I Want To Be A K-Pop Idol: Can Intensive Bootcamps In South Korea Help? - Part 2 | Talking Point

[@celo0o0]

After seeing too many underaged idols’ parents letting their kids debut at very very young age, I am very satisfied with Kade’s father’s response. Now that I’m older, do wish idols should at least graduate high school before being a trainee / debuting. I wish 18+ isn’t old enough to start. Nowadays kpop company started recruiting kids as young as 8, which is crazy.

[@진사은-b1o]

unfortunately 18 is most of the agency's cut off age for auditions and the older you are, the harder you get in because they tempt to learn slower and agency want him or her to be ready to debut before trainee turn 20.

[@RoyLimisAw3s0me]

@@진사은-b1o if you know KPOP; Jessica Jung/Krystal Jung of Girls Generation and (f)x of SM and three members of TWICE Dahyun/Chaeyong/Tzuyu did attend High School as trainees and IDOLS.... 3 TWICE were attending Hanlim Multi Art School or other Art High School which most IDOLS did finish.. actually a lot graduated high school.. while practising and having monthly vocal/dance assessments while going to High Schools.. to name all the idols.. the list is long...

[@kelvinkwok5305]

@@RoyLimisAw3s0meIt is also a known fact that these idols do not attend classes frequently. There simply isnt enough time in their packed schedule to do so. And come on, these are Art Schools, not the traditional academic schools which requires a lot more studying.

[@RoyLimisAw3s0me]

@@kelvinkwok5305 high school is still high school;

[@selenophile6405]

​@RoyLimisAw3s0me most idols dont even attend regular classes nor the activities the point is to let them live like a normal kid and attend classes and work with other children all of these idols from hanlim only join it for formality

[@denden2935]

What's ironic is a lot of idols who are in the biggest groups were scouted and passed auditions despite having no singing or dancing abilities. I think becoming a trainee is sheer luck/happenstance and then it's afterwards the sheer hard graft starts.

[@kimckawa]

This is nonesense. All BTS members were already deep in dancing/singing before being scouted. Same w Blackpink members

[@denden2935]

@@kimckawaI said a lot of idols, not all idols...

[@cazrick4407]

Jin had nothing to do with music prior to being scouted... @@kimckawa

[@weilm]

beauty matters a lot obviously. you can teach singing dancing, but can't teach beautiful

[@hazelmint6671]

Yeah NCT taeyong comes to mind. He turned out to be an amazing singer though.

[@anticommunist-sg3cn]

NGL the producer had the time of her life in Korea. free vacation and she got free dance lessons and had a ton of fun. huge W to the producer lady.

[@xEPICxNESS]

I’m happy with Kades father giving his answer, while still providing his daughter the experience to attend idol bootcamp to achieve a part of her dream while focusing on her studies.

[@mariasol1545]

Out of everyone in that room, Kade is the only one BARELY who might have a shot. 1:23 The girl with tattoos and pink hair is Absolutely not making it, neither is practically any person in 10:07. No hate but none of them have visual so scouters won't even consider them for a second

[@flex1862]

@@mariasol1545 yeah that white girl looks like a typical kboo lmao

[@wehcd]

2.5k just for this bootcamp? Kade is very much loved by her parents! Back then my parents don't even want to pay for my local university fees when they disapprove of the course of study, because to them it is not "technical" or "specialised" enough for them.

[@John_Smith_86]

If you are just enjoying yourself in uni, instead of it being your finanical investment, makes sense that your parents don't wanna pay for your hobby, right?

[@wehcd]

@@John_Smith_86 last I checked a degree in Marketing didn't count as a hobby considering I didn't do it in my leisure time or for pleasure :(

[@John_Smith_86]

@@wehcd Yes, that is a valid degree. Maybe their funds are constrainted though, or you had other siblings

[@patt5085]

2.5k is reasonable though. One trip overseas, two concert tickets, one year worth of Ang pao, etc. I have seen many 2 days conference cost more for some shady business advice that easily found online.

[@colacolala]

?? 2.5k is much cheaper than average kpop bootcamps..

[@ktwei]

These people still don't understand. You can pay companies to train you, to give you a shot but likely from the first day they already know if there are gonna put you on a team or not. Besides even with the slight chance that they do, the public still has to like you. Some people get the easier way in life to make big money but the incredibly high majority don't.

[@JayJay-st1jj]

thats why for most its just a dream.... also need to have $$ to attend all these classes and fly overseas

[@babylips00]

Yeah the biggest names of K-pop became idols by chance They’ll pick someone random off the street that they can mold to their liking before taking someone who’s already been training for 12 years For example: rose in black pink, Felix from stray kids

[@VermontConnection]

​​​@@babylips00 afaik rosé auditioned to be a kpop idol and not streetcasted, she then flew from aus to korea even though her dad didn't approve. But yeah felix was streetcasted.

