All American Triple Loop Review | The Painfully Rough New for 2024 Coaster at Indiana Beach

New for 2024 is a massive Schwarzkopf multi looper relocated from Mexico City after a horrible accident. The ride was refurbished and given new trains, opening 3 years later than planned. Despite Indiana Beach's best efforts, the ride is still not in great shape, and that became very apparent very fast. Let's dive into the problems with All American Triple Loop and what would make it better.
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[@CoasterStudios]

An exciting update from Indiana Beach! They recently announced the removal of the rides uncomfortable over the shoulder harnesses, which were one of the major problems with the coaster! this is a big step in the right direction and we're thrilled Indiana Beach heard all of our criticisms and decided to do something about it!

[@jacksonseyl5255]

That's great news

[@barbaraschultz4463]

My son is one of the ride operators in this video! People are Very happy about this change and today they had different seats as well!!!

[@ericstone8343]

I rode it yesterday. No shoulder restraints. Not my favorite ride, but honestly was fine. Maybe even good. Helps when my expectations were so low after seeing so many reviews like this one.

[@TheJustgetitdone330]

I just rode this at Hops and Coaster Drops (which is an event I highly recommend you guys experience) and although I never experienced it with the OSTR's, I can absolutely say that it is a fun coaster! It's not breaking into my top 50, but it is absolutely re-rideable now. I was expecting a one and done and came away with a smile on my face after a fun ride wanting to go again.

[@jacoba1429]

​​@@ericstone8343 I also rode this ride this season. So what is in place of the shoulder harness? Is it something new? 🤔 How do you stay in the darn thing

[@BillehBawb]

its almost comical that this coaster had an infamous deadly accident on it, and then when choosing new trains for it of course they decided to take them from mindbender, which ALSO had one of the most infamous deadly coaster accidents of all time

[@wdgaminganddisneyhistory6024]

This ain't the Circle of Life, its the Circle of DEATH lol

[@JonnyParker-]

Who wants to ride the coaster with the remnants of death? It should not be a thing .

[@edbrown2998]

I guess Double Death Triple Loop would have been a slightly insensitive name

[@C0astinG4mer]

Both of them similarly derailed as well. What a coincidence!

[@SuperSuperPork]

this is an L comment. . . the Mindbender trains used now are not even close to those in the accident. . They are all now lead cars. . . The overhead restraints are a result of this as well and the main complaint. . .

[@generic_username_here1]

This makes me so sad because I want nothing more than to see Indiana Beach prosper. I’m always rooting for smaller parks

[@CoasterStudios]

100% agree. I was so optimistic for this ride and love supporting places like Indiana Beach. I even attended the grand reopening day after we all thought it was closing down! So it's a real bummer the ride isn't what we hoped

[@davegriffin5988]

Isn't there a chance after retracking the ride will still be better

[@fncz]

@@davegriffin5988 sure.

[@DJWezzyK]

Gerstlauer is actively involved in patching up Olympia Looping (Magnetic brakes, new ride software and PLC etc.), Alpina Bahn (New Trains, new set of brakes, new PLC and more) and Hollenblitz (Currently being worked on by Gerstlauer since it has been shut down by the safety regulator for reasons unknown). Why didn't they go with that option?

[@Funfair2304]

Höllenblitz is already standing on the terrain of Crange/Herne, it's being built up and part of the track is already installed.

[@0z3r0]

They also refurbished Psyke Underground at Walibi Belgium. And it got a new gerstlauer train with just lapbars.

[@patrickstrahm05]

​@@0z3r0That was Premier Rides actually

[@0z3r0]

@@patrickstrahm05 Pretty sure it was Gerstlauer

[@DLXRY2]

Because Gerstlauer is expensive and Indiana Beach is broke.

The fact that they made a Schwarzkopf rough is outstanding...

[@Funfair2304]

Indiana Beach didn't do that, it was standing all day in the scorching hot mexico sun, with the track and supports being under more stress due to the ride being ran faster than normal, for years. That's gonna take a toll on any ride. Similar thing happened to Thriller/Texas Tornado when it ran in Six Flags decades ago.

[@benbreeck3363]

Looks like they are going to need to give it a thorough retrack during the off-season if they don't plan too make it a one year wonder. Why didn't they test it with vibration dummies before opening it up to the public?

[@crazycreeper399]

They also need new trains with vests. Costume trains but it would be a big upgrade

[@-E42-]

I rode Thriller the week it opened in 1986 and a strange feeling in my neck for a week. Not all Schwarzkopf rides are smooth or "healthy" - they were always part of an aggressive fair circuit market that was prone to an unhealthy logic of "outbidding". Look at today's flat rides- they seem like pure "torture" to me. But the original triple loop was kind of a sweet spot - super thrilling and thoroughly enjoyable. Too bad they could not rescue it!

