How Profiling Affects Performance

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In this video we take a look at profiling your skates and how it can effect your performance on the ice. When you buy a new pair of skates they come with a factory grind on the steel. It is recommended that you get them profiled before skating in them. The most common profiles are 7 foot 9 foot 11 foot and 13 foot. Most players go with a 9 foot radius.
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[@petergeyer7584]

Been playing hockey in Germany for 5 years, where even asking for a specific hollow is unusual. Came back to the States to buy skates, and the shop asked about both desired hollow and profile before the first sharpening. I almost cried.

[@travyswright]

Man I wish I had this guy at my local shop!

[@metalheadbisp]

i was thinking the same thing

[@vermin1970]

I hear ya, Only one guy here that ever got my profile right, that was the best two years I ever skated. Had to replace the skates recently and the local shop not only can't get my profile right anymore, but they left a corner on them, I had to get a regrind. They ground one with a different angle than the other, another regrind, then they got one crooked, regrind number 3. Since then, I can now skate without taking myself out, but I'm just not comfortable on them, I try to tell them I want to lean forward more, they look at me like I'm from outer space. I have had it with my local shop, ready to airmail my skates to someone that knows what they are doing.

[@MrAsmontero]

Wish there was a local shop

[@koolcat6893]

I wish I had enough money to buy gear and start playing.........

[@user-zj2mb3sp3x]

@@koolcat6893 learn some skills, get a job!

[@hellslayer9638]

thats the reason why i love americans and canadian ... when u ask a person in north america with fairly long expirence . they are so passionate that they know every tiny detail about them even the smallest which other people can't see or even thought about that

[@dynamite6507]

I love when people take their job serious and love their work. I would be asking all these same questions and I'm sure this guy would do this all over again. He is sharing the craft. My man hanz at the shop got me standing right on the ice.....

[@Sincopare]

Glen Sharpley was a Minnesota North Stars first round pick in 1976 and played for the green and gold in the late 70s to early 80s. He played center and was on the team which lost in the 1980 Stanley Cup finals to the New York Islanders. Love ya, Glen - from an old fan!

[@markel4745]

Lmao it’s funny you say he lost to the islanders, I work for them and am trying to learn more on the skates

[@Sincopare]

@@markel4745 I was a young teen and a big fan of the North Stars. After they lost to the Isles, I became a passive fan and still follow them. Proud of my fellow Minnesotans on the team these days!

[@vgullotta]

Man, I wish the guys that sharpened my skates were that knowledgeable lol

[@caribeach2641]

now i wanna get my skates sharpened by this legend

[@courtneyking6015]

caribeach2641 Totally. I'm having skating sharpening envy.

[@ToastAndJellyfish]

I would make a special trip for it, seriously. Especially since I do have something "anatomically wrong" with me and damn, I bet he knows exactly how to compensate.

[@candykanefpv]

He did an amazing job of explaining all of this.

[@jlo2o199]

This guy is so awesome. What a knowledgable and personable guy. What a master of his craft! Man I'd love to help me pick new skates and a rounder profiler on the far ends of my blades.

[@davidrobins4025]

Nice to have someone who knows how to properly profile and sharpen hockey skates.

[@DennisonsThe]

Jeremy, we love your videos! My son started playing hockey this year in Rapid City, SD. He loves the sport, and has utilized your videos to help him progress in the sport. I have used them to educate myself on the details of the sport like this video! THANKS!! Keep up the great WORK!!

[@Maratuch]

I was in vapors for a long time which come factory stamped to a 9 foot. When I switched to supremes they were not the same and I thought I was crazy. Had them done to a 9 foot and haven't had any issues since. Great video! Wish I could use that pro shop seems really thorough.

[@camvapes7349]

I would be in this shop all the time lol

[@couchgamescouchness6066]

Yo your vids are easily the best hockey vids ive ever seen they are great and they dont get boring keep it up 😀😀😀

[@keithmesch3978]

😀😀😀

[@adrianpennino8592]

Played soccer my whole life, only experience playing hockey is some pond hockey growing up but this is absolutely amazing

[@1Three8Fiver]

Love these types of conversations benefiting from wisdom from an older generation passing on knowledge/skills etc.

[@jasons7347]

I only learned this week that 5/8” is my most favorite sharpening ever. I used to always just throw my skates and say I need a sharpening please thank you. Lol now I gotta harass the poor guy about profiling.