[@stayville-connections]

@@VermontConnectionwas he? i didn’t know that 😭

[@TheRealKaylee_loljk]

​@@babylips00don't spread misinformation, rose didn't wanted to be a kpop idol but her dad convinced her

[@psgistheworstclubineurope]

The father response is a classic. Reluctant, but wife persuade him to let her go boot camp.

[@TomNook.]

Henpecked

[@KitLingLau2009]

If she got the chance, I have no idea why her Dad will reject but sent her to the boot camp lol

[@John_Smith_86]

@@KitLingLau2009 He ddn't want to at all. That was the compromise he tolerated

[@ariesaraya1822]

​​@@KitLingLau2009There's alot of abuse in that industry. Especially w/ creepy men preying on young girls. I feel bad for her tho. If she has dreams instead of shutting them down he should keep the lines of communication open and step in if she's ever in a bad situation.

[@Shadowboost]

Wife is literally projecting her life goals to her daughter

[@yumingsu9263]

I am definitely rooting for Kade! She got the idol look and the talent, and she has also put in a lot of work! I believe she will go far! Keep pushing! ✊✊✊

[@holly-zw1bf]

anyone has an idol look

[@FransceneJK98]

Anyone can be made to look like an idol. She’s better off staying away from the industry. You have no idea how depressing it is

[@lalakuma9]

I hope that even if she doesn't become a K-pop idol, she would have a chance to do something she loves with her talent.

[@lovelydiva06]

@@holly-zw1bfno anyone don’t have the idol look so don’t be dense cause you know what they mean and kpop is heavily focused on visuals these days

[@holly-zw1bf]

@@lovelydiva06 don't be dense? i think having beauty standards is bad

[@be5825]

I got contacted by YG when I auditioned for them online, I was 15 back then. I'm 25 now and thinking back, it was definitely the best decision for me to reject them and gave up on dreaming to be a Kpop idol. I thought a lot about my freedom, what I really wanted to do with my life thus it wouldn't be guaranteed that I would have passed the later in person auditions or even debuting. Being a Kpop idol is not an easy job, it takes a lot of passion and dedication from a person for every single day. Definitely not for me. Good luck to whoever dreams or trying to pursuit their dream of being a Kpop idol.

[@chocoalmondfudge]

BM have members trained during 2018. So many left at YGE

[@Gemstonesfff]

LOL😂

[@neongalaxy1304]

yes being a kpop idol is definitely not easy some people see very little of kpop idol life and think their life is so easy but no in reality it really very difficult and tiring and being able to debut is not easy as well in YG they debut very talented and skilled people that train for very long minimum was 1 year and longest probably at least 4-6 years it takes dedication and patience and commitment to train that long and be able to debut especially since you have to train every single day for monthly evaluations have to know how to sing rap dance and have good facial expressions and have confidence and be able to handle being criticised to be able to get better ive watched babymonster YG new gg evaluations for their debut and it definitely did not seem easy at all all yg artists worked hard for their success which is so so amazing

[@inquisitvem6723]

Idol life is strenuous and stressful. It’s no joke for sure. You have to be mentally tough

[@downundabrotha]

I call bullshxt 😂

[@thewiskeredcat9157]

I know her parents think they are doing her a favor but getting a call from a big company is pretty much a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. It would be a shame to watch them prematurely cut her wings. I understand their concern but there most likely won't be that opportunity waiting for her once she reaches 21 as her dad wanted. I think if she gets through, they should really discuss it together. Some people's strengths are not all in academics and it's unfair to value it over everything else imo.

[@jonyq]

This. In seeking to protect her he is killing what is essentially her dream… I’ve known kids who’ve cut off their parents for way less than that. Perhaps it’s better to arm her with the skills to handle the struggles than to insulate her completely.

[@eyevee4446]

Your 100 percent right I see both sides, I feel like getting a call from a big company can be a curse in disguise but being a kpop idol is a job that you can only go for when your young, I don’t think her parents realize that tho

[@PolarticaStorm]

I can understand her father. But 21 , don't bother at that age to start training.

[@horii1996]

I 100% agree. Why pay and let her go just to say no if she gets in. You’re crushing her dream if she make it or letting her know you don’t think she’ll make it by letting her go.

[@percy_coro_cos]

​@@jonyq Kpop truly is a dream though.... You have a higher chance of becoming a CEO of a country than debuting as an idol (especially a successful one). Not to mention how unhealthy the trainee life alone is. Yes, if you're older than 18 your chances of making it through any audition are really really slim but I'd say developing eating disorders, getting depression and having to deal with the insane amount of hate you receive once you debut is not worth it. She and so so many trainees are way too young to face any of this. Getting proper education is much more important so she has much more freedom to choose a career later on. If you become a trainee at 12-13 (if not younger) and don't debut then you're literally messed up for life.

