Antikythera Fragment #4 - Ancient Tool Technology - The First Hardened Steel?

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Antikythera Fragment #4 - Ancient Tool Technology - The First Hardened #steel
One of the key tool technologies that needs to be explored around the Antikythera mechanism is the simple hand held file. So this is the second of 2 Fragment videos relating to the making and hardening of a set of custom files, using materials and processes consistent with the period. Thanks for watching!
The first video where I make the files can be found here: • Antikythera Fragment #...
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Abbreviated Transcript:
00:09 As part of the process of investigating how the Antikythera Mechanism was made, I've made a set of hand cut files, using mild steel as a substitute for the wrought iron that was likely used in antiquity. But of course when it comes to hardening those cutting surfaces, there's a problem. And its the same problem as that faced by the original maker more than 2000 years ago. Mild steel, has insufficient carbon to simply heat and then quench harden.
00:37 So in this video I'm going to use the ancient process of case hardening to harden the file surfaces. It involves heating the work in close proximity to a carbon source, to absorb carbon into the surface prior to quenching.
01:54 The charcoal was then ground into a fine powder, in preparation for making the carbon pack. I mixed the carbon powder with salt and flour in the proportions onscreen, and then turned into a paste with a small amount of water. The paste was then packed ar ound the file surfaces, and then left to thoroughly dry. Now a reasonable degree of case hardening can be achieved by simply heating this carbon pack, as-is.
02:59 But to optimise the chemical reaction, the process is best conducted in an airtight environment. And traditionally, this was achieved by enclosing the carbon pack in clay. Again for convenience, I'm using a modern propane furnace to do the heating, but a charcoal furnace from the period would have been quite capable of raising the clay to a red heat. And its at this red heat temperature that the transformation begins
03:44 The metal is now in what's known as the Austenite phase, and has a strong affinity for more carbon. At the same time, the carbon pack is reacting at the steel surface generating a surplus of carbon that diffuses into the body of the steel. Effectively carburising the metal from the outside in. The depth of this carburisation is dependent on time.
04:05 The longer that I leave it in this heat, the deeper the resulting layer of high carbon steel. So while that's cooking, I'd like to show you the tests that I did earlier to figure out just how long the steel
needs to remain in the heat. I started with the same mild steel stock as the files, using a control piece and 4 carbon packed pieces. All were enclosed in clay, heated to a red heat, and then quenched in room temperature brine.
05:06 The Austenite has been transformed into a hard crystalline microstructure known as Martensite. That appears as a silver-white ring around the darker low carbon interior. And you can clearly see it progressing towards the centre of the metal, as a function of time. The longer the material spends in the heat, the
deeper the layer of martensite. Now a cutting tool like a file doesn't really need the hard layer to be particularly deep.
07:13 Today, modern steel composition means that there are several ways to form tempered martensite, in addition to the process that I've shown in this video. And we use it in much of our day to day life, mostly without even being aware of it. But in the ancient world, before it even had a name, this is one of the ways
that it was formed. Using a simple process, and the simplest of ingredients.
Antikythera Fragment #4 - Ancient Tool Technology - The First Hardened Steel

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@brandysigmon9066
@brandysigmon9066 6 жыл бұрын
I watch KZbin daily, I have seen every type of video you can think of. In my opinion this channel is one of the most informative and professionally put together channel's on KZbin. Does anyone agree?
@joshuaarellano6600
@joshuaarellano6600 4 жыл бұрын
I do for sure.
@schvanger
@schvanger 4 жыл бұрын
i have three degrees in mechanical engineering from MIT and I agree.
@STriderFIN77
@STriderFIN77 4 жыл бұрын
someone just some days ago told that This channel is must to watch, i agree
@Grewyd
@Grewyd 4 жыл бұрын
You need to watch dude who go to the jungle and do everything from scratch.That was awesome too.I forgot the name of channel.
@benpoole9505
@benpoole9505 4 жыл бұрын
@@Grewyd do you mean Primitive technology?
@Darkknight512
@Darkknight512 7 жыл бұрын
I love how the ringing sound of the rods breaking go higher and higher pitched signifying the material hardness change.
@Clickspring
@Clickspring 7 жыл бұрын
I was so glad that came up on the audio too!
@TjallingBlackCat
@TjallingBlackCat 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for bringing that up; I totally missed that the first time around!
@PeteBrubaker
@PeteBrubaker 7 жыл бұрын
I was hoping someone else caught that. The pitch difference was amazing!
@dm8264
@dm8264 7 жыл бұрын
Yea, I noticed that also. So cool!
