an absolute masterclass in orchestration. it really surprised me when i'd found out it wasn't ravel himself who had orchestrated the final movement! bravo to Kocsis!
@andrewfortmusic2 жыл бұрын
Ah fancy seeing you here!
@a-un7952 Жыл бұрын
The orchestration by Kocsis is not good enough to remind us of one by Ravel.
@Dodecatone10 ай бұрын
he orchestrated the fugue too!
@Dylonely428 ай бұрын
Indeed.
@omegamale78804 ай бұрын
It's even more surprising that Ravel didn't bother to orchestrate Toccata, a piece which practically begs to be orchestrated.
@9827george3 жыл бұрын
I am really grateful for Zoltán Kocsis to have completed the orchestration!
@martineslava86423 жыл бұрын
The two completed movements by Kocsis have always been a revelation. The fugue is like the cooing of sad pigeons on a rainy day while the toccata is like flying over the ocean. Wonderful, thank you.
@Brad4Ellis3 жыл бұрын
I misread this at first as ‘the cooking of sad pigeons …’ with which I would have disagreed.
@martinianotanoni3 жыл бұрын
When I was 18 years old, I studied this on the piano. I´d never heard the orchestration of the whole work. Hear it now brings me the same fascination I felt back then
@joshscores33602 жыл бұрын
Wow, you played this when you were _18?_ It's very difficult, especially the concluding Toccata. Amazing!
@duryi63996 ай бұрын
You are very talented 🎉❤
@lubiskat6 ай бұрын
Kocsis is the man! What an amazing ear he had. Played the Strauss Burleske with him back in 1987 or 88 in a BBC Prom with the BBC SO. Happy days!!
@duryi63996 ай бұрын
👍
@lisys5117 ай бұрын
My comfort ravel piece
@expilectakunai2 ай бұрын
Same here
@oscargill4232 жыл бұрын
For some reason this piece feels like sitting in a cool, gently flowing stream.
@GarciaAlisson3 жыл бұрын
Never knew Kocsis completed the two missing movements. So good! And really close to what Ravel would have done himself. I love it!
@Cmaj73 жыл бұрын
Kocsis' orchestrations of the two missing movements are really amazing in my opinion. He does "cheat" though in the toccata by adding a lot of percussion instruments (and I think trombone) to the orchestra.
@james_subosits3 жыл бұрын
@@Cmaj7 Honestly though, it works well with the percussion though, and I think having some percussion solves a few problems, such as the snare drum ensuring that the 16th notes below the staff are heard clearly
@GarciaAlisson3 жыл бұрын
@@james_subosits agreed! i think the percussion here has not only achieved great effect but also helped a lot of the rhythm to be clear and precise.
@raagamuffin2 жыл бұрын
Can someone please share his orchestration of Toccata? I’m dying to see how he did it
@yowo61053 ай бұрын
@@Cmaj7 Yes! Similarly, I think he added an extra oboe to the Fugue (so now its 2 oboe 1 EH), which I think Ravel wouldn't have done.
@cybercamp2900 Жыл бұрын
TOTAL audio delight 🙂🙂🙂 Many thanks for many listens🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
@moxyblackfiddler Жыл бұрын
His use of rhythm is epic
@a-un7952 Жыл бұрын
effective, no waste, the greatest orchestration
@alexkije2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a million for showing the score! It helps me tremendously to actually see and hear the music! CHEERS!
@expilectakunai2 ай бұрын
This is one of those pieces that really uplifts my faith in humanity. Just the purest display of human creativity and passion.
@brickhead97793 жыл бұрын
I haven't heard this version before, it really opens a new perspective on the piece!
@Mahlerlover213 жыл бұрын
Don Freund arranged the Toccata for the original instrumentation and it’s available as a score video on KZbin!
@danielf10662 жыл бұрын
I really like the orchestration for the fugue but the toccatta seems a bit too.. big? Like its a fantastic orchestration but it sounds like its written on a grander scale and for a bigger orchestra than the rest which makes it sound a bit off in context of the full piece (to me at least). Still glad we got an orchestration for those two movements though, its a shame ravel didnt orchestrate them himself
@dndnfgo-i3h2 жыл бұрын
Nice! I really like this orchestration.
@Hispano15 Жыл бұрын
Second time listening to this and it really reminds me of the music from the Cat Returns lol
@Hispano15 Жыл бұрын
idk tho it might just be me
@raagamuffin2 жыл бұрын
Do you have the score sheet for Toccata? I would really like to see Kocsis' arrangement and distribution of instruments. I tried searching online but never found it.
@douglasyiuchinglok3073 жыл бұрын
Where are the full scores of Kocsis’ two orchestrations? Can someone tell me?
@averagemusicenjoyer3 жыл бұрын
What Internet had missed all this time !
