Cloud9 Have Ruined the Best Player's Career

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This video is about Cloud9 and the situation around dropping yay, the best Valorant player in the world. They have already dropped him and Vanity, and picked up new players before they play in VCT Americas against Sentinels, LOUD, 100 Thieves and many more teams. Nobody wants the best Valorant player, but does that make C9 the worst org in Valorant Franchising? I don't think so!
Footage/Image credit to Riot Games, Cloud9

[@CommendYT]

Cloud9 may have handled this situation poorly, but they may have had no choice with their finances. I don't think they're a bad org, and I'm sure they'll prove that over their time in the league. Hope you guys enjoyed!

[@Josephidh82]

i disagree. While not the worst org what they did to yay preventing him from playing was an asshole thing to do

[@SirCarmelli]

​@@Josephidh82ho2 do they prevent it

[@dommy1715]

They have messed up numerous times like this, for example they had LS on c9 as head coach, he was constructing a new roster and expanding new ideas and forms of drafting, then suddenly after 2-4 games of c9 performing very well, he gets cut with no communication hours before the decision had been finalized.

[@thewhutnow5795]

L take

[@sxnchou]

clickbait title. never answered the question and there are plenty of other orgs who did shady stuff after franchising. look at RRQ who basically kept the same T2 roster to bag the money

[@Chris-gx9zy]

I honestly just feel bad for Yay. Imagine being claimed as one of the best players in the world last year to not being on a team this year. Cloud 9 messed up big time and this *may* cost his career.

[@prxtryhard9683]

He may still become a player for a franchised team but staying away from the game that long it'll be near impossible to claim his spot at the 🐐 again

[@ayyitshift]

honestly, i feel like that's what also happened with gambit (m3c) they really got messed up by covid just like how yay got messed up by c9's finances but the only difference between this is that gambit's situation couldn't be controlled but c9 could have

[@ssarkos5148]

@@ayyitshift they got messed up by the russian invasion, not covid

[@343JustMe]

It won't cost his career as long as he keeps his skills sharpened

[@timmynotjerry]

@@ayyitshift wasn’t covid

[@note5068]

Imagine being a Tier 2 player and having yay as an enemy😂

[@theinterruptedlife1783]

Now imagine defeating him

[@phonix1661]

radiant smurfing in bronze

[@Gelusss]

been there done that it’s literal hell

[@vinsmoke4155]

bro its valorant anyone can be as good as yay aim wise

[@suyp9604]

jokes aside, just because its called "tier 2" doesnt mean they're worse than most of "tier 1" teams. It's a new format and the better teams will slowly climb up to the franchise league and the worse will drop down. It's just matter of time. But implying that tier 2 is not that good as of right now, that's talking bullshit, just saying. Teams like M80 or TheGuard/G2 etc. would play extremely well in the franchise league in my opinion. I'm not even talking as a fan since i don't really care much about it. I've just seen many tier 2 matches and they all played very very well from a strategy and team-synergy standpoint. If you disagree i think you haven't seen the tier 2 at all... (i mean, please, look at teams like karmine corp, you cant say that the franchise league is THAT better of a league bro) TLDR: tier 2 is not that bad as people think just because its called "tier 2" and not "tier 1". And its not gonna be like a "radiant yay smurfing in bronze" type of thing trust me lol.

[@jaykera]

Imagine being the goat and losing your job because the org you trusted is broke 💀

[@nerrvous1]

Players shouldnt have salaries. Top players already make money streaming. Prize pools should be much larger. Teams should be formed by the players. Not by large corporations who just want to build the best team for the best value. If the only way for pros to make money in tournament play was through prizes, then naturally you would see the most competitive teams form, because pros would form teams based on their actual confidence and synergy in the lineup, versus just taking whichever team offers them the best contract, even if that team sucks.