@Nighthawkinlight
@Nighthawkinlight 7 жыл бұрын
Seeing that crossection of the snapped rods was just awesome. I've never really looked into case hardening before, I have uses for this. Great video
@Clickspring
@Clickspring 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you Ben :)
@kirkyd123
@kirkyd123 6 жыл бұрын
I agree. I had an involuntary jaw drop looking at the cross sections :)
@catohallstensen7533
@catohallstensen7533 5 жыл бұрын
What carbon content in % will you get from this process? And will it always be the same?
@Stormrunner0002
@Stormrunner0002 5 жыл бұрын
I was wondering NHIL, what would be the effect on black powder, if it was made with leather char.
@zuthalsoraniz6764
@zuthalsoraniz6764 3 жыл бұрын
One thing that is fascinating to me is how sharp the transition is. If it were a simple diffusion process, I'd expect a much smoother gradient, with no sharp line visible. I am no metallurgist, but what I guess might be happening is that the reaction from austenite to martensite is the rate-limiting step here, with the diffusion of carbon through the already-formed martensite being a lot faster.
@linkwokeup
@linkwokeup 4 жыл бұрын
There's nothing quite like seeing something clearly in the flesh. The way those test rods failed, and the picture perfect grain patterns across the breaks - exceptional. One of the best youtube videos I've ever seen, if not the.
@Clickspring
@Clickspring 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mitch, terrific to have you watching :)
@BrassLock
@BrassLock 7 жыл бұрын
In the late 50's Metal Work class I took in High School, we made screwdrivers from mild steel and then case hardened the blade by dipping it into some white paste, heating it and then tempering it to a straw colour. That's all I ever learned until today's fantastic lesson. Now I can repeat the basic case hardening process and make my own leather-stitching needles. Thank You!!
@Clickspring
@Clickspring 7 жыл бұрын
Great to have you watching mate :)
@thomasutley
@thomasutley 7 жыл бұрын
Chris, watching this took me straight back to my mechanical engineering metallurgy/materials science class. The difference is I learned more about carburizing from your video than I did from a PhD metallurgist professor. Excellent presentation!
@Clickspring
@Clickspring 7 жыл бұрын
Ha ha! Thank you mate!
@MaxMakerChannel
@MaxMakerChannel 7 жыл бұрын
Same here! Metallurgy was such a complex field of study. Every metal composition has its own charts and behaviour. There are also so many different effects happening at different temperatures and different material concentrations.
@Justplanecrazy25
@Justplanecrazy25 7 жыл бұрын
Thomas Utley Seriously! I remember basically looking at charts and atomic structures the whole time! This video brought far more clarity to carburizing over any diagram or text book.
@martinjelund9183
@martinjelund9183 7 жыл бұрын
I felt the exact same way looking back to my engineering classes. Keep making these great videos!
@Zamolxes77
@Zamolxes77 6 жыл бұрын
No shit, I subscribe to that, it took me months to understand the carburizing process back in college and how martensite forms, you explain it so well in 5 minutes. Comes to prove nothing is hard to learn, as long as you have a dedicated teacher that knows how to present the fucking information in an optimized way for easy assimilation. Learned more from several videos of blacksmiths on youtube than in 2 years of material study in college.
@ScottyBennitone
@ScottyBennitone 7 жыл бұрын
Absolutely the best channel there is on KZbin, hands down...
@vindawg101
@vindawg101 7 жыл бұрын
primitive technology is pretty dope too
@ScottyBennitone
@ScottyBennitone 7 жыл бұрын
no doubt.
@lordchickenhawk
@lordchickenhawk 7 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see a "Primitive Technology"/"Clickspring" collaboration video
@vindawg101
@vindawg101 7 жыл бұрын
Especially since they are both in Australia.
@asherdie
@asherdie 7 жыл бұрын
Joe Sax you obviously haven't seen AvE
@aussiebloke609
@aussiebloke609 7 жыл бұрын
I love how blasé Chris is..."I've made a set of hand-cut files...", like it's something you do of an afternoon when you're bored and have a couple of hours on your hands. Those files look awesome, mate - really nice, fine work there. ☺
@leonardpearlman4017
@leonardpearlman4017 5 жыл бұрын
It's astounding, really. He makes it seem so reasonable! If I made ONE FILE and it worked, I'd be ready to retire, I'd be showing to people for the rest of my life!
@jdlestina3882
@jdlestina3882 2 жыл бұрын
Really. He's like "Let me show you how to boil water so that you too can make oatmeal or hardboiled eggs." 😊
@skilletborne
@skilletborne 4 ай бұрын
It's something that I do Not the files yet, but I've been a tinkerer and maker all my life, and I can see myself doing this same project in my home forge
@julioalmeida4980
@julioalmeida4980 7 жыл бұрын
You are far better than most tv shows available. Thanks for your very hard work.
