Climate change 🌁: Are we all doomed? - UpFront

[@mycount64]

we have known since the 70's this was happening. I recall in the 90's talk like we must roll back carbon emissions... 30 years later and we still have not done anything meaningful ... not bottom up and not top down... nothing meaningful as it has worsened every year.

[@EmeraldView]

I was there. I actually believed we would do something. What a naive idiot I was.

[@roberthayes5949]

If we aren’t concerned we then are apathetic. Which has the best outcome that will change the way we make choices to change our future? David’s article gets my vote. Hands down.

[@markgigiel2722]

We need to all scream from the rafters because it's possibly too late already to save humanity because Capitalism isn't giving up. It's not time to talk gently. Even if we do a WW2 mobilization, it may not be enough. We waited too long. Very few people are being honest to the detriment of us all.

[@johnmiller7453]

you start big shot.

[@MrFriendsfirst]

Wrong and right. Global warming is a myth but the globalists arent losers and they wont lose.

[@unapologeticvegan]

So right Mark! 💚✌

[@christinearmington]

Yeah, a weatherman should give the worst case scenario. We haven’t been getting that over the last thirty years. Scientists weren’t putting all the pieces together for fear of being called alarmists or of losing their jobs.

[@Peter-nv3wu]

In one word, YES

[@carolyngrinberg6889]

So long, and thanks for all the fish.

[@robmanzoni5766]

Brilliant - thank you...!

[@386alexander]

Fish stocks are recovering worldwide. Sorry about the Good news!😄

[@EmeraldView]

@@386alexander only in your imagination

[@allrawpaul]

Yes, we are all doomed. Runaway global warming is well underway and it will be abrupt, extreme, catastrophic, irreversible and unsurvivable. Habitat for humans will disappear by 2030, because plants and animals will not be able to adapt to rapid global temperature rise which is locked in because of the drastic changes human pollution has made to atmospheric chemistry. With dead oceans and all the land plants and animals dead, humans will go extinct. We broke it, we cant fix it, and we are doomed because of it. Human extinction seems to be the only way to stop the runaway, omnicidal, toxic heat engine that is Capitalistic, oligarchic, kleptocratic, and utterly corrupt industrial civilization.

[@RodMartinJr]

+allrawpaul, no, we live in an Ice Age and we're experiencing a natural warming period, just like the Medieval, Roman, and Minoan -- 1,000-year cycle.

[@markgigiel2722]

We overrode the ice age with our pollution and you are very very wrong. I hope you don't have children.

[@dannygjk]

ok Rod post the links from scientists who say that and I want to see a large proportion not just a 1% opinion.

[@dannygjk]

+Rod Martin, Jr. As for your cycle need I remind you that was hundreds of years before we started to strongly influence the level of CO2 in the atmosphere.

[@kevintrye7605]

Possibly. It may be 'natural' for the earth, but not humans. The last time this occurred there were no humans on earth... 'Natural' is not always a good thing....

[@paulaxford6754]

Andrew Freedman has no idea that this is a one way deal. He thinks it’s a 50/50 thing and that is his failing.

[@nicholasflamel1134]

Yeah, instead of talking about what the ACTUAL SCIENTISTS had to say, lets just bring on a corporate tool to talk about how we shouldn't be that concerned about it. Your fossil fuel sponsors will be SO proud of you.

[@samshelton436]

The Human race has advanced on the back of that 1 in a million, in a billion, brillant persons through history. 99.5 percent of the world lives off tech. that they don't understand but couldn't live without.

[@livethemoment5148]

exactly...most people are blithering more-ons

[@EmeraldView]

@@livethemoment5148 I know many of those morons. There is no hope. We f ked ourselves good.

[@timlindamrk6231]

Its not gona be inhabitebel its just gona be pain to live here

[@NoraGermain]

We have very little time to fix this. We can fix this. But we must grasp the urgency.

[@EmeraldView]

You said that 3 years ago. You were probably wrong then. Now it's absolutely too late. We can't (and most certainly won't if we could) save ourselves.

