Cleric of Selûne doing the Nightfall ritual with Shadowheart

[@shadow_risen]

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[@VDA19]

Ain't no way a Cleric of Selune keeps Selune's favor after helping kill her daughter and then smearing her blood on Selune's statue just to get some ass.

[@Polomance862]

One thing that the Nightsong makes evidently clear.. What is Shar's is also Selune's. In the same capacity; this story reflects that what is Selune's is also Shar's. It's very well possible that Selune and Shar are in this bitter fight of who this cleric truly serves. In a lot of ways, there's methods to twist this. Everything was set up to this point; and the Cleric of Selune was tasked to put an end to the Absolute. If Aylin's demise assured victory against the Absolute... Was the price worth it? Perhaps all along Shar uses Shadowheart to lure another cleric into her fold?

[@tharedmoon]

@@Polomance862 what upsets me about the whole shar and selune being one in the same, is selune never made an appearnace the whole game.

[@shadow_risen]

@@Polomance862 There's the line where you can say to Shadowheart that surely her "goddess can't approve what you and I share" and she replies "Who's to say? Perhaps she's keen to seen me corrupt you? I can imagine she'd be delighted to turn a follower of Selûne towards the darkness." so in a role playing way it's easy to think that's exactly what happened here along the way. Though in a real dnd, my cleric would lose her divine powers for her actions.

[@shadow_risen]

An interesting detail about killing Nightsong as a cleric of Selûne is that the both "Selûne" tagged dialogue options during the final choice in the confrontation lead to Shadowheart killing her.

[@Apillis124]

It's important to bear in mind with Shar that people are oft converted to her cause without ever knowing it, and that includes clergy--while they may think it's the god/dess they think they're worshipping is in reality secretly Shar herself. A perfect and extreme case of what I mean, Shar is also the goddess of the Underdark, how she became such was she secretly murdered the god Ibrandul (a lesser deity who held the title and profile of god of the Underdark), she stole his power, profiles as a god and even his name, and the thing is--no one knows she did it--not even his clergy as she continues to feed them spells as if he never died. Shar is infamous for doing such things, so in this scenario, it can be very easily rationalized being a Selunite who aided a follower of Shar so much and to such an extreme, that unknowingly it's no longer Selune whom they're receiving spells and favor from, but Shar instead and never even knowing it.

[@songbird6414]

Selune eating popcorn: I’ll allow it

[@AresSG]

I honestly think a Cleric of Selune Tav who participates in Sharran Rituals should have something similar happen to when a Paladin breaks their oath. Make it happen Larian!

[@shadow_risen]

All in all clerics should have similar mechanic to paladins that if they go against their god, e.g. cleric of a good aligned god committing evil acts, they should lose their divine powers or something.

[@Meshifuari]

@@ladyselin35 While it's true that paladins can take their divine power from oath... There are paladins that take their powers from gods in 5e as well. Player's Handbook, page 82: "Although many paladins are devoted to gods of good, a paladin’s power comes as much from a commitment to justice itself as it does from a god." A few of these paladins are even in the game itself. Zevlor talks how he wanted to gain powers from Absolute (as he mistaken it for a diety) to become Paladin once again. It saddens me that the game does not give you an option to either follow oath without a god or to pick god as well. It was something that was available in Early Access... So why take the choice away? And yes, killing Aylin, if you could pick Paladin serving Selune, in my opinion, should turn him into oathbreaker or **Blackguard**

[@mjf40087]

​@@shadow_risen Using this mechanic for Clerics isn't widely accepted in the DND community and is often considered too much of a breach of player agency, probably because there is no adequate subclass for this concept like there is for an Oathbreaker Paladin. There are also no tenets as a Cleric - just like in real life, worship is expressed radically differently, and interpretations of religious doctrine vary drastically as well. Paladins and their duties, in contrast, are simple and well-defined. Other than the fact it would be an immense effort to apply rules and regulations and consequences for every Cleric deity, these were probably supporting reasons they didn't implement it.

[@TheFlyWahine]

Larian made sure to remove everything that's cool and fun.

[@fedecorrea4264]

If you are a Lolth sworn drow and you take phalar aluve with the rite she kinda gets mad and sends a "warning"... that's the closest we have to a "divine punishment" 😅

[@DetectiveNyx]

what if we kissed in front of the defiled statue of a goddess covered in the blood of her child 😳

[@aqua2k210]

ha ha just kidding. . . unless?

[@thecheck968]

That little moment of lucidity at 3:16 when Tav looks at the blood on her hand, just long enough to make her realize for just the slightest moment everything she has forsaken

[@Saintwolvinn]

2:48 I just noticed the detail of Shadowheart giving Tav a peck after the kiss and then saying "Stop being so gentle". Crazy like the small details of her underlying feelings for them makes it crush your heart a bit more.

[@FoxYinnyy]

The way they show how conflicted she actually feels about being a DJ is just crushing my "I want to be the goodie" heart

[@MarinaMcPeak]

It took me far too many rewatches to notice, but after pushing Tav to the ground for the more aggressive kiss, you can see blood running down the side of her lips. I knew she had bitten Tav, just from the way they touched their lips after. But I really didn’t expect Shadowheart to bite them hard enough to fill her mouth with blood. That and the subtle peck being so close together really emphasizes her “don’t call it love” dialogue. She seems to be catching herself being affectionate and in love with Tav, in my opinion, and then feeling the need to convince Shar it’s more nefarious. There’s definitely something about the blood dripping, combined with the uncensored dialogue about being wicked, that really hurts my heart.

