Maurice Ravel - Le tombeau de Couperin, orchestration completed by Zoltán Kocsis (1917/1919)

[@skylarlimex]

an absolute masterclass in orchestration. it really surprised me when i'd found out it wasn't ravel himself who had orchestrated the final movement! bravo to Kocsis!

[@andrewfortmusic]

Ah fancy seeing you here!

[@a-un7952]

The orchestration by Kocsis is not good enough to remind us of one by Ravel.

[@Dodecatone]

he orchestrated the fugue too!

[@Dylonely42]

Indeed.

[@omegamale7880]

It's even more surprising that Ravel didn't bother to orchestrate Toccata, a piece which practically begs to be orchestrated.

[@9827george]

I am really grateful for Zoltán Kocsis to have completed the orchestration!

[@martineslava8642]

The two completed movements by Kocsis have always been a revelation. The fugue is like the cooing of sad pigeons on a rainy day while the toccata is like flying over the ocean. Wonderful, thank you.

[@Brad4Ellis]

I misread this at first as ‘the cooking of sad pigeons …’ with which I would have disagreed.

[@martinianotanoni]

When I was 18 years old, I studied this on the piano. I´d never heard the orchestration of the whole work. Hear it now brings me the same fascination I felt back then

[@joshscores3360]

Wow, you played this when you were _18?_ It's very difficult, especially the concluding Toccata. Amazing!

[@duryi6399]

You are very talented 🎉❤

[@lubiskat]

Kocsis is the man! What an amazing ear he had. Played the Strauss Burleske with him back in 1987 or 88 in a BBC Prom with the BBC SO. Happy days!!

[@duryi6399]

👍

[@lisys511]

My comfort ravel piece

[@expilectakunai]

Same here

[@oscargill423]

For some reason this piece feels like sitting in a cool, gently flowing stream.

[@GarciaAlisson]

Never knew Kocsis completed the two missing movements. So good! And really close to what Ravel would have done himself. I love it!

[@Cmaj7]

Kocsis' orchestrations of the two missing movements are really amazing in my opinion. He does "cheat" though in the toccata by adding a lot of percussion instruments (and I think trombone) to the orchestra.

[@james_subosits]

@@Cmaj7 Honestly though, it works well with the percussion though, and I think having some percussion solves a few problems, such as the snare drum ensuring that the 16th notes below the staff are heard clearly

[@GarciaAlisson]

@@james_subosits agreed! i think the percussion here has not only achieved great effect but also helped a lot of the rhythm to be clear and precise.

[@raagamuffin]

Can someone please share his orchestration of Toccata? I’m dying to see how he did it

[@yowo6105]

@@Cmaj7 Yes! Similarly, I think he added an extra oboe to the Fugue (so now its 2 oboe 1 EH), which I think Ravel wouldn't have done.

[@cybercamp2900]

TOTAL audio delight 🙂🙂🙂 Many thanks for many listens🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@moxyblackfiddler]

His use of rhythm is epic

[@a-un7952]

effective, no waste, the greatest orchestration

[@alexkije]

Thanks a million for showing the score! It helps me tremendously to actually see and hear the music! CHEERS!

[@expilectakunai]

This is one of those pieces that really uplifts my faith in humanity. Just the purest display of human creativity and passion.

[@brickhead9779]

I haven't heard this version before, it really opens a new perspective on the piece!

[@Mahlerlover21]

Don Freund arranged the Toccata for the original instrumentation and it’s available as a score video on KZbin!

[@danielf1066]

I really like the orchestration for the fugue but the toccatta seems a bit too.. big? Like its a fantastic orchestration but it sounds like its written on a grander scale and for a bigger orchestra than the rest which makes it sound a bit off in context of the full piece (to me at least). Still glad we got an orchestration for those two movements though, its a shame ravel didnt orchestrate them himself

[@dndnfgo-i3h]

Nice! I really like this orchestration.

[@Hispano15]

Second time listening to this and it really reminds me of the music from the Cat Returns lol

[@Hispano15]

idk tho it might just be me

[@raagamuffin]

Do you have the score sheet for Toccata? I would really like to see Kocsis' arrangement and distribution of instruments. I tried searching online but never found it.

[@douglasyiuchinglok307]

Where are the full scores of Kocsis’ two orchestrations? Can someone tell me?

[@averagemusicenjoyer]

What Internet had missed all this time !

[@slateflash]

23:47 How does he achieve that sound?!

[@segmentsAndCurves]

You use the power of the impressionist.