[@jk35260]

I tend to agree with David Wallace that an uninhabital Earth is possible. Firstly, climate models do not take into considerations the positive feedback loop from other factors such as thawing of permafrost. But other feedback loop such as lost of more glaciers, forest and wetlands, increased moisture in the atmosphere, release of more greenhouse gases from both the sea and land are already occuring. At this point, it is already a challenge to expand the amount of greenspace as forest are now more prune to catching fire. 2nd reason. Capitalism continues to be the main driver that requires countries to prioritise economic progress over concern for climate change. To date the rate at which CO2 is being released continue to increase. Deteriorating environmental condition will only put further pressure to rely on fossil fuel to deal with such condition. E.g. heatwave results in increased power demand mainly from air-conditioning. Thirdly, there are many hidden extreme dangers that can happen even before sea level rises to dangerous level. For instance, extreme flooding that not only last longer but also affects larger area and with increase frequency. There is also possibility that large chunk of Arctic ice sheet collapsing that can cause sudden surge in sea level. Political climate is also likely to deteriorate further making it even more difficult for collective global action. There is also a possibility that some desperate country might decide to use geoengineering to try to save themselves. So war resulting from geoengineering is plausible as well. So I think current climate change projection is excessively conservative. It is sad but we are still in a mindset of denying all this perilous danger.

[@roberthicks1612]

I hate to tell you this but they DO take into account EVERY POSSIBLE positive feedback loops and ignore every negative feedback loop, which is why their models are so big a failure.

[@deniselauzon1010]

We're doomed because wild capitalism is spreading and being reinforced by politicians and corporates. Overpopulation is also making things worst.

[@semigeniusreally8988]

You can believe that we are past the tipping point and that the interaction of scores of positive feedback loops will doom us within a decade or two. You can believe that we can make it as a species to 2050, or even as far away as 2100. Bottom line: We continue to do nothing to combat, slow or effectively deal with the problem, so the end result is, "who cares how long?" It's going to be over sooner rather than later for life on this planet, so let's just make our peace with that and prepare for the end of life here. All these guys do is argue about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin when the angels have already left the building. They provide false hope and delay reality. Better that we make our peace with the simple, undeniable fact that, even if we live out our lives, our children won't. And it won't happen in a day or a year or a decade; the collapse of society and the insanity that will inevitably follow will take years to play out. I actually consider it a blessing of sorts that I am old enough to take comfort from the realization that I will not be around long enough to shoot the hordes breaking down my door to eat me until my ammunition runs out; but, sadly, my grandchildren certainly will not have that comfort extended to them.

[@incognitotorpedo42]

What makes you say that we are doing nothing? The ground transport is transitioning from internal combustion to electric. Renewable energy sources (primarily wind and solar) are growing by leaps and bounds, and coal is on the way out. We have reduced consumption for lighting, A/C, household appliances and water use dramatically in the past 30 years. You just don't know what is going on.

[@semigeniusreally8988]

If you care to believe that what you reference might actually make a difference, well, just keep thinking that so you can sleep well at night. The truth is that (1) the major polluters and the major pollutants continue virtually undeterred and unrestrained; and (2) it's simply too late to do anything to stave off - let alone simply postpone - the inevitable Sixth Mass Extinction. With more than 70 self-reinforcing feedback loops at work - and now interacting with each other - and with the continued burning of fossil fuels in greater measures each year, and with the discovery of the "global dimming effect" if we were to stop burning ALL fossil fuels TOMORROW, the handwriting has been on the wall for a century and the handwringing has begun. Now, you might want to think that a few more "transitioning" steps and some major discovery will avoid the inevitable catastrophe, and if so, then I admire your naivete and hope (self-delusion being itself a self-reinforcing feedback loop); If you are Christian, you'd be better off hoping for Jesus's return to save our souls that relying on technology and cooperation we just don't have the ability to create. I, for one, am going to simply spend my remaining time here enjoying the time I have left with the people and activities I love. After all, "mass" extinction is ultimately just a shibboleth; we all die sometime. Any one of us could have a stroke, get hit by a bus or choke on a chicken bone tomorrow and that might be our own personal extinction, but some of us will have the questionable pleasure of hanging around long enough to die en masse. Death is death, baby: Don't take living just a few years longer all that serious.