[@nathanfivecoate5848]

This is truly a most tragic scene, not only for the Sharran but for the Not-Quite-Selûnite as well

[@coops1992]

It's a pretty cool and sweet scene actually, not sure what you smoking.

[@advertizment]

Damn, wish Shadowheart could convert Tav just like Tav can convert Shadowheart. It feels likke a missed opportunity since you cant really choose Shar as a deity. Having Shadowheart be able to affect Tav as much as Tav can affect Shadowheart only seems fair.

[@genghiskhan6809]

I am still bummed that you couldn’t get Shadowheart to kill you (if you are a paladin/cleric of selune) as her sacrifice to become a Dark Justiciar instead. That would be funny af.

[@songbird6414]

The entire game crashes with just a message going “uh uh, try again”

[@noitsbecky1278]

I thought it would be interesting if a Selunite Tav romanced her and Shar asked her to kill Tav as her sacrifice

[@songbird6414]

@@noitsbecky1278 she so would too

[@void735]

So the shar ritual is to spite Selune. Fking hell Shar worshipers get more pathetic each time I learn something new about them.

[@ardex9677]

There is a book at their shrine in the upper city that just says some stupid things about Selune like for example she smells bad or something similar.

[@void735]

@@ardex9677 iknow that one. Petty beyond meassures. Also sharr is ment to be godess of secrets and darkness as well as absence of life and feelings. Despice that you know literly everything about her and her followers will constantly spill the beans about anything on their mind. They love torturing people and pain contradicting the tenents of Shar. And the cherry on top a godess of secrects and night youd expect her to be depicted as a woman in a long dark cloak or something yet you could easily mistake her for a stripper godess with how naked she constantly is portraied. Nothing about her makes sense.

[@elseggs6504]

​@@ardex9677They preach Nihilism but act like petty brats and have to fish for more flimsy excuses to do things even they think is stupid to forbid. Like I bet you at least one mustve argued that they didnt crush on someone and end up fucking, but simply undressed and slipped in an unfortunate way

[@CreativeUsernameEh]

Another L from the Lady of Loss

[@sinizade]

I wish we could become followers of Shar along with Shadowheart when we do this stuff about Selune, cuz like, there's no way any cleric of Selune IN THEIR SANE CONSCIOUSNESS would do all this just to keep following Selune after

[@midnightrant7487]

So if Shadowheart is considered a child of Shar, that means Tav would be considered a child of Selûne, which means these two are cousins. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk

[@milh1803]

Oh..! 😧

[@ashsuna7774]

If clerics are children of their gods, and Isobel is a cleric of Selune.... Aylin NO

[@saber2802]

Aylin Yes! ​@@ashsuna7774

[@ryanbarber6481]

I absolutely love how your Tav looks, she is preeetty!

[@nicbahtin4774]

"HAVE SOME GODAMN FAITH!"~Dutch

[@sirfishalot6782]

honestly, this scene just makes me feel ill in so many ways.

[@WestOfEarth]

okay I'm stunned this path of the story exists. It makes complete sense mind you, but Larian continues to amaze me with the depth and breadth of its storytelling.

[@FoxYinnyy]

I'm only here watching because I would never be able to become a DJ. But goddamn is this scene so well written and created

[@noitsbecky1278]

god I want to be Tav at the end there

[@dibosh7405]

The sheer amount of HERESY!

[@karumina]

She is like AA's bite kiss x Asta's spawn post-ritual night combined xD

[@jadeitor_png]

Selûne is into toxic yuri, good for her 😅

[@Hero-zs7go]

sou , wyll tell us he make a pact cause of a tiamant cult or somthing , sou is ther a special dialog for a cleric who worship tiamant?

[@jekkin8972]

Wait how do you why this whole thing to trigger. I literally went to the statue and just left after like 2 dialogues

[@jekkin8972]

I take it you don't get any scenes if she goes the "good" route

[@shadow_risen]

@@jekkin8972 The good route has it's own romance scene which is the "swimming scene"

[@jekkin8972]

@@shadow_risen thanks

[@NightwishaL]

Uh... this is really unlogical and out of character for tav. I hope they will add something more to it

[@robertkarp2070]

I don't see why people are so surprised. Everyone wants to get into Shadowheart's pants. The majority of NPC's in relationships are gay relationships.

[@elseggs6504]

Yes, like the Bonecloaks, Bex and Danis, Locke and Komira, Shadowheart and that Tiefling before he became a she, Mystra and every remotely gifted boy ever. All gay

[@Itashino2]

@@elseggs6504 I can't remember any hint whatsoever that Shart and Nocturne had a romantic/sexual relationship in the past, even with the noblestalk, it is said multiple times that they are friends, but nothing more, and Larian isn't exactly very subtle with that kind of things.

[@elseggs6504]

@@Itashino2 Its without the Noblestalk where Nocturne elaborates on being close in the past. Shadowheart does bring up that the Sharrans were particularly open when it comes to sex. Several times. Its not confirmed, but its not unlikely either. Especially when they grew up together.

[@fizzbrew]

Gaaaaaayyy!!!!