[@palacinkasmarmeladou]

I like 5/8 too. It's slower start as it doesn't have as much bite, but it's easier to catch up as it gives you speed as you glide

[@donmadlung3642]

i've sharpened thousands of skates at a 'big box' store and we never did any profiling since we didn't have a jig for it. what we learned we learned at the store. I could do some really nice sharpens at whatever hollow depth you wanted.. but if you go in and ask the guy about profile and he doesn't answer as fast as Glenn here, go somewhere else for your profiling.

[@WmLatin]

Really looking forward to your side-by-side PROFILE COMPARISON ! I have not seen any of the 'hockey' channels explain this important performance factor like you are doing. Bravo!

[@martinkirouac]

You are lucky to have a shop like this. Most shops I go I am actually surprised the guy doesn’t hurt himself pressing the power button on the machine or doesn’t cut himself just handling the skates.

[@zacklenci]

I love your videos and they help me a lot. Just a few weeks ago I had old horrible skates. Now i got new skates and did everything you went over. I do better in my house league games now.

[@nolanharrison798]

Ah, some hockey ASMR! Love the skate sharpening sound!

[@upthegut5332]

This guy is amazing!! He is so thorough and explains all this info so well! Awesome video

[@juliuspusa773]

Thank you for posting these kind of videos. its really fun to watch these and learn new tips and tricks everyday. before this video i did not even know about heat molding or profiling. Ive always just picked the cheap ones that feels good on the leg and get just regular sharpening on them. You deserve more followers for sure best hockey channel for sure. Love your Vids. keep them coming dude!

[@robertwilliamgrant]

Maybe you have a more recent vid on profiling but if not, you should do one on combination profiling... quad or triple... those are really relevant to 2018 and are game changers.

[@Cgny]

I'm about to purchase new skates for the first time ever. Always had used gear as a youth and my first and only pair as an adult. Learning a lot from these vids

[@kpvTX88]

the art of sharpening.. wish I could get mine done from him..

[@AlistairStClair]

Hey Coach Jeremy, did you ever do the video where you tested these different profiles? I can't find it but would be interested to know what difference they made

[@jeffreyjflim]

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[@sfalpha]

Oh This cool info. Now I know why why skate backwards with standard hockey skate profile is a little bit hard.

[@larrywatson499]

I've learned a lot about skate sharpening over the years. It's really a science. My daughter knows right away if I don't go to her regular guy with her profile (and it's goalie skstes). Great video.

[@dfw_motorrad1329]

Hey, that's skate blade profiling. I'm a skate blade and I'm offended.

[@fantastopotomus]

RyanRants nice.

[@datsyuk13a]

RyanRants did you just assume my profile?...

[@robertball2547]

datsyuk13a lol

[@Will-yx2tk]

hahahahahaha

[@lindseymartin7231]

RyanRants deD

[@seplayer]

Wish we had such a qualified hockey craftsmanship in germany.

[@SamClarkschannel]

I don't even have that option where I live lmao and never even knew about this.

[@andersborum9267]

Coming back to this video several years after checking it the first time; we could really use somebody like Glenn in a couple of shops here in Denmark.

[@levigranger5383]

Never would’ve imagined a cross grind. Nice video.

[@treyb387]

Just ordered my DLC blades from Blade Tech Hockey, Quad 1 profile by Prosharp and 3/4 hollow. May go to a shallower hollow in the future. Thanks for all the great videos Jeremy, as it has helped me with my comeback to hockey for the first time in 18 years.

[@Cleanasdirt2182]

I’m in the process of ordering a set of runners from Bladetech. I’m stuck on what profile I should go with. We’re you happy with your profile choice?What type of skater are you? Thanks in advance.

[@timothyburrows9622]

Those Cooper gloves on the wall (1:17) are glorious.

[@TalkTime4]

This is great, I've been using a dual lie profile 10/13 which makes a huge difference, only thing is now I need to drive the 5hours to get my skates sharpened by this legend :P good info bro

[@tonyhawk6017]

How do you fill this profile? Is it batter then single 10 or 9? Is it still manuvreable on the hills?

[@southernlife4me0181]

we don't have anyone in Oklahoma to profile a skate. looks like I will have to take a trip up north. thanks for the videos

[@celticstephenhill]

I never understood how the sharpening wheel was perpendicular to the steel, but they still get "hollowed" out so that the edges of the blade are closer to the ice and the middle of the blade is cut into.

