn’t “The Shooter”...??

[@ImportMonster1]

This dude is cracking me up.