@Clickspring
@Clickspring 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you Julio, I appreciate your encouragement mate :)
@robertostman2075
@robertostman2075 7 жыл бұрын
yea I agree it's hard to compare..., stargate is one of my favorites, but that's mostly fantasy... and clickspring is the real deal... hey Mr click spring, check my channel, where I have added some tips to save money, these may come handy one day..
@ladislavlinhart8970
@ladislavlinhart8970 6 жыл бұрын
S op nm
@shonaoneill5151
@shonaoneill5151 5 жыл бұрын
Nah mate, there is nothing on TV that could compare to this. That is a guess as I don't watch television anymore, I used to as a kid, but there is nothing but rubbish on nowadays. Besides the fact I have very little time to invest in becoming a professional couch potato 😂
@bennmurhaaya8518
@bennmurhaaya8518 7 жыл бұрын
Austenite, martenite... I remember this from school. There's a whole complicated steel diagram but never during my school years have I seen such straightforward demonstration like here, with the four differently tempered pieces next to each other.
@oddjobbobb
@oddjobbobb 3 жыл бұрын
It is no wonder that blacksmithing were looked upon as magicians in the ancient world. Imagine the wonder that must have surrounded the blacksmiths shop when he was able to take salt flour and charcoal and produce a sword that would annihilate the bronze weapons that were also in use. No wonder blacksmiths were guarded and protected by the communities that had them, and often the object of kidnapping by communities that didn’t. Really, really excellent work. I am really enjoying this series of YTs. Thank you for taking the time to produce them.
@Clickspring
@Clickspring 7 жыл бұрын
One of the key tool technologies that needs to be explored around the Antikythera mechanism is the simple hand held file. So this is the second of 2 Fragment videos relating to the making and hardening of a set of custom files, using materials and processes consistent with the period. Thanks for watching! The first video where I make the files can be found here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iYDaaoqngrR7oKM
@nachtdiertje1972
@nachtdiertje1972 7 жыл бұрын
Wow, great videos as usual, but where do you get the new items? Every vid is a new subject and with firm background, but still interesting. I love your technique(s) and the way you show them.
@fredrik.larsen
@fredrik.larsen 7 жыл бұрын
This is really superb stuff. Thank you so much for sharing :) I love the nerdy details.
@AemilianaRosewood
@AemilianaRosewood 7 жыл бұрын
Clickspring about ur clickspring fire piston, didnt u make an exact video like that before?! And what's up with this channel and make channel? Ur the same persons
@Kineth1
@Kineth1 7 жыл бұрын
@Toast 4 Unicorn KZbin tells me that I already watched the fire piston video, so I'm guessing he republished it in coordination with the patreon discount for it.
@MrShadowRabbit
@MrShadowRabbit 7 жыл бұрын
This was really a great vid! lots of info, explained in an easy way to understand. I'm a gold smith and diamond setter from South Africa. I'm having trouble finding good quality tools. Planing on making a lot of my own hand tools. Thanks for posting this. It's going to be really help ful. BTW great job on those files!
@WoodfulProjects
@WoodfulProjects 3 жыл бұрын
Been years i’ve been looking for information on how to harden mild steel (basically add carbon). Never been able to find a complete information. This video is gold. Thanks a lot. Subscribed.
@BennettTheSmith
@BennettTheSmith 5 жыл бұрын
I have to come back and say thanks again for this video. I've used this process several times now to harden some train spike knives and I just did a rather large axe head! :D Your videos are just excellent.
@shtsurfer
@shtsurfer 6 жыл бұрын
If KZbin is a river, then this channel is a gold nugget.
@AppliedScience
@AppliedScience 7 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I love all of your videos, and especially this one!
@Clickspring
@Clickspring 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much Ben :)
@hazy-
@hazy- 7 жыл бұрын
This is one of my absolute favorite channels on all of KZbin! - High production quality - Concise information delivery - Provision of plans used - Unique content and projects Your content is gold, my friend. I am very happy that I found your channel!
@Clickspring
@Clickspring 7 жыл бұрын
Terrific to have you watching mate :)
@chrisjh777
@chrisjh777 7 жыл бұрын
This is the best explanation (and practical demonstration) of steel hardening I have ever seen. Makes perfect sense. I read somewhere that Ned Kelly used a crude form of hardening for his armour by heating in a fire to add carbon.
