CLOB (Astaroth) VS SpectreChild (Raphael) - Online Set (12.03.2020)

[@kingkonglomerate]

As an Asta player I feel Clob’s pain here. Raph’s pressure is insane and Asta doesn’t have a lot of defensive options to deal with it. Spectre being an Asta player as well means he knows how to exploit these weaknesses. It’s very much an uphill battle.

[@Hetoo0ld]

I notice that Clob refuses to use RE. I can respect that, but it’s needed in this match up against Raphael. As much as I hate to say RE is a needed tool in a matchup.

[@ams9449]

not really, Asta's RE is garbage. By far the slowest in the game. It's so slow than they see it coming, sidestep you and deal massive damage. Not worth it. Clob played perfectly. It's just a horrible matchup for Asta.

[@TOILETPOOL]

10:00 wtf why did this grapple do so little damage??? Compared to 8:38

[@XoniwabanX]

because Astaroth connected this throw on an ukemi or tech trap combo and also the gut system was activated (when the life bar are in the yellow state) the opponent take less damage. Basically Astaroth connect that throw in a combo and it had scaled damage

[@TOILETPOOL]

@@XoniwabanX can we agree that that is dumb? think about it Astaroth goes for a tech trap grab that may not even work because the opponent could get up earlier or later than he expect or not at all this leaving him open to be punished then if somehow he does get the grab still a grab that someone can break... dumb this would make sense if the opponent was stun / trapped in a combo that they couldn't get out of but a tech trap that solely depends on timing them getting up till fall for it... I say dumb to even consider Tech traps part of a combo even Extra dumb

[@TheFilipFonky]

@@TOILETPOOL I think the grab is guaranteed. It can be broken but not avoided

[@TOILETPOOL]

@@TheFilipFonky you realize he could have avoided it by *not* getting up... Right? No matter how you look at it the ideal behind why that does/did less damage is dumb. Image if you will if this game made you do less damage for crushing a high? that is to say you punished a high because you knew it was coming you ducked it while doing a low attack and the game said oh you guessed right so let's have you do less damage... ( now in this scenario the low is guaranteed because you're ducking a high at the time of your attack and they can't block while attacking or break and to make matters worse they can't break out of an attack so why doesn't that do less damage because its dumb, dumb dumb dummy MF dumb) damage scaling should only occur in combos, not single attack reads (.)

[@TheFilipFonky]

@@TOILETPOOL True true but if he stays on the ground then Astaroth gets other guaranteed stuff. It's called oki, and remember that one of his grabs rings out

[@asherridge9561]

Does anyone know how to do that move where astorath picks them up by their neck with his has and walks them back and throws them??

[@talentedmale15]

Yeah look at his grabs

[@richarduxx]

man clob astaroth is so exciting to watch

[@brandonlucio173]

Can’t he low grab Raphael out of the arched back stance he does before an attack or did they patch it ???

[@Scotvenom]

He can, but that's easier said than done.

[@talentedmale15]

@@Scotvenom definitely. Im trying to get better at that now. Punishing people for spamming my slow Astaroth lol

[@FatherMulk]

This matchup sucks so much fucking shit for Astaroth. It isn't even fun to watch it's so lopsided.

[@kidbuu9195]

27:41 he’s nuts 😂

[@skylarvermillion9679]

I love Asty's outfit here. So dapper. He cleans up so nicely. 😝

[@TOILETPOOL]

I don't understand how game developers can leave a character so half assed as astaroth why wont they fix this character

[@XoniwabanX]

Astaroth is a great character, maybe he need some tweaks but the game is so balanced

[@dimmuborgir82]

@@XoniwabanX wouldnt say this match up is balanced.

[@TOILETPOOL]

@@XoniwabanX sorry friend this game isn't balanced you have to know the amount of work an astaroth has to put in to win is far greater then the rest of the cast he is the most unsafe hard to open your opponent up character in this game everything astaroth does the are at least two characters who do it waaaay better he doesn't even excel at his own play style

[@XoniwabanX]

@@TOILETPOOL The game is pretty balanced. Maybe for new or casual players this soul calibur could be "unfair" but a lot of pro player, or player with experience in the franchise and other FG, agree with the fact SC6 has a cool Balance. Astaroth always was character with high risk and high reward, his gameplay design is based on this concept. Learn how to play with the character and his MU, study the mechanics of the game, gut system, run counter, stun combo and tech traps for example and then you can talk about balance