[@crazemlbb8434]

​@@nerrvous1 it's like saying , Messi and Ronaldo should not get payed salaries because they already get money from doing advertisements , although partially true , it's not a secure source of income

[@Ramiyeon]

@@nerrvous1 I refuse to believe this is a real comment and not a bait

[@icingcold8654]

@@nerrvous1 Youre a clown honestly

[@klpzxy]

@@nerrvous1 lil bro this don’t make sense

[@Gelo_Tin]

Yay is so good that the only thing stopping him from going pro is finding an org that can afford him

[@batatanna]

Yea but ngl yay is the kind of player who needs an igl that recognizes his potential and macroplans around him. There are very few igls currently that would fulfill this requirement like FNS, Sadhaak, benkai to say some names, vanity wasn't it

[@WorldKeepsSpinnin]

@@batatanna you mean anyone with a brain? Its not a hard concept to understand “support your best player”, hell you could even “bait” your best player and hide behind his massive presence to destroy the enemy team. To yay it would feel like his team is adapting to him and would make him play even better.

[@scoot5642]

@@WorldKeepsSpinnin anyone with a brain can say that, but to do it effectively every round is different. any general can tell u a great plan, but a great general will execute and led u with a great plan

[@bench2346]

that's not how pro markets work, and definitely not in a situation like this. players desperate to find a new team at the eleventh hour don't just hold firm on top-5 highest international salary level if their priority is finding a team. the reality is this happened so late in the game to where 1) teams spent 2-3 months building synergy and don't want to destroy that days before their season starts 2) players like tenz/zekken, cryo, ardiis etc. are not the kind of players you just drop for yay before they've had a chance to perform and 3) the signing deadline already passed and there won't be any more signing windows for the 2023 season.

[@nowaaru]

@@scoot5642 wise words mister radiant man

[@coledorillo6685]

We are actually in the worst timeline. Somehow, someway the goat is not even on a team. Apparently, according to George geddes, Yay was willing to take a paycut but C9 still cut him.

[@nerrvous1]

Thats because orgs dont care about winning, their only concern is getting the best talent possible for the smallest investment possible.

[@neznit5993]

@@nerrvous1 doesn't make sense. Getting the best and not winning at the same time, what in the ..

[@elsc1479]

@@neznit5993 it does though, theyre not willing to make the expenses necessary to win, theyre just trying to get the best talents at the cheapest prices

[@Jack-iu5um]

@@elsc1479 ....because the esport bubble is popping....

[@polyento3535]

​@@nerrvous1they had Yay, they saw him perform. He didn't do bad but if another player can do the same thing for much less the why invest more?

[@PoolsaLeestreak]

DSG just signed Yay.. dropping all his team Yay is expected to 1v5 M80, 13-0, all 69 maps honestly... it might be more doable than his previous roster

[@Phantomx_Strider]

W

[@ViXoZuDo]

and they actually signed him lol

[@minari3462]

@@ViXoZuDo i mean its obvious, with all the teasing people would be madge if it wasn't true and toast wasnt completely denying it just kept saying he was expensive kekw

[@elephantisland695]

Esports is sadly just in a really bad spot right now. Player contracts are way too high for the value they provide. C9 fucked up signing yay in the first place, and yeah dropping him suddenly is shitty but they kind of had to. Hopefully the scene is able to bounce back in the next few years

[@ShatteredCelestial]

Esports in general and orgs need to find a new way to monetize, or reduce player salary's

[@nerrvous1]

Players shouldnt have salaries. Top players already make money streaming. Prize pools should be much larger. Teams should be formed by the players. Not by large corporations who just want to build the best team for the best value. If the only way for pros to make money in tournament play was through prizes, then naturally you would see the most competitive teams form, because pros would form teams based on their actual confidence and synergy in the lineup, versus just taking whichever team offers them the best contract, even if that team sucks.

[@MebiManga]

But orgs would definitely want to sign players and coaches that can help the org win. They will sit down and figure out what works for them and what doesn't. C9 is the only exception here that creates a superteam only to drop 2 players so quickly. We don't see such a drastic news from the other 29 franchised teams from around the world. Some other teams are definitely performing below expectations, yes, but we can assume they are still trying to figure things out to win, instead of having the mindset to piggyback off this franchising move for a year. The players themselves know if they dont perform well they will be dropped. This is a full time job for them, of course they will need salaries. Streaming can be considered a side hustle. However it's up to the orgs and the players themselves to prepare a realistic amount so both sides will help each other out. On the other hand, what will happen if teams don't win tournaments? If they are placed 12th out of 12th for a tournament? Do they get a decent amount of money enough for them to survive? That's going to be very very large sum of money that game companies have to offer for one single tournament. If not, how will they continue playing in the pro scene if they can't feed themselves?