@Clickspring
@Clickspring 7 жыл бұрын
Now that would be a good video... Great to have you watching mate :)
@dtec30
@dtec30 7 жыл бұрын
this must have been a fun one to do on a wintery night watching the flames flicker and enjoying the warmth of the fire
@Clickspring
@Clickspring 7 жыл бұрын
It really was! thanks for watching :)
@westonmeans7321
@westonmeans7321 7 жыл бұрын
Multiple times since I've been in school for engineering I've thought, "man, am I even grasping anything that's going on?" Then I see videos like this, or conversations that I take part in, where I actually understand what's going on. Feels good to know I'm learning, even if it feel like I'm not sometimes
@Clickspring
@Clickspring 7 жыл бұрын
Great to have you watching Weston :)
@GreenBeetle
@GreenBeetle 7 жыл бұрын
So. Awesome.
@Clickspring
@Clickspring 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you mate!
@christiansantos7164
@christiansantos7164 4 жыл бұрын
I cannot believe you don’t have more than a million subscribers. You’re brilliant. Our community thanks you.
@TealCheetah
@TealCheetah 3 жыл бұрын
Cracking the clay open is so satisfying!
@marcmarc172
@marcmarc172 7 жыл бұрын
Incredibly informative and a joy to watch!
@IFalker
@IFalker 7 жыл бұрын
Truly intriguing videos, I find myself sitting with my mouth wide open looking at all the amazing stuff you do and the way you present it. Keep it up, can't wait for the next video in line!
@Clickspring
@Clickspring 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you mate, more on the way :)
@arikkone
@arikkone 7 жыл бұрын
This was absolutely amazing. Again. And the hammer hitting the clay... mmmyees!!
@Clickspring
@Clickspring 7 жыл бұрын
and cracking them open really was as much fun as it looks! Great to have you watching mate :)
@TheDrumminjay
@TheDrumminjay 5 жыл бұрын
Man, I love watching these videos. They're so interesting and satisfying to watch! Very well done and very intellectual!
@constantinosschinas4503
@constantinosschinas4503 5 жыл бұрын
one of your best videos. diverse, detailed, educating, beautiful. thanks for sharing.
@michaelraath3164
@michaelraath3164 7 жыл бұрын
This hands is down,worth the wait for!QUALITY CONTENT
@MaxMakerChannel
@MaxMakerChannel 7 жыл бұрын
limbofence Unfortunately those channels with the cheap content get most of the clicks.
@robertostman2075
@robertostman2075 7 жыл бұрын
well, I tend to agree, having said this, I suggest to take a look at my channel, where I have started to upload videos, I have already uploaded a tutorial for those spanish speakers regarding the use of the 3d modeling software named Rhino... I have also uploaded a few videos in english.... and I most say it seems like most of my videos will be in english... so don't get discouraged by the foreign language of the tutorial...
@yodebdut
@yodebdut 7 жыл бұрын
So long i have been waiting for a perfect and a well explained video of introduction carbon (carburizing) mild steel... Thank you very much for this beautiful video!
@Clickspring
@Clickspring 7 жыл бұрын
So pleased you enjoyed it mate :)
@yodebdut
@yodebdut 6 жыл бұрын
I have one more question can a knife made of mild steel be through hardened like this?
@hardhit777
@hardhit777 7 жыл бұрын
hands down my favorite channel on KZbin, thank you for what you do.
@bsk8349
@bsk8349 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this great video!! I love especially how clay looks after cooking.
@legotechniccreations6630
@legotechniccreations6630 7 жыл бұрын
Woooooo clickspring uploaded a video!!!! Now I don't have to watch the clock series for the 5th time. Awesome video!
@dekonfrost7
@dekonfrost7 4 жыл бұрын
This was a key way if making armor defeating arrow heads and spear tips. Good video.
@dbmail545
@dbmail545 4 жыл бұрын
Also used to surface harden wrought iron steel swords.
@Noise-Bomb
@Noise-Bomb 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing this stuff! You definitely saved my evening. It is incredible what one man with dedication can do. Keep it up!
@giglefreakz
@giglefreakz 7 жыл бұрын
This is probably why favourite video yet. This process is just so incredibly fascinating!
@Seanfrtd
@Seanfrtd 5 жыл бұрын
Based on the 1/4" rods you can basically make a chart to determine the length of time needed to heat vs thickness of any piece that you are working on in order to achieve the desired depth of carbonation. It's almost a better science than today's method for heat treating. Assuming that your layer of carbon and the layer of clay are always the same thickness...
@richardjoyce1102
@richardjoyce1102 7 жыл бұрын
The files are part cow now
@Clickspring
@Clickspring 7 жыл бұрын
Yes different from the udder ones I use...
@Yonatan24
@Yonatan24 7 жыл бұрын
These comments always put me in a good moooooood
@Clickspring
@Clickspring 7 жыл бұрын
should we milk this?