[@betamax1091]

David Yong is a great guy and will be a tremendous advocate for aspiring Singaporean entertainers. As he mentions, there are no Singapore companies that have the "right" connections to support the growth of these budding talents. He was on another Korean program, and he has big plans for Korea and K-Pop. I wish him the best of luck!!!

[@kpopforever6766]

💯 agree

[@euneun1605]

I'm rooting for Kade, Jiayous girl!!! She definitely put in a lot of hard work to get to where she is right now. I'm sure she'll have her opportunity one day :) Stay healthy and keep going~

[@WJHallyuLover8365]

same here pal. I notice she stood out among the children we see in the eps so far. I wish to see her to stand on stage one day, hope for her to do the best she can

[@jengjengcute]

Kade's dad has very valid concerns, with all the suicides happening. Aja aja fighting Kade! Have the grit to pursue your dreams, continously improve and if its really for you, you will find a way to make your dreams to reality

[@giselleakgae4100]

that's like the father blocking his son from going to the NBA because of all the mass shootings in America.

[@imgonnaputsomedirtinureyedabs]

@@giselleakgae4100it’s not just suicide but also mental health problems in general, possible eating disorders, having adult responsibilities despite only being a child, people sexualising them, it really sucks

[@idontknow9357]

​@@imgonnaputsomedirtinureyedabs This can happen in any profession.

[@imgonnaputsomedirtinureyedabs]

@@idontknow9357 for many professions the people are adults tho

[@idontknow9357]

@@imgonnaputsomedirtinureyedabs It doesn't change, it can happen to anyone and anywhere

[@HelenFlotildes]

I can see Kade in a KPop group. She kind of looks like Izone's Minju, imo. She has nice lines when she dances. And her voice sounds sweet. I wish her all the best. 😊

[@WJHallyuLover8365]

Make sense. She not just resembles Kim Minju, she seems to resemble Lee Youngseo a bit whenever she smiles

[@Youyouhssssjjjnnhbb-xj7yl]

OMG I was gonna say the same thing

[@brokenglassshimmerlikestar3407]

Yeah she's got the looks. Many other kids in the bootcamp do not have idol potential though

[@armymoo6967]

Can you meet up with Kade again in the future and make a new epsiode or at least give us an update where she is and what she is doing/if she became a trainee?

[@sjhhermionedanielle7382]

keep going kade ❤ it seems so tough to break into the industry, with visa and experience differences :” but pursue ur dreams!

[@gold9994]

YOU ARE NOT GOING TO DEBUT. GET OVER IT. OPEN YOUR LEGS TO SOME BILLIONAIRES (I BET THEY DID)

[@daciabenson9152]

@@gold9994 bro wtf

[@elainelat8067]

The entertainment industry is a gamble. Even if you get in, staying in is a different story. When a Korean agency picked the final 7 of what's to become the first all-Filipino boy group to debut in Korea, Hori7on, the boys already knew that it was going to be a blood bath from then on, from what kind of training they experienced from Korean coaches. In an interview, Reyster even somewhat expressed the thought of giving up but that his fellow members are the ones anchoring him to stay strong. It gave us SEA K-pop fans a glimpse of what it's like to fight for a place and what it takes to keep that place theirs. I really do hope more Southeast Asians can make it to the K-pop scene. I believe it's a matter of giving it your all and showing that you're hungrier than anyone else. It's not going to be easy but given that K-pop popularity is only growing globally, anyone can have the chance as long as you're willing to climb to the standards that their predecessors in the industry had set.

[@kimckawa]

Last time I checked Lisa/Bp is one of the biggest K-pop global star. Now she’s supposedly dating billionaire son of Chanel! So it’s already proven SEA idols can succeed and thrive under K-pop platform

[@stayville-connections]

there is also the new filipino members of unis, gehlee and elisia! they are amazing and i wish them the best

[@mai7287]

i feel like shes gonna make it she has so much potential😭

[@Youyouhssssjjjnnhbb-xj7yl]

She should definitely go. She can continue her study in Korea. This kind of opportunity comes only once. Sure it won't be easy but diamonds are made from extreme pressure

[@melvin91motorola]

I'm so proud of munah cover this segment ❤ I like her proffesional vibes here

[@alrose8870]

Kade has the looks of a potential visual of a group. These top tier companies turn normal looking people into superstars.

[@c4un544n5]

K pop training will always look extreme from the outside, but the last scene of fans waiting in the freezing cold just for a 1 second glimpse of their idols is truly captivating.

