CNC Buck Building At The Ultimate Community WorkShop : NDSU Innovation Studio

[@davelowinger7056]

It's there a contest for the most awesome shop in the world

[@davesauvageau4376]

Ha! Thank you!

[@bumfie]

YES . . Will watch when i get home . Thanks for posting

[@paulmcdonald9592]

Makes me proud. We're not going anywhere as a country but taking it to the next step. Thank you NDSU and Chris.

[@forthwithtx5852]

NDSU has restored a bit of my faith in the American spirit. Super facility there.

[@johnnyr4767]

Good Ole North Dakota

[@jayk7781]

Fantastic video Chris!

[@tomthompson7400]

wow ,, the past , present and future all in the same building , now thats impressive.

[@4dthinker582]

Excellent video, and thanks for showing off what NDSU can do. For future reference a .005" allowance on joints work well for a slip fit with no hammering. The CNC could also have cut the contour edges you were doing with a hand planer, although that would have taken much more time to make toolpaths for and cut. Dog bones on the inside corners would let the joints fit precisely together. Lastly I've come up with a CNC cut ramped halving joint that would have allowed all your pieces to slide together easily but snug up tight. Reply with contact info if interested. I just retire from teaching furniture design to college students, and was the CNC guru there.

[@Ushaiyer1766]

I have seen you working on this project day and night, very proud of you. ❤ Keep going, all the best always….God bless you.❤

[@NSResponder]

Impressive facility and interesting project.

[@rohitiyer2954]

It has been a pleasure working on this project and one of the best experiences I have ever had! Couldn't thank enough for this.

[@jesussalinas1731]

amazing job Rohit, is there an email I could message you for a job-related matter? Greetings from Tokyo

[@tazanteflight8670]

Incredible

[@Hotzenplotz1]

This place is just incredible!

[@tezzrterry7485]

Great use of hi - tech, to give super accurate dimensions, but still hand made panels.

[@wtfftw24]

Unite handcrafting with hi-tech I think it's a perfect marriage nowadays. Greetings from Italy 👍

[@alecjones7299]

How funny, I just started building an RSK Buck today. My wife thinks I’m crazy, but she gave me the thumbs up

That's awesome man, Stoked you're doing it!

[@buckodonnghaile4309]

As a Buck myself this hits me right in the feels.

[@shawnsmakershop2099]

WOW , inspiring!

[@NathanNostaw]

What an exciting space. I want to rent a tiny office here for a bedroom and just move in. I guess my wife can visit some times if she wants.

[@johna1160]

Wasn't expecting to see Chris use an electric planer to free hand tweak the buck after initially carving it up with super precise CNC router. Perhaps it was necessitated by swollen plywood not seating all the way. Or, maybe he just saw something he thought was not quite right. Definitely don't want to be beating on the panels too much during assembly, good lesson learned. Saw lots of impressive 21st century tech. Starting with international collaboration with design programming, which I find very cool, but perhaps not the optimal way for humans to work together. I imagine it's commonplace already, and surely the future. Enjoyed the tour of NDSU's "Innovation Studio". Good on you, Chris, for giving this facility some exposure. Can easily picture the kid-in-a-candy-store reaction from entrepreneurs of all stripes. Looking forward to another video in a year or two, when, hopefully InStu will be buzzing with activity. Would like to know who funded this place. Was it taxpayers? Corporate endowment? Wealthy Alum?

[@davesauvageau4376]

John, the Innovation Studio is housed inside the NDSU Research & Technology Park, which is a support organization for NDSU. The equipment was purchased with Federal grant funds. We also receive funding from donations from individuals and businesses.

[@peterk2455]

Chris was shaping the bevel on each frame. As each panel is flat on their edge. Similar to shaping a bevel on a boat frame so that the planks do not sit above the edge of the frame. If facing a buck and the panel is rising from right to left hey are bevelled on the right side of the transverse, ie. down, to meet a rising shape. If the shape falls from right to left then the bevel is on the left of the transverse.