@Yonatan24
@Yonatan24 7 жыл бұрын
Chris, any type of mooooovie that you film is interesting!
@doubledarefan
@doubledarefan 7 жыл бұрын
That would be a good moooove.
@AMAINE207
@AMAINE207 5 жыл бұрын
This was so cool and informative. You have an amazing ability to relay information clearly. I honestly think you deserve awards for your show, and other works. Thank you!
@ryana2652
@ryana2652 7 жыл бұрын
Great informative video chris. You still amaze me after every video.
@nicholasofalexandria1286
@nicholasofalexandria1286 7 жыл бұрын
This is amazing! How did people in the past figure this stuff out!?!? They were certainly not dumb as we like to pretend they were.
@robertbackhaus8911
@robertbackhaus8911 7 жыл бұрын
Certainly not dumb - but the start would have been the observation that iron heated for a long time in a charcoal fire - something that would happen as a matter of course - becomes hard and brittle when quenched. Wrapping it in a charcoal paste and heating it in different ways would then be an obvious experiment. Just like Wrapping it in clay could have started as a way to stop the paste from burning off.
@jaky3
@jaky3 7 жыл бұрын
People have been very, very smart for a very long time. think of ancient greeks who thought up mathematics from thin air, of the theorems every single person uses in school and beyond to this day. How arriving at some solution requires you to use Pythagora's theorem for example. It's around 2500 year old concept. It's only the combined human knowledge that the smart persons of today push the boundaries further. They aren't necessarily any smarter at all, just have more information available. Standing at the shoulders of giants.
@Zamolxes77
@Zamolxes77 6 жыл бұрын
If you take an ancient greek human and compare the IQ with a modern human, it would be identical. Our Ancestors from 4,000 years ago were completely identical to us, only difference perhaps would be some enzyme in the gut. If you were to take an infant from 4,000 years ago, bring him to the present and teach him, it would turn out no different than any of us. The only difference is education. With modern tools we can condense information and we know more about stuff, thanks to the inventivity and experimentation of our ancestors.
@simonhopkins3867
@simonhopkins3867 6 жыл бұрын
Probably smarter than people today. Idiocracy is real ;-)
@leonardpearlman4017
@leonardpearlman4017 5 жыл бұрын
It might have taken ten thousand years!
@bnjyable
@bnjyable 7 жыл бұрын
Three videos on the same day!? I must be dreaming :D
@mxcollin95
@mxcollin95 7 жыл бұрын
Super super cool man! I'm constantly being blown away by your skills/workmanship! Keep up the amazing and interesting vids!!! 👍
@lindseyzacek5211
@lindseyzacek5211 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome..Easy to understand and works very well..Thanks for sharing...Great video!
@bikefarmtaiwan1800
@bikefarmtaiwan1800 6 жыл бұрын
I had foolishly thought the Antikythera videos would not be as entertaining and educational as the clock build videos.... silly me :( Super work Chris- well done mate!
@TheBaconWizard
@TheBaconWizard 7 жыл бұрын
This was very cool. Subscribed :) I am curious what purpose the salt has in the carbon-mixture.
@Clickspring
@Clickspring 7 жыл бұрын
I am too - The old texts are clear that common salt (NaCl) is essential for success, but are silent on its precise purpose. My guess is that it acts as a catalyst for the CO reaction, but I have no evidence to support that guess :)
@sorushflummi411
@sorushflummi411 Жыл бұрын
@@Clickspring Super aAmazing Video and Great Insights!! I had the same Question, can You test it? Doing the same Process with varying Amounts of Salt? Also for the Carbon Source probably any Carbon can be used?
@dm8264
@dm8264 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome! I feel more educated after watching your videos, Chris. Keep up the good work!
@jamesstuartjamieson650
@jamesstuartjamieson650 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely wonderful to watch and learn
@superdau
@superdau 7 жыл бұрын
Watching this project I got to say that I care way more about the way it could be (and most likely was) done than the project itself. I often ask myself what could be done without all the benefits of modern civilization.
@robertlombardo8437
@robertlombardo8437 4 жыл бұрын
You're a genius! I've been looking all over for such a process as this! Does it have to be charred leather or could I use any source of carbon? I've got a lot of dry palm fronds.
@Tugmun11
@Tugmun11 7 жыл бұрын
I can't tell you how much I enjoy your video's I watched the entire Clock build with the special tool builds along the way. Now this one is quite a delight also. Yes I'v been a subscriber scene near the beginning of the clock build... and I'm looking forward to more. Thanks Many Thanks
@Zorn101
@Zorn101 6 жыл бұрын
Absolutely fascinating video!