@slateflash3 жыл бұрын
23:47 How does he achieve that sound?!
@segmentsAndCurves3 жыл бұрын
You use the power of the impressionist.
@eduardomanrique4003 жыл бұрын
Trombone glissando
@slateflash3 жыл бұрын
@@eduardomanrique400 Thanks, i was thinking it was a gliss plus flutter. Maybe some horn trills as well
@Cmaj73 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I was thinking it was trombone too, but I was a bit doubtful that Kocsis would add in trombones as well.
@kevinzhengmusic3 жыл бұрын
Horns, ff, rip, cuivré (like 24:17)
@kimurico13 жыл бұрын
I want to believe Ravel would have approved of what Kocsis did.
@brownie345410 ай бұрын
That’s the good shit right there
@owengette80892 жыл бұрын
20:10
@lisys5117 ай бұрын
Ravel-french genius :3
@Dylonely429 ай бұрын
Wonderful.
@joaobastosO_O7 ай бұрын
when it went DUN dundun DUN dundundundundun, I really felt that.
@duryi63996 ай бұрын
You mean in Forlane?
@joaobastosO_O6 ай бұрын
@@duryi6399 rigaudon
@Scriabinfan5933 жыл бұрын
This is so good, but I love the piano version more tbh.
@duryi63996 ай бұрын
In some movements, the piano is better, but when Ravel orchestrated it, i preffer the orchestral version
@StudSupreme Жыл бұрын
Dio mio, ma che bella musica.
@jakelolzhaha2 ай бұрын
Under appreciated piece
@dakotapederson10223 жыл бұрын
Anyway to find the orchestrated score for these two movements?
@Cmaj73 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, I can't find any indication that the orchestrations were published.
@MG-ye1hu Жыл бұрын
It isn't the Ravel forgot to orchestrate the other two pieces or didn't have the time for it. He had of course his reasons. Kocsis orchestrations are technically well done and you can tell that he adapted many things from Ravel's orchestration of other works, but especially the Toccata is just over the top. The rich Daphnis style is just inappropriate for this piece.
@lukez6203 Жыл бұрын
I can hear an extra oboe and an alto flute added in the fugue. I agree that it would be better to stick to original orchestration as much as possible, but it's very beautiful nonetheless!
@raulespejo25873 жыл бұрын
what does he use for 22:45? in movies they do the same for the wind
@Cmaj73 жыл бұрын
It's a wind machine.
@ArturBL79 Жыл бұрын
I would love to buy the Zoltan Kocsis sheet music. Does anyone know where I can get it? Thanks in advance
@Dylonely428 ай бұрын
13:34
@douwemusic2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad there's an orchestration of the toccata... but... that glockenspiel was very uncalled for
@eldertonlewismusic Жыл бұрын
Anyway of sourcing Kocsis' orchestration? The opening is so light and playful, I love it!
@fujikocla10 ай бұрын
0:00 2:05 7:00 11:00 14:30
@kikumushi1965 Жыл бұрын
オケ版にフーガとトッカータが入ってる。面白い。
@ryliephillips7179Ай бұрын
14:50
@fingerhorn42 жыл бұрын
Why does everyojne play this so damn fast? It sounds so much better with a moderate pace.
@GUILLOM2 жыл бұрын
No
@classicore22 Жыл бұрын
@@GUILLOMñ
@GUILLOM Жыл бұрын
@@classicore22 hi
@GerrlichStudios Жыл бұрын
lyric
@mysterium3642 жыл бұрын
I don't want to be that guy but... 5:20 😬
@somebody90332 жыл бұрын
what happens there?
@mysterium3642 жыл бұрын
@@somebody9033 Horn plays an F sharp instead of an F natural.
@somebody90332 жыл бұрын
@@mysterium364 Great observation. I missed it completely. Thanks.
@pineapple7024 Жыл бұрын
…but you are that guy
@Dylonely42 Жыл бұрын
… I am :(
@ormpi111 ай бұрын
Im here for the 69:th comment
@santiagovidal95623 жыл бұрын
7:44
@jessturner6886 Жыл бұрын
You had me until the wind machine at 22:45
@skylarlimex Жыл бұрын
that's quite literally one of my favourite parts and genius imo
@jessturner6886 Жыл бұрын
@@skylarlimex I admit, the Daphnis and Chloe reference is a nice little Easter Egg, but the last movement is really just a little too over-the-top.
@skylarlimex Жыл бұрын
@@jessturner6886 i see what you mean, he indeed "cheated" by adding more instruments and in the end, le tombeau is meant to be a very classical and balanced piece with minimal means. nonetheless i still feel that it's an absolutely magical orchestration by Kocsis and i'd very much rather listen to an orchestral performance which included the two missing movements