Clovis People: The Original North Americans - Historian Dan Flores Explains

Taken from JRE #1975 w/Dan Flores:
open.spotify.com/episode/2iDH4bqLQkW9XAYwxbmC9A?si=f14b821c16984dc8

[@brianramsey8395]

I had Dan Flores as a professor at U of Montana for two classes they were the best classes I ever took as a college student in the mid 1990s. Super nice dude, approachable and helpful in understanding of the American West and history.

[@johndoe-ep7qk]

imagine if all our schools had teachers like him

[@moonknight4053]

He looks like a cowboy tbh

[@RosinGoblin]

What did he smell like?

[@seltonk5136]

This podcast needs Tony hinchcliff

[@leathersandals]

​@@RosinGoblin Coffee and hash

[@johanfalk2875]

An underrated Joe skill is knowing when to let people talk while sprinkling a few questions here and there.

[@krono5el]

you must be new : P

[@jstr6522]

And Joe's questions aren't completely idiotic trash that a 4 year old would ask the teacher on their first day of school. I can't stand Lex Friedman's podcast because of that. "If the Egyptians played football what team do you think they would be?" God I want to punch him

[@user-lh4kj8rl3n]

All other interviews need to learn from JOE. Especially guys like Vlad TV 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@johanfalk2875]

@Late Notice It’s underrated because if you listen to a lot of other podcasters they talk over each other all the damn time, so when you listen to JRE you learn to appreciate it.

[@MidTennPews]

That's the reason his show is the biggest in the world. He's always been that way. He's never once been shy about saying that he doesn't know or that he's an "idiot on this" as he says. People that say he doesn't either disingenuous or just have never seen the show outside of 30 second TikToks.

[@neverleft636]

I love when Joe has people on who simply just want to explain their vast knowledge. They don’t care about the exposure or press. They just want to tell others what they know, and I love that.

[@rilesroo1]

This is one of the largest days of this pseudo historians career. I guarantee you he cared immensely about the amount of eyeballs that would be on this interview.

[@columboscandela]

​@@rilesroo1 what's your post doctoral education in history? share your CV with us.

[@hotdog9262]

@@columboscandela like that matter for how competent an individual is. academic education is largely a scam. a gateway to formally qualify for a job

[@columboscandela]

@@hotdog9262 yes. spending a decade, or more, of one's life consumed by independent research (scouring rarely viewed archival, primary sources [that aren't available to the general public]) is merely a formality. /s there are garbage studies in colleges that serve little-to-no purpose of advancing humanity - even different scopes of history that do nothing but belittle the speciality altogether. ancient history, that narrates important eras of humanity and help us understand our vast, expansive past, isn't one of them. gender/queer/etc studies fit under your umbrella, I will agree to that.

[@hotdog9262]

@@columboscandela anything that is available to a student is available to any individual wanting to learn. the main difference is the one who actively searches for a particular knowledge is truly interested, learns it and carries it more or less permanently. while the student work the info, leaves it and forgets. take away the actual job at the end of the studies, then academia is more or less pointless in itself imo. the real learning process starts on the job. then the individuals who never were interested in the subjects but got grades find themselves out of a job

[@noyourehigh8398]

Having someone like Jamie just bringing up stuff about the conversation without speaking unless being spoken to. Would make any conversation 100000x better. Keep it up

[@micahwise4212]

I love history and I love hearing historians talk about history but it never ceases to amaze me how much we don’t know and how much we assume based on very little evidence! It makes me wonder what life was truly like back in those times!

[@TheUnderworldPlaybook]

History is written by those who’ve won & survived. Albeit some irrefutable evidence that verifies some facts.

[@usmleaspirant]

We are a species with amnesia - graham hancock.

[@paulhart7739]

Yea this dude is making up like 95% of the stuff he’s saying

[@SharkOrDie]

They know, but They just don’t want you to know! -YT Supremacy

[@shainhenson3990]

Because Evolution owns the Science. They don’t want you to know archeology and history. Paint some pictures of monkeys and fish and sell it to a bunch of people that want to be kings of the earth

[@tillerjets]

The cowboy he spoke of in the beginning, George McJunkin, is a legend and stories worth reading about.

[@Payne33]

Thank you

[@seltonk5136]

It's a made up name , like McDonut or McBasketball. Inappropriate

[@robertferguson533]

@@seltonk5136W😅

[@robertferguson533]

What in the world are you talking about?

[@brianjohnstone2922]

This is why jre is so popular,he gets really deep into the conversation,another really good episode

[@jabbawonger6572]

Haven't watched Rogan in a while but if he's having these kinds of conversations I might start checking him out again.

[@ballsdeep2520]

I stopped listening for awhile, Joe can say completely ridiculous things. People think he's smart but he admits he's not

[@yeahright2449]

He's very smart. It's called being humble ​@@ballsdeep2520

[@johanstinson]

He never stopped having these types of convos

[@barhammd]

Dr Floes was one of my history professors at TTU. Fantastic teacher and engaging lectures. Still remember him after more than thirty years

[@kingboogey4552]

Most of been a great teacher ion remember half mine and im in 10th grade

[@unpopulareli7333]

tx or tn

[@barhammd]

Texas tech

[@rt3box6tx74]

@@barhammd Raiders Rule!👍

[@br.m]

Did they replace him with someone that knows about the new evidence of people here way before the Clovis? Just like some of the indigenous people say. They have been here forever. There have been footprints that are said to be dated 23,000 years old and there is proof of humans in the Amazon. We've been lied to this whole time and the Natives were telling the truth. I guess we better give America back

[@sitindogmas]

I absolutely love this stuff, thank you Joe for having this man on !