[@boxes8652]

I know nothing about kpop but this kind of effort defo applies to all other niches with competition involved. Passion pushes people to exert a lot of effort and sacrifice even though they're aware of the fact that not all hopefuls will get to reach the top. But most often than not, all the skills and lessons that we gain from these experiences are what launches us to do what we are truly meant for.

[@amanduuuh_7117]

I'm glad to see this mentioned! It's easy to 'other' kpop from a western or really any other perspective. But people forget about Dance Moms and Ballroom kids and beauty pageants on TLC. And thats not even touching on olympic sports. Parents everywhere push their kids to the extreme to get ahead. I think extra-curriculars and following your dreams should be encouraged, but parents need to draw the line at extreme beauty standards that lead to plastic surgery or extreme diets at a young age. And that doesn't often happen in any of these spaces.

[@ibanghtg4993]

life is hard. its good for these youngster to challenge themselves to find who they are & what are their purpose in life.

[@seferino]

That's the only best thing this camps will teach you. That life ain't easy. 💯💯🤔🤔🤔

[@jem3706]

The showcase was just like a wholeass highschool performance 💀

[@kuyab9122]

Yup. It makes me appreciate the idols more now actually. The things they go thru to become a full-fledged one is extremely small and dire

[@mirynth]

Rooting for Kade!! She's working sooo hard, even doing well in her exams just to be able to experience a boot camp that has a 5% chance of getting her into a private audition 😢

[@dreameisters]

I can understand the dad, he wants to protect his daughter. I do hope he will allow her to pursue her dream in the end. It's hard for foreigner to be a kpop idol, so far the main selling point about kpop in my own eyes is about Korean people.

[@emailant]

That Munah, gets in on the action is flipping! Way to go Munah! Il'm sure it wasn't easy for you but you're amazing too. 🤩

[@KY-xz9yb]

Kade's visuals are insane, espercially when considering she doesnt even have makeup on and acne is clear, and is still young. She def has the visuals that can carry her to success

[@danielkannan6246]

Great work Munah & team…just a suggestion… Please follow up with part 3 to show who were the successful selected participants and follow up with Kade and see what was in the successful participant and how she can follow through & not give up … Something that all participants need to remember is that there was a pop music market way before Kpop & even though Kpop is hugely successful in terms of visibility, it only contributes something like only 6-8% of the global recorded music markets So there is still life & many other options & ways of breaking into the pop music markets aside from Kpop… Kpop is hugely successful & popular but at the same time it’s very manufactured, predictable & routine which is good & works for them but that’s definitely not the only way … ( just my opinion, not meant to trigger any die hard fans of kpop & all the artists from Rain, Wondergirls, Psy, BTS, Blackpink & all the many other artists in between…who all worked so hard to get to where they are & that’s why they have the biggest fan bases that the artists rightfully deserve … Asian artists to the fore….go Asia …

[@kimckawa]

“Manufactured” comes w being boy/girl bands. It’s also this manufactured formulaic structure that allows anyone Korean/or not be part of K-pop industry

[@youngfadula]

I think A LOT of us wanted to be K-pop idols, either becuz we love to sing or dance or whatever, but the TRUTH IS if you are not from a MAJOR company like SM, YG, JYP, BigHit (and its sublabels), Starship etc, you will be unknown and just disappear, similar to what happened to Singaporean K-pop idols Ferlyn and Tasha

[@Youare_beautiful55]

You mean HYBE?😂🩷

[@laurenm.6320]

Kade seems like a lovely and talented young lady, I hope her future goes smoothly for whatever is the right path for her

[@ashaadvikavinustmargaretss1150]

kade needs to debut oml, she's a whole package

[@jofinsoup]

REALEST OMG

[@Bull_fart1997]

I can see her in a kpop group in the coming future

[@karencruz2132]

At the end of the day I feel they base their decision mainly on looks :/ &sometimes even with talent and looks some don’t make it in the industry 🫤

[@viajaycay]

Im invested to know if Kade did make the cut! is there another part to this? having followed way too many kpop grps i think she's got what most companies look out for. it'll be quite a mission to convince her parents tho!

[@GG89262]

She is cute. Of course I am not a professional evaluator but as a Kpop fan for a long time. I immediately like her. I could eventually see her as a future Kpop star. I hope the best for her. However if she wait until 21 to pursue it then I think it would be too late for her.

[@johnsbananamilkshake]

kade is really pretty she definetly fits the beaty standards for idols

[@carinneduquenne]

The father is so right ❤ to protect his daughter !!

[@pineappl3pizzzasoju]

22:50 Mentions TXT, IVE and aespa. Shows Yuqi from (G)I-DLE.

[@kaede1_346]

I hope Kade is let to follow her dreams if she's selected, even though her parents worries are very reasonable. She's beautiful, bright and talented. Best of luck to her!