[@grantm6514]

That planing is part of the process, necessary because of the thickness of the ply. The CNC router *is* super precise, but as it cuts vertically through a sheet, it yields the same shape on both faces of the sheet. The car's shape changes constantly from front to back, so only one surface of the ply will be the right shape, but the other face is 3/4" away and thus needs to be a slightly different shape. He was basically removing the downhill corner on the tops of those transverse frames, the uphill corner was the correct shape.

[@fixinstuff9662]

I thought they had everything except interiors covered, then, boom, they started showing the textile room.

[@rgl_motorsports]

What an amazing facility! Originally from Fargo, and we did Science Olympiad competitions at NDSU. But I moved away in middle school.

[@davesauvageau4376]

If you're ever back in the area, swing by!

[@ideabrickworks9043]

What an incredible facility! I wish all states would have this kind of resource for innovation and business growth!

[@johndeere1951a]

Yea! I loved my high school Power Mechanics, wood, and metal shop classes in the 1960's. Even had a NRA Riflery course in junior high school(1964). How things have changed😢

[@thetumanshow]

Dream stuff right here

[@richardjones38]

What an amazing place, with facilities and equipment of that quality available for anyone to use. Unfortunately I don't see anyone every investing in anything like it here in the UK.

[@spatchist]

Imagine investing in manufacturing and industry, what a concept !

[@booshkoosh7994]

Wonderful! Thanks, Runge!

[@umeshwarinair9509]

Proud of you Rohit 😊👌. Keep going ahead 👏👏👏👏👏😊

[@user-fb9os7hy2y]

An excellent idea, should be one of these centres in every city Chris..good luck with the build

[@hyperformancellc]

super great video. I have a 5 axis cnc router I bought to build bucks with and the pitch control is great to avoid having to hand sand router the edges for the proper loft.

That would be the ultimate way to do this. 👍🏻👍🏻I need a bigger shop😆

[@hyperformancellc]

@ Ive been cheering you on since I saw that first car you you were in the process of building. I think you were posting on forums then. I was pretty new to shaping and had just bought my first pullmax. A farther drive but if you find yourself in upstate SC with a truckload of plywood Id be happy to pause the shop and cut some lofted bucks. we could also cut a full solid hardwood buck for the intricate areas.

[@johnmcenaney7539]

Fantastic facility! What a great opportunity for people to learn new skills.

[@elvis4182]

Beautifly timeless. A++ thank you for inspiring the future of automated integration design to build

[@patnjos3843]

I wish my city had such a place. Maybe one day

[@adamreynolds1851]

Wow ,I'm a collision tech had no idea places like this where around

[@andydelapoer]

I want to live in that studio

[@telecomwiz2004]

I really like how this channel is evolving. I'm always stoked to see new content.

[@66customsnj]

That’s for the share, I’m having a file cut up right now can’t wait to get it going!

[@Qspecialman]

That is very impressive Chris. What a facility that is. Good luck with the next stage.

[@sterling215]

You are seriously such an inspiration. I will be a customer one day. Thanks for the amazing content!!

[@chrispaterson_Product]

Love your videos! Your level of craftsmanship and history of the eras your are inspired by are really incredible…. and, as a fellow YT content creator (but nowhere near your level), I can appreciate the amount of time and effort you put into these videos. Huge thank you

[@johndeere1951a]

Wow. Wow. Wow!!! Unbelievable facility. Who is the person at the top of the chain that invisioned this place, secured the finances. As you carried the amazing buck out to the trailer i emediately thought of the creation of the PORSCHE 917. Maybe you should take a break from your projects and apply for an internship at Development Centre Weissach. This is very exciting indeed. Congratulations 🏆 Love the cameo appearance of the PIRELLI CN36 tire. Classic tyre 💚 CD in New Hampshire

[@deanmcmanis9398]

Very inspiring to see such a facility. With your background it would be easy to be a kid in a candy store there. And it should help with speeding prototyping/production. Thanks for sharing this cool place! I look forward to seeing your next steps.