[@HundoScoop]

Did he just stutter his war through saying the first people of America were Siberian?😂

[@IFuckingHardI]

@joseph_goebbels did you watch the podcast ? he did talk about graham

[@reviewerreviewer1489]

He did towards the end, and sounded like a gibberish maniac

[@Artisjjj]

​@@HundoScoop...... I wish people would try to understand what this guy is REALLY saying. And that is that there were BLACK people civilizations , that was here flourish and had cities and villages on parr with the Egyptians. And America was a very Black country with 10,000's + years before any European civilizations were on American land. And this my friends why they can't find any proof of the "Many slave ships " that supposed have come from Europe! Also only 2% to 3% of slaves were brought here out of all the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade as a whole. Very interesting!🤔

[@Artisjjj]

​@@reviewerreviewer1489..... I wish people would try to understand what this guy is REALLY saying. And that is that there were BLACK people civilizations , that was here flourish and had cities and villages on parr with the Egyptians. And America was a very Black country with 10,000's + years before any European civilizations were on American land. And this my friends why they can't find any proof of the "Many slave ships " that supposed have come from Europe! Also only 2% to 3% of slaves were brought here out of all the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade as a whole. Very interesting!🤔

[@AliceInPantera]

“Their tools were their art” - absolutely fascinating stuff. I could listen to this guy for days,

[@bozbozman1575]

The construction of these flint arrow tips is an unbelievably difficult technique. These were not stupid beings

[@paulevans8348]

Did they have metal? Did they have a wheel? Reservoirs? Thought not.@@bozbozman1575

[@palomarknotsandtatertots523]

Clovis and Folsom points are highly sought after by collectors. Clovis points have been found all over North America. I found my first spear point when I was very young, been hooked on precolumbian artifacts and way of life ever since. Ive found dozens of points since that time that range Mississippian and Woodland period points to early archaic and even a few paleo points and tools that are very old. Relic and artifact collecting is very popular in the US especially in the southeast where you can find native american artifacts laying in farm fields.

[@ericpigg2689]

Have you ever heard the song Banded Clovis by Tyler Childers? Tell as dastardly tale of a hunt for a Clovis point.

[@Cokehead_Drug_Addict_Zelensky]

Best thing I ever found is a granite 3/4 groove ax found in NE Georgia from the Woodland Period.

[@Garrett-SonofStephen]

Very true .. a very sought after point and very rare

[@RogerTheil]

When I was growing up in the 90s, our hunting club had a nice display of arrow and spear heads found on the club's tracts of land. And thinking back, MANY of them were fluted Clovis points, and I don't think any of us had any idea how special they were.

[@Cokehead_Drug_Addict_Zelensky]

I love how KZbin deleted my comment for no reason then sends me updates on a thread where my comment is no longer visible.

[@charlesstoll1587]

Fascinating. Need to get this individual on more often. Harkens back to old school JRE. Secondly, despite the absurdity of early archeology in America and how much Clovis influenced the discussion, providing a venue to acknowledge early American cultures are appreciated.

[@TippyHippy]

I put my hamster in a sock and slammed it against the furniture

[@kunjin2513]

@@TippyHippy my brother in Christ this is a KZbin video

[@thenoneckpeoplerepresentat8074]

@@TippyHippy Are you gonna eat that?

[@realwilldrive]

@@TippyHippy did it squeak one last time

[@OrangeHeadTM]

This dude is a fool.

[@mikewhite19774]

JRE is one of those podcasts that you always get something new and interesting that you probably haven’t heard of yet and has experts who describe things in a way that everyone can comprehend and grasp! Thanks joe for always being a honest and interesting man that you are brother!!

[@juggadaaku4219]

His theory “Clovis first” is a dated one. People existed in the Americas much before. All the Native Americans, Mayans, and other tribes in South America are legacy culture of the older times. Most of stuff he’s saying is factually incorrect

[@KayaStar1]

Yeah he had me until climate change. How do explain the climate change that he opened before pick up trucks?? A fact libtards hate… wildfires and volcanoes produce exponentially higher carbon gasses than all human activity combined. If anything causes greenhouse effects, we know it’s sun darkening amounts of atmospheric smoke.

[@KingJames1981]

In the winter of 1992, a construction crew in San Diego, California started cutting into the rocks that flanked the State 54 Highway, in a bid to widen the road. Those rocks hailed from the Pleistocene period and were rich in Ice Age fossils, so scientists from the San Diego Museum of Natural History accompanied the crew to recover whatever they unearthed. Among bits of horse, camel, dire wolf, and ground sloth, they found the remains of a single mastodon-an extinct mammoth-like animal. “And we noticed there was something different about it,” says Thomas Deméré, who was part of the team.Based on several lines of evidence-the way the bones are broken, the way they lay, the presence of large stones that show curious patterns of wear and are out-of-place in the surrounding sediment-the team think that early humans used rocks to hammer their way into the mastodon’s bones. That wouldn’t have been contentious in itself, but the team also claims that the bones from the “Cerruti Mastodon” are 130,000 years old. That would push back the earliest archaeological evidence for humans in North America by a whopping 115,000 years. Edit: This article was take from the Atlantic and it's about the article written in "Nature". It destroys "clovis first" dogma entirely and that's why they didn't publish it for 20 years as this occurred in the early 1990's. Let's be honest about something. If they're lying about this what else are they lying about? People have been here in the Americas far longer than they are letting on. Why would they want to cover that up? That's the real question.

[@michaelseybold1743]

The Clovis model is no longer taught in college anymore. There’s been new evidence that there were multiple great migrations/ a constant stream of people since before the ice passage opened. People made their way down the great kelp highway on boats.

[@teddyjackson1902]

Europeans.

[@yancyotts7569]

Graham Hancock’s book explains the San Diego site the same way!

[@Jarl_Balscruff]

​@Michael Seybold So why are South American Tribes genetically linked to Aboriginal Australians but North American Aboriginals are not? It would imply a people able to navigate oceans and deep sea thousands if not 10s of thousands of years earlier than we thought. Would it not?

