Coal Ship Rundown, December 2023 - It's a Ship Show! - World of Warships - Clyde Plays LIVE E100

Here is the latest in our Ship Show series! This long-form podcast conversation features Skada and myself discussing every single coal ship above Tier 7. Use the bookmarks!
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// BOOKMARKS
0:00:00 Intro
0:01:25 Coal Ship Metrics
0:04:45 Coupons for coal ships?
0:08:52 Using Steel for coal ships?
0:13:34 The new Steel Episode is Coming Soon!
0:15:16 USS Black, T9 USA DD
0:21:30 Neustrashimy, T9 Soviet DD
0:31:02 Groningen, T9 Dutch DD
0:36:56 Agir, T9 German CA
0:43:16 Azuma, T9 Japanese CA
0:51:36 Iwami, T9 Japanese BB
0:59:02 Kearsarge, T9 USA BB
1:06:52 Tulsa, T9 USA CA
1:11:47 Carnot, T9 French CA
1:18:56 Marco Polo, T9 Italian BB
1:27:25 Z-44, T9 German DD
1:34:56 Pommern, T9 Pommern BB
1:41:00 Clyde and Skada's Top 3 Tier 9 Picks
1:47:33 Salem, T10 USA CA
1:54:35 Hayate, T10, Japanese DD
2:03:35 Tromp, T10 Dutch DD
2:12:00 Alvaro de Bazan, T10 Spanish DD
2:20:53 Marceau, T10 French DD
2:27:30 Forrest Sherman, T10 USA DD
2:33:09 Yoshino, T10 Japanese CA
2:34:13 Moskva, T10 Soviet CA
2:38:55 Khabarovsk, T10 Soviet DD
2:46:46 Kurfurst, T10 German BB
2:51:35 Imelmann, T10 German CV
2:54:08 Malta, T10 British CV
2:58:42 Brisbane, T10 Commonwealth CL
3:05:55 Napoli, T10 Italian CA
3:11:22 U-4501, T10 German SS and General Submarine Talk
3:21:02 Clyde and Skada's Top 3 Tier 10 Picks
03:25:00 Outro and Thanks for watching!
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[@stuffandwhatnot4401]

Total cost: 7,390,000 - almost enough for the Kitakami.

[@Choukai_Chan]

Sadly yes.

[@zlpatriot11]

Interesting observation my dude. Any thoughts Kitakami is going to be for coal in the near future?

[@MuxMaxmou]

@@zlpatriot11 Kita won't be available for 2 years after the event ended.

[@ClydePlays]

🤣 This one got me, well done.

[@aresonantsoul6668]

I so much love these type of videos, thank you so much for keeping the knowledge fresh

[@ClydePlays]

Glad you enjoy them! We'll be doing the steel ship video soon! In fact, I set up the stream artwork today.

[@TobelMann]

It’s so chilled to listen to those guys just discussing those ships from a down to earth perspective.

[@user-oe9di6mg2v]

what a ship show!! it was the ship .... absolutely luv it... keep it up guys

[@ClydePlays]

Thanks! Glad you liked the show!

[@FullMetalYankee]

Always like me a good ship show.

[@ClydePlays]

Thanks Yankee. I think this one came out okay!

[@GulNadar]

I will agree that playing subs in Asymmetric battles is a great way to build basic skills. With so many extra ships you have to have a plan for how to get out or you just die. In that way, it trains you for randoms because once a sub is spotted I expect that flank to crash down its ASW. Also, the experience numbers from Asymmetrics were off the charts for me. As an olive branch to the BBs, subs are really good to pair with on the map. You go about the same speeds, the BB keeps the CVs away from the sub and the sub can handle DDs trying to creep up for a highlight reel. Playing with DDs, I usually shoot with DD torpedo spreads with adding my homing torpedos to the flanks of the spread. Then it's possibly ping to cause decisions. Get rid of the ping or hope your torpedo beats are on fire and get rid of flooding. It makes a bad situation nasty.

[@ushankawarships]

These always feel like podcasts, love it!

[@ClydePlays]

That's basically what they turn into, haha, glad you enjoy them.

[@shane8144]

Guys - Really enjoy these shows, even though I'm not really playing much these days. BTW - got to see the the USS Salem parked near Boston. Neat to see these ships in real life and highly recommend. Thanks PNW friends!

