You are exactly correct. It all came down to the mechanic, which is absurd.

Yes, something that there is a single example of in the several years they've been using replay definitely means something is "really wrong". Sure, sure. Umpires miss ball and strike calls EVERY SINGLE GAME that result in outs that should not be outs, and vice-versa. But yeah, this one single example shows there's something really wrong with baseball for using replay. The umpire made the wrong call. The call should not have been safe, it should have been called a push-off. And since the push-off rule specifically gives the umpire DISCRETION to make the determination, it would not have been reviewable. So the umpire did, in fact, fuck up. It's not replay, it's the umpire.

That will ultimately lead to more umpires explicitly calling baserunners safe for violations of the rule which then prevents the defensive manager from appealing the original out/safe call on close plays.

If the White Sox challenged the play primarily because the ump hadn't given the 'forced off the base' signal, that's pretty smart. Cheap/dirty, maybe. But smart.

@@danielj6880 Why does there need to be a signal for the rule to be enforced? It's a ridiculous decision.

​@@bigpoppa1234I can see the logic. It's similar to how in the NFL, replay can't judge discretion calls. The rulebook thinks that the ump standing there is better equipped to tell whether there was a push-off than a slow-mo replay is. The issue is that the ump failed to make that call, which leads to this absurd failure of a result.

@@bigpoppa1234 Because a push off is a 'judgement' call, and those can only be made on the field, and since it was not called a pushoff on field, they can not use it in replay.

From what I understand, since the Umpire did not signal pushoff (which is an umpire opinion), so they can not use that rule in replay.

The idea is that they (rightly imo) don't want replay to use 100 slow-mo angles to look frame by frame and try and find a push-off, so the rule is to leave judging push-off for the live ump and let replay go frame by frame on tag/no-tag. Which is fine most of the time but breaks down completely like this when the ump blows an obvious push-off call.

@@Math.BanditYa this is 100% on the ump for not calling that. I assume he saw the runner as safe regardless of the push-off so didn’t use that reasoning.

@@ingiford175 i can't even find what an umpire pushoff signal looks like... would it be like a shoving motion with both hands? or the same sign as obstruction, just pointing at the offending player? I know when a runner comes off the bag, it's a little swipe left or right with both hands, but pushoff?

​@@tinkutocquevilleSame mechanic: sweep the arms.

: the whole point is that the umpire didn't get it right. He was supposed to signal safe due to the fielder's push. He didn't. Chaos ensued.

@@reign69heirit’s a blown call and an umpire error. Or perhaps an incomplete call. Safe signal has to be followed by a dynamic push off signal. Malachi will learn from his mistake.

@@rayray4192 Malachi wasn't the one who made the mistake.

@@priceright8963 Malachi has made errors as a triple A umpire. He’s one of the best umpires on planet earth, but I saw him kick the shit out of a call at home plate last year from row 1 at the plate. . Umpires learn by making errors. The safe signal Malachi signaled must be immediately followed by an explanation signal why the runner is safe. He’s safe because he was pushed off second base. A dynamic demonstrative explanation signal communicates why the runner is safe, and would have possibly shut down all the bullshit. It’s a blown call. It happens. He will never not signal again. Lesson learned.

@@priceright8963 Whichever ump is it that made the safe call is the one that blew this.

Someone had the under on Draft kings, thats how.

It’s not the umpires’ fault. It’s not the replay umpires’ fault. It is the fault of MLB and how they have written their rulebook. The OBR rulebook is VERY specific about what can be reviewed and how it can be reviewed. There should be a nuance for this and…there is not so, the replay umpires MUST call this as it is written.

​@1969EType yes. And on the way home from the ballpark 10,000 fans got speeding tickets for driving 5 mph over the speed limit.

@@michaelwankewycz6209 The law says they are speeding. I’ve gotten pulled over, cited, went before the judge with a perfect driving record…and got fined. Umpires have judgement, too…but not when the rulebook restricts them from using their judgement. That’s Lindsay’s point…there is not enough common sense in the rules and the umpires’ collective hands are tied. It’s wrong. It’s a problem. I don’t like it anymore than you do. But, the umpires are not the blame. If they don’t call this the way the book tells them to? They don’t work for MLB anymore.