[@sw8741]

@@michaelseybold1743 And Imagine, after all those migrations, not one of those groups invented the wheel or learned how to smelt iron. They basically walked everywhere and carried or dragged everything.

[@JayRuperRoe]

One of the 1st Mountain Men (1780's) wintered over with Indian Tribe. He wrote that the old Chief told him the story of the Chief as a young man participated in the last hunt of the Great Beasts. And described Woolly Mammoths exactly.

[@jamartriplett3995]

😂😂😂😂

[@JahWaySupro]

​@@jamartriplett3995May I ask why you're laughing?

[@mayy5292]

@@JahWaySuprobecause his colonist mind can’t comprehend anything that’s not related to the white man.

[@JohnnyButtons]

@@JahWaySuprobecause the woolly mammoths were not still roaming in the early 1700s

[@richardDara-ot9zp]

Anything is possible in history that we can't see, Earth is huge to roam and may have been the last of them.

[@edanderson8274]

Clovis man had a very old settlement that was discovered just West of Houston on the Katy prairie along the Cypress river. When it was discovered it completely shut down the building of the 99 freeway that was under construction. It was discovered from the site they had been trading with other peoples that lived North of around Galveston at the time

[@matthewvalencia100]

Source?

[@wow3326]

Imagine how tight their poop hole was to keep out the mosquitos

[@deeznuts3472]

@@matthewvalencia100 trust me bro

[@youropionmattersnot]

​@@matthewvalencia100 Ever heard of google?

[@動物同理心]

@@matthewvalencia100 They had to be somewhere - why not here?

[@tyharris9994]

Thank you Joe for asking short intelligent questions and then lletting the man talk!

[@PetraKann]

How knowledgeable is this man? He can cite dates and details almost at will. Fascinating stuff

[@jeremiahdillard9201]

Like that's his job. :)

[@assassinaria]

The good thing about Joe is he rarely talks. Mostly listens.

[@PetraKann]

@@assassinaria The art of a good interviewer

[@stuart_edward]

@Jeremiah Dillard so? Still impressive. A lot of people have jobs in this field that aren't nearly as good or well educated as this guy.

[@justinjones5824]

Doesn't mean he is right.... start fact checking everything you see and here and it will blow ur mind

[@melhawk6284]

Beautiful stone points! One of the hardest points to make! Those Clovis flutes require an INSANE amount of precision flaking. I NEVER managed to pop the flutes off in all my attempts. Could get the edges shaped, but NEVER did i get close to finishing one without shattering a perfectly good piece!

[@bruceryba5740]

I learned the hard way, that I had been trained to make woodland and archaic points, while the paleo need to be thicker to get through the thick hides. Once I began to leave the points thicker, the shattering stopped. --Also by using indirect percussion on the flutes made for better success. and the key is preparation on the on the bottom strike area & creating channel flakes.

[@nmaddog4689]

My thought as he mentioned never used blades, was that maybe not ceremonial but a supply to replace a lost or broken one. I was thinking you didn’t make a single blade, you made several over time, maybe even traded, etc.

[@telosmonos_gustavo]

More Dan Flores, please!!!!! I love listening to and learning from academics who possess a natural flair for storytelling. Dan Flores' appearance on Parts Unknown with the late Anthony Bourdain was all too short, it's wonderful to see him speak at length on this show!!!

[@impala1977]

Check out Enrique Dussel, he’s a renowned philosopher and historian. His work on native Americans is sublime

[@Evirthewarrior]

"ceremonial" is one of those words that historians and archeologists use, when they have no idea why an object exists.

[@_thevaporz]

More like ritualistic.

[@nobody6032]

​@@_thevaporz no, they legitimately use ceremonial as a buzz word

[@N8Dulcimer]

This guy doesn't seem to be much of a critical thinker. If you find tools that didn't seem to be used, isn't it more likely that the tool just hadn't been used yet? Or that it was just well maintained? IDK this guy is a constant string of bad critical thinking. Like saying that finding clovis points all over america indicates that their society was in all those places. Isn't it far more likely that they just traded the points with many different tribes, who then may have traded them with others? Or that the skill was more widespread across multiple cultures than we assume?

[@LeeGee]

and "...religious..."

[@recurrenTopology]

@@N8Dulcimer As he mentioned latter in the clip, there are burial sites where the points have been found covered in dye buried with the remains. As with anything in archeology it's impossible to be certain as to the motivations of the people who made these sites, but it does suggest the points held ceremonial value. It's not entirely clear in this clip, but "Clovis culture" is what is known as an archeological culture, that is it is defined by a common set of artifacts. There is an active debate in archeology whether or not shared material culture is indicative of shared culture more generally, particularly when only a small fraction of items are expected to be preserved to present day. Not sure what Flores believes, but it is normal to discuss the wide range of the Clovis archeological culture while remaining skeptical that there was a uniform culture across that range.

[@ciscodiaz5786]

It doesnt matter what Joe Rogan talks about, you can sit here and listen to 1 hour of whatever. Love his content

[@fastestmanon3legs454]

bruh-tell your primo Nate to chill out when in public lol

[@ciscodiaz5786]

@@fastestmanon3legs454 my bad lol you know what's funny? I named my son Nathan after Nate. So hes a real Nate Diaz

[@bryanduchane2371]

I wish he would have a guest that talks about something completely crazy and see what the viewer comments and number of views about the video on something so untrue, that people still believe it..

[@BonShula]

Sometimes when I want to escape reality I listen to some of Rogan's covid videos.

[@aredditor4272]

I can do without UFO shit

[@KeizeShow]

@ 4:57 - I’m from Clovis, New Mexico. We never learned about any of this in school. What an amazing discovery to not be taught about in school.

[@jopo7996]

George McJunkin is a solid stripper name.