[@ClydePlays]

Museum ships are so fun to visit. Thanks for the watch!

[@thomaskusk7362]

I did use steel to get the last amount of coal I needed once, it was for musashi right before she was getting removed and I didn't have the fxp at the time. I don't regret it :)

[@ClydePlays]

See? Now that's a good use of steel for a coal ship. Thanks for watching.

[@atpyro7920]

If I had to tell new players which coal ship to get first, I would probably tell them to pick up something like October Revolution, Kirov, Lazo, Flint, or Hill. Each of those are good starters for what kind of ship they are, and only one (two ig) have a real 'gimmick' to it (Lazo with the spotter, Flint with smoke, sort of, since Jinan line exists now). Maybe OR can be a noob trap, but Kirov and Hill are still excellent trainers for cruisers and DDs, and I would caution newer players against going straight for high tier ships. For more experienced players (i.e. have ground to T10 at least once, probably have around 1000 battles), I would highly recommend Napoli, Black, Neustra, Moskva, Salem, Napoli and Marceau for competitive modes, Yoshino, Brisbane, Sherman, Agir (Agir can work in both comp and randoms, it's just a bit of a playstyle difference), Tulsa, Polo, and Pommern for fun/moneymaking. Ultimately however it's down to them to spend their coal wisely.

[@ClydePlays]

Good list of suggestions there. My first coal ship on my EU account was Lazo. Good little ship, fits my play style and was nice to earn credits and train commanders. That list of tens is good too, most folks wouldn't go wrong choosing those, tbh. The order of purchase is personal preference really. Thanks for watching!

[@Brezzanater]

Russia buffed Hiyate with giving both options of smoke and reload booster. Would make it way better if we got it on the main servers. Love your work Clyde. Again you deserve a lot more subs for the work you do sir

[@ClydePlays]

Thanks Brezz. I saw those buffs to MK. Hopefully she makes the list of ships to buff in WOWS some day.

[@gorazdnovsak3705]

T9 Kersarge, Azuma, Neustra. T10 Moskva, Marceau, Brisbane. But you can take Napoli too... There is only one BB.

[@ClydePlays]

Yeah that's a strong list of ships. Thanks for watching Gorazd. 👈😎👈

[@smilingpolitely12345]

I have majority of ships in Armory for coal , and if I start from 0 , my first pick would be Brisbane , she is great tool for making WG missions .

[@Choukai_Chan]

Moskva for me here. Played that ship toooo much in comp, CB and Kots. I just love her.

[@smilingpolitely12345]

@@Choukai_Chan Honestly I never spend coal on Moskva , I earned her & GK before those two become coal ships , my first ever coal ship was Salem , but I dont play them at all , I am at the point I have pefected my efficiency in wows , and Moskva is not my first choice for any WG tasks , Salem was for long time , then I got Colbert and she replaced her , now I have Brisbane as my main "do it quick" tool , she can do what ever Moskva can but quicker + have torps , I have 80 T10 but since asimetric battles are on I play 3 ships GK+leg mod , Macklenburg & Pommren wirh 21p Lutjens , I complete 37kxp = 3 crates &BP in 4 battles = less that 1h ... I guess wows is my job , but you have fun on what ever least efficieve ship you like ;)

[@theredeyedjedi701]

​@AdamMarcinkowski-ys8dk i have about 100 ships and still haven't figured out which is the best moneymaker since econ change. So whatcha got for me?

[@ClydePlays]

Yeah, Brisbane does a lot of things that help you with many of WGs missions. She's a decent pick too, provided you like light cruiser play like I do.

[@ClydePlays]

Moskva is great. The best part about this game is you don't hafta pick just one. 🙂

[@Apollyon-er4ut]

When I was first playing. Georgia and Thunderer (both coal) were going away, I used the coupon for one and had to use all my steel to finish out what was lacking. No regrets because circumstances, but not once since. Good vid.

[@ClydePlays]

Yeah that's a good scheme given the circumstances. Two good ships too.

[@dalenielsen8651]

With Thunderer on it's way out, it was clear to me that it was too desirable and important a ship to let slip past. I did the same as you... I used some steel so I could grab it in time. I also agree with these two players that sometimes, just in general, it might be sensible to supplement coal with steel. For one thing, more interesting ships have been released for coal in the past year, and the steel ships had been getting a bit long in the tooth.