[@BlankZs3]

@@nerrvous1 im probably slightly half agreeing with this but i will disagree. E sports is like an actual sports. Like football. It must be founded corporations. The value of the players depends on its performance. If the players are getting salary by prize pools it would be bad. Since prize pools are not that much money. But like you said prize pools should be higher but thats also not good for the games. The corporations that running the games will bankrupt. Why? The increased prize pools will affect its own games team will decrease and will affect the game developments or the performance of the live events. (What will happen?) The corporations of the game itself will decrease the prize pools so that they could bring more events with better performance. Players that make money from streaming are also making alot of money but. Streaming platform such as Twitch are cutting down certain percentage. That's why "companies" started to ask the streamers to promote their shit for popularities of said companies while also giving the streamers certain amount of money based on their popularities. But pro players making only money from sponsorship, twitch cutdown payments and youtube revenue. By this: 1: The pro players just make their money by twitch but not playing tournaments. They just streams and published videos. 2: If said players quit then what will happened to the org (player org as you said) Will the org find a new player. 3: And this is why salary exist for org. if the players want to switch teams or quit it will be weird since by having org (players founded) would want to grab the high performance players. Thats why salary on players exists. Because the reasons on salary exists because it will keep the player on their org/teams.

[@EliAs-ub6yf]

@@nerrvous1 what? Most serious pro players do not stream stable times for it to be profitable at all. Are you out of your mind?

[@L6Jeremy]

If Yay brings DSG a trophy and ascension he’ll solidify himself as the GOAT of this era

[@AP.-.]

Man I’m hoping they do rooting more than before! Pls imagine if that happens.. c9 rlly threw

[@gingeral253]

I’m not sure if DSG could have the team to bring home a trophy, but if that happens I’ll be so happy.

[@L0wSkiller]

Yay will need to bring the HEAT but if anyone can do it I think Yay can

[@kotonbads]

if they even come close to franchising it will be such a huge accomplishment

[@Exhalted1]

yeahh that didn't turn out so well his performance has become very mid in the tier 3 scene

[@phm04]

so technically, all of this is because of Andrew Tate

[@Mh2sK1]

the butterfly effect is real

[@p4l4sh2]

Basically

[@p4l4sh2]

@@Mh2sK1 what's. Utter fly effect??

[@dagskyzen]

@@p4l4sh2 something small that causes something something bigger to happen

[@hastyscorpion]

No C9 didn't replace g2, EG did.

[@Arjun-hp2sp]

More recently it was said yay was willing to take a pay cut but they still dropped him, mad

[@dagskyzen]

yay was arguably the best valorant player. it is unfortunate that in this vct season, the best player would be on no team. hope yay will find a team sooner or later

[@bergbilch]

the problem is that the pro scene in valorant isnt that reliant on "skilled" players there are so many meta changes that staying ahead of it is far more important than raw skill its not like csgo where you have individuals that just tower over everyone else with skill alone if you would intoduce meta changes every few months in csgo i can gurantee you wouldnt see the same players at the top each time. so yeah yay not finding a team is more related to the game ´than anything else

[@jackfrost9524]

1 trick chamber is gone now aspas and derke are new best players in valorant

[@ish4ra]

@@jackfrost9524 no. there are lot of best players. less is best player in loud. alfajaer,chronicle,leo are best players in fnatic. you only know duliest player or star players?

[@scoot5642]

@@ish4ra chill, those 3 are def insane but derek is their best player although not by much. they're all insane and with booster big brain, they were bound to win a champion

[@ish4ra]

@@scoot5642 derke is worst player in fnatic

[@KTT94]

C9 did a nasty move. Buy and lock in yay so they can drop him before the season begins so no other team would be able to pick him up.

[@nikplaysgames4734]

This actually is kinda plausible. From a corporate POV, if you drop him early another team can pick him up, and that will give the C9 team competition against the best player in the world. By dropping him after the season start, he won’t be on a T1 NA team, so C9 won’t have to worry about facing him

[@ababilashari9970]

@@nikplaysgames4734 this is omegadumb , c9 took an L, this doesnt look good for anybody

[@obsoleterandomness3548]

Mel said they were offered an extension with C9W. They chose to turn it down because they wouldn’t have been allowed to compete in the challenger open qualifier.