[@AK-galil]

😂

[@CliftonAgbortabi]

Cuz I’m dead 😂

[@kikiraven1]

This is my home town and it’s beautiful to me especially when it rains and that’s rare and the wild flowers come out. Yeah there is nothing for young people to do but to me it wild and beautiful. We have old history around here from dinosaurs to Billy the Kid to Buddy Holly recording here. It may be flat land but it’s vast and to me beautiful . Once thousands of buffalo roamed here and I think of that when I go walking .

[@carteluk914]

Can always rub one out 💯🥳🤷‍♂️there's always something to do... 😂😂💦

[@LBPFrost]

@@carteluk914 wtf

[@wagonwheel9426]

@ Lori Torres - not trying to start an argument, but buffalo are what you see in Asia and Africa. Bison is what you see in America

[@wecanjump7512]

@@wagonwheel9426 Not trying to start an argument, but that only applies to British English. Lori is American. And in American English, Buffalo or Bison is acceptable. I'll be here all night if you need help with anything else. :)

[@wagonwheel9426]

@@wecanjump7512 and tell me in American English you have seen both a horsefly and housefly, no?

[@phillipradcliffe8037]

He said, "They killed the animal while it was still alive." Well, you can't kill an animal after it's already dead.

[@Lethcode]

pff someone hasn't seen enough zombie movies

[@johncarmon9528]

he meant that it had been killed by man and not died of natural causes or mass extinction

[@raphtube75]

That means…. Come on!

[@drjayteamk4531]

Have u see that first Muppets movie. I think it was first. When aligator, I think, says people kill you, cook you, eat u alive. Check mate

[@levi5459]

that’s a great point

[@tonyc223]

It is so cool in my retirement to walk the creeks here in the mid-west and find flint arrowheads and clovis points. The time frame of these points are 150 to 10,000 years old.

[@nachomansandyravage2346]

This is my jam. I'm definitely going to listen to the whole pod with this guy.

[@darksu6947]

Snap into a Slim Jim..........O'yeah!

[@TheVerucAssault]

One of my professors in college had a similar story where they found a prehistoric Bison kill site that would potentially change dates that placed people in Oklahoma earlier than we originally thought.

[@Skaed]

Going to listen to the full podcast during my workout. I am also leaving his book on my wishlist to buy as soon as it is economically feasible for me. Wonderful content!

[@pgg-i4c]

cool

[@LK1989]

Yeah there is something about listening to Joe Rogan interview guests about human history being more complex than we thought it was while working out at the gym haha. I do the same. Graham Hamcock, Randall Carlson, fossils of any kind...

[@ratta_tat]

Which book?

[@Skaed]

@@LK1989 yeah actually music doesnt cut it for me anymore sometimes, need some brain juicing at times with a spice of chill and Joe´s podcasts are perfect for that haha

[@wetguavass]

Cave in Zacatecas has evidence of human activity, 30,000 years ago

[@rebeconner]

i am currently reading Dan Flores's Wild New World book. It is one of the saddest and most powerful views of this country Ive ever read. Dr Flores research and honesty is brave and true. It explains so much of why we are currently in political and social and natural upheaval. I thank him deeply for this courageous and enlightening history truthfully told.

[@tessaburkhamer3856]

I tried to read that book....your right. It's one of the saddest books I've ever almost read. Had to stop reading it, it litteraly made me cry. I'll try reading it again with a brave heart.

[@russellmillar7132]

Wow. One of the few interviews on JRE that I could watch to conclusion. Good job Joe!

[@CuriosityIgnited]

The discovery of the Clovis people and the Folsom people not only revolutionized our understanding of North American history, but also revealed the incredible ingenuity and skill of these early human populations. Their unique fluted points, made from high-quality flint and obsidian, were not only functional tools but also artistic expressions of their culture. It's fascinating to learn that these early Americans, who lived thousands of years ago, had such a deep understanding of their environment and were able to create complex tools that are still admired today. The fact that they spread throughout the continent, from the Southeast to New England, shows the resilience and adaptability of these ancient peoples. The Clovis people's story is a testament to the rich and diverse history of North America, and it reminds us that there is still so much to learn about our ancient ancestors.

[@colecole3352]

Why do people comment in the threads. Like the are giving a ted talk. There is already a guest on the pod cast. Sorry it wasn't you.

[@Beyond_Right]

@@colecole3352geez lol

[@memewithinameme35]

@@colecole3352 why do you watch a sport? why do you seek better tasting food when you could enjoy basic shit? why do you even choose to comment something that adds nothing? why do i even reply to it? because we all can. ffs ppl just wanna talk with other ppl who enjoy the same topics.

[@MFJoneser]

@@colecole3352 project your own problems more lol

[@jwloone8]

Ok ChatGPT

[@tmp790]

I just read the story of George McJunkin last month, it's a remarkable story. So glad this man received due. The pen is mightier than the sword.

[@joem3999]

Easy to say when no one is trying to stab you with a sword. 😂

[@behindTopG]

Not in todays world 😂 with a stroke of a pen you can accomplish anything with the right amount of $

[@Magplar]

you’re only saying that because he’s black lol

[@kaztheunbreakable]

@@Magplar only one that cares he was black is you

[@enricopallazzo3244]

Aptly named, McJunkin.

[@JeffReedRiversBendLodge]

I live near the Clovis burial in Montana that was referenced. We do have genonomic data from the burial and it was used to help determine that he was closely related to native people of central and south america who would have come from common ancestry in Siberia. A site nearby was recently discovered with two Clovis camp sites at 11k feet which will be the highest elevation evidence to date.

[@christiantinney2944]

You are correct, I have DNA from the Anzac child genome. Interesting that this guy wouldn't know that.

[@LiquidLensPhotography]

Have you seen the Sage Mountain walls in Montana? The megaliths and stone work looks just like what you see in Peru, Egypt and Turkey.