@VyacheslavAzarov
@VyacheslavAzarov 7 жыл бұрын
Nice video. What is the purpose of salt in the mix?
@priestleyharker4046
@priestleyharker4046 5 жыл бұрын
How to get a subscriber, be like this dude. Legend, and an Aussie!
@adrianwilliams763
@adrianwilliams763 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome. Appreciate your hard work to bring us these videos.
@Clickspring
@Clickspring 7 жыл бұрын
Cheers Adrian, terrific to have you watching mate :)
@cabrauzimm
@cabrauzimm 7 жыл бұрын
thank you for this amazing video. I always wanted to know more about those old methods. One of the best videos ever made on the subject
@eumoria
@eumoria 7 жыл бұрын
Question! If you were worried about air why did you make a loose fit in the clay with a broomstick then drop the carbon wrapped file into it. It's isolated from the fire but is just bouncing around in that space full of gas. Wouldn't it been better to roll clay around the file tightly, no gap? I'm sure there's a reason why not. Thanks!
@Clickspring
@Clickspring 7 жыл бұрын
Space is required to permit expansion of the metal without cracking, the airtight seal is required to ensure that the carbon monoxide reaction remains in equilibrium - thanks for watching and asking :)
@superdau
@superdau 7 жыл бұрын
Compared to the carbon wrap there's almost no oxygen in the cavity around it. There's no problem if a little bit of the carbon burns. It uses up most of the oxygen immediately, then the reaction stays at a steady state.
@gregfeneis609
@gregfeneis609 7 жыл бұрын
Perhaps could purge the clay cavity with CO2 or some such before sealing up?
@jasondoe2596
@jasondoe2596 6 жыл бұрын
Greg Feneis, why? Some carbon will burn with the oxygen and turn into the very same CO2 (and CO ;)
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 7 жыл бұрын
Interesting formulation for the carbon - source - never seen or tried that one. usually use a mix of charcoal and bone meal I think it is. Yours certainly seem super effective. That was a great demo.
@dekonfrost7
@dekonfrost7 4 жыл бұрын
ChrisB257 the bone meal ads phosphorus
@Hongqie
@Hongqie 6 жыл бұрын
Thank for your awesome and insightful videos.
@enrip.6540
@enrip.6540 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for sharing this knowledge, I have to say that I got really excited watching this! The traditional case hardening process and file making will really be usefull for me in historical reenacting and metal working.
@nickwoo2
@nickwoo2 6 жыл бұрын
That grain structure is quite large. I would recommend normalizing 2-3 times before quenching. The carbon will remain in the steel in this quick process and would greatly improve structure.
@rich1051414
@rich1051414 6 жыл бұрын
He was not making a modern file, but an ancient representation of files they would be using. AFAIK, tempering is the only normalization that was performed back then.
@nickwoo2
@nickwoo2 6 жыл бұрын
Richard Smith i do not believe tempering does anything to the grain. I'll have to check on that but still we can use out knowledge of normalizing to make a better tool even of it is old style .
@D-Vinko
@D-Vinko 4 жыл бұрын
@@nickwoo2 His intention was never to make a better tool, it was entirely about the abilities of the ancients. Ancient people didnt understand the complexities of normalization; they just knew that heating metal to a certain color, and treating it a certain way, caused it to get hard and brittle, or soft and malleable. His intention is to discover how they made such a fine and complex machine using only their ancient knowledge.
@UtubeEric12345
@UtubeEric12345 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, as always =D A question: what kind of clay is the white clay that you used for the other shell? It's looks very nice and malleable.
@Clickspring
@Clickspring 7 жыл бұрын
I used this clay: shop.walkerceramics.com.au/AA21/Feeneys-White-Stoneware-~10kg-NEW/pd.php I don't have any experience to compare, but it performed the task well :)
@UtubeEric12345
@UtubeEric12345 7 жыл бұрын
Clickspring Great, thanks mate!
@Verolasz
@Verolasz 6 жыл бұрын
dude, this is by far one of the best videos on the topic i've ever seen. Congratulation for the absolutely awesome content and keep up the good work!
@kenlilienthal3537
@kenlilienthal3537 6 жыл бұрын
This is the best case hardening video I have seen. Thank you for this very helpful video. I love your projects!
@artconnolly9519
@artconnolly9519 7 жыл бұрын
so interesting
@PastenTube
@PastenTube 7 жыл бұрын
So could you basically use this dark coloured clay the way you used it to get high carbon steel for knifemaking out of a normal flat bar of soft steel? Hope you understand what I mean. Sorry if this is a dumb question, but I have absolutely no clue about metalworking but want to learn it step by step.