[@roberthicks1612]

I hate to tell you that the tipping point was passed in 1990. The end of humanity is to be 2015.... wait....what....

[@cheryllee81]

@@semigeniusreally8988 Nobody is coming to save any of us.

[@EmeraldView]

@IncognitoTorpedo it's 2023. 4% of new cars on American roads are electric. Global CO2 emissions in 2022 were record highs. As were all other greenhouse gasses. Sorry to burst your bubble. Prepare for the end. And I don't mean be a prepper. They won't last much longer than anyone else. Weeks or months. Why bother?

[@scin3759]

How about carbon taxing people who choose to have children? Researchers from Lund University in Sweden found having one fewer child per family can save “an average of 58.6 tonnes of CO2-equivalent emissions per year”.

[@incognitotorpedo42]

S Cin, how about just a carbon tax, period?

[@KD-cg9iq]

Hello as in, Well of course, I agree with man made climate change. But let me ask you, who made all these man ? You may not have done some breeding but The biggest contribution one can make towards the destruction of the earths biosphere is the creation of more humans . The ecological footprint that comes with breeding is unsurpassed..... I am not responsible for me being on earth but I am responsible for the human climate changers conceived by me . Therefore I choose not to breed., most people however choose to be self interested hypocrites......

[@m9078jk3]

@@KD-cg9iq How about taxing those whom have children but also giving large financial rewards every year to those whom chose not to have children perhaps a $10,000 USD yearly reward. Right now there are financial incentives to having children and that should be reversed.

[@KD-cg9iq]

Hello m90, this is actually the only effective measure the prevent total human extinction......

[@roberthicks1612]

How about reading real science and finding that the atmosphere is not sensitive to increased co2.

[@NoraGermain]

Why is this guy so sure this is not going to be "very very bad?"

[@snowmiser4893]

Failed climate communicator argues his case for remaining ineffective.

[@dnbjedi]

The problem is that it is profitable to lie and obfuscate.... "Mashable"

[@martineg8398]

Hardly fatalistic this could be deadly true

[@nick000002]

300 nuclear meltdowns plus plastic plus venus’s weather will be our legacy, not cooool

[@EmeraldView]

Yes we are. And soon.

[@Peter-nv3wu]

To put it simply, YES

[@Kektamusprime]

the first speaker says he was presenting a worst case scenario...well looks like we are headed there because other than a slight dip during covid emissions across the board have only gone up, enjoy the stability while you can folks its been some what fun

[@EmeraldView]

Work on that bucket list soon. Aka... now!

[@drrbrt]

3 years ago and its happening now in 2021.

[@EmeraldView]

2023 and little has been done. They told us years ago we needed to start cutting carbon emissions dramatically every year from then on until we reach zero, and even then we would need to pull carbon out of the atmosphere. Well... carbon emissions have only increased. 2022 was a new record for carbon emissions. As well as all other greenhouse gasses. Sorry humanity, it was nice knowing you. And sort of fun while it lasted. But mostly miserable so... good riddance?

[@Mageroeth]

Are you saying people shouldn't be terrified about climate change andrew?

[@christiandom9165]

I don’t think “all” of humanity is doomed; however, the majority of humanity will cease to exist as we enter the sixth mass extinction. The process of evolution will allow certain animal DNA (humans included) to survive.

[@eye4lies]

Depopulation istead of deforestation

[@troydavis4452]

Then the Methane Hydrates enter the room!

[@EmeraldView]

😭

[@rajubaju9070]

My country benefits from global warming. Warmer winters? Bring them on! Because of warmer winters we will use less coal to warm our houses. Because of that we will lower CO2 emiissions and we will save lots of money by doing that. That also means less smog which is really serious problem here in winter in some cities.

[@firemannate6187]

So I live in this town most my life went away for work for a year at a time off and on over 25 years we used to get a 6 week window front the middle of July to the beginning of September were it would be in the 90's the whole time with a week of 99 to 103 some where in that time frame you could count on this year in year out the last five years it's in the 90's now and has already been in the 90's a few times from the end of April to today June 6th and now our 10 week window is 99 to 109 we are a huge farming community and the consequences are already being seen less mature produce smaller produce drier lands we are finding dead deer from hunger at the end of summer we used to have winter kill offs but we haven't seen significant snow in years now they are dying at the end of summer for lack of nutrients it's happening and people I know don't believe in global warming but they know something scary is happening they have been arming themselves preparing for the worst knowing that climate change is a hoax but realize that something bad is happening pay attention it's coming faster that you think

[@livethemoment5148]

have you ever heard of punctuation you more-on?