[@JorgeArielGarcia]

This was cool

[@MsAston007]

Great video. Would like to see some of the computer designers process

[@maya00795]

Amazing buddy..... greetings from India 🙏🤘🤘😎

[@rexrufer]

Amazing to see this coming together, I'm not surprised to see the struggle with intersecting plywood. Lots of variation there, especially with humidity. Shocked to see you attempting to fix it by changing the dimension of the outer cuts, I would think the simple solution is to sand the plywood faces where the interference is too great, possibly with a relief cut in the bottom of the intersection, allowing the pieces to go "past" each other, then align, glue, and pin or screw. 🤔 I used to program cnc router in early 2000s, and had built an mdf buck similar to this and came across the same problems.

[@customsolutionsinc]

Your auto proj sounds inspiring and the facility sounds awesome... might have take a jont up from Ne.

[@Chris-bg8mk]

Wish we had this capability in my state

I am going to reach out to Dave (from this video) and perhaps he can share here in the comments on how this facility came about. We have had a ton of people make the same comment and it would be amazing to see if other States followed suit!

[@davesauvageau4376]

Before I was hired, the NDSURTP had applied for a grant through the Economic Development Administration to pay for equipment only. After I was hired in February 2020, we were awarded the grant and I have since been working through the arduous process of federal procurement. We have made changes to the building such as HVAC, electrical, compressor plumbing, concrete in the metal shop, floor finishing, lighting, paint, laser fume extraction, dust collection, etc. and that was all paid for out of pocket.

[@davesauvageau4376]

As the Studio Manager, I am responsible for buying equipment, arranging delivery & setup, figuring out how to use each machine, keeping track of consumables, staying on top of preventative maintenance, managing the membership system, building and changing the website, giving tours, making example pieces using the equipment, creating organizational systems for the Studio and helping clients run their projects. My counterpart, Jesse, handles building maintenance, safety and develops training protocol for equipment in the lab. Its a lot to manage with the two of us, and we hope to be able to hire more studio personnel in the future.

[@davesauvageau4376]

Chris, makerspaces are becoming more common every day! There are several types such as community-led, city library hosted, university and university with community access. If you live in an urban area or suburb, there is likely a makerspace to some extent. The Innovation Studio is housed inside of the Research & Technology Park, which is a support organization for the University. We have a number of clients that rent office space and help pay the bills for the Studio. A construction equipment manufacturer used to occupy about 1/2 of the main floor of our building and moved out in 2019, which left behind an interesting opportunity to have a shop space in an office building. University Students pitched the idea of a makerspace to the school in a program called Innovation Challenge and the University thought the RTP would be a perfect host for the makerspace and the former client space was secured. Being that our space is adjacent to campus and not locked in to any specific department, we are able to reach all students from all majors as well as researchers, entrepreneurs and local businesses.

[@VoodooDewey69]

Pretty impressive first-ever CNC made patterns, that really speeds up the whole process. That can literally save months of build labor . The buck stops here .😂

[@mrrberger]

Like most machining work cnc router tables need take account for deflection. Every material finish with a differing tool and material deflection. Always run tests for success. Additionally with buck design for use over extended periods, we integrate wedge notch holes in the mating connections, as the buck weathers and loosens a couple of taps on the installed wedges tightens everything back to rock solid and dimentionally correct.

[@boatboy222]

So we just happened to come by a trillion dollars in funding....😍😍😍😍😍

[@steeltree-fabricatingandcu3796]

Chris you should try a air file/ inline sander To fare in the surface of the buck

After initially planing I went after it with my handheld belt sander for finishing. I didn’t think of the air file. Good idea too👍🏻

[@raulc398]

Great Work!!One question:at 17:36 there is a black and red machine on the table saw to the left,what is it? A vacuum ?Cheers from Toronto Canada! Thanks!!

[@davesauvageau4376]

You got it, that's a Milwaukee back pack vacuum, lovingly called the Proton Pack!

[@pungarehu]

How on earth do you fund a facility like that. Incredible……

[@chrismorrison9140]

By overcharging the students of course.