@Clickspring
@Clickspring 7 жыл бұрын
You could, but as good as the results were for the ancient world, today you'll get a much better result for knifemaking with the modern alloy steels - thanks for watching and asking :)
@PastenTube
@PastenTube 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for answering my question :)
@oevr37
@oevr37 5 жыл бұрын
This is the video I watched most out of all on youtube, gonna try this on a knife I am making. Thx clickspring, this is a very clear informative video!
@KowboyUSA
@KowboyUSA 7 жыл бұрын
Love the period tool making and technology! Incredible!
@derekstratton6063
@derekstratton6063 7 жыл бұрын
what is the significance of heating the completed files to a straw color and a blue color on the back end?
@Clickspring
@Clickspring 7 жыл бұрын
It tempers the very brittle steel back to something that will survive the force of cutting. If I left them full hard, they would very rapidly chip and become blunt - thanks for watching and asking :)
@cojones8518
@cojones8518 7 жыл бұрын
Just to add, different oxides form on the surface of steel at different temperatures. It's an ancient way to gauge temperatures. Tempering softens the steel based on how hot you heat it. Yellow/straw is formed at a low temp ~200C, so it won't soften the steel much. Blue and Purple form at hotter temps ~300-350C and will soften the steel quite a bit.
@fisharmor
@fisharmor 6 жыл бұрын
The tang is heated blue because it's the interface with the user and experiences more flexing stress than other parts of the tool. It's made as soft as possible because it doesn't need to be hard, and softening it will make sure that undue stress will bend it prior to snapping it. Knife and sword tangs are done the same way.
@JeepTherapy
@JeepTherapy 6 жыл бұрын
I thought it just allowed for the atoms to rearrange themselves so that they're not clustered on the atomic level. That would later cause microscopic fractures and break?
@D-Vinko
@D-Vinko 4 жыл бұрын
@@JeepTherapy You are thinking of Nornalizing, which is bringing the metal up to a more critical temperature, then allowing it to cool in air. This causes the metal to "relax", as it were. Tempering, more or less, is normalizing on a very small scale. Bringing the temperature up to a far lower temperature, then allowing it to cook in air, normalizing it very very minimally, which relaxes some of the tightness caused by hardening.
@Rouverius
@Rouverius 7 жыл бұрын
Ah, the ole's file inside the cake trick. Do prison guard's still fall for this?
@DobraEspacial
@DobraEspacial 6 жыл бұрын
I really can't believe how good this videos are. Thanks for sharing so much!!!!
@886014
@886014 6 жыл бұрын
Brilliantly done Chris, the test samples at different intervals were absolutely fantastic information. I hadn't popped in to your channel for quite some time. I remember when you first started, and now have over 300,000 subscribers. Absolutely awesome work, and congratulations on setting the bar so high for KZbin content.
@TakeshiM
@TakeshiM 7 жыл бұрын
man, the last time I was this early, I had to be kept in an incubator for a month...
@TorbTorb
@TorbTorb 5 жыл бұрын
Haha good one
@tk429
@tk429 7 жыл бұрын
Why leather charcoal instead of wood? Also, could you take a small item and do the process for say 120 - 150 minutes. Would that completely convert it to steel?
@calicodan1556
@calicodan1556 7 жыл бұрын
Tim Fox Uniformity of carboni think. Leather has been processed to be pretty much all one material (fibourous skin structures) whereas wood contains many more materials, lignin, cellulose etc
@Clickspring
@Clickspring 7 жыл бұрын
Its hard to be sure on this Tim - Animal based charcoal is specified in all of the old texts that I tracked down, but the actual reason for using it in preference to simple wood charcoal is not specified. Color case hardening of gun parts uses animal based charcoal too, and apparently the use of wood charcoal attenuates the color effect - so it would appear that there's a lot more going on in the chemistry than is immediately apparent - thanks for watching and asking mate :)
@CorwynGC
@CorwynGC 7 жыл бұрын
Clickspring Perfect charcoal would be 100% carbon. grinding is going to remove any large scale structure that might be different. Still confused.
@matman7546
@matman7546 7 жыл бұрын
CorwynGC ya it doesn't make sense. Ground up carbon is ground up carbon
@simon_far
@simon_far 7 жыл бұрын
except it isn't pure carbon, everything has impurities, apparently the impurities in animal-based carbon work better than the impurities in plant-based carbon.
@perrydear6306
@perrydear6306 2 жыл бұрын
This is fantastic! The quality of production the information imparted all first class!
@manickn6819
@manickn6819 7 жыл бұрын
Unparalleled patience. Great skill. Good attitude. This is just a pleasure to watch.
@user-ge4uk9ui8y
@user-ge4uk9ui8y 4 жыл бұрын
What if you made bread from that carbon flour dough?