[@denizozsakarya3378]

Wish I had a chance to get thunderer as coal ship. I don't want to spend my coal for kürfurst

[@borysbolo5799]

On my birthday, WoWs dropped out of Black from my containers, and now on Wednesday, Black Friday dropped out of Black B from my containers.🤣🤣🤣

[@ClydePlays]

Amazing! Thanks for watching our little chat.

[@skadahurte]

"Last time we did this it was a 4 hour stream" how did we still do 3.5 hours and not do anything below 9s? Yikes. I swear we need to do an onscreen timer and each get a minute per ship!

[@ClydePlays]

What did we cover, 25-ish ships? Even at only four minutes per ship you get a one hour forty minute video haha. This is the nature of is this show.

[@amansingh-ls1sq]

Thank you for the knowledge

[@morsanabargor3860]

I have all of them. That was... so much coal...

[@ClydePlays]

Yes. Yes it was. Thanks for watching!

[@crazykev5]

You guys talked about it loosely. Idk if you have a stand-alone video. For credit farming first coal ship. Carnot, argar, pommern, azuma... Maybe save for the black so i could also play ranked. What are your thoughts? Im playing the french cruiser, russian crusier and german secondary battleships. I kind of gave up on the French because it doesnt have radar...

[@ClydePlays]

Pretty much any tier nine premium has good credit earnings. Honestly the best one to get is the one that you'll enjoy to play the most - which comes down to personal preference. For me, from the list you gave I personally would like the Black the most but that's just because I like DDs. Pommern is probably the most popular of the others. Whatever you get, let me know how you like it!

[@10469]

I’m currently at 517 ships. And more to go still.

[@ClydePlays]

Go go go!

[@JustCheg]

Neustrashimi or Dauntless (that's the meaning of it), is a hidden gem. I started playing it for fun and it became my favorite ship in t9 ranked, I now feel weak if I am not in this ship... 4501, which I recently got and played has one of the best things on a submarine in-game, and that is 38kn underwater speed. Now the real reason this is too good in my opinion is because you can freely PING and run and no ASW will hit you. In my first game I had 200k damage almost and was not hit by a single ASW the entire game...

[@aRchAng3lZz]

how have you specced it? I love it as well but still switching between builds (torp or gun focus).

[@JustCheg]

I believe this is a Neustrashimy question (I've edited my post). I play it as a torpedo spec but I am not afraid to use my guns :) @@aRchAng3lZz

[@ClydePlays]

Yeah that's good I run mine too - I tend to stay more hidden than not, but use the gonna freely.

[@OldThomMerton]

Okay, I now have the coal to purchase a large cruiser. Yes, I've decided upon a larger cruiser, basically Agir, Azuma, Carnot or Yoshino. Why? I am looking for something that can be used like an Alaska (which is unavailable and I was stupid and didn't buy a Alaska B!) Thoughts? Which one gives me psuedo-Alaska?!

[@ClydePlays]

Honestly, none of those cruisers really plays like Alaska, sadly - and none have it's strong American radar. Agir has some of its tankiness, but lacks the punch and reliability of AKs main guns. Azuma/Yoshino aren't as tanky, they're a bit more accurate (IIRC) and can play at greater range. They don't have radar and can't bow tank like AK. Carnot likes to be mobile, which isn't very Alaska-y either. Strangely, the T8 Congress is the closest available ship to Alaska, but at the wrong tier and it costs money. Agir might be the closest, but I wouldn't consider it an Alaska alternative. It's just a different ship.

[@OldThomMerton]

@@ClydePlays Oddly, I got the Congress out of a set of 4 festive packages back in December. She is better than some of the hate she gets, and player her has got me thinking of an Alaska again . . . . . . thanx, Clyde. You echo my thoughts, but I was hoping I was missing something. I'll keep thinking and comparing and (cough, cough) do another, more inclusive spreadsheet. I don't need to spend that coal today. I am leaning Tier IX for it's better economics, but a punchy, survivable large cruiser at Tier X is a possibility.