Because the second-based umpire DID NOT CALL A PUSH-OFF. He just called safe. The runner was clearly tagged when he was off the base. The umpire had DISCRETION to nullify the out and keep the runner on second by calling a push-off. But he failed to do that. If he had just done that, which would have been the proper call, then the review couldn't happen. Because of his simple safe call, it can be challenged because the runner was tagged while off the base.

Umpire did not get it right. He should have called a push-off. He did not. He just called safe. That was a mistake on his part. If he had made the proper call it could not have even been reviewed. HEAVY pro-umpire bias on this channel. Or perhaps just a lack of understanding.

If they do, maybe umpires will start making the correct call. All the ump had to do was call a push-off, and none of this would have happened. So if umps just do their jobs, pushing players off the base will result in nothing. Except maybe the umps warning the teams to knock it the fuck off.

Worse - they've CREATED absurd calls.

This is what happens the Rules Committee appointed by Manfred has 5 Owners, 3 MLBPA reps, and 1 Umpire rep to give himself unilateral control over the rule changes.

​@@UncleVatred hmmmmm. I would think it's more that it seems like 5 people are in that place in New York that is Replay. They aren't baseball players but seem to be some fans on some teams how they make their calls. Baseball needs a complete reworking, along with an automatic strike zone.

​@@piratescove4 The replay officials called this play by the replay rules. They did their jobs correctly. The problem is the rulebook which forces them to call the runner out

@@catman-du8927 I assure you there are many more problems than just the stupid rule book.

@@piratescove4 For this play it is the rulebook. Also the people in the replay center are normal umpires that cycle through. Replay center one week, Reds at Brewers the next.

LOL. It does nothing of the sort. This is a ridiculous comment.

Going through your comment leads me to believe you dont understand whats happening t all.

@@trevoravery9270 No, he's exactly right. Moore just signaled "safe." If he had signaled that he was safe due to a push-off, the play wouldn't have been reviewable. Because the push-off wasn't called on the field, the play was reviewable and replay called the runner out as he was tagged while off the base.

I think the umpire didn't miss it, he just cut to the chase and said no you pushed him off he is safe.

The current replay rules do not allow judgement calls to be reviewed other than in exceptionally specific circumstances like the catcher blocking home plate rules. Otherwise, the stuff that can be reviewed is factual (tag or no tag, touch base or no base, fair or foul, home run or double) and never judgement calls (out of baseline, any kind of interference or obstruction, etc)

@@cufflink9558 1991 WS G2. Hrbek lifts Gant off the bag, blatantly, almost picking him up over his shoulders. Gant gets called out. /watch?v=MiraekmCNv4

Ron Gant was clearly out. 😁

​@@cufflink9558go watch highlights of the 1991 World Series. He was a cheater.

That was my first thought when watching this.

typical White Sox bs

Funny thing is it may have played a role in the brawl the night after too. Absolutely nuts.

Something New York failed to do.

The mess up was that the call on the field was a safe call, not a force off base and therefore safe call. The second is a 'judgement' and can not be added by review. So review only determines if the runner was off base at any time while being tagged and can not consider a force off because that is only available for those umps on the field.

@@ingiford175 Good point.

Terrible analysis. The umpire at second MADE THE WRONG CALL. He should have called the push-off rule, which is based on umpire's discretion and is therefore NOT REVIEWABLE. But instead he just called him safe, which is the wrong call, and it what allowed the review to happen in the first place.

And strangely enough, the Ump did call it right.

@@ChiefBerry He did not. The right call would have been a push-off. He just called him safe. That was the wrong call. If he had called push-off then the play could not have been reviewed since it's discretionary.