[@TOILETPOOL]

@@XoniwabanX really name one astaroth pro player who plays with him now and says he's balanced? Please and please indicate where I can find this/these player(s) admitting this. See I think your and my definition of balanced are two completely different meanings and 100% our definitions of high-risk high-reward are completely different I'll share with you why this game is unbalanced when it comes to astaroth and why his high-risk high-reward makes no sense, lests start off with his speed Astaroth is with out a doubt the slowest character in sc6 which in any normal balanced fighting game would be perfectly fine he just would have to make up for his slowness with frame traps counters built-in punishers attack Mix-Ups (and I say "attack" Mix-Ups for reason) but astaroth barely really has true frame traps and the rest just doesn't exist now (he has the Universal frame traps such as the blue spark moves and only two true frames traps which are d, AA and BB, f but the soul problem with these frame traps are that they give Astaroth frame Advantage as if he's of normal characters speed only 4 to 2 frames which means there are some characters that can completely mash out of his plus frame traps? But see this only pertains to a astaroth no other character in this game can again plus frame advantage and have another character still beat out their fastest move while being at negative frames this is a Astaroth specific problem, Astaroth has no defense he's meant to some how be a slow rush down character (lmao... sorry didn't mean to laugh just that sentence makes no sense to me ) he has no character specific way to get opponents off of him he doesn't have counters to bait incoming attacks a quick punishing mid to oppose spamming whereas other characters who are faster than him have such equipment now this will be a reoccurring statement but he has the "Universal GI" but again there are characters who are faster than him who do what he does better who have better more dependable ways to get characters off of them without having to depend on gi . Now for this high-risk high-rewar bullcrap, my definition of high-risk high-reward is if I'm right I am rewarded and if I am wrong I am punished you may disagree with this but I think most people's definition of high-risk high-reward fall along these lines, and let's be honest the high-risk high-reward only really pertains to the grapple moves, problem is Astaroth can be * right * and not get rewarded the fact that his grapples are even escapable makes absolutely no sense when he still has to guess whether or not the opponents are going to stand or duck and I don't even know if I should even touch on how crappy is armor is in this game compared to others the fact that he can be knocked out of his armor when characters like nightmare gets guaranteed damage off of most attacks is dumb enclosing the reason why this game isn't balanced when it comes to this character is because he has every problems that every character has plus problems they will never face, I apologize I stopped going into a lot of deep detail because I realize how long this was getting

[@nosurvivors100]

raphs damage is fucking insane

[@ryanvacation7319]

So much work for Asta

[@XiaolinDraconis]

After seeing this I now hate Raphael more than Nightmare...

[@DivineDeviation]

Raphael the Spam Machine

[@kaumewilliams9942]

its not spam if its his turn. fundamentally spectre was playing way more sound. it also helps that this is a shitty match up for asta.

[@DivineDeviation]

@@kaumewilliams9942 it's basically always his turn, so Raphael player can push buttons with no care in the world - thus it's a Spam Machine. Can you push buttons with Astaroth and get away with it? Can you spam with Astaroth? No? That's what I thought. Ergo, Raph the Spam Machine.

[@kaumewilliams9942]

@@DivineDeviation no he is really negative on alot of his stuff (especially on the moves that track). asta just has a hard time dealing with it because he doesn't have fast enough mid to beat his stance options. also spamming would mean you were doing the same moves over and over again. mashing would be attacking out of negative advantage. the raphael player just made really good reads for the most part and stayed in astas face. Thats just match up problems. can raphael do this to amy or x. all asta has to do is get him to do his tracking moves and its his turn. also why would you make asta like that. what he lacks in high volume he makes up for in plus frames and damage.

[@DivineDeviation]

@@kaumewilliams9942 so you mean to tell me that Raph, Amy and Maxi aren't spam happy characters? There are those who can mash and those who can't, it's that simple. Can you mash with Nightmare? With Asta and Sieg? Ofc you cannot. Ofc MU is a factor but let's be real, with some characters even scrubs can mash their way to victory.

[@kaumewilliams9942]

@@DivineDeviation if you are losing to mash then that's on you. yes characters require you to know the match up more or its death. so yes you can lose to a spamming or mashing nightmare or Siegfried. the only ways to lose to mash is mu knowledge or lag. that's clearly not the case in this match.

[@IFRITAANGEL]

Raphael need big nerf pleese...