[@EmirAssassin]

why not?

[@obsoleterandomness3548]

@@EmirAssassin Cause Riot doesn’t want a situation where one organization has two franchised teams. If C9W won ascension, Cloud9 would’ve had 2 franchised teams, which Riot wants to avoid. It’s also why none of the Franchised organizations were allowed to have academy teams compete in ascension.

[@EmirAssassin]

@@obsoleterandomness3548 that's so dumb, so then what's the point of having female teams or academy teams? you're just blocking them from higher competition because you're afraid they'll win and it'll be an inconvenience?

[@obsoleterandomness3548]

@@EmirAssassin no, they don’t want franchised orgs to have 2 spots. GC players were allowed to compete, and several of them did. Including the C9W roster.

[@kidthebilly7766]

@@EmirAssassin how is that what you took from his comment

[@selina1358]

c9’s league of legends team placing first in the spring split and qualifying for msi while their valorant team is in shambles is giving me whiplash as a c9 fan

[@z3r0_80]

wait til you find out how inconsistent our csgo team is :P

[@sean1929]

@@z3r0_80Inconsistent meaning always being a title contender? Not bad :P

[@buenvidanadz1969]

Would've been better if you also included their journey in Redbull Home Grounds despite not really being an official Riot tourney but all good 💪💪. Btw, I believe role issues = Chamberist/chamberer job being dead

[@loudcrisis]

I feel extremely sad for yay. I´t seems like he is struggling mentally after all this and no wonder why so. I hope he can get back on stage soon with a team he can enjoy playing and succeed even further. He is so talented and humble. He seems like a person who really deserves to be known.

[@thegreatwal1224]

Answers to the last two questions: yes, and poorly. I also feel bad for their two new players, whom I’ve never heard of even in the tier 2 scene. They will undoubtedly underperform, and will probably get a bad rep for it. It’s like a talented high school quarterback skipping college to play in the NFL. It’s just not going to work out.

[@fisherii499]

no, after the Americas league game between EG and C9 they played well. Especially runi. He went second frag throughout all the maps. Jakee wasn't as good btu in the first game he performed well.

[@D4VID9724]

How have you never heard of runi? Soniqs were a pretty good team and he's been with them for awhile

[@thegreatwal1224]

@@D4VID9724 I watch a lot of tier 2. Soniqs were never good lmao. He did pretty good though, I was impressed. We’ll see if he can keep it up.

[@HeyLookItsJake3]

Like milk

[@blondynek4842]

XD

[@VardhanShrivastava]

Cloud9 didnt just fk up there own year they fked up the season for all of Valorant! they literally denied all of all us YAY let alone letting him high and dry!

[@KrSolarRay]

I would honestly love to see yay in tier 2 na valorant and see him just drop like 40 kills every map

[@kartikeyamalik5488]

That would be fun to watch , but it would not be the best move for yay's career in valorant

[@frenzymodexd]

@@kartikeyamalik5488 it would be because he's jobless/team less right now because of clown9. Better than him sitting out a whole year

[@Jake-wp9uo]

the problem is that if he joins a team with shitty support around him he wont drop 40, and it may end up just making him look washed. i think its very possible for him to get picked up in franchise if he just streams in the meantime or something. the only teams i would trust to provide yay fragging opportunities are guard, m80, and maybe g2

[@frenzymodexd]

​@@Jake-wp9uo they pick you up based off your tryout performance too, I think it's better if he just keeps playing competitive

[@kawasaki1560]

and THAT is where DSG come in clutch

[@aaronh6438]

Deserves more respect honestly. Good research. Good video.

[@ranveerkohli5484]

post more often pls, love ur videos

[@lickwipe9506]

Finally new vid

[@Snowyness]

Feel bad for Yay. He got the short end of the stick when signing with C9.

[@rommelpuyaoan3509]

Dont worry, there will be an anouncement soon regarding yay's comeback on pro scene, maybe next week hehe

[@symezgaming]

Yeah it does look like they lost big sponsorships in BMW, Microsoft and PUMA. A couple have been left of the jerseys like twitch which is weird too. I guess it makes sense as they weren't meant to be a franchise team in VAL and do seem to be tossing in other games too, LoL, CS and Halo being the big contenders there. I know they did just lose the ESL final to Faze and won the LoL challengers league as an org. I just hope this doesnt affect Yays career as it isnt his fualt if it is a financial reason.