[@stellaVista]

@@-E42- I rode Dreier Loop in its opening year in 1984 (Oktoberfest) and Thriller in 86 (Cranger Kirmes). Dreier was totall smooth with only a lapbar. The first drop was AMAZING! Thriller was a real beast though! I came off it and thought I had just been recruited for a NASA training program. In it´s first year they had just a lap-bar and a leather strip (like you sometimes find on Dodgem cars). But the ride attendents didn´t even advise you to wear it. The real problem with Thriller was the final loop, which was some strange loop/corkscrew hybrid. Your body would just SLAM sideways. They reprofiled this several times and then retrofitted those nasty accordeon restraints. I really think they should try to get therir hands on a regular Schwarzkopf train with shared axels. These coasters are designed to run 5-7 car trains and not those 3-front-car-trains. They have totally different dynamics! I would usually say: get rid of the shoulder bars, but seeing the footage here, I guess it would be quite dangerous if there was just a lapbar. What a mess!

[@SportsKing2000]

I'm from Chicago and I drove 2 1/2 hours to get here for nothing. Well, actually, I got a neck pain from this restraints. Taylor and Sarah, thank you for riding coasters for us so we don't have to experience the pain.

[@stingray1irwin0]

So they took one coaster that killed people, and decided to "upgrade" it with trains from a ride that also killed people?!

[@showbizrailproductions]

Basically, but theres one problem. Mindbender had different trains at the time of its accident, and changed trains shortly after, and All American Triple Loop's trains were Mindbenders redesigned trains, the original Mindbender trains had 4 cars (the very last one was reversed) but after the accident in 86, it had 3 cars with a redesign, and those are the same trains in Indiana Beach today. Kinda weirded out though..

[@jozefcyran2589]

Triple loop double death coaster

[@TheJustgetitdone330]

The deaths in Mexico were a direct result of the park making modifications to the ride outside of the operating parameters of the design....so......yeah, big difference.

[@rct2nerd]

I'm surprised that they didn't contact Gerstlauer to make new trains for them. They have build trains for Sooperdooperlooper, but I imagine it would be more challenging to construct because All American Triple Loop is more intense.

[@busfan9874]

I love sooperdooperlooper's trains

[@fncz]

@@rct2nerd again IB does not have endless cash!

[@FreizeitparkSquad]

No I dont think so. They also made trains for Alpina Bahn, those has no Loopings but it is nearly the same size

[@robfassi3297]

They probably don’t have the money

[@homeboy_roy1570]

That all front cars train is fuckin cursed man

[@iitzfizz]

I rode this ride back in the early 2000's when it was Magnum Force at Flamingo Land here in the UK

[@thecoasterauthority]

How was it??

[@Jondoe18702]

Me too but maybe a few years before, don’t recall much about it, don’t remember it being particularly rough, was rubbish compared to nemesis was my only memory and we much preferred the boomerang they had. Wasn’t a coaster enthusiast back then just a kid

[@Jondoe18702]

This was in a similar era to peak lightwater valley and we’d not realise we were marathoning the ultimate, which was a fun and we had no idea how unique it was

[@Jondoe18702]

Second drop into the Forest was good

[@Hyperbolic_G]

Cool... why comment that and not leave any insight? The fact that you rode it but don't remember anything is honestly a waste of letters for us

[@TsunamiCoaster]

Any Schwarzkopf train with lap bars is much better than a train with restraints. Triple Loop did not need the restraints, especially now that train speed is properly controlled.

[@coastermania17]

It sounds like of the things you mentioned, getting rid of the shoulder restraints should be the first thing they try. It seems like it would be the easiest modification to make and even if it remains rough on the track, that would solve a good amount of the discomfort, but I haven't ridden it, so I can't say that with certainty

[@HeatherC1212]

This might be the first time I've ever seen a new roller coaster open up at a park not too far from me and yet I have ZERO interest in riding it thanks to the honest opinions from you and everyone else who was with you during your Indiana Beach trip. I hope they fix it somehow! =(

[@masoncarlile125]

What sorcery is this...?

[@HumanStateOfEmergency]

You need the credit sir.

[@OffTheRailsPodcast]

I rode it once to say I did it. Also, the allure of it's deadly past was very adrenaline pumping

[@OklahomaCoasterFan]

same here. I'll be in the area in a couple weeks, but I now have no interest at all in riding this. I will gladly not get that coaster credit, and I have never said that before. I'm always up for at least one ride to get the credit, but not with this one. The rest of the park is awesome though.

[@abedgabriel-ei8rg]

Hey coaster studios,I’ve been watching your videos for a while and I gotta say your a big role model,when I get money I’m gonna buy a camera to film roller coasters and be like you,thank you for your great content 😊❤

[@g42_16]

i was at indiana beach for a day and an employee said they didnt open triple until noon-ish, so as soon as noon hit my sister and i went over to triple loop, like two people were in line. we just missed the first rotation so we waited in line. after only one go, the ride ops closed the coaster because of technical issues and said it would probably be about 20 min. we checked back every 30 ish min and the ride was closed literally all day :^

[@GregPeden]

I lived in Alberta and rode Mindbender many times... the operations there were horrendous mostly because of how much time and brute force effort it took to prepare the restraints. Operators rightfully became tired having to wrestle them all day so they moved very slowly. Before it closed they'd be lucky to get 10 trains out in an hour. The restraints are over-designed because of Mindbender's accident in the 1980's. Those are not the original trains - in order to reassure the public new trains were provided with those triple restraints which included the addition of those horrible shoulder restraints. You'll also notice that the trains have double redundant wheel assemblies (each car has 4 sets by itself). This was done because the accident was caused by a wheel assembly falling off (which seems to be a common thing with Schwarzkopf). This made the cars longer and heavier, so the trains were reduced by one car to accommodate the changes.