[@Asthepersianssay]

Kade is so pretty! Hopefully she becomes an idol ❤

[@plastictulips]

kade is so cute :'( i hope she can get what she wants in any career

[@TinyWolfxx]

I mean don’t we do this for sports? Start training young and send them to trainings and boot camps if they want to be pros… Being an entertainer is just as strenuous a career as an athlete and even more to learn since public image is slightly more important. How to dance and sing is important, but how to interview or host a game show… this has to be learned and can be trained for like anything else

[@hazelmint6671]

​@@P.90.603Not true. Many idols still sing way past 30 like Rain and Boa, or start their own company like Jyp who also trains Kpop trainees. Most become solo singers if they are popular enough.

[@TinyWolfxx]

@@P.90.603 you spend lots of money to train for sports. I’m not sure if you’re aware that many training facilities and coaching, workshops, camps, and classes are NOT free

[@TinyWolfxx]

@@P.90.603 also you’re loud and unaware that kpop stars also get education and if they study further, they can be lawyers dentists, whatever else you listed lol. Comment on things you are sure you know about and the people you’re talking with do not know more about the subject than you do

[@seferino]

Kpop is probably worse than being an athlete. If u are a good u can have chances of joining a team. But in Kpop you have to be perfect and still no guarantee of success or anything. 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️💯💯🤔🤔🤔

[@idontknow9357]

Agree

[@WJHallyuLover8365]

I am so excited about this second episode since I love Kpop. i wish all the children the best for their future. It is not easy to embark on this path nowadays. fighting

[@timeservers]

Kade reminds me of Kim Minju - Korean actress and singer (previously Izone member)

[@flaggov6949]

This makes me think of ATEEZ's Yeosang. His parents were not supportive, but they did say he could train as long as he kept up in school (I think it was a special science/tech school). He said he studied until 10 or 11 at night and then did training. I can't imagine how hard it must've been to pull that off. But I do think it's important that trainees have a back up plan because noone can see the future.

[@eekay3646]

Those are words of wisdom, from David Yong. And it holds true for any highly selective "good ol' boys' or girls' club" in the game of life. Not everyone will get in, no matter how talented they are....It's a different world, and you got to be an insider.

[@abolakeshowmustafa4279]

together with mainstay Kpop idols such as Koreans, Japanese, Chinese, And some Taiwanese and Thais( coz of Lisa of Black Pink), Filipinos now are the next wave of KPOP idols!🙂

[@kimckawa]

I agree. Next LaLisa will be Filipina

[@sinnopal1]

I agree. But Filipina got no invitation from Thai TV audition show because Thais did not want no Filipina in their group.

[@abolakeshowmustafa4279]

@@sinnopal1 Its because Filipinas are way too extremely talented once they compete in any KPOP Survival Show. they’ll dominate and become newly born top tier KPOP idol such as Sophia Laforteza of Dream Academy and Elisia, Gehlee Dangca, Belle of Signature of Universe ticket! L🤣l

[@seferino]

Mostly likely selling Pop soda on the streets. 💯💯🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️ Korean standards of beauty are too rigid. 🤔

[@pmh1nic]

When you see new groups, how polished they are, they're really not new given the years of hard training they've undergone.

[@Sunshineattacks3]

17:35 this was an evil way to ask this question. Her parents support her so much they don’t want her to be put in harms way by becoming an idol as a child.

[@yumzersjs]

her dads opinion is sososo valid.

[@breakaway2x]

People need to understand the reality of being a famous Kpop idol is like winning the lottery. You have a much better chance at simply becoming a decent famous youtuber with your kpop dance training, and just make a vlog about trying on clothes, doing some fitness workouts, and showing off your youth and beauty and you'll make plenty of money. 0.00001% you will be like Blackpink. 30-40% chance you can become a famous social media influencer. There are plenty of girls out there who just try on clothes in front of a camera and make $100,000K a month.

[@sinnopal1]

22:48 That's Yuqi of G-Idle at KBS MusicBank

[@portner85]

Yuqi has a nice body

[@senshai1267]

Why is everything from south korea so intense , even school sounds less fun

[@swmlove]

In Korea everyone desperately study hard, everyone works hard and additionally this society requires you to have more than being enough. So Why we call Korea Hell Chosen. If you want to become a singer, you need to dance almost like dance Choreographer, you need to sing like professional main singer with skinny body and good face. I love my country as one Korean but I don't like the system. If you want to understand those intense society, I think Korea history helps you to get better understanding. Even though HongKong situation is not very good, I am afraid of going back to Korea....

[@kimckawa]

You hv to know Korean history from turn of the century- 50yrs Japanese colonization, attempted erasure of Korean language/culture, Korean War (millions of deaths), North/South territorial/ideological divide etc etc…traumas after traumas! It’s coattails of survival paranoia, revenge, overcompensating for deep rooted inferior complexes from past traumas. Similar to Jewish people after the holocaust. Net effect Koreans excel everything they do!