[@OldThomMerton]

One more question . . . any word on any upcoming additions of new coal ships soon? I would love to wait until they added a few more ships that might be more compelling to me.@@ClydePlays

[@muhamdd.527]

I was watching it with subtitles and when it came to the submarine u4501 part, the subtitles did not come yet, can you explain it for me in a few sentences? Is u4501 worth buying? What are the bad and good aspects? THANKS 😇

[@ClydePlays]

Hey! I'll try to give a quick summary. - Very fast when submerged! - Hull repair! (Only usable in the surface) - two torp launchers to the rear and one to the front - kinda weird - pretty stealthy when surfaces, if I remember right I find 4501 different to play than most subs. I don't have the tier ten tech tree subs yet though. She's probably worth it if you like unique ships and subs. Hope this helps!

[@muhamdd.527]

thanks ❤❤

[@ClydePlays]

You got it@@muhamdd.527 !

[@OldThomMerton]

Looking at a Tier IX myself . . . really tough because there are some good choices hmmmm but for me no standout. Agir is an obvious pick for me, but the Carnot is starting to peak my interest. Iwami is on my list, but the acquisition of a Bajie out of the Level 20 Battle Pass packages kinda makes Iwami hmmmmmmm a bit less interesting. I never thought I'd say this, but, Kearsarge is now interesting to me; NC guns and rocket planes hmmmmmmmm . . . Thanks, guys, these types of videos are a must for new players (6 months) and the two points-of-view helps a ton.

[@ClydePlays]

Glad you enjoyed the video. Good luck with your choice!

[@OldThomMerton]

@@ClydePlaysI will say that I wish Wargaming would give us a half-a-dozen or more choice Tier 8s and a few more Tier 7s. That gap can be frustrating for noobs who do not want to run for the Tier X monsters and work up the tiers to gain skills and experience.

[@TobelMann]

After watching those RB/Steel/Coal ship shows for a second time, I am wondering if we will ever get a tech tree ship show. I would love it!

[@ClydePlays]

I've been planning on this for a while, maybe sometime soon!

[@TobelMann]

Thought that might be too much effort, but great you guys are planning it! Will definitely watch it as soon as you upload it mate. 👍🏻

[@ClydePlays]

It'll take some time - but its totally doable.

[@anthrax2413]

Azuma was one of the best choice for FXP for newer players. It is by far one of the best credit farmers in the entire game.

[@ClydePlays]

She certainly gets it done. Thanks for watching and commenting. I like Azuma more now than before I spent time playing her recently.

[@Synexcu]

I thought ship by FXP is no longer a thing??

[@anthrax2413]

@@Synexcu Was. She is no longer available for FXP. After the old Missouri, she was the best credit farmer in the game. Especially for 1M fxp

[@ClydePlays]

@@SynexcuYou are correct - though Azuma was formerly available for FXP, which is what Anthrax is referring too, I believe. Today she can be obtained for coal.

[@williamwiese9963]

I have Immelman, Tromp, Malta. Next one for me I would like to have their 10 German sub. Great video

[@waynelawrence5220]

IMO Tulsa is not a bad ship, but the big downside is the six guns. If it had been released as a 8 gun ship [2 twin forward and 2 twins aft] it would play more like a T9 cruiser and be much more comfortable to play. Six gun 203mm at T9 is not good enough.

[@ClydePlays]

Yeah that would be much better. I like Tulsa, but she struggles to compare to other strong T9 cruisers. She's not bad for free thankfully.

[@skadahurte]

Yeah, 6 gun BBs and Cruisers don't do much for me.

[@annuvynarawn392]

Malta is a nice carrier for cv players that know how bad the Tier VIII and Tier X Royal Navy cv's are. So it is great for ranked, random and events. I play a mix of lines in any case but the Malta definitely filled a hole.

[@ClydePlays]

Malta be strong! She had a couple of adjustments announced today (one buff, one nerf): blog.worldofwarships.com/blog/507

[@teamnevalus6363]

What is more worth to spend coal between Moskva and salem?

[@ClydePlays]

Both are good ships with differing play styles. For randoms and ranked, Salem is probably more fun - for clan battles, you'll find Moskva to be reliable. Might be worth looking for reviews or gameplay videos on these two ships to see if they suit your play style.

[@TXLawman1981]

11:51 I used steel to get Thunderer before it was pulled.

[@ClydePlays]

Smart move, TBH.