[@bargdaffy1535]

Michael Mann works for what corporation again?

[@mariar8261]

Oh, but this IS going to be very, very bad. Already is. We're just on the brink, but some places are full-on there. What a nonsensical stance that we should ignore this reality. How bout dropping down in, say, Yemen to help you understand.

[@EmeraldView]

It's getting worse and worse. Insects have all but disappeared where I live in the last 2 years. It's disturbing.

[@MrBirdshot]

Andrew Friedman, my humble observation is that the time for sensitized small-talk and half measures are over. We are already on the downturn of the rollercoaster, albeit it still relatively slowly but even you agree that the pace is picking up. I need to remind you of a simple law of 3's - 3 minutes without air, 3 days without water and 3 weeks without food. The increasing spate of drastic climate events and its impact on all living beings from bleached coral, to forced migration to sea water contaminating drinking water, are vindicating people like James Lovelock, Guy McPherson and opther prominent scientists who contributed via data to this piece. I am not interested in who is right or wrong or who is scaring who - soon you will have to face a machete-wielding zombie who is hunger and desperate and have nothing to lose and intent on taking what you have and raping your wife or girlfriend and / or daughter (like we are experiencing NOW in South Africa). The only questions you have to ask yourself is how overweight are you, how fit are you, what skills and resources you have and how prepared are you because they are coming for you in America too like they do in Europe, as we speak.

[@Spooky_man]

Why would you care if the majority of world population would starve to death, cause the food production dried out. That doesn’t affect you... right? Just 15 ish years of the global temperature to spiral out of control ( AKA no matter what we do it ain’t getting better) I mean it just took 15 years for global temperature to add one degree to the chart

[@mothergoose6087]

Just dealing with change. Ask some of those disaster victims. Change change change! Understanding the earth cycles. Understanding what is happening on the ground. Out guess what Mother Nature is going to do.

[@celestialteapot3310]

You could always pray to Allah, that always works.

[@sunkcostfallacy2738]

Works about as well as doing nothing at all.

[@europaeuropa3673]

LOL at all the doomsday prognosticators....................mentally disturbed prognosticators have been predicting human doom for hundreds even thousands of years and not a single one has even been remotely close.

[@cheryllee81]

This time it's for real, and nobody is coming to save us.

[@SamPasserdoodlesandhappenings]

Sam Passer You all seem to have lost the will to try. I know things seem tough at this point. Maybe it’s because of our current government. Maybe it’s because people don’t have the courage to do something about it. But I’ve seen a lot of times when people help. We can’t give up now. I know I sound like an idiot to you and probably I’m falling on deaf ears, but I still have some hope that something will happen as long as we take action.

[@EmeraldView]

Too late I'm afraid. I'm sorry.

[@shantiegeetha]

Yess

[@johnmiller7453]

So what is it Mr. Click Bait. Are we doomed?

[@roberthicks1612]

Not if you read REAL peer review magazines. In real peer review, you have people of the same science review your paper before its published. In AGW magazine, you have just any one review it. All they have to do is claim to be a climate science and they can review anything that is climate related. For instance, in agw magazines, they act as if the artic melt off began in 1970 and show how it is worse since then and no one says a thing. In glaciology magazines they use real data to show that we are in about the same place as it was in 1950. This data is reviewed by real glaciologist and it is accepted. Another example, a few years ago they had a new satellite that made maps of the Antarctic ice and they claimed in agw magazines that it proved that the ice was melting. It only took one person trained in reading maps to point out the map did not match what the author was claiming to have it take down. You still have alarmist repeating that claim but they have no data to back it up since the internet site that had it retracted all data on it.

[@katerinakouzalou8464]

If people they did see a real problem. ...What you sagest and why as you specialist dont doing in active to do something for a mother era our ecosystem ☺🌐

[@livethemoment5148]

did you attend school in the short bus?