[@havensohn3821]

When has school ever been fun though? I do agree that sk needs to calm down on the kids cause they are running out of koreans for the next generation with the low birth rates. They don't have time to sleep and the bullying is crazy.

[@magnetospin]

Excuse me, in what country is school fun?

[@mashitta5969]

Korea is a competitive society and you should try hard at everything to survive.

[@Agares-z]

Kade has such a nice voice!!

[@ariesaraya1822]

For ppl w/ talent this is a good way to hone it. I would not recommend it for anyone just starting out. However, this is a light scam, almost like the small colleges made just to attract international students.

[@seferino]

It is a scam. 💯💯💯

[@Smoses_senpai]

Thanks for those two videos they were really well made and interesting 😊👍

[@qwertybirds]

Kpop agencies still prefer asians / east asian looking faces. That's not to discourage westerners for trying to achieve this goal but in an industry where looks are weighed sometimes more heavily than talent and strict beauty standards. Westerners making the final lineup would most likely be a long shot at best imo.

[@alrose8870]

JYP tried to stem the tide by creating VCHA, a mostly foreign idol group. But even with such opportunity, gaining local and even international fans is the next challenge. VCHA has moderate success as of now, and most of that is because they are under JYP.

[@qwertybirds]

@@alrose8870 Yeah kuddos for jyp for going out on a limb with vcha but I just don't see them taking off much past the initial excitement of their debut. Something about when companies try to plug western members into the "K-pop formula" (even though it might not technically be considered kpop) it never seems to work. Great example being BlackSwan after years, several lineup changes, and rebranding they seem like a group that's just barely hanging on

[@idontknow9357]

​@@qwertybirds I agree, at first it can create curiosity but after... I think that for vcha it will be like a wave , Maybe I'm wrong That's the difficulty, to stay in consecutive popularity especially if there are no Korean members too

[@RandalReid]

Even if they become trainees or even chosen to be a member of a debuting kpop group, if the company isn't one of the big 4, there's a big chance they'll be stuck in nugu limbo.

[@angietan77]

There were 2 singaporean kpop idols what... Tasha and Ferlyn from SKARF years back... Too bad the band disbanded quite fast, really liked them

[@somyung1991]

I sent in an audition tape to SM Entertainment when I was 13……..in 2000 😅 sang S.E.S song Dreams Come True. I’m glad I sent the only original because I think it’s very embarrassing tape probably. Back then K-Pop was basically only for Koreans though, things were different then.

[@RayMak]

Such amazing discipline

[@JEMXliveChannel]

And u don’t give up on commenting in youtube. U disapear recently.

[@Jjangbunbun]

21! Dad sorry there is no hope of debuting at that age

[@sinnopal1]

Irene made the debut at 23. And She did it with SM, arguably the most difficult and prestigious Kpop company.

[@Jjangbunbun]

@@sinnopal1 its definitely possible but nowadays… the odds are not in their favor.

[@reneecrotty6910]

if you dont look the part, you are already out.

[@ashambor4220]

didn't know being just a trainee is soo expensive , no wonder y they said most kpop idols came from a rich or average family..

[@everydaysamething]

Most of these kids are being exploited for their money and it's unfortunate. 95% of these kids in the room are immediately disqualified from the beginning for various reasons and are only strung along for the lesson fees. Especially these kids that aren't Asian. Sadly they think they can be Kpop stars but it's fundamentally impossible. Kpop is Kpop because Korean people or Korean passing people are the idols, nobody wants to see a white, black, hispanic, etc person trying to sing/rap in Korean and dance in the context of this music genre. It's been tried a few times before and failed every time. If they want to be in the music industry they should do it but not fixate on being Kpop idols because it becomes something different afterwards. You have to be born a certain way to become a Kpop idol and that's just reality people have to face. It's not a bad thing or a good thing it's just a thing.

[@skapon86]

But now I’m so curious about Kade, I wanna know what happens next. And of course she’ll be beautiful she is now!

[@towerofgodbamthe25th4]

PLS have a continued episode

[@LinaTirouda]

12:10 he’s so handsome and pretty also when he’s dancing the guy in the black shirt

[@itzSoonz]

Being a dancer is not easy, trust me

[@brianb8498]

i trust you maximum bro

[@ximonwhhatt3796]

Imagine crumping in tears and dancing your heart out in front of judges because your life depends on it so you can be a little bit more popular than other people. All these people will become a puppet of the industry even if they succeed. The real artists are the ones who can make their own music and dance to their own song.