[@jordenhenry2362]

Jeremy have you tried a Quad radius by Prosharp?

[@MrMitchywoo]

LS4 Steel that comes with the 1S is stock 10’ radius but like the guy said in the video, they make these in factories and they have no consistency at all so that’s why you should always have them profiled. I have 1S though and Bauer’s Steel is horrible, I broke it in half within a month so I switched to Black Stepsteel and won’t look back. There’s a profile you can get using Prosharp called Quad Zero where basically they can cut 4 separate radius points on your blade. (Back to front 14-12-9-6) it’s hard to find anyone that knows this style though :/

[@chevyfan34]

Check out skate rescue/no icing sports. They have a bunch of options.

[@martymelchior620]

Glen Sharpley! Great player for the Minnesota North Stars. Had the best flow in 70s hockey.

[@gacowboy8616]

Wow I wish we had someone like that here in Georgia.

[@harukasaigusa8906]

Florida is barebones hocky-wise, never even saw ice near Jesup

[@gacowboy8616]

@@harukasaigusa8906 Luckily we have a rink here, BUT tonget anything done right, have to travel 2 hrs to Atlanta

[@barrygalerno700]

A good video. A few mistakes. At the 3 minute mark Glen is incorrect when stating that the RADIUS (in feet) of profiled steel would make the "same sized circle" (DIAMETER) if placed edge to edge. The "circle" would be DOUBLE in size of the radius that is cut into the steel. For example a 9 foot radius creates an 18 foot DIAMETER circle. A typical goal skate steel has a radius of 28 feet (very flat radius)........that would create a circle with a 56 foot diameter. In profiling steel (runners) for hockey, there are MORE adjustments that can be made by a Skate Tech. The profile.....that was explained. The 'balance point' that was explained.......that mimics the balance of a 'typical' human's foot, leg and torso balance point......when skating. There is also the 'apex'.....or where the Skate Tech can MOVE this 'normal' balance point forward, or rearward in the profiling jig. Then there is the 'pitch', where a Skate Tech can alter the profiling jig for a forward, or rearward 'lean'. Again.....a good video, but there is MORE to profiling than we saw in this video. The steels of Bauer, other skate manufacturers and aftermarket steel like StepSteel are now LASER CUT from plates of steel and come to the customer VERY closely matched. You can stack dozens of steels (of the same type!!!) side by side and they are identical in shape. There is MUCH unnecessary 'profiling' going on out there. I like it when Glen says to "skate on your new steel a few times.....before profiling". He is right on the mark. There is so much incompetence out there. Little knowlege, less experienced persons can RUIN a profile in a couple of heavy handed sharpenings. At my shop the biggest problem I encounter with new customers are 'HIGH SPOTS' along the blade......on each end of the CENTER (working radius) of the steel. Sharpeners PUSH stronger on the toes, CENTER and heels of the steel. A VERY common practice on today's 'table top' machines. Also, uneven edges on many jobs.....as Glen stated.

[@treyhinton2]

This really explained what profiling is thanks

[@nicklamia1456]

Thank you Jeremy! Played college and in the minors and never really understood any of this!

[@BurnellBrownIII]

I love this guy Mr. Glenn. He just seems like a take no shit, straight to the point father figure.

[@waya1056]

Thanks for all the work you do... was wondering if a 10U player would benefit from profiling or do you think he would be too young to realize the difference. He does know when his skates needs sharpening and he feels the difference between 1/2" and 3/8" edge. He also chatters a little on some of his hockey stops. For now he is playing defense and was thinking of bringing him back to 1/2" from 3/8" to see if that helps him out. We have no idea what is profile is, but going to check on his next sharpening.

[@dharmaboy75]

Never knew how this was done. What an excellent vid.

[@hockeykid1712]

I never had brand new skates I got new one yesterday love theses videos

[@TheGilbertsonfamily]

Oh man, I wish we had a shop that could profile. Sending out your steel is the only option for us right now.

[@yalebaker7976]

This dude is basically a machinist!

[@squig808]

9’ Radius is actually 18’ Circle (18’ diameter). @3:05

[@DiamondScuff]

my skate sharpener doesn't even ask me what radius i want when getting my sharpen. kind of frustrating after learning about profile/radius for skates lol.