[@YPOC]

Oh that's why the train consists of 3 front cars...

[@jumpydashgd4699]

it's strange to me the added those redundant restraints since the accident had nothing to do with a restraint failure

[@supremefan]

@@jumpydashgd4699 Someone else said those were added so people couldn't raise their hands due to the sign they installed in the middle of one of the loops. So basically it's not needed at all, the manufacturer didn't add it.

[@showbizrailproductions]

Adding to that statement, Mindbender's last car pre accident in 86 was reversed so riders can have a more challenged experience, they honestly should've somehow got Mindbender out instead of AATL.

[@coastersnthings]

This is a coaster, that when looking at it, should be a top 3 coaster in the park that it's at. Then you ride it, and you realize it's the roughest ride in the park...

[@djs2356]

I was there yesterday (September 14, 2024) the over-the-shoulder restraints are 100% gone. Now it's an intense, but fun, and not painful ride.

[@Abowers1999]

Bulldoze triple loop, sell the ride’s steel to RMC, turn it into raptor track, and rebuild said raptor in Triple Loop’s plot of land

[@Pretparkfan]

How is this reaction 4 days ago?

[@maxhagenauer24]

Bulldoze your idea and sell it to the cartel, no way we doing that.

[@antonytsai6611]

@@Pretparkfanyea how?!?!??

[@maxhagenauer24]

@Pretparkfan It is for me too. Another one is 3 days ago. It seems like this video just came out but I guess time really flies by.

[@Funfair2304]

​@@Pretparkfan Probably channel member with early access

[@plighting_engineerd]

I really hope they can fix the restraints - I've never seen reception for a new coaster as bad as this!

[@drdewott9154]

Honestly I think the train might be the issue, not because of the wheel assembly but the train assembly. The old traditional Schwarzkopf trains had the trailing cars hanging off the car preceeding it. That meant the wheels were spaced far apar and allows the cars to twist greatly without issue. Whereas the frankensteined mindbender trains feature several sets of axles close together. And that means the trains might not be able to take the snappy transitions, especially the sharply curved drops very well. Its not like these transitions are unique to Mindbender, lots of other Schwarzkopfs have them whether it be Olympia Looping, Alpina Bahn, Jetline (rip), and Thriller/Zonga (also rip). Plus Ive heard others mention that it was still smoother while in Mexico than at Indiana Beach. So it cant be the trackprofiling. On Mindbender the trains handling of the transitions may not have been an issue since that ride is larger and as such each element is more drawn out, but Triple loop by comparison is much more compact. So I think it might be putting excessive forces onto some of the wheel bogies, which get yanked into the rest of the vehicles. Might also be why the front seats of each are are smoother, since the rear seats are closer to the wheel bogies. I think there are 3 possible solutions for this. 1. Order new trains with the conventional setup, Gerstlauer would likely be willing to do so. 2. Extend the distance between each car in the train by extending the coupler. That way the wheels are spaced further apart, but it might cause additionals stress on said coupler. 3. Modify the trains restraints, namely the over the shoulder accordion so that the rough moments arent handled as badly.

[@DavidHHH99]

But it was just as bad as Quimera, with different trains. I severely bruised a rib on it.

[@ehayes4000]

I appreciate your honesty. I'm so used to Schwarzkopf's Shockwave being so smooth that yesterday I didn't hold myself tense during the midride section and bumped my head on the left side of the Silver Bullet car. That ride is only rough in one spot, so you forget about it until you hit it. I'll definitely be cautious of All American Triple Loop if I ever go to Indiana Beach.

[@SpezyCoasters]

Fun fact from a native German: dreier looping can also be translated to threesome loop👍

[@Intellectuallychallenged]

A threesome on a loop might be hard to do

[@LorenzoBorromeo-bb8ve]

Ayo?? 💀💀💀

[@SpaceScreaminJohn]

Nice.

[@teddym2808]

Mike of Canobie Coaster gives it a 7 and I seem to have identical taste to him from his other reviews, so will trust that. He says to sit upright with back as straight as possible against seat and push shoulder pads as low as they will go. He didn't give it "only" a 7 because it's rough, he gave it a 7 because the coaster's intensity is way down from what it was previously, so had it been faster and more intense he would have rated it even higher. When it was Quimera in Mexico he rated it a 10. That had lap bar only 4 car trains though. Indiana Beach bought the train from Mindbender Galaxyland. I don't think it's their fault, I think any issues stem from the train in this case. By the way, you guys haven't ridden rough. Seriously you haven't. I've watched all your coaster videos since your channel first started. If you want to know what ROUGH was, try imagine the long gone HERCULES (old woodie) at Dorney Park as one of the roughest coasters in history, or SOB @ King's Island (Hercules was rougher). One of the most painful steel coasters I rode was Desperado in Nevada. In 1998 it wasn't too bad but in 2005 it was a disaster and you had to brace and protect your kidneys and ride very defensively. Magnum XL 200 is very smooth by comparison. Hercules gave me a prolapsed disc and I was bed bound in the hotel for 7 days after. That's what rough is. My friend had a migraine for 4 days and he's never had an issue on any other ride. He was vomiting and was constantly on meds to relieve it. I was rubbing Bengay into my lower back every two hours and taking anti inflammatory drugs and Vicodin the doctor prescribed, and was very lucky it healed quickly so my body never got "used" to the Vicodin, therefore I was instantly able to stop.. Sure, I was just unlucky for my disc to bulge to begin with, but years later I found out I have early degenerating disc disease and need to be very careful what I rode from then on. Point is, I'd have no qualms trying American Triple Loop when I visit IB again next year. :))