[@davesauvageau4376]

We are funded by several different sources. We are not the University, we are a support organization for the University, so we do not get any funding from Student Fees. The equipment was purchased using federal grant funds through the Economic Development Administration. The rent of the space is covered in part by tenants in the Research & Technology Park and partly by membership fees. We also have been fortunate to receive donations from individuals and businesses in the area that support our mission.

[@boatboy222]

Damn im jealous.....🙂

[@sailingsvzara]

"Incubator" is the word you were looking for.

[@BrianBoniMakes]

That was really good. You should get your designer to do a video.

[@orlandocarsandcoffee]

EPIC!! Anyone have one on order yet for Orlando?

[@PorscheMonster]

Very informative video and tour of NDSU Innovation Studio. What 3D software was used and shown in the video? Thanks

[@davesauvageau4376]

Chris sent us the PDF files, they were altered slightly in CorelDRAW and imported into Vectric V-Carve Pro for the toolpathing and generating Gcode to send to the CNC Router.

[@davelowinger7056]

It's disneyland for nerds.😊

[@davesauvageau4376]

Absolutely!

[@bigestudios3890]

What an amazing recourse to have access to. Looks great Chris! Is the longer wheel base a tweak for taller drivers, and or improved handling?

[@somenygaard]

7:00 Ben couldn’t wait until after the video?

[@ndsuinnovationstudio9861]

Haha yeah, Ben flew in to figure out a couple issues with the machine so he was short on time and eager to get it fixed. We just have to improvise and press on!

[@niels4153]

Cool video! What is the little screen with the QR code for on the prusa printers? Is it for some kind of print farm / print registration system? Very interested in this.

[@davesauvageau4376]

It’s a system called Fabman! Fabman is a company that offers software and hardware for makerspace management. It serves as our member portal, payment processor, hub for training courses and the Bridges are a bonus. The Bridge is a relay that interrupts power coming into the machine. Users scan the QR code and Fabman knows if they’ve paid their membership fee, if they’re trained on that piece of equipment or if it has been scheduled to be used by another member. If they are approved to use it, they can power the machine on and it tracks how long it was used to apply a surcharge to their account.

[@niels4153]

@@davesauvageau4376 Thank you very much! Looks very cool and useful for managing a Fablab. We run a Fablab in the Netherlands, but the Ultimaker S5's take so long to boot up that they are never actually turned off.

[@butziporsche8646]

Hey Chris, do you ever use Type 4 engines? Also, can you imagine how unusual and cool and aluminum bodied 904 would be?

I either use Porsche 356/912, the Type 1 architecture (all new cases) or Porsche 911-6 cylinder as the power plants. I haven’t used a type 4 yet. I know Jake Raby builds one impressive motor though!

[@cosmiceternal1742]

Could you please do a tutorial on how to create the shape of a car in CAD software? I would love to design one but I'm not sure how to in the software I currently use. It doesn't have to be a Runge specific car just the basic shape and hollowed out version and then how to turn that into bucks for the CNC. This would be great. Love the video and all your content.

[@R.B_B]

Great video series. Do you know in what CAD software the body was design?

[@stevenbrown5695]

I need a 917 buck

[@stevenbrown5695]

Serious, Price

[@chriseckert5309]

Hi Chris, what size of scale model have you found the most useful?

[@markmark5269]

No one is going to ask what the cost was? Ok, I will, what was the cost please?

[@davesauvageau4376]

Mark, we were awarded a grant through the Economic Development Administration for $2M that can be used on equipment only. The grant is a 75/25 match, so we get reimbursed for 75% of the equipment cost. All building modifications such as HVAC, electrical, concrete in the gravel pit, painting, fume extraction, etc. had to be paid for by the NDSU Research & Technology Park. We also have a partnership with Milwaukee Tools and Acme Tools that helped fill in the gaps for small hand tools and specific electric tools.