[@kimckawa]

Such narrow definition of artist. Didn’t famous Steve Jobs of Apple say “great artist steal”…in the real world great artists are ones that know how to sell- image, products, stories etc.. to the masses. Your quaint definition of artists don’t exist anymore or still live in someone’s basement

[@ximonwhhatt3796]

@@kimckawa didn't Sun Tzu said "to be a great artist you must be the artist?" I don't think you understand that some of these kpop groups aren't writing their own songs and doing their own dances. They are literally trained and given songs to sing and be a product of entertainment by the agency. They will be a beneficiary to the agency. Their life will revolve on the agencies agendas and not their personal. The artists that I mention are the only ones that are super successful. They are unique individuals that have true creativity.

[@kimckawa]

@@ximonwhhatt3796 Actually I am very familiar w K-pop system. Sure most don’t write/choreo their music cuz they’re main role is essentially of performers/entertainers. There are exceptions like BTS, Bigbang, Psy etc which write produce own music. But just cuz idols are not writing own music don’t mean there’s no artistry in the production. Obviously somebody has to write the songs and create chereos for them so artists are involved behind the scene. Western “artists” aren’t that much different. Most of the time they’re singing someone else songs and dancing to hired chereos as well. The value of K-pop in global stage is that it gives visibility to Asian music/culture/people while creating pan-Asian experiences. Just as these Singaporean kids grown up listening to kpop and now aspiring to be one. K-pop platform gives them that opportunity to potentially be global star in a heavily Western dominated field.

[@user-zk6no3no3g]

Puppets, aren't we all.

[@sinnopal1]

So called singer-songwriters of the past are NOT talented at all. These anglo-american whitemen were just creatures of their times. BTS, G-Idle, IVE are more talented (and better looking) than Beetles, Rolling Stone and etc.

[@lana-ef5hw]

it was so sad to hear that when she's 21 she'll be "too old" for the industry. these companies seriously need to consider the long term damage of having minors debut.

[@gabrielamartins1172]

I liked Kade's father's response. It's crazy that children aged 13, 14 and 15 are debuting, when they haven't even formed a critical and refined sense yet. It's necessary to have a strong head and deal with harsh criticism to be a Kpop Idol, but companies are recruiting such young people... Speaking as a 19-year-old teenager, it's hard for me to know what I want [to do with my life]. Imagine having to grow up and mature quickly in the judgmental eyes of the public, while taking on adult responsibilities? Honestly, I don't know at what point we started normalizing kids debuting, but it's wrong... we should be training them, caring for them, and protecting them until they're old enough to decide what they want to do with their future.

[@TomNook.]

Forget the agencies, it's easier* to setup your own group and market organically through social media *But still extremely unlikely

[@robertlee6338]

Not much different to having a dream to become elite footballer. One in a million makes it with sheer talent, the rest train and practice non stop.

[@idontknow9357]

True, I think of my friend who wants to become a Professional footballer They have to have passion and not give up

[@thetwink5239]

5 to 6% for private audition thats sad. So bootcamp is just for fun, academy is much better for my opinion. I agree with the parents, study first.

[@numuves]

What an excellent report. CNA is an indispensable media outlet.

[@UNIS_International]

Imagine putting yourself through all this torture for probably nothing

[@denden2935]

I would run a boot camp...$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[@lolololo-cx4dp]

Isn't that just every boot camp ever lol

[@Drop_The_Mic]

@@lolololo-cx4dp i mean, i bet most of them aren't even serious about it. I don't wanna be mean, but you see people who are fat and not in shape, people who are not asian (won't even be considered), and people who are just ugly. when it comes to k pop, its all about looks. everything else can be trained.

[@lolololo-cx4dp]

@@Drop_The_Mic oh yeah absolutely agree on that

[@SolidoNaso.]

@@Drop_The_Mic There's non-asians who get accepted

[@leeck_anderson9492]

To be an idol in Korea, the first top priority is your physical shape. You must be slim and have a pretty face and clean skin. The whole appearance will be judged rather than your talents.

[@uwusunoo]

Kade gives off tzuyu vibes

[@AbyssalKnight437]

Singapore did have three representatives who were Kpop idols - Tasha, Ferlynn and the last one which i cannot remember the name of so suddenly.

[@sandreafoo382]

Cheris

[@HeyEww]

They all failed miserably. I think Kate would surpass them all

[@Yerinjibbang]

fighting kade!! deifnitely got the potential!!

[@Emkyinshanworldofenthusiasm]

I personally think that isn’t a healthy environment or industry. strict diet, high beauty/appearance standard, competitive industry, no friend one can easily trusted, a lot of critics, all these are super stressful, I can understand why kade’s dad don’t allow her to step in the industry.

[@Learninglotsoflanguages]

Applause for the father for working to protect his daughter!