[@aleksthevoyager1260]

I actually loved this ride personally. I should add that this was my first Schwarzkopf ride

[@MidcourseDiscourse]

It’s so tough, because it’s a wonderful ride aside from the restraints/two moments of neck smacking. Everyone says that without the shoulder restraints, riders would smack heads with one another, but I don’t think that’s the case. It was a well regarded ride in Mexico, operating only with lap bars.

[@FunTownUS]

i swear when it was in mexico it had something that went over your shoulders. I remember hearing about it on some video on the ride

[@christopherjunkins]

From my limited experience, Mexicans are not as well primed for glass smooth operation of any tracked ride as those from places like the USA.

[@MidcourseDiscourse]

@@FunTownUS quick glancing at a photo of the trains, you’re right. It had some sort of softer shoulder straps, I’m not sure whether plastic or fabric, but they were not bulky or at neck height.

[@rixrobin]

Just watched canobie coasters review and apparently there is a certain way to position the restraints so its not as painful and if done that way its a decent ride. Still want to check the ride out. Indiana beach was the biggest suprise on my road trip last year and one of my favorite parks for its atmosphere so its a shame it did not live up to expectations.

[@maxhagenauer24]

The trauns were uncomfortable on Mindbender and thos ride is more compact, got relocated a bunch, and had an accident. I didn't expect it to be this bad but it makes sense.

[@RayBcv1030]

I have a feeling they'll fix this ride. They just gotta re-track some of the rough points and give the restraints more padding.

[@ThomasBerezowski]

I feel like the old guy who says, " when I was a kid", but here goes it! When I was younger and riding what remained of the golden age of coasters in the seventies and a bit into the eighties, coasters were rough. It was the thrill. You weren't on a kids ride. It was the roller coaster! I get the over shoulder harness thing, but the comment on here about Hercules being the roughest ever makes me realize that through attrition, coaster riders have been spoiled and don't realize the "sport" of riding any more! If it isn't buttery smooth, folks hate it! Times have changed indeed, but a little pain is the medal you earn for going on the big kids rides! Lol. But when I see reviews on rides like thunder hawk at dorney being extremely rough, I think about it before the trim brakes were added. Not hating on anybody, but expectations have really changed!

[@jetzenijeboer4854]

Your comment makes me feel old as well. Because i share a bit of these sentiments. When i was young, most of the bigger rollercoasters in the area where i live (the netherlands) , where vekoma's. I never experienced any aches or pains on those rides. Never. They where a bit shakey sometimes, but not in a very brutal way.

[@chrismdb5686]

Agree with the sentiment here, but keep in mind those rides are now 30-40 years old in some cases and ride rougher now than they did then. If they aren't properly maintained it can become genuinely painful

[@chasingcredits]

I was there the day before you were. Row 2, Car 1. My jaw was sore for a week from banging against those over the shoulder restraints. My son has sworn he will never ride it again. I might try it in the front row, if I make it back to Monticello.

[@CoryDenton-h7h]

Don't ride it again. I was in front row front car and experienced debilitating neck pain. Granted I'm the type that love any and all coasters. I usually like to go around hands up and enjoying the ride. I have never hated a rollercoaster before.

[@OklahomaCoasterFan]

@@CoryDenton-h7h It's so sad that this ride is a failure in its current form. I have been greatly anticipating getting on this ride for 4 years, and now, I have no interest in riding it even once for the credit.

[@Hyperbolic_G]

Glad to see all this. I'll make sure not to take my son on this

[@chasingcredits]

@@Hyperbolic_G The good news is that since my original comment, Indiana Beach made some modifications that should make the ride much less uncomfortable.

[@djblind1401]

I just rode it today 7/4, I rode it one in the front row. I didn’t think it was that rough. However…. The boarding process is HORRIBLE! From the snail slow ops to not being able to choose the row you want. As for the restraints,The stupid drop down harness thing NEEDS to go, that would help improve the ride so much.

[@jimwalls3308]

If Indiana Beach's budget is so tight that they resorted to buying a 40 year old roller coaster that killed 2 people, I doubt they have the money to make the necessary repairs.

[@highoctaneadventure]

Three rides is impressive! :) I lasted two rides and one would have been enough. The super loud lift motor flagged that it would be a unique experience lol.

[@alexv3375]

As someone who missed his chance to ride it when it was still in the UK, I'm genuinely crushed to hear that it came out this badly. Hopefully they can fix it, though!