[@Slickftw1]

This video is incredibly well researched and informative. Thanks for the good content!

[@christopherflores5405]

I'm guessing the move to sign Yay was a last ditch attempt to reel in some sponsors. They gambled the bag on the brightest name the scene had to offer. Unfortunately, the team as a whole flunked out of the lock in tournament -- a result which likely ruined the appeal to possible investors. Thus, a cascading effect happened. They bailed out on the Yay project and went full damage control with the goal to keep the org afloat.

[@wormindirt1]

?????????????

[@spxcxy]

@@wormindirt1 it makes sense

[@jarifahmed977]

Miss Optic...😢

[@matslundberg1289]

And Now Yay is with Toast in DSG :) Good for him!!

[@fakeandrxwz2777]

Started going down when they traded Xeta for Curry

[@TetGodOfGames]

Hey great video Marved said he was offered by c9 but he denied it.

[@Akgamer-hj2lk]

honestly we will not see yay this season but he can work on his roles .rn pro teams are looking for duelist who can play jett and raze and Yay is already pretty good on jett and with his talent he can easily master raze and we can see him in the next season

[@alaihn321]

This is primetime for the other org’s to sign one of the GOAT’s of Valorant. Even though he can’t play P1, he’s gonna be getting offers from the other org’s if they’re smart and jump on this opportunity.

[@chrisbigelow1690]

hindsight shows how painful this was for yay's career. From the undoubted best in the world to the struggling BLD roster we have now. Since optc he really hasn't had a roster that was on any level of competing...even DSG had a horrendous roster for T2 standards.

[@sxnchou]

BLD was untouchable before yay stepped in. DSG was decent before yay stepped in. maybe if you're always losing despite being on multiple different teams, the problem isnt the team, its you

[@r3alpvp65]

I dont think the departure of the Halo and Apex team was bcs of finances, as there was a scandal in both games leading to other orgs also dropping their teams, most notably G2 in both and Liquid in Apex (who were a Top Team)

[@heypippo]

I can't get over the thought that they just bought yay for clout and then dropped him.

[@jordabob3926]

this aged pretty well

[@AzoXDesignTV]

why am i watching the whole video although i dont know who is yay nor do i play valorant 💀u have great storry telling i guess

[@IronCobraTD]

Karmine corp's games yesterday would like to talk to the title

[@hi_reppen6540]

Nah it’s crazy that they’re some how better now. Runi and jakee are great fits for the team.

[@Matteo-zd5ew]

you know what i think? they knew they would be in trouble financially but thought it might be worth the risk to sign yay for a year, trying to win the tournament and then having the money to keep him on the team. Ofc its an extremely risky move to think that a new team could win such tournament after playing together for such a short time. But to me that would explain why they did that.

[@Lumi_.]

Sadly I was always nervous abt thy yay pickup. His season was great last year but it was obvious that optic was the perfect team for him. yay wasn’t flexible enough for c9 and c9 didn’t play around him. If they had better coaching and a igl they could have gone far. imo tho

[@diegomiranda8905]

You have to cover yay's contract with dsg XD

[@luukschoonderwoerd8366]

they just dropped all those teams and players just to support their csgo squad which now includes electronic and Perfecto form NAVI

[@Ask_LyRc]

and now DSG has signed the goat

[@haku7335]

My first vctgame i watched was sen vs nv. The cam,the name, the agent, the style. I was team Yay first minute on. Ive been watching all opticgames and i was really sad not seing optic on frenchising, which is a fucking joke. Putting the best team not in, but some trash org like c9 or the fallen sentinals. Now seeing c9 sht on yay hurts so much...

[@sxnchou]

optic wasnt in franchising for good reasons. go educate yourself on their financial messups before calling everything a “fucking joke”

[@ratzam]

Franchising is not for teams but orgs

[@wasvreta]

the scariest thing that can happen is him becoming a soloq demon

[@s0nFPS]

Up next!