[@love_tacos]

Hold on champ. 38 year veteran of playing hockey here; Highest level played was juniors. Hailing from Minnesota. Profiling isn't for sharpening. Profiling is a one-time thing that is done typically when you first buy your skates. Profiling is the act of giving a radius to the steel. Imagine a circle that is 9 feet round. Now imagine that 9 foot circle is made of steel. Now take that very outer edge of the circle and cut it up into little pieces of steel that make up the hockey steel in your skate. To imagine how this goes together with the hockey skate boot: Imagine your boot is laying flat in the middle of that circle. Now push the skate to the edge of that 9 foot circle. there you go. that's how the boot and the steel fit together. Now imagine that 9 foot circle...was drawn by a 5 year old. Probably not gonna be very round, is it? Well that's the kind of steel everyone today is now skating on. Profiling, as shown in this video, turns that shitty 9 foot radius into a precision-shaped blade. Your skate steel is now going to be an awesome shape...and sharpening won't change the radius. To put it another way....spin a coin on a table. The edge of the coin touching the tabletop is like the radius of your blade touching the ice. Now about sharpening: look at the skate straight at the toe, like the skate is coming at you. The steel is pretty thin. However, the grind wheel that's sharpening your blade is thinner than that. And a sharpening is cutting into the blade to create an edge on the left and right side of the blade. Those are your inside and outside edges. If you noticed in the video, the profiling grind wheel cut perpendicular to the skate. A sharpening grind wheel cuts in-line with the skate.

[@mark100177]

Have you posted a video for when you tested out different blades with different profiles? Thanks for your videos!

[@Lupus288]

Where is the movie about sharpening ? I saw profiling, baking, but no sharpening...

[@vermin1970]

I’ve been playing hockey for over 30 years. We have one guy up here who recommended a profile when I purchased a pair of Bauer XXX. I did mention I needed to turn sharper. He delivered, that was 10 years of the best skating I ever did, I felt so comfortable on those skates, I could cut hard and build up tons of speed in crossovers. I had a knee injury that took me out for a while. When I came back, my skates were getting old, I decided to buy a new pair. I ended up throwing out the old pair, worse mistake of my life. I won’t even get into the horrible miscuts I got, including a concave curve at one point. I never could skate right on those, I have since purchased a set off Vapor 2X pros. They can’t get those right either. I’m getting so frustrated with this local shop I’m ready to quit hockey. Every night I step on the ice these skates feel foreign and I’ve been on them 3 nights a week for over a year now. I’m tripping I’m every crossover, and straight skating also feels uncomfortable. Feels like I need to lean forward more, but I can’t get them to listen to me, they are kinda taking the attitude that maybe I just suck. Going to buy another set of blades and try again, if anyone has any advice that I can give them feel free to chime in, I’m prepared to try anything at this point.

[@raymonwhite3340]

All I can do is wish you luck. I had a pair of CCM 652 Tacks with the Pump and a shop with a former defenseman at the sharpener. Best skating years of my life. Cracked a Tuuk blocking a puck and when I replaced the Tuuks, got new steel. At that point, my regular sharpener had moved on, and I never could get that forward leaning stance I was so comfortable with profiled again. Not sure if my old steel had a different balance point, radius was wrong or a combo of the two. All I know is that I miss my skates of old. Best of luck.

[@mikeyseney6570]

What would be the steps for goalie skates?

[@jonathanmorciglio4944]

Are you going to make a video that's shows which profile is meant for which type of player?

[@alanharper4910]

This guy is great

[@spelunkerd]

Whenever I buy new skates they feel sooo long, like skis, hard to turn, but very fast and front back stability is great. Then I sharpen three or four times in the month and the rocker is back to my usual profile. Interesting to see how with cross cut profiling, the plane of the skate is at right angles compared to the plane of the grinder.

[@MunkeeKing]

Ooohooo!! I'm from Minnesota!

[@gioa2334]

This was great video. I think I will be doing this to my skates.

[@sebastiangalas8773]

Jeremy wheres the video you said that you would post at the end of this video testing out the 4 radius's side by side?

[@smooothyyy]

Amazing stuff! thanks for explaning the details

[@gamingguy6169]

Thanks for the helpful video, Jeremy

[@cagd89]

Where is the video where you skate the different radius?

[@JasonRoche99]

anyone find this video yet? haha?!

[@jeffreyjflim]

@@JasonRoche99 kzbin.info/www/bejne/apLbnqKjirithc0

[@lukepankratz5190]

i Live in south Eastern Tennessee i wish i had him in the firstplace

[@leighb.1773]

Fantastic video! I’d buy my skates and have them maintained by this guy if I lived in their neck of the woods.