[@OklahomaCoasterFan]

I have thoroughly enjoyed Indiana Beach both times I've visited, and I was very much hoping that this ride would be a success. It's so sad to see that it hasn't been. I hope it can be made more tolerable. Having ridden Frontier City's Silver Bullet so many times, I can say that there is a violent lateral jolt leading into the loop, but because we only have seatbelts & lap bars, it's no problem at all. Head/neck banging restraints can totally ruin some rides. After the reports of Triple Loop, I honestly don't want to ride it, not even once for the credit. Even hearing the advice of how to ride it, I don't trust that it won't still cause me problems. I was planning to ride it in a couple weeks, but I now probably won't.

[@conorprochaska4728]

oopps should have saved mindbender instead.....

[@ravenwing199]

Yeah well small Problem is. The Mall was built ontop of the Rollercoaster so they couldn't get it out.

[@showbizrailproductions]

Atleast Mindbender, although with a mid reputation, had a smoother and funner ride experience than AATL. I believe people would've loved Mindbender to be salvaged more than whatever that coaster is.

[@doctorcoaster]

Rode this thing the same day and I can say this thing is just BAD. As a physical therapist, this thing is going to seriously hurt someone that doesn’t realize what they’re getting into.

[@CoryDenton-h7h]

Couldn't agree more. I rode this last week and the next day I suffered debilitating pain when raising or turning my head either direction. It needs to be scrapped.

[@TheBatwave]

I rode it as Magnum Force, Quimera and West Edmonton Mindbender. I rode Mindbender over 30 in Edmonton within a 2 day period. Quimera had the five point soft harnesses and lap bars. I literally rode Quimera 20 times in a row. It was really fantastic! That’s very disappointing to hear. But, I trust your judgment on coasters. And I trust your reviews based off your experience. And you reviews on coasters are very spot on. At least I rode it when it was good.

[@Ribbital]

it’s ironic that a coaster named *All American* Triple Loop has had its track be in 3 other countries and its trains come from Canada.

[@aggiesjc]

Great observation, but actually four other countries! Germany, Malaysia, UK and Mexico, plus the trains from Canada.

[@RealJustinCrow]

I obviously missed something over the last few years, why wasn't taking Mine bender as a whole not an option? Buggered Mexican track with Canadian trains, why not just take the whole Canadian?

[@iceblade019]

Mindbender was built into the structure of the building

[@CarolinaCycloneJames]

Im not surprised its rough. Its been relocated so many times. That takes a toll on the track. Its been over ran and over sped by the previous owners who also did little to no maintenance on it. Im all for not getting rid of historic or old coasters. But i believe its time for triple loop to be scrapped. Unfortunately it just wasnt taken care of in tbe past well enough for it to be refurbished properly. Especially not from a park that can afford such an expensive overhaul it needs

[@RedPilledDan]

I’m imagining that one super rough, jack hammering, super jarring dive turn on Riddler Mindbender at SFOG except for an entire ride. Yikes.

[@OklahomaCoasterFan]

At least Mindbender has only seatbelts & lap bars, so that jackhammering moment doesn't cause any neck or head banging. But yeah, it does sound like Triple Loop has several of those moments, plus bad restraints.

[@ItsDannyRobbins]

Omfg this ride is ANCIENT, why would anyone expect modern shaping and profiling and gentle forces? It is an 84 Schwarzkopf that was poorly maintained by a park for years, and a fresh coat of paint isn't going to erase the wear from its decades of operation. It was ALWAYS a forceful ride, but lawd have realistic expectations.

[@k9feces]

Yeah “new coaster” should never be said.

[@highoctaneadventure]

@@k9fecesCoasters just as old are no where near as rough as this. This just wasn’t well taken care of.

[@eriknelsen5954]

There are plenty of much older rollercoasters that run reasonably smooth like literally any other Schwarzkopf. IB even has another Schwarzkopf that extremely smooth at the same park.

[@k9feces]

@@eriknelsen5954 yeah but this one isn’t, it’s been moved around for a reason.

[@staringcorgi6475]

The American revolution at magic mountain is smoother

[@assemblyrequired7342]

Sounds like you earned your paycheck this session! Thanks for serving as test subjects, so we know to prioritize our (in my case-extremely limited) disposable income elsewhere! At the very least, the Triple Loop isn't beyond redemption, and I hope that Indiana Beach puts in the proper TLC. And if any coaster would ever benefit from shoulder straps over those huge chunks of plastic that they expect riders to wear over their shoulders, the Triple Loop would be it. It would be a pity if it doesn't receive the treatment it needs to live up to its full potential, especially now that Mindbender has since been now Mind-endered.

[@djavatar68]

Remove those terrible hard accordion restraints and it should be fine. The ride was not meant to have them. I think the Mindbender trains were a quick solution to the problem. I am still upset Mindbender was not saved.

[@showbizrailproductions]

Honestly, they should've saved Mindbender than whatever it was called in MC. Atleast Mindbender actually remodeled their trains after the accident...

[@0-Pixle-0]

this would be a perfect ride for a coaster parody

[@FlashFoxBox]

This is (was) a traveling coaster. The sections are bolted together and not welded. of course its rough as an SLC. Even while it was traveling during the Barth era, it was kinda rough. For example: Nessi in Hansa-Park germany is smooth as butter compared to Schwur des Kärnan. And Nessi is older then myself. Maybe you could RMC this thing xDD If you convince them to do vertical loopings.