[@warrenpeece1726]

Yes, we are all doomed to continue paying increasing carbon taxes that are, evidently, doing nothing to mitigate climate change.

[@krzystofsibilla3516]

It is important how we die,make a choice to love all beings,yes it is possible and that death may spark something we have no idea yet.

[@PaulJones-oj4kr]

THE mistake was to take the UN projections. which is to say the IPCC's projections. Almost all follow-up studies use the IPCC/UN basic data. Happily, those data have been overturned via deep analyses of the numbers, the models, and a host of malfeasance.

[@grindupBaker]

Sounds legit.

[@barrybloggs9474]

Somebody please name one of Al Gore's predictions that has come true???

[@RodMartinJr]

Private prediction that he would become rich from this scam. Meanwhile, we still live in an Ice Age, and the last time I checked, warmth was preferable to ice.

[@barrybloggs9474]

Exactly. Perfect answer.

[@quebecer4605]

Arctic sea ice would be gone by 2013 or 2014.

[@biggav7434]

We would get more severe storms

[@HenrikE81]

what difference do it make, we can just remove the co2 anyway. The technology for that is already out there, the biggest issue is the cost, and when the biggest issue is the cost, there is no issue really. The danger is over.

[@cheryllee81]

You've been eating too much ketchup.

[@celestialteapot3310]

Medi Hassan could always pray... that should do it.

[@breaks0]

Wallace-Wells' work in this piece has been dismissed by Michael Mann, who at the same time compliments his other work. It's alarmist and hyperbolic, which given the denial movements power and wealth (if not great in number of adherents) at best doesn't help, or more dangerously could "feed the beast". Believe me, we don't want that. As Mann puts it, things are bad enough as they are.

[@DavidLee-ot4pz]

Bugs cannot live in frozen environment and climate change will benefit them. It is ironic that their dead bodies exons ago will give them new life.

[@cheryllee81]

Pathogens too.

[@nlorand9033]

People talk about climate change being a threat to the world. No. People are that can either make the world a better or worse place. When wars are happening for resources I do not think the people affected are worried about climate change. How is the world helping the Amazon rain forest and indigenous tribes that inhabit them.. These people will eventually be made to conform one way or another. Norway is happy to make millions from its oil revenue with most of its own electric etc being green. Yet Norway is a big polluter but not in its own country. Electric cars are not green. Where is the lithium mining going on. It is not environmental. People make the earth uninhabitable by the actions of greed. Wars displaced the people. The data is not adding up about climate change. Scientists who support climate change do not have the data to back up human intervention. Al Gore has made millions of dollars for himself and buddies who make money from something that has not been proven by human interaction.

[@MrDavidBFoster]

Seven going-on twenty billion people... How many energy efficient lightbulbs do you figure it'll take?

[@RodMartinJr]

How about enjoying the warmth while we have it -- on our tiny island of less ice in this ongoing Ice Age?

[@MrDavidBFoster]

I was wondering if you were still alive.. What happened, did Lord Vladimir reassign you to the Trump show?

[@RodMartinJr]

No, Dave. Nothing so sinister.

[@manictiger]

7.6 billion, actually.

[@RaffyCrespo]

OMG, now you realized that you guys are doomed? lol. Where you where living? in DOHA lol

[@richardbrabbs8283]

Im not scared god will save us

[@RodMartinJr]

We live in an Ice Age. (Hint: those 2 "little" white things at the poles.) And climate has changed for nearly 4.5 billion years. Suddenly, it's dangerous. Only if you have some propaganda to sell. Every major warming period of the Holocene, led to abundance and prosperity for those ready to take advantage of it. Cooling led to famines and societal collapse.

[@robdrich8556]

It's dangerous because the speed at which it is occurring. Forgot about that didn't you? or rather your sources leave that out because it destroys their entire assertion.

[@renehernandez558]

One word hoax. Ppl do ur research.lmao

[@livethemoment5148]

i did my research...and it is not a hoax...and humanity is doomed by 2050

[@ednagettobed5793]

No.

[@bumblebee9337]

Don't terrify people, that never works.