[@NateNakao]

I'd love to do some experimenting like that, but I wear Super Tacks with the Speedblade 4.0 holders, so it'd be a little more challenging than if I had Tuuk holders

[@johnkroll]

i remember getting my skates profiled for a forward lean when i was younger and fell immediately over from the lean hahaha miss playing competitively

[@Raff876614]

There's more to it than this. Pro sharp does combination, progressive and quad profiles which basically gives you the benefits of multiple radii when you're using different parts of the blade.

[@Freechill74]

One downside to playing in the Nashville area is that we have, to my knowledge, 1 or 2 hockey stores and neither provide this service. Well, those stores are more like kiosks.

[@daveturnbull4433]

Could you please do something like this on goal skates and equipment. Please.

[@elrud5964]

Great video! Listen and learn

[@maytmdmrw]

Would this be recommended on figure skates?

[@AV1461]

So, the continuation of that scene never got published? I'd like to see the sharpening process too.

[@LyricRichardson_JTLR]

this was incredibly helpful.

[@MichaelJones-qf3qt]

Would weight be an contributing factor on what blade you should be getting?

[@mouth195]

For clarity, a blade profiled with a 9 ft radius has the arc of a circle with a 9ft radius, but the actual size of that circle, or diameter, is 18ft.

[@tonyhawk6017]

Thank you, cap!

[@jeffreyadams207]

Had play it again sharpen a pair one time I almost killed myself stopping

[@danielpickettjr2203]

Isn't the forward and backward lean also called rocking if I'm not mistaken? I always was more partial towards the forward rocking, pretty sure was the only one on the team to have it growing up. Started 1999 didn't get the skate rocking till u10s I think? Changed my whole defensive game for sure and for the better

[@CathieZimmerman]

Wish I could get someone to sharpen my blades like that. I play sled hockey and it’s so hard to find a shop that knows what they are doing with my steel!!

[@TheDp1965]

This is awesome info. Thanks for sharing. Cheers

[@symo89]

Love the vids, but wheres the blade comparison video

[@jeffreyadams207]

I only have one guy sharpen my blades,,he was a stand out local HS player went on to college and eventually played minor league hockey he understands profiling, oh forgot to mention, he owns his own pro shop

[@boscocheung1782]

please do a review of after market steel like step steel and others

[@stevewright201]

thanks for the great info ,its hard to find a good skate sharpener where I live. cheers got the radius so will make my own pattern and do them myself

[@camz3713]

Cool content for a series!

[@johnprice5457]

Love your channel man!!

[@chinarello2928]

So new skate blades are just stamped steel, but still he is saying you should start with regular sharpening and try the factory profiling first? Makes sense to start from somewhere before removing lot of steel, but wouldn't that leave the factory defects and irregularities in place? How about level thing. Is that caused by regular blade wear or are there other reasons?

[@GM-uc3os]

Awesome video Jeremy!

[@evanxmc]

Was there a follow up video that tested out the blades?

[@andrewm4951]

From when i was 16 on to 30 i used the same pair of skates. I wouldnt let them go, when the blade was gone completely i decided to buy a new really good pair. I put my new skates on and could turn on a dime. But went from being the fastest on the ice to the slowest! I was like wtf! I then brought them back to my buddy that ownes the shop i bought them from and was like these skates are shit! He told me to bring my old skates to check the profile. I went from 11.5 to a 7.5 on the new skates. Needless to say. We matched the blades profile and wala. Before that as a kid. It messed up my skating every time i got new skates. Thank the lord i figured this out cause now my kids dont have to go thru what i did always learning new technique playing travel as a kid! I wish we had jermeys videos in the 90s lol.

[@halenkovacs4607]

I want this dude to sharpen my skates so bad now

[@tylercouto3644]

What about the hollow? How does that affect skating?

[@franknbeans7745]

My ride out side of blade feels pushed up while inside feels down

[@colinviray4833]

i thought he was going to adjust the balance point? Did he? How is that done?

[@edwindude9893]

If you took some Bauer supreme one.6 entry level skates to 1988 what would players make of them ???

[@007jimbo]

This is cool ! did you ever make the video where you test the 4 different profiles on ice ?

[@CoachJeremy]

I just shot it, I'll be uploading it soon