[@eduardomanrique400]

Trombone glissando

[@slateflash]

@@eduardomanrique400 Thanks, i was thinking it was a gliss plus flutter. Maybe some horn trills as well

[@Cmaj7]

Yeah, I was thinking it was trombone too, but I was a bit doubtful that Kocsis would add in trombones as well.

[@kevinzhengmusic]

Horns, ff, rip, cuivré (like 24:17)

[@kimurico1]

I want to believe Ravel would have approved of what Kocsis did.

[@brownie3454]

That’s the good shit right there

[@owengette8089]

20:10

[@lisys511]

Ravel-french genius :3

[@Dylonely42]

Wonderful.

[@joaobastosO_O]

when it went DUN dundun DUN dundundundundun, I really felt that.

[@duryi6399]

You mean in Forlane?

[@joaobastosO_O]

@@duryi6399 rigaudon

[@Scriabinfan593]

This is so good, but I love the piano version more tbh.

[@duryi6399]

In some movements, the piano is better, but when Ravel orchestrated it, i preffer the orchestral version

[@StudSupreme]

Dio mio, ma che bella musica.

[@jakelolzhaha]

Under appreciated piece

[@dakotapederson1022]

Anyway to find the orchestrated score for these two movements?

[@Cmaj7]

Unfortunately, I can't find any indication that the orchestrations were published.

[@MG-ye1hu]

It isn't the Ravel forgot to orchestrate the other two pieces or didn't have the time for it. He had of course his reasons. Kocsis orchestrations are technically well done and you can tell that he adapted many things from Ravel's orchestration of other works, but especially the Toccata is just over the top. The rich Daphnis style is just inappropriate for this piece.

[@lukez6203]

I can hear an extra oboe and an alto flute added in the fugue. I agree that it would be better to stick to original orchestration as much as possible, but it's very beautiful nonetheless!

[@raulespejo2587]

what does he use for 22:45? in movies they do the same for the wind

[@Cmaj7]

It's a wind machine.

[@ArturBL79]

I would love to buy the Zoltan Kocsis sheet music. Does anyone know where I can get it? Thanks in advance

[@Dylonely42]

13:34

[@douwemusic]

I'm glad there's an orchestration of the toccata... but... that glockenspiel was very uncalled for

[@eldertonlewismusic]

Anyway of sourcing Kocsis' orchestration? The opening is so light and playful, I love it!

[@fujikocla]

0:00 2:05 7:00 11:00 14:30

[@kikumushi1965]

オケ版にフーガとトッカータが入ってる。面白い。

[@ryliephillips7179]

14:50

[@fingerhorn4]

Why does everyojne play this so damn fast? It sounds so much better with a moderate pace.

[@GUILLOM]

No

[@classicore22]

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[@GUILLOM]

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[@GerrlichStudios]

lyric

[@mysterium364]

I don't want to be that guy but... 5:20 😬

[@somebody9033]

what happens there?

[@mysterium364]

@@somebody9033 Horn plays an F sharp instead of an F natural.

[@somebody9033]

@@mysterium364 Great observation. I missed it completely. Thanks.

[@pineapple7024]

…but you are that guy

[@Dylonely42]

… I am :(

[@ormpi1]

Im here for the 69:th comment

[@santiagovidal9562]

7:44

[@jessturner6886]

You had me until the wind machine at 22:45

[@skylarlimex]

that's quite literally one of my favourite parts and genius imo

[@jessturner6886]

@@skylarlimex I admit, the Daphnis and Chloe reference is a nice little Easter Egg, but the last movement is really just a little too over-the-top.

[@skylarlimex]

@@jessturner6886 i see what you mean, he indeed "cheated" by adding more instruments and in the end, le tombeau is meant to be a very classical and balanced piece with minimal means. nonetheless i still feel that it's an absolutely magical orchestration by Kocsis and i'd very much rather listen to an orchestral performance which included the two missing movements

[@toxiboi5771]

this piece is just an oboe concerto

[@expilectakunai]

Yes it is >:)

[@duryi6399]

Just?

[@user-np3vb7pd6k]

インテリア王国の広島ってやっちゃってね！

[@user-np3vb7pd6k]

ってか、日本人じゃないよね？今更？

[@user-np3vb7pd6k]

美樹に質素しろって言われたけど、僕自分で贅沢品買ってないよ。栄養だけはお金出してるけど。

[@user-np3vb7pd6k]

じゃんじゃん行こう！

[@user-np3vb7pd6k]

隣の男もね！一度で２度うまい！

[@user-np3vb7pd6k]

今日はメチャ獣臭したけど、大丈夫？心配だなあ。

[@Dylonely42]

24:04