[@davesauvageau4376]

If someone were to come in and CNC route a buck like this, they would get a 1-Month Membership as well as a surcharge for machine time used. The surcharge covers consumables and machine upkeep. Membership rates fluctuate depending on your circumstances and time commitment.

[@Hertog_von_Berkshire]

Wow, the investment! Who stumps up that kind of cash?

[@lunkydog]

Why not MDF? Assuming it's not going to get wet ever. More consistent in dimension and flatness.

[@prun8893]

Do I have to sign an agreement confirming my Commitment to Diversity and Equity before becoming a member?

[@ShadowScoRpi]

How to make such a model (frame) of a car? This is a parametric model, if not, what is it called?

[@mikeswindell137]

I'm surprised that you used plain plywood for the buck.Was it marine grade baltic birch would have been my first choice due to lack of voids and multiple plys.For a buck using anything but baltic birch is asking for trouble.

[@8ttiknio8]

Why do you still need to plane the buck after its put together? Doesn't it sort of defeat the purpose?

That’s a great question. I wanted my top surfaces of the buck to all lay flush and at the proper angle/flow of the design so I chose to have the latitudinal pieces stand proud of the longitudinals, then plane then down by hand. It took about 30 minutes to do that. We could have had them the other way around where they laid slightly shy but it would have driven me nuts having gaps on the high side of the shapes if that makes sense…

[@8ttiknio8]

@ As a carpenter, I suspect that the method chosen was the best option. Love your work.... my only complaint is, the videos are few and far between!!!

[@peterk2455]

Each part of the buck has squared edges. If you lay a sheet of metal on it flat, no problem. If you try to curve it on that it will follow that edge, forming a ridge, ot crease. If you want smooth curves you have to have smooth transitions, ie bevel the edge.

[@grantm6514]

At 17:19 you see thin black lines on the CAD model representing where the frames intersect the outer skin (and generating the shapes to be cut on the CNC router), but those black lines have no thickness, so they can only represent one face of the plywood. The issue is that the plywood has thickness and the CNC router only cuts perpendicular to the surface of the sheet. Where the body surface slopes down at the ends of the car, the 'uphill' corner of the square-cut edge of the ply is correct, but the 'downhill' corner must be hand-planed off to match the slope.

[@spatchist]

Does anyone know if we have anything like this the UK ?

I have not been there, but I believe Bicester Heritage may offer some of what you see here… or they can direct you to it.

[@spatchist]

@ Thanks, I'll have a look, I'm very impressed that ND (or anywhere) has this kind of facility. I expect the r+d departments of major manufacturers have many of these things, but not all in one place, and certainly not for public access. If you look at 'retropower' videos you'll see they have a lot of in-house capabilities and keep adding to them , but getting access as an individual isn't going to happen, and rightly so. Seems like something the UK could benefit from to encourage the many talented people here . An unexpectedly 'inspirational' video, thanks !

[@ndsuinnovationstudio9861]

@@spatchist Thanks for watching! Having access to extremely esoteric equipment is a huge asset and we can't wait to see how our members utilize it.

[@mattiasarvidsson8522]

you look like a mix between matt damon and jack nicholson

[@kerrykrishna]

You maybe (?) could have used wax on the plywood to get them together? It is not that uncommon a thing to do for tight fitting pieces .

[@paul5683]

Yes, lots of clearance. That isn't a watch that you are trying to make.

[@walkertongdee]

uh, no timeline...

Just got it updated

[@cuttersgoose]

Ok so. I want to know how u go from a shape in your head, to a buck... how do u make the shape from nothing? How does each station change slightly enough to get a curve ,? Do u just guess? How do u do it without a computer program, that the general population doesn’t have?

That’s a great question. I show much of this process in my Buck Building video you can see here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oWraan2Fr9SXldE I will also explain this in an upcoming video! Thanks for watching!

[@cuttersgoose]

@ cool cause i have an idea for a body, but not sure how to lay out the stations and get everyone a little different to get the shape.

[@pawel_woloszyn]

it's a pity that the constructor constructed it poorly, and you have to correct so much by hand