[@WooShin-s2b]

This is no different from all the other problems Korean society face today. SK student life is the same. SK worker life is the same. They just can't help but torture themselves with the toxic mindset of "i suffered so you must too".

[@evisf628]

Kade reminds me of Haerin of NewJeans, sometimes your similarity with another idol can make you stand out !!!

[@alhkcblack9617]

I have a CO worker who's really into kpop especially the girl groups. I asked him what he loves about it and he keep saying the same stuff that they're talented and how great the songs are...I just said. You know how to tell if it's actually good music or not? Think about your favorite group and instead of them being young beautiful girls, its a group of 50 year old aunties singing and dancing these songs, would you still be interested? His face changed and his shoulders dropped..."well No"

[@0mniessence548]

LMAOOO so true xD if you actually love the SONGS, you would love hearing them sung by anyone with talent, no matter gender or age. I agree... for some people, the cute sexy girls really adds to making the songs "nice" to listen to xD

[@minxili3317]

Kpop has always been about selling the idols with parasocialing and everything. It was never about the music or the concept. Which I why I like Kpop groups that come out of Modhaus as they're the only company that really prioritizes concept and music. They do sell the idol as well since it's Kpop but that's not the main thing they prioritize.

[@SageBaka]

Most singers are good looking even in the west leh lol Good music or not is just personal preference. Don't need to be an expert to know.

[@MagisterialVoyager]

this make me laugh as someone who does enjoy songs by "old people". shout out to mick jagger, i don't think i can really recall how he looks. and genuine kpop bops like brave girls' "after we ride" would sound amazing whoever sings it.

[@seferino]

That's right. Just beauty and no talent. 💯💯💯💯

[@jeremyw.5729]

When you want to convince someone, you have to consider the other person's concerns and priorities.

[@Charlolzies]

zayum this girl has the potential her singing and dancing is nice like fr

[@draken1058]

SL studio seems to have lots of ive fans!!! baddie, off the record and I AM??

[@vixikie]

Even if you actually do manage to debut as a K-Pop idol, you still have to work even harder and compete to other K-Pop idols and gain popularity. I have heard many music shows actually look down on new groups, as some of them even did for BTS when they were new. Also, even if you are in a K-Pop group you can still disband at anytime. For example, not being good enough or something else happening. You can also have one success and then be forgotten. Just because you are an K-Pop idol, does not mean success - just like with any other artists. If you think being an trainee is hard (which is it), imagine how hard it is being an idol. Their comeback schedules are intense plus all the high expectations from fans.

[@andrelopez2514]

to tell you the truth the boot camp is a warming for what comes later, trainers have it harder, even after debuting is still a struggle because they have a lot of competence, not until they become famous and well know at that moment is when they can enjoy it a little, also if you are not at least half Korean/asiatic forget being an idol(becoming a dancer is more plausible), or mayyyyybe they can debut in reaaaally small kind of indie groups, so far none of them have been famous

[@nasmx1692]

She definitely has kpop qualities. Good luck!

[@jessicacristina9052]

Only dumb people dream to be a k-idol

[@nevaehcoco273]

I can tell how much the girl wants to be an idol, she is more than pretty and talented, the most significant is she is very determined at this age. I wish I could have the courage to go to another country and look for the bare chance to do what I love if I was as young as she. But now I'm old, after experiencing ups and downs, I kind of agree with her Dad, no offense, just think the Dad's opinion is a much safer choice.

[@stellaxingguang]

When you’re born to do something then safety is the worst choice.

[@nevaehcoco273]

@@stellaxingguang then best wishes to all who found their talents.

[@remuspierre7573]

Good Advice David Yang

[@ndxxmx2416]

Tbh i think kade age is like the perfect age to be casted bc she'll only hv 3/4 yrs more if she gets to debut at the age of 17/18. Which she hv the chance for more improvement

[@jimy_rizu]

That's why I love and respect Jay Park. He's the first freelance in KPop. Why casting?? Industry?? And all the mental and physical traumas. Just make your own music

[@minkowski2326]

It's the same thing with the English Premier League youth program. Countless kids in the world want to be future football stars but the chances are so tight. So Probably 99 percent of them have to give up their dreams at the end of the day. It doesn't matter how many years they have been trained to become a football player. Since the so-called Western pop which is American pop or British pop industry only prioritized white and blonde kids (their traditional beauty standards), Asian or Non-white kids' dreams of becoming pop stars can only be realized in Korea because, other than in Hollywood, only Korea has all the infrastructures for making idol systems effectively.

[@PieceMeals]

Not true of the UK or US. Plenty of black and mixed boy and gg in the 90s-early 00s. They just went out of fashion and now soloists are in.

[@l_l_lilly]

I wonder why there isn't a music industry in this country creating an idol group and targeting the international market