[@detee1201]

tbf chamber nerf really had effect on yay's gameplay sadly

[@COVNT_Meesix]

1:22 When you said that other players were waiting for their first international event at LOCK//IN Zellsis and Vanity were both on Version1 which qualified for Reykjavik 2021, so all of the players on C9 had previously been to an international event

[@censure8507]

nah thats crazy they really rented their way into franchising

[@hollyroberson9018]

What do people think they will do this year?

[@leechanyeong409]

About c9 yay and vanity droped they were swaped by a college and tier 2 proplayer and still won against 100t which isn't too much

[@colajwhat]

are VCT teams not receiving a stipend to at least mitigate the costs?

[@KoncealedCinema]

What you said in the beginning is not true. EG replaced G2, multiple sources at the time ahead of time said C9 were in before that incident.

[@deimosssgg]

Feels bad for Yay

[@virilecolon]

only theoretical: if a tier 1 player were to get in a severe enough accident that they couldnt play anymore, could yay fill that spot?

[@lordimperio5481]

just got recommended this video, they made it work i guess haha

[@VeryBadPlayerTV]

So were just gonna ignore almost a full decade of good decisions and great historic moments in esports like with league and the sneaky roster as a small example. Just because they had one bad moment? which wouldn't have been a bad moment had they won the tournament and they maintained their finances. It was a major shot they attempted imagine if it worked.

[@razokernub3124]

From Clown9 to Cloud9 a beautiful Journey Ft. Jake and Runii

[@chad2522]

Then back to clown9

[@theneokenshin]

Evil geniuses vs cloud 9 will answer this question for sure

[@343JustMe]

People rlly forgetting that tier 2 players have come into tier 1 and made waves so many times before and the fact that they have a goated coach in mce and 3 of some of the top players in all of NA

[@Kuga_Yuma]

Made waves my Ahh all the players who did that had a proven history in t2 no one has even heard of c9 is new players and based on their performance they're middle of the pack at best

[@343JustMe]

@@Kuga_Yuma you're saying Trent had a proven history in tier 2? What about jawgemo? Kanpeki? They don't need to be number 1 in tier 1, all I'm saying is many have been able to compete before and in the anomaly of Trent has been one of the best in tier 1. In fact fuck it I'll give you some examples of tier 2 players who were unknown and came into tier 1 and destroyed. Alfajer Kamyk (sort of) BaddyG (best sub in Val history) Pancada (came from the slums of Brazil VCT) Derke (part of a group of kids who wanted to compete) I could keep going but I think I've said enough with just derke and pancada. You didn't even know who they were until they went up against top teams from EMEA or NA.

[@Kuga_Yuma]

@@343JustMe they actually somewhat performed in T2 the new C9 players are legit unknown

[@343JustMe]

@@Kuga_Yuma the c9 players aren't unknown you're just ignorant idiot. Both players have put up numbers way ahead of the other people in their leagues. Runi putting up numbers other igls don't in tier 2 when he was on soniqs and Jake farming collegiate valorant. Just cause you don't know them doesn't mean they're unknown players

[@Austopsy]

Couldn't they have traded his contract to a different team? That way they wouldn't have to fuck him out of playing in the league. Excited to see him play for DSG though.

[@purple-val]

gg

[@SA_TRIS]

now they the best team in na

[@rocker10039]

I am praying Yay plays in DSG and then proceeds to absolutely destroy everyone in VCT Masters (when they qualify)

[@joelkoh7365]

DSG yay sounds good

[@ItzFrxzy]

babe wake up, new Commend video just dropped

[@justsomedude168]

I remember when people found out that c9 was the g2 replacement for franchising and people were shocked that it wasn't nrg. If we look at it now, it makes so much sense.

[@xrtlized]

You can clearly see that sponsors have left c9 like some major ones like microsoft and blockchain and other big sponsors, now they're left with 6

[@poi9173]

Now he's on DSG lmao.

[@DracoFPS]

unlucky for riot that they let this team into franchising last second then they do this

[@samiahmad7975]

Can you do one for sentinels?

[@frxzzy_]

btw when watchparty

[@SP-dr7es]

Funny how franchising was supposed to be about stability

[@ojasgadre6524]

I would like Tenz to leave sentinels, Demon1 to leave EG, KK to leave edward, join with yay and 4v5 the heck out of the world.