[@xb14d3x]

3 vs 5 cars per train, which Magnum Force and Quimera had. If I had to guess I think this additional weight caused Quimera to be faster in general and more positive g's around the drops? 🤷‍♂

[@patrickstrahm05]

Still want the credit though, but im not really itching to get back to Indiana Beach. But ive had a season pass the last four years and I'm in no rush. The park has had problems getting this coster open the last 3 years.

[@Jason_Maier]

To be fair, the ride is 40 years old: Started out on the German Fair Circuit (84-96), then moved to Sunway Lagoon in Malaysia (97-99), Flamingo Land in England (00-05), La Fiera Chapultepec de Magico in Mexico City (07-19), than sat idle for nearly 5 years. All those times being taken apart/put back together/being transported take a toll on the track. Plus it's using the old trains from Galaxyland's Mindbender. edit: I just like the shot at 0:30 showing houses in the background

[@coasterfreakrob]

Indiana Beach is a bucket list park for me. I really hope to get there one day. I was excited that they were putting in a Schwarzkopf coaster. However, I didn't realize it had the accordion restraints. I have only one experience with those and it was on Astroworld's Texas Tornado (currently completely defunct, I think, after being moved around a couple of times after Astroworld's closure). I rode it twice and both times those accordion restraints snapped further down due to the extreme positive G's in the first two loops and I spent the rest of the ride compressed into a very uncomfortable position with the restraints biting into my shoulders. The second time I was even riding defensively trying to prevent it from happening and it still happened, then we spent 20 minutes on the brake run in 100+ degree temps with Houston's humidity waiting for something that was going on with the train in the station. It was agonizing and I almost passed out from the heat and pain. I vowed to never ride a coaster with those restraints again, and if I ever do make it to Indiana Beach, All American Triple Loop will be a hard pass for me unless they've removed those accordion OTSRs.

[@alphawinnergx9127]

Has anyone ridden both Triple Loop and King ? King is a portable Soquet coaster that travels on the french fair circuit. They both have similar layouts, the worst part being that King doesn't even have loops. However, they share the same problem, OTS restraints on a track full of bad profiling and transitions, resulting in serious headbanging. I've only ridden King, and I really hated it despite its potential.

[@LLLLLLLLLucas]

Too many have died on old schwatzkopf coasters for me to ever ride one.

[@el.cecilio]

Both times I rode it back in La Feria in Mexico City it was pretty rough but tbh it was very enjoyable and SUPER intense, even though they didn't give the ride the mantainance it needed...

[@Happymali10]

Would be cool to hear your opinion on "Nessie Superrollercoaster" at Germany's Hansa Park. It's a 1980 custom Schwarzkopf Looper that was Germany's first stationary coaster with a vertical loop. They recently refurbished it and gave it a new station, but the trains and track are original.

[@michaelwebb3827]

The restraint thing is not one that is very easily fixed though; if the riders have too much lateral movement, then no OTSR means that they could potentially be bashing into each other. In Mexico the laterals were brutal, but the vest harnesses (think High School backpack straps) made it at least comfortable to ride, even though it was running much faster than it was designed for. Trying to replicate those may be the best option if they want to try and improve rider comfort, because just eliminating them when they are dealing with sudden lateral jukes is not a recipe for good results. Those throwing shade on the trains; the Mindbender trains are all front cars, which means they have extra safety during laterals. Lateral failures (back car derailment) is what caused the deaths on both Mindbender and this ride when it was in Mexico, and in Mexico, the way the ride was run (way too fast for the design; zero brakes) was very likely the cause of failure. These trains should be safe for the track, it's just making them comfortable for the riders.

[@DavidHHH99]

I normally get angry about videos like this making coasters look bad, but in this case I can't. I was hurt on this thing back in 2017, when it was Quimera. On one of the last of those infamous turns, i got slammed so hard to the side that it severely bruised one of my ribs and I was in massive pain for days afterwards. It was in the back row, which is usually where I ride on Schwartzkopfs. Luckily, I didn't break anything, and luckily, it was the last day of my trip, but it was awful. And, to be clear, I'm a VERY experienced coaster enthusiast, who has ridden over 110 coasters. But nothing on the planet I've ridden was THIS rough.

[@chongarcia977]

It looks good when you see it. I rode it (same model)@ Six Flags Astroworld in Houston Tx..There called Taz tx tornado.I rode it in my early 20s and it beat me up..Man as I was walking across the street from my motel it looked amazing but it was a one timer. .

[@karahb9705]

My daughters went to Indiana Beach last week and they were so excited to ride this. They hated it and said it was really painful. None of them want to go on it again when they go back this weekend.

[@AlexAfferMetallica]

Rode it the second week it was open, only got 1 ride on Saturday before it broke down for the rest of the weekend. My jaw was hurting when I walked off, such a painful experience. Hope they can do something to make it run better because its an awesome coaster, just runs extremely rough

[@aleksthevoyager1260]

I want to say also they’ve kept this ride closed longer in the mornings and have been doing a LOT of work on the supports. There’s cranes and welders there all of the time

[@Kumba830]

Any idea what they are specifically working on with the supports?