What they should do is make a rule that says that if a play is overturned on review, any judgement call that would be necessary under the new result that was not required under the old one and therefore not made by the umpire shall be made by the replay official This isnt the only situation where we see this interaction, where a judgment call is irrelevant under the call the umpire made, so they make no ruling, but if reversed, the judgement is now automatically 'no', even though the umpire had no need to call that part of the play A good example of this might be a scenario where you have a runner's lane interference violation by the runner, but he still ends up out. (ball hits his shoulder and 1b can still catch it, for instance). But replay shows that 1bs foot came off the bag, so now the runner is safe - but the runner also committed RLI, which didn't get called because he was already out, and can't be reviewed. RLI isn't usually reviewable, but such a rule would make it reviewable in this situation, where it became a relevant judgement because of the overturned call. There are a lot of weird corner cases like this that come up rarely - once a season or less - and could all be fixed with that simple tweak. Personally, I would also be for changing the base safe rules to one where once a guy's body has come above or even with the base he's sliding into, he can't be put out for momentarily coming disconnected, all of these 'hold the glove on him in case for a split second he's not touching the base' challenges suck and aren't a good addition to the game. It's one thing if the guy is sliding into the bag and his foot brushes it and comes off and he's then tagged before the rest of his body reaches the base - he didn't really ever gain the base in that situation. But the ones where guys are stopped or momentarily lose contact on a pop-up slide or the like and are out due to something that can only ever be located on replay should simply be eliminated through a rule change.

If Tim Anderson does his dirty work again, someone should knock out him once more since the stupid umpires do nothing.

In a perfect world, yes. It would appear Moore simply didn’t see the push off or at least didn’t signal it. So assuming he didn’t see the push off, the safe call he makes is correct just for a technically incorrect reason. And that’s why replay overturned it.

you cant seriously tell me Malachi thought they would overturn this, he did "get it right"

@@tw1nn319 No, hence his reaction. Didn't change that Fucking Francona was right.

@@michaelfalkner1186 so wtf do you want him to do!? he called him safe!

@@tw1nn319you should signal pushed off the base if applicable.

@@mbdg6810 he didnt think he had to bc he didn't think the dumbass in the replay booth would call him out if he didn't. You know he will in the future because of this though

No, because it was not signaled.

There is NOTHING savvy about having replay officials make their rulings based on the bets they have at Draft Kings.

Yeah, wondered about the center fielder, too ( 1:03 ). I don't think he's supposed to signal 'out', I think the mechanics should've been to 'award' the base to the runner by pointing to the base and announcing that the runner gets the base due to being forced off.

replay is final decision

The problem is that judgment calls (or lack of them) are simply not allowed to be reviewed, so this has to be called live by the base umpire, and all the replay can do is determine whether the guy came off the bag. They can't "overrule" his choice not to rule this was a push-off, because all judgment calls are unreviewable.

There is. That was the problem here. The umpire just gave the standard safe call and did not indicate that the fielder forced the runner off the base. That's why it's allowed to go to replay in the first place, and why when it does go to replay it's purely a matter of whether the runner was tagged while off the base. I get whey the result of the replay is frustrating. But the fault here lies with the umpire. He watched the runner forced off the base clear as day and knew full well the runner was absolutely tagged while off the base. He knows full well that if he doesn't indicate the force off there that the runner will be ruled out if it goes to replay. He needs to make the indication for a force off which would have prevented this from happening.

​​​@@Rowgue51 Ya, the umpire was correct and wrong on this play. This falls under the failure to communicate banner. Umpire should have called safe then time and gave a verbal "runner stays here" while pointing at the the base.

Since he didn't call "pushed off base" he did technically miss the call.

@@PapaVanTwee5 No he didn't

Partly. I think Anderson said something to another Guardians rookie such that an umpire told him to knock it off.

Finally someone said it. This is what started the fight last night. Gotta protect the rookies

Replay’s decisions are final and can’t be changed afterward for any reason

That's the issue though, it's not. Technically they didn't review if he was pushed off, they reviewed if he had been tagged off of the base, which he was, no why he was.

@@duelist301 Exactly. This is why replay is broken.

The relay officials know the rules too well. They got the play correct per the rules. We will see if they change to the rule to allow replay to determine player being pushed off.

@smalls3187 Yeah, I mean, it is clear as day that he shoved his hand off. In this instance, it should not have been reviewable.

No, New York can't review if he was pushed off. That's on the field umpire to decide and signal.