[@WinTheOnion]

0:7 is that hampton?

[@nana3195]

The thing is he is only good with Chamber, when Chamber is no longer meta other player swap back to back to duelist, Jett/Raze meta.. As a duelist he is average.. He is struggling to find role that suits him and thing getting worse when the team just put him on dueslist and hope for the best only to get Jett diff. Look at Tenz, that guy can play any role and people really want him to play Jett? Smh

[@ynnkcs]

i think the reason c9 white isnt a thing anymore is because they dont only play game changers & orgs who play tier 1/2 arent alowed anymore to have a „academy“ or a second roster (not including female teams who ONLY play GC) thats the reason CGN esports kicked theyre second roster aswell

[@sh4rpys]

They fucked up with their "project colossus" in CSGO too

[@dannyboy9537]

Riot should also receive some blame for this. The fact teams are no longer able to even sign him is expect for an emergency signing is baffling to me.

[@andreitv9921]

I believe there is a secondary transfer window, idk when it is, might have to look it up. Personally, I feel like it's a decent idea, emulating irl sports, you can't just sign whoever, whenever.

[@Sowtah]

I will always remember cholesterol 9 ❤️

[@artoro8]

I don't think that it's an exaggeration to call them the worst team at all? They signed a collegiate (T2/T3) player and Runi (T2). Compare that to the rest of NA franchise leagues and that's by far the worst as none of the other 3 are solo carries or insanely dominant players. (Ex. TenZ, Cryo, Yay, etc.)

[@thegoat4617]

We lost optic for this.

[@valukkai]

i thought levitan was the team that took g2's spot

[@JinjsbtR]

yey finna go to APAC no cap

[@KingBLUCK]

3:22 "it was disappointing to see C9 go out" OH fuck no I have hated C9 for life and will continue to do so. We were happy, we were up and we are STILL up

[@ColeJJJTurner]

I don't blame Cloud9 for the decisions they make 99% of the time. They do this to stay in Esports and it always works well. They only drop out of Esports that are collapsing and that they already succeeded in anyway such as the female Valorant team, Halo, PUBG, R6, Heroes of the Storm, etc. They're still doing a great job in Esports that matter the most and are financially stable and treat 99% of their players and staff well. People calling them the worst org in Esports just based on recent Valorant decisions when they are an OG Esports brand who have been there for 11+ years and known as one of the best orgs in Esports history (probably the best in NA history) and when every Esports org has done poor things at a few points in time are either new to the scene, literally only watch Valorant, or are speaking based on emotion right now. That being said, this is still terrible. What I have an issue with is them knowing this with the economy in Esports at the moment, with their financial situation, etc, but still signing a player such as yay anyway, then making that move soon afterward. Completely ruined his season and messed over his career in his prime right now. They did this too with LS. I understood why they did it with LS after everything that was revealed and it was the right move in the end for their team's success, outside of him helping them get Berserker which wouldn't have happened without him, but you should've done a lot of things first to see if it would be a good fit for him to join as a head coach and do those experiments first. If they did that prior to signing him then it literally would've avoided everything as they would've realized that before heading into the 2022 LCS season. They wasted LS's time, money, and passion for coaching now which showed lots of promise with his techniques that could land him on a South Korean roster.

[@williampranov5033]

Dont forget they signed gambit in csgo and that was 500000 k

[@aryzen.]

Its so unfortunate for yay, I feel so bad like imagine being one of the best players in the world but you cant even play professionally for a period of time and you cant show your skill to the world.

[@ruin.07]

i was so hyped for c9 bro

[@michaeltracy9932]

Xeppaa, Yay, and Leaf are all Tier 1 players imo. The 3 of them on a better team could definitely be the best team in NA

[@HappyVLR]

frfr

[@bavarian_ttv2010]

yes cloud9´s esports apex team was top 5 atleast as well, its pretty sad

[@ahappydinosaura]

Zeka definitely deserved gamer of the year.

[@Critsil]

What I got from the the video is, don't ever make an international tournament in Brazil, it's a shame and depressing how the people don't attend to other matches than when a brazilian team is involved

[@human-1223]

I hope Sen sign him. It will become the most hype up team in valorant history

[@bran5410]

Which is why they shoulda kept OpTic Gaming in franchising