[@moonknight4053]

So are native Americans from Siberia? You wouldn’t think so looking at guys like Russell means etc

[@olliefoxx7165]

Funny, the iceman found in the Alps that had been frozen for thousands of years had DNA in a much better preserved state. Scientist claimed the DNA wasn't good enough to make any claims about relationships to present DNA. I've heard that there isn't enough DNA left to do any tests on bones hundreds of years old much less a thousand plus years. So I'm very skeptical about any claims about DNA found and tested that old.

[@patriciamavis1274]

​@@moonknight4053 Yes, they're of Asian DNA.

[@sailorbychoice1]

I grew up on the coast in Massachusetts about 25 miles north of Boston. There are beaches where pre 1620 North Americans lived at least part of the time for a very long time. Especially after a good storm has churned the sands up in a short period of time looking you can find broken arrowheads, spearheads, pieces of knives. There is one spot where stone nappers would either gather together to work or generations of nappers worked alone, but for many many years, because there are a lot of discarded chips, and half arrow/spear heads/knife blades, where some people had started a project but the the arrowhead broke before completion so was left, discarded as trash. A friend of mine has drawers of chips and pieces she has collected ever since she was a little girl.

[@PREZIDENTIALalt]

Joe. Ask him about the Tartarians. Ever wonder why there is Greco-Roman architecture not only in Greece and Rome, but also in Africa, Russia, United States, South America. In all of the downtowns in all of the major cities of the world. Almost like some kind of civilization reset happened , and we found all these buildings . And Wild people will Ofc set up shop on the ruins left over , A.K.A. “Freemasonry” it was free buildings left over from the worldwide dominate society that came before us.

[@JakesOutdoorLiving]

@@PREZIDENTIALalt BINGO

[@photosofabrokenpast1058]

Was raised in the Clovis area in New Mexico, and it is always cool to hear about the area, especially on the JR Podcast!

[@donmyers584]

My dad dug a Clovis point in the late 1960s from a mound dwellers mound in Arkansas near the Mississippi River my brother still has it

[@StackingIron]

Glad to see him back on the podcast. Interesting view points I haven't heard off. Will have to watch the full episode

[@androidvirus]

I'm born and Raised New Mexican. Our state is full of dark mysteries

[@jeffb1013]

Ahhh yes, Dan’s first episode is one of my all time favorites

[@stevohmelike]

What an eloquent clip explaining American territory history. How many of us knew about this? So very few.

[@spjr99]

I find it draining to have lots of information in my brain not well known to the public, and also have a beginner understanding of it. Like how do I begin to explain to someone that our entire history is a mere speck in humanity

[@chingonbass]

Native americans new about this, it's in their oral histories and origin stories. People don't bother asking them

[@impala1977]

I recommend reading Enrique Dussel, he’s a Mexican philosopher and historian, he’s highly respected in the world. He’d make a great guest. Did you know that the Virgen of Guadalupe’s visions were written in Náhuatl an are as relevant as the Gospels of Jesus? His take on universal history from Africa going east to America which he calls the eastern edge of the world because history traveled this direction. History is Eurocentric and he’s dismantling that world view.

[@chingonbass]

@@impala1977 Joe Rogan would rather have gram hancock to talk about mexicans. The Guadalupe story is pure pendejadas, If enrique dussel isn't aware for that then he pushes psuedo garbage.

[@MsRaider101]

Can we please go back to uploading episodes in their entirety 🙂

[@jatochgaatjeniksaan3307]

They want you to use shitty spotify

[@localsymbiosis]

The meadowcroft rock shelter, cactus hill virginia, the gault site in texas, and the ancient footprints in new mexico are all evidence of pre-clovis habitation of the americas… the Cerutti mastadon site as well. There are petroglyph sites all around america that date to 12+ thousand years ago. I hope he gets into this. There has only been one clovis burial ever found…. He makes it seem like there is multiple when he speaks of “a burial in montana”.

[@AustinKoleCarlisle]

NA was literally almost wiped clean during the Younger Dryas Cataclysm 12,800 years ago

[@Garrett-SonofStephen]

Fascinating episode. One of my favorites from Dan Flores.

[@mikkuga1]

In 2007 there was a study posted in National Geographic that the Clovis people were not the first in America

[@adolforuiz6031]

can you provide me go was first?🤨🤨🤨??with out Afrocentric Delusional fairy tales 🤔🤔🤔

[@Purplehaiz]

Watch jre #2136

[@donwayne1357]

@@Purplehaiz The Great Cornholio people were here first.

[@marjolewis9405]

I think the Beringers predate the Clovis.

[@Buddha2024-w7y]

Western Stemmed Tradition predates Clovis.

[@asbestoz1123]

My brother was stationed in Clovis, NM. Lemme tell you, there is nothing there but it’s history

[@lemuelseale1640]

Thats true man. Billy the kid, aliens, and pre-history is pretty much all that area of NM has going for it lol

[@curtiskretzer8898]

🚚⚖in Clovis. Now there's an attraction 4 ya!

[@tonylawlor8833]

Thanks be to God we have ppl like him, very interesting.

[@jester1663]

I like in cowboy stories how the horse always slide right up to the edge of a cliff.

[@sylviaalger4917]

Well, you don’t hear from the ones who went over the cliff!

[@DunningKrugerJnr]

“Some fancy archeologist” 😂

[@RuffMcPuff98]

I’m a Native American from Montana. ❤️💪🏼

[@natel7382]

The Billy Bob Thornton of History.

[@show_me_your_kitties]

No

[@davearonow65]

I'll take "what are things an idiot would say" for 200, Alex.

[@gottago1885]

He is the pinnacle of knowledge

[@bcleste]

@@show_me_your_kitties how do you have a name like that and no sense of humor?

[@jordangreen1018]

Mhhhm I like the way you talk

[@kingmelbacarribennettbadas2666]

We need more information and talks on this subject.

[@redriver6541]

Yes. I agree. I hunt artifacts in Western Kentucky and I have found Clovis and Cumberland artifacts.... I am absolutely fascinated by this subject.