[@pratiknath1712]

When was thunderer pulled from the store ?

[@ClydePlays]

Thunderer was pulled in patch 10.1 (Feb 17, 2021): wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Update_0.10.1

[@7w4Term3lon]

to me the IX black is a copy paste of the VII Flint and weent from a cruiser to a dd. if you check there main stats they are identical. the Black only sits a little lower. but for the most part its a flint im not complaining very fun ship to play. unless you run into a somme or a gdanks. when i used help make the skins of the ships for some modders instead of paying me they would gift me ships . so that i had a shifp to to make the the skin for .

[@chiefbrody7506]

Soooo.... ... how does Scott feel about Khaba...?? LOL

[@ClydePlays]

So......he's uh.....not a fan......poor Skada is missing out, I say. 🤣

[@OldThomMerton]

Okay, still haven't pulled the trigger yet. I am a light cruiser guy at heart but have been worrying that higher Tiers made it difficult for CLs to survive . . . . . . and then I picked up the Harbin a few days back (Harbin?! BOO!). Harbin has re-awakened the joy that I feel when I throw around a run-and-gun CL (Colonel Bolognesi, Ignacio Allende, Rahmat, Abruzzi). Sooooo, Brisbane, hmmmmmmmmmmm. I think my Harbin build would be perfect for Brisbane hmmmm. So, what are the differences between Tier IX and X when it comes to EC accumulation? I hear (from you and others) that Tier IX is best and Tier X is costly but I cannot find a WoWs page or a chart to show me numbers (i likey da stats). Any info would be appreciated, as I don't need another EC sump . . . I am grinding towards either Cherbourg or Charles Martel as my next standard ship, and that's gonna cost me!

[@ClydePlays]

EC is earning credits? Yeah there isn't a WOWS page that explains the credit earnings, sadly. That seems to be a secret WG keeps, though they do tell us that T9 ships have enhanced credit earnings - others have (probably?) done studies on this, but I never have. Brisbane is fun if you like light cruisers.... She does have nice torps and good DPM kind of like the Pan Asian ships, but remember! No smokes! Good luck with whatever you choose. Edit: here is the page on service costs for the ships by tier, but IIRC it doesn't cover ship earnings, just costs: wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:The_Economics_of_Battle

[@OldThomMerton]

That page has more information than I have been able to find . . . that one chart helps a ton.@@ClydePlays Hmmmm I'll do a few tests in the Harbin and then in the Encounter and review the numbers after battle . . . that'll show me something. Thanx, Clyde!

[@devilhunter9345]

6 years to get every coal there is in the game

[@ClydePlays]

Truly a hero's journey. 😅. I think you beat me, took me at least seven years.

[@prisonerofthehighway1059]

As far as steel used for coal, be honest with yourself about how you play the game. If you never play clan or ranked and you don’t get the premium battle pass then your steel income is very low. Use your steel to get coal ships in that case. It’s a net gain for you. The coupon is the same way. Be honest with yourself about how you play the game. If you’re not gonna have enough steel to buy a ship in the next 6 months, use the coupon for a coal boat.

[@ClydePlays]

This is pretty solid advice.

[@jross985]

verbal diarrhea - 3 1/2 hours to add 2 ships to last update

[@zestful713]

People like to use these videos as a what to get, I appreciated it

[@ClydePlays]

It's all good. I make, like four types of videos: news updates, hot takes (ship reviews), deep dives, and long-ass rambly podcast-style discussions (ship show or fireside chats). They don't all speak to all viewers. Some people want to get fast information - if that is your goal this is probably the wrong video, though it is fully bookmarked so you can skip around as desired, heh. This video is for someone who wants to listen to a couple of yokels talk through ships for hours. Probably while you do another task and only sort of pay attention. It's a podcast. From my metrics, these videos are pretty popular (at least on the scale is my small channel). While most people watch the whole thing - a lot of people use the bookmarks to get what they want and get out. I'm cool with any of these ways of watching because I'm just trying to help people with whatever they need. If this video doesn't work for someone, that's okay! There are plenty of other vids on my channel and elsewhere on KZbin that'll serve them better.

[@Fusako8]

Oddly enough, Clyde put in chapters. So you could simply have looked at the chapter list and gone "Oh, I'll jump to these sections and ignore Clyde being talky talky"