@skunkjobb
@skunkjobb 3 жыл бұрын
That would be a high carbon diet :-)
@goose300183
@goose300183 7 жыл бұрын
I bet you can make great sausage rolls.
@sandervanduren2779
@sandervanduren2779 6 жыл бұрын
goose183 as in Worstenbroodjes?
@goose300183
@goose300183 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, similar to that. Ours here in the UK do not have bread or yeast though, just pastry. The way he prepares the case-hardening samples from 3:00 onwards reminds me of them.
@sandervanduren2779
@sandervanduren2779 6 жыл бұрын
goose183 that sounds pretty good. Is it a flaky pastry?
@Ti13wyldcard
@Ti13wyldcard 6 жыл бұрын
The quality of production, narration and dedication in your videos is simply jaw dropping!
@scottgarloff1390
@scottgarloff1390 7 жыл бұрын
excellent video .. your dedication in your total project is unheard of. thank you for all your efforts
@mathewritchie
@mathewritchie 7 жыл бұрын
Why add salt?.
@Clickspring
@Clickspring 7 жыл бұрын
As best as I can tell, its a catalyst for the CO reaction, but I haven't been able to track down a definitive answer on that yet - thanks for watching and asking Mathew :)
@robertbackhaus8911
@robertbackhaus8911 7 жыл бұрын
My thought is that salt is used in cooking to improve the structure of dough - which is what you make with flour and water. So it makes sense that it would have been added at some time to stop the paste from cracking. It probably then was found to improve the hardening.
@superdau
@superdau 7 жыл бұрын
I know as a kid we sometimes made "play dough" out of flour, salt and water. When left to dry it went hard and could even be painted. So maybe it's mostly used for its shaping properties? (and flour sure doesn't hurt when you want carbon around)
@blackthornknives
@blackthornknives 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely EXCELLENT WORK 👌
@almonies
@almonies 6 жыл бұрын
Dude that was awesome. I'm just starting up my home work shop. Your videos are a gold mine. Thanks :)
@racma8698
@racma8698 7 жыл бұрын
What an historical lesson of tools ! Applauses and callback. Thank you very much indeed.
@millie19301
@millie19301 7 жыл бұрын
This was a fascinating video. Thanks for the research and efforts. Cheers!
@nakulverma7148
@nakulverma7148 7 жыл бұрын
Fantastic as always Chris. Loving this series as much as the clock.
@Clickspring
@Clickspring 7 жыл бұрын
Terrific to hear that mate :)
@johndilsaver8409
@johndilsaver8409 5 жыл бұрын
The demo you did with heating the various rods for increasing amounts of time is wonderful. I want to do this myself, and I have most of what I need to do it. Thank you so much!!
@billysgeo
@billysgeo 6 жыл бұрын
Epic metalworking video! With great visual explanations!
@benw4467
@benw4467 7 жыл бұрын
Cool series, thanks Chris!
@Cherokee140Driver
@Cherokee140Driver 7 жыл бұрын
Your level of commitment to this project is astonishing.
@68sweetnovember
@68sweetnovember 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent in every detail.
@brendenfullmer1052
@brendenfullmer1052 7 жыл бұрын
These episodes are so cool! Great job man!
@3DCGdesign
@3DCGdesign 4 жыл бұрын
Chris, your excellence has inspired me to try to do better at everything I do. Thank you.
@abnorcscreenname8489
@abnorcscreenname8489 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! The fact that these techniques were known so long ago blows my mind.
@DrDarksting
@DrDarksting 6 жыл бұрын
waaw ! i love your traditionnal hardened steel technique ! thx for this and love your other video on ancient tool!
@zartas91
@zartas91 7 жыл бұрын
Clickspring you are making such a Great work!! These side videos of the new Project are as interesting as the principal ones! Thank you so much!
@Clickspring
@Clickspring 7 жыл бұрын
So pleased you are enjoying them mate!
@Grizzydan
@Grizzydan 5 жыл бұрын
Absolutely fantastic information.
@killerkane1957
@killerkane1957 7 жыл бұрын
Click it didn't dawn on me what tools would be required for this project. It makes perfect sense to approach this as they would have. Very impressive. Su Amigo Siempre
@Clickspring
@Clickspring 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you mate :)
@nonyabeeznuss304
@nonyabeeznuss304 6 жыл бұрын
Love it! You often see old artifacts that are amazing, but what often gets overlooked is how many simple tools we take forgranted today had to be invented to make the major artifact possible.
@toramac
@toramac 7 жыл бұрын
You are a consumate professional, absolutely fascinating to see the process involved in literally everything you do. Bravo!
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