[@redriver6541]

I'm an artifact hunter.....and I know of a few dozen Clovis sites in the three county area where I hunt. They were everywhere......

[@SpaceCaptnFace]

eastern utah is loaded with arrowheads and pot chert

[@phillyrocks3847]

I find artifacts but I don't know if they are Clovis. Mostly ancient tools and stone effigies we find in Pennsylvania don't appear to be Clovis but they aren't random by any means.

[@dogc5039]

You're a LOOTER

[@jugghead-1975]

This is the most fascinating topic anyone can spill about! Just amazing at the history we're still finding out about ourselves! Unbelievable....

[@JerryDLTN]

I read somewhere that humans crossed from Russia to Alaska over the yet to flood Bering Strait in 21000 BC and from the people crossing the Bering Strait in Alaska, the first known settlers in Nashville, TN was in 13000 BC so that theoretically it 8000 years to get from the Bering Strait to Nashville. Also, the reason that the Nashville (NHL) Predators are called the Predators is because of the remains of a saber tooth tiger that was found at the arena's site in 1971. That saber tooth tiger was carbon dated to be over 9000 years old.

[@impala1977]

Mexico’s indigenous DNA genetic has Siberian traces, There’s so much investigation going on in Latin America on the history and philosophy of today’s indigenous and their ancestors. It’s being adapted to counter capitalism’s destructive ideas. Enrique Dussel of México would be a great guest on the podcast to explain this.

[@wolf7el356]

The Bering Straight theory has already been debunked. The majority of Natives had already been in the North American continent long before the Bering Straight transmigration might have happened. The majority of the people who populated North America 20,000 years came from the Southern Continent or across the Atlantic Ocean.

[@vercingetorix444]

What the hell does capitalism have to do with this lmfao

[@olliefoxx7165]

​@@impala1977Wtf has capitalism got to do with the subject? Really? Whoever poisoned your mind in school needs slapped.

[@impala1977]

@@olliefoxx7165 easily, the attitudes of the people of the Paleolithic are still present in indigenous people.

[@jason_108]

Absolutely incredible conversation. Looking forward to his audio books.

[@ChIGuY-town22_]

The history of early America is fascinating, flint knapping Clovis blades takes god-like skill.

[@milesruby3271]

The odd thing is the oldest points,including Clovis, are the best made and seem to get more poorly made the closer they get to present time.

[@nathanddrews]

@@milesruby3271 It's like Elon's comments about the space program. I'm paraphrasing, but "Technology doesn't automatically improve, it takes effort to maintain it and tremendous effort to improve it."

[@N8Dulcimer]

It's hard not to laugh at the conventional history of north America. Genetic evidence shows that people have made many distinct migrations in boats over the last 70k years, yet many historians still cling to the ice bridge hypothesis, even though there are species of monkeys in south America that arent found ANYWHERE in north or central america.

[@bobby-ut3mj]

God like skills ? I wonder what they would say about an automobile ? Not sure about your god but mine has mad sillz and he made the flint and all things we know and all things we don't know . He loves you and he knows you . He is waiting on us to ask him anything . He answers his children . We are all his children .

[@N8Dulcimer]

@@bobby-ut3mj God will answer anything you ask him? Oh cool, do me a favor and ask him whether the proliferation of clovis tools was due to their migration habits or their trade networks. Thanks.

[@DestrosArms]

This cat looks like Joe Rogan dressed up as Willie Nelson doing a Billy Bob Thornton impression🤣🤣🤣 Super insightful dude tho.

[@JohnAvillaHerpetocultural]

Clovis first has been disproven for a long time. There were people in North and South America long before Clovis.

[@tootalljones8012]

RIP to the man who ran across these giant bones with his horse!

[@Benutzername260]

Did this guy write a book about the subject? I like his storytelling

[@Space_Toasty]

Yes. He mentions it like twice. Go watch the full pod

[@Benutzername260]

@@Space_Toasty Thank you :)

[@SpaceCaptnFace]

David roberts has some great books about the fremont/clovis people...lots of artifacts still in eastern utah and western colorado

[@Benutzername260]

@@SpaceCaptnFace Thx

[@michaelbruns449]

9:15

[@JeremyMiner-camo_archer]

The world is lucky to have guys like Dan Flores around. Many are so far removed from our human & American history…we could all use a refresher.

[@dominicmccarthy501]

Dan flores book Coyote America changed my life. Got worse but it definitely changed my life.

[@briano9397]

😂

[@averagejoe1773]

How so jw

[@galeparker1067]

Guilt? 👃✌️ Shake it off.....🥰🥰

[@jonathanbutler3833]

Apparently nobody has updated their science enough to know that the clovis first narrative is false

[@RNW11B94B]

as is the “Blitzkrieg Hypothesis”

[@forestduffe5576]

Joe Rogan is so brilliant with his guests . Love the content.

[@natey9156]

Thanks for sharing and excellent guest! Im NA dineh from AZ

[@TopWaterTV69]

Perhaps they weren’t left unused for ceremonial purposes, but for preparation purposes. Stone blades break and wear down so maybe they made ones in advance anticipating one breaking so that they were always prepared.

[@RickLancaster-w2x]

On the Topic of Native Americans, I am Born of the Choctaw Tribe My Parents always instilled in me we are Not Native to America We are Native of Northeast Asia and I'm Proud of that. Thier is no such thing as Native Americans. Seeing my true Native roots and the struggle my people endured crossing the Bearing Sea bridge makes me proud. Trying to say American Indians are Native to America Is a Slap in the Face to our Ancestors .

[@leechungwai]

JRE at its best is when he interviews actual scientists.

[@jeffmoffat5202]

A real pity he gives so much airtime to conspiracy theorists and bigots.

[@TheYates100]

​@Jeff Moffat that's literally what makes rogan appealing. 0 time for wee bitches crying and complaining. Don't like it, don't watch it. Disagree? Comment and let people know what your disagree with. Engage and learn.