[@CoryDenton-h7h]

This video is amazing and wonderful but this coaster deserves a 0. I rode this coaster a week ago in the front car front row and the next day I suffered debilitating neck pain. It hurt to raise or rotate my head. I was literally stuck laying down flat and wished I had a brace that would prevent my neck from moving. People said I was getting older but something about it seemed off and dangerous. Then I found this article. It's a major rider beware moment because I have never hated a rollercoaster before. I thought this is ride will cause injuries and lawsuits before I watched this now that I have it seems credible.

[@IntaminFanGRLPowerCoasters]

You should make an enthusiasts survival guide on this!!

[@YPOC]

Why is it called "All American" when it is a German engineered, German manufactured coaster that previously stood in Europe, Asia and Mexico? Also that rollback on the lift is wild !!! Also why does the train consist of 3 front cars?

[@MidwestBoom]

It's just a rethemeing it doesn't really mean anything.

[@CoasterStudios]

Lol the irony

[@ravenwing199]

Themeing

[@arvia1984]

It's Indiana -- they are in constant competition with the other heartland states to show how patriotic they are.

[@JT_Toons]

​@arvia1984 indiana should accept its a fly overstate

[@myles8328]

Was the previous derailment caused by anything similar to that on Mindbender many years ago?

[@robfassi3297]

Yes very similar incident

[@TheSultryBadger]

Rode this several times when it was at Flamingo Land in the UK and really quite enjoyed it.

[@_pic0_301]

What would you re-ride, All American Triple Loop, Bandit or Goudurix

[@blksoul26]

I laughed so loud at the rain rollback. 😳 that was hilarious

[@YYYValentine]

No antirollback? How is this even allowed? :o

[@staringcorgi6475]

In the uk back in the day there was a horrible accident that killed people because of no anti rollbacks

[@ehayes4000]

@@staringcorgi6475 That's horrible. Unfortunately even with anti-rollbacks there was still an accident on the Wildcat coaster in Tulsa, OK because the park maintenance had not been properly trained and used an inferior plastic to repair the latch system under the cars. One person died, but it was also because the operator released the second car before the first one was over the lift hill, so the cars collided. Because of this, my family was so scared that I was 14 before I ever rode a "real" rollercoaster. With only having one train, this "new" rollercoaster should be safe from that, though.

[@usermarkeess]

Just got back from Indiana beach today, triple loop wasn’t even running all day, and now after watching this I for 1 can see probably why and 2 am happy I didn’t have to experience this lol

[@crazycreeper399]

It needs new trains. Brand new trains

[@jonny-b4954]

Honestly, I think it needs those 2 track sections reworked before. The trains could be tolerable, if it didn't have those jolts in the profiling

[@crazycreeper399]

@@jonny-b4954 I think that new trains with vests would help a lot

[@crazycreeper399]

And probably be more lighter than the old ones. And have more riders per train

[@jonny-b4954]

@@crazycreeper399 Yeah, but regardless those bumps in the profiling are undoubtedly going to cause whiplash eventually with some unknowing guest. Vest or not. It definitely needs new trains, which would give better capacity due to less loading time. But still, your main issue is head banging due to rough track profiling. It's also probably hella cheaper. $25-50k per piece of track, same amount for installation etc. Instead of $500k for a new train. Or more, due to being a custom job.

[@crazycreeper399]

@@jonny-b4954 yea but still it would help make it somewhat more comfortable for riders

[@markcoaster121]

A travelling one (with five loops) comes to London Winter Wonderland most years and I thought that one was really smooth

[@austintayloradt]

I went to Indiana Beach for the first time last year, hoping that Triple Loop would be open. Now I don't mind as much that I missed it; still need to get back there someday to ride Lost Coaster though...I hope they can do something to fix Triple Loop and still get some good out of the investment, too bad to see this happen.

[@Themeparks_acrosstheworld]

I might be going to this park on a USA road trip next year and after hearing reviews im not sure im gonna enjoy it

[@MidwestBoom]

This park is awesome. If you keep your expectation low and are looking for an old school. Throwback how parks used to be. Just don't expect any great coaster that are gonna knock your socks off. Even though coaster of lost superstition is amazing And Corn ball Express is good.

[@Leblribrbrrq]

I was wondering about the rollback protection …

[@Zachinthus09]

I grew up an hour from Indiana Beach. I'm glad it reopened and wish it success. But, I've only been there once. Because it's that bad. The response of this coaster isn't surprising.

[@ryanleeuwis1602]

Sp funny that both coasters from mexico (this one and the wild mouse) have a lot of problems. The wild mous is now located in the nerherlands and had a 2 years delayed opening.

[@anoncloset8068]

I went yesterday and it was so painful. Literally hitting my neck and head the whole time. Don't even remember most of the ride and it broke both of my earrings off.

[@danigwiz]

There is a reason this killer coaster has been in and out of so many parks throughout its lifetime. It has not been well liked. I think Indiana Beach made a very poor purchasing decision with this coaster, especially considering it has such a dark history.

[@TheCoasterSerpent]

My gosh, they absolutely need to order new trains. The ones that B&M made for SFOG's schwartzkopf will do. They can make them the proper length too. The worst ride I have ever rode hands down.

[@billchief397]

The gong coaster!....wheee gong gong gong...ouch!!! And put a photo of chuck barris smiling lol

[@Eternyl_bliss-nj9se]

I just came back from Indiana Beach and rode this 8 times. Seems to vary per ride - front seat seemed to be better but I think the restraint height could be at fault. If they made it 50% softer it would help. The very back seat was brutal! The ride is super intense - that first drop is crazy. Seems like some of the track the train is making a lot of racket - like its fighting the track is that normal? You can sit whereever you like just tell them you want to wait for 1st seat although station is an odd design like its not big enough to queue in line. I did like the intensity of it just hope they can make it smoother. Odd they designed it so you can't raise your arms. If you are claustaphobic this isn't your ride... once in you are trapped inside. I think different custom cars may be the answer also. The guy in blue shirt and glasses was funny though wish other ride operaters were like that. (if he is reading this I was the one that told you they missed out on caling it 'Death Trap' due to the history) :)

[@busfan9874]

1:19 so that's the magnum force coaster you were talking about in the red force parody

[@ThatLexPlays]

I'm surprised that one of the major manufacturers haven't taken over the Schwarzkopf coasters to make the experience more modern. I feel like there's a way to maintain the legacy of these coasters while making them modern and smoother.

[@CoasterStudios]

Gerstlauer’s facilities are located IN the old Schwarzkopf building. They do a lot of maintenance and part replacement for those old rides.

[@TheMasterCook0000]

man i thought this would be better i might wanna go next year

[@AG7-MTM]

Seems like the only good thing about this ride is the sound the drive tires make. Still not as good as what Revolution at bobbejaanland used to sound like, but close enough

[@SolBarrass]

I rode it in the early 2000s at flamingo land as Magnum Force it was alright but at the time they had that they had a Schwarzkopf launch one. I didn’t ride magnum that much but it was alright for what it was. It was easy to tell it’s meant to travel than be a permanent coaster. It used to be a white and red and because of weather here in it always looked dirty. But for the time being simpler back then it was a good coaster probably won’t be that good now but when I was younger it was great.

[@coasterkramer]

Those trains remind me of old viper, trains, great adventure by Togo they were the worst train ever

[@PolarPinup]

I love coasters, particularly older examples and am typically absolutely down for rougher ride experiences, but this is where I draw the line. Someone is going to get seriously hurt (again) on this thing.

[@GoudLoodje]

They have since fixed the restraints, it’s now just a lap bar and a seatbelt

[@bohottie]

They just have to get rid of the garbage restraints, and it would be so much better.

[@DrMemory667]

Rode it once. They should put all of the park management on it and make them ride for 30 minutes.

[@planetcoasterboycj7274]

Imagine the potential this coaster would have if RMC got their hands on it. First ever RMC Conversion of a Steel Coaster. Twisted Triple Loop??

[@DolleyGzzz_09]

Wow I’ve never heard of a coaster where you want to be stapled

[@martinbaumann6650]

It's a shame to see this iconic Coaster in that way. I first was on it about 1990 on a Bavarian fairground. The original trains were equipped with lap-bars only. The first drop was a little bit rude😊, but it was a real Schwarzkopf Rollercoaster, smooth, thrilling and a joy to ride on.

[@urbex_coasters]

I actually have heard some positive reviews of this thing (notably, from Canobie Coaster). Even people who like it say the restraints suck, which was exactly how I felt about Mindbender when I rode it back in 2014. The difference is: with Tripple Loop they don't need to be there. With Mindbender they did (and it was Galexyland's fault-it relates to the clearance between the mirror circle and the helix). Those are there for a visual element on a different coaster, get rid of the accordians. They also make the ride have a very tall height requirement and also not very accomodating to big adults (I remember seeing a man get turned away at Mindbender for being too tall, only time I've seen that on a thrill coaster).

[@steveg5122]

I would put a lot of this up to Teething Issues, the ride probably needed more shakedown time, to see what needed to be done. 2024 it will operate as a rough ride, it could have ran better when testing in cold weather in late 2023/early 2024, heat expansion of the track in the spring/summer making the early tests worthless. Ride is Safe but rough. hopefully 24/25 off season brings a repair team to it, to replace parts that are out of spec. From your experience it sounds like it is a ride that is out of spec. Due to the lack of maintence and repairs in mexico, and being nearly 40 years old at this point, i could see it just being worn out in ways not seen during testing due to the aforementoned temperatures.

[@peterhelmer6252]

They should hire Rmc to redo Hoosier Huricane and fix Triple loop as a package deal!

[@JohnDoe-wb7fc]

rmcing the hoosier hurricane would be bad. it's entirely flat track and long sections. it'd be hard to do something cool with that ride.

[@titaniabell8682]

Get rid of the shoulder restraints since it causes head banging side to side which can cause severe headaches and trauma. Now if people are complaining about their backs hurting while riding then it’s definitely the track itself. Experienced such a thing when riding Son of Beast when it was still at Kings Island. Sadly that coaster got demolished for too many injuries. So yeah head banging remove the shoulder restraints, back issue replace the track.