[@epifunny1]

The Very Best of Joe Rogan. Thanks man!!

[@mash-worth]

Folsom groups, also called Folsom peoples or Folsom culture , occupied all of Colorado between about 13,000 and 12,000 years ago. They were not the first people in these areas, although they might have been the first in some newly unglaciated portions of the high Rockies. Had to look it up.

[@jerome8314]

Years ago I found a folsom point while hunting prairie dogs a few miles north of Sterling, CO. There's all kinds of fossils and Native American artifacts in that area. There's literally pieces of worked flint scattered everywhere

[@joem3999]

It's a rad prison. All leftists should visit sometime.

[@jerome8314]

Well that got political

[@ChanceBeard]

My father found a 9.5 inch Clovis spear point on our farm in Northeast Iowa. 10k years old. Big bones, fossils and Arrowheads are commonly found on our property. It is an exceptionally fertile land. Sad to see it destroyed.

[@IGetAround29]

What did he do with it? Also why is it being destroyed?

[@trudybrereton6737]

It's going to forever be the great mystery if he doesn't answer.

[@robertsteele474]

@@IGetAround29 Factory farming and suburbanization.

[@w.neuman]

I Found One In East·CentraL IL. ···· Havn't · "OfficiaLLy" · Measured It But I WouLd Say RoughLy Between 8-10 Inches !

[@ExplosiveFetus]

​@@w.neuman Every guy thinks it's 8-10, but its probably 5-6, which is totally average and normal!

[@harris7963]

Joe you need to interview Robert Kennedy Jr

[@musicinsec]

THANK YOU *JRE*

[@siriusfun]

The 'Clovis First' theory is already done. This guy needs a firmware update.

[@torvic1236]

That and the "hunting to extinction" theory.

[@chiquita683]

Archeologists make stuff up, like dinosaurs

[@randomuser1596]

Yea

[@magician_aleks2726]

Yeah that's why I was confused why this guy behind😂

[@erikbrigham8807]

State sources. Not arguing, just want confirmation.

[@jayhat]

I could listen to Dan Flores talk about coyotes, bones, history, native peoples, whatever. He’s very knowledgeable and easy to listen to.

[@impala1977]

If Enrique Dussel ever made it to this podcast he would be a top guest. His range in philosophy and history of America’s native people is astounding

[@BigFists2024]

He’s a liar

[@jayhat]

@@BigFists2024 why do you say that?

[@StubbsMillingCo.]

South Carolina is home to the Topper Site where Clovis people lived. We hold a lot of ancient history of the natives but it’s either stuck in some universities labs or destroyed. It’s still dug in today, clothing and bone fragments have been found there dating back before 12,000 years ago.

[@moonknight4053]

We’re Clovis pretty much the same as native Americans?

[@StubbsMillingCo.]

@@moonknight4053 they were the predecessors of native Americans. The Clovis people are called many names - Clovis, Topper but not the first people. They were descendants of migrant groups from Asia as the Ice Age came to and end. Not much information on them, it’s lost history. Just prices of pots and skins from animals used for clothing. Few fingers and other bone fragments.

[@moonknight4053]

@@StubbsMillingCo. That’s a shame I thought they were the same as native Americans. You could argue thou that they were right? I don’t think natives have been in the Americas for as long as what scientists have said

[@StubbsMillingCo.]

@@moonknight4053 What textbooks and historians refer to as “Native Americans” were not Native. They were only seen that way when Europeans (Spanish in SC first then French) arrived. They inhabited the land so they were seen as the native people. Though tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of years prior the Clovis people inhabited North America. They spread from Texas to the Carolinas and from Florida to southern Virginia. They are what we think of when we think of native Americans. Simple people. Far simpler than NA’s and they were an extremly simple people. Yes they fought and killed etc etc that’s humans. We’re tribal. Though what killed the Clovis is not certain. Famine? Pillaging? Diseases from Africa (Mansa Musa sent many ships West from West Africa in the late 1300s) or the more “conspiracy loon” theory that I myself would agree with just on anatomy and physical features that it was probably sea nomads or some other Asian-pacific group(s) that came from the West Coast and met Clovis peoples somewhere along the way and bred. Creating native Americans. Those people died out and left their offspring who dominated NA until the 1800s. There are artifacts found in New Mexico that resemble Asians that are tens of thousands of years old… there are mounds depicting dragons in the south eastern US….. hmmm 🤔

[@moonknight4053]

@@StubbsMillingCo. I see what your saying, that’s very interesting to take into consideration. I’m not Native American but have always loved that culture since I was a wee boy probably because of the cultural similarities with mine. Wow quite the shock for me to read this from you, how long do you think the native Americans I speak of, have been in the Americas for? I honestly feel like they were there for as long as the Clovis people were too Native Americans have such a unique look to them, i always believed they were in the Americas since time started

[@hg1651]

I live in Lubbock Texas. A camp sight for Clovis people. We have a wonderful museum and preserve. I wouldn’t say travel here from another state but if you are here, swing by. It’s very easy to get to.

[@eponaalbion]

06:40 The most important and distinctive characteristic of Solutrean lithic techniques is the bifacial percussion-flaked points present in most Solutrean artifacts. This characteristic provides the primary foundation for evidence in support of the Hypothesis, as Solutrean and Clovis points share this commonality. The Clovis culture is a prehistoric Paleoamerican culture, named for distinct stone tools found near Clovis, New Mexico. When observed, both of these tools share common aesthetic features which have led to the speculation that Clovis points derived from Solutrean techniques.[12]

[@rt3box6tx74]

I've lived 45 miles east of Clovis NM my entire life. I was really into archeology in HS. Your comment rings some bells. Sorry I didn't make it a lifelong pursuit. Thanks!

[@xxthreedaysgrace2xx]

The Clovis first theory died 20 years ago. There were people in the Americas 30kya

[@mxtt8170]

I recommend anyone who was interested in this to do some research on the Haida people/Haida Nation. The lowest estimates show them inhabiting an island (Haida Gwaii) off the coast of British Columbia for 12,000 years. Highest estimates are closer to 20,000 years. Early European conquests described them as being like vikings in some cases. A truly amazing people that is still around and kicking ass.

[@jeffreysmith5230]

I found something that is interesting very very old. I don't understand how it was built. Keep up the good work JR.

[@SD-unlimited]

My family tree traces back to Clovis ancestors and I’m here for my reparations 🫴

[@impala1977]

Reparations are for blacks, Native American are for land back

[@Kowalskianalysis52]

Please have comedian Dave Landau on your show it will make dreams come true.

[@phatjones6263]

Excellent guest, Dan is a great speaker and pulls me into these stories beautifully...

[@radioactivepotato2068]

Stoked. Imma leave this and watch the whole ep on Spotify with a fattie when I get home.

[@galeparker1067]

🤣🤣🤣🤣👍👍

[@Jjweeks01]

Dr. Flores was my favorite professor. Super nice guy, knowledgeable, and has a huge shaft...wow

[@emiliomascarenas3035]

Thank you joe for bring him on your podcast and sharing this information to the people

[@Streetsweeper0]

There’s a cultural disconnect because academics rarely talk to Native Americans regarding these things. Flint blades were more than just tools. They were symbols for many things including the spark of life and that which opens our understanding. Talk to Native Americans after reading your academic books for deeper understanding. Or just read academia and think you know what you’re talking about.

[@DaveDahuh]

I've never learned about any native culture before, what would you suggest? I live in WNY, do you have anything on the federation of tribes there, it could be culture or religion.

[@John__-ie3od]

If the Clovis people were able to overhunt all animals in North America, why didn't Africa or Europe have all its animals extinct? Considering those continents had humans earlier than in North America.

[@Alaska_Mac]

They never said "overhunt ALL animals", they're talking about megafauna. How many offspring can an elephant have in a year, vs animals like rabbits or deer? How long does it take for an elephant to mature to breeding age, compared to smaller animals?

[@jasonbritt2497]

Europe almost did at the end of the ice age. Groups migrated across iceself from Europe to east coast, they found some of their points near the Chesapeake bay. They are called Solutreans or ethnic Japheths I believe.

[@788lakers]

@@jasonbritt2497what’s your source?

[@mattacedo]

Climate change killed the mega fauna not humans

[@John__-ie3od]

@jasonbritt2497 Sure they did. Where did you get that information? I mean the Solutreans primarily hunted seals and seabirds. Last time I checked those animals haven't gone extinct

[@hebber1961]

Mammoth theory seems plausible but doesn't explain why all large fauna died off around the same time.

[@FATMAN_tactical]

or why so many are barriered in flood water sediment.

[@colew306]

You don't think humans are capable of wiping out species?

[@hebber1961]

@@colew306 Look up 'plausible'.

[@colew306]

@@hebber1961 But it does explain a large population of mega-fauna dying off. People hunted them down cause were hungry. Sprinkle in some climate change and boom, no more big stuff - only small herding animals that reproduce quickly.

[@SAVikingSA]

@@colew306 we are, but it's very specific to North America. Humans didn't make the Indian elephant or the Red Kangaroo go extinct.

[@devilfrawg4953]

A Smithsonian article about the Clovis people stated they likely ceossed a giant landsheet/bridge from SW France to the american continent. This was an important distinction because prior to that point, the consensus was that humans crossed from asia. In fact, the clovis people were in the SE united states and migrated from E to W....not W to E or N to S.

[@robertlayton7004]

Charles mcjunkin what a legend of a name 😂😂😂

[@bradferrenburg6937]

George mcjunkin

[@jerryfreeman5605]

Watching this from Clovis!!!!!

[@franug]

Love this stuff. And the most amazing thing is that humans had inhabited the Americas way earlier than 10.000 years ago...there's settlements dating over 15.000 years ago in southern Chile🤯

[@MagicalChemicalDaddy-hv8fe]

Try millions of years

[@RodneyRaines-tg3qd]

Shut up

[@impala1977]

Try Enrique Dussel’s history.

[@BigFists2024]

Natives have always been here ppl who disagree are racist

[@Electrify928]

Did he just say that the Clovis people pretty much hunted the NA Megafauna to extinction?

[@orangejuice613]

yeah we know from randall carlson that's not true right?

[@Electrify928]

@Orange juice I mean Randall Carlson's explanation and evidence makes more sense than "Muh Humans killed all da big animuhls". Why would they kill for just sport and let all that meat go to waste?

[@magician_aleks2726]

​@@ArmaedusGaming no but there's evidence that that is ridiculous. Humans did not wipe out megafauna

[@romaintagliaferro3189]

It's a theory that is just not not plausible, it just sounds cool

[@p51abc]

I learned about the Clovis people some time ago in university and was fascinated by them. I understand that there has been recent agreement in the scholastic community that they were not the first people?

[@colew306]

Sand dune site in NM dated at 20,000 years ago. Shows footprints. Pseudoscience archaeology will claim way later but the best site we have is that NM site.

[@mjbradshaw]

@@colew306 There is also Monte Verde, Gault, ect...

[@jordandavidswait5641]

Topper is another site with far older remains than the Clovis sites

[@colew306]

@@mjbradshaw Yeah Gault's an interesting one but I don't think they ever got anything later than 16,000 years ago. and obviously Monte Verde is interesting simply with the combination of its dating/location at 14,000 years ago.

[@siriusfun]

@@colew306 The only pseudoscience these days is coming from the archaeo-priesthood in North american universities. The same clowns who poo-pooed the Younger Dryas events until very recently... and begrudgingly, at that.

[@appaloosa6626]

"killed it while still alive".... The hell you say? Killed it while it was alive